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The estimates are that solar panels will add $100K to the cost of a new home, in order to save $65K over an extremely long number of years.
This kind of math is why government is basically insolvent.
It's $25k to $30k, not $100k
As if that is a reliable estimate. CA is notorious for way underestimating costs and overestimating benefits.
In realityland, complying with their poorly thought out regs costs way more than the estimates they shill through the press.
Do you have evidence that it's not reliable?
- The bullet train to nowhere - over budget
- The bay bridge - over budget
- State pension system - grossly underfunded due to unrealistic estimates of fund performance
And we're supposed to believe these people when they provide a low-balled # to justify a mandate.
The fact is that the payback on Solar even with subsidies takes yearss. Take way the rebate, add the mandated costs plus the uplift that mandated programs ALWAYS entail, and factor in the declining benefits of selling solar back to the grid due to oversupply and the result is:
More expensive housing and continuing affordable housing shortages while solar company cronies and investors profit (and donate to politicians).
The estimates are that solar panels will add $100K to the cost of a new home, in order to save $65K over an extremely long number of years.
This kind of math is why government is basically insolvent.
It's $25k to $30k, not $100k
As if that is a reliable estimate. CA is notorious for way underestimating costs and overestimating benefits.
In realityland, complying with their poorly thought out regs costs way more than the estimates they shill through the press.
Do you have evidence that it's not reliable?
- The bullet train to nowhere - over budget
- The bay bridge - over budget
- State pension system - grossly underfunded due to unrealistic estimates of fund performance
And we're supposed to believe these people when they provide a low-balled # to justify a mandate.
The fact is that the payback on Solar even with subsidies takes yearss. Take way the rebate, add the mandated costs plus the uplift that mandated programs ALWAYS entail, and factor in the declining benefits of selling solar back to the grid due to oversupply and the result is:
More expensive housing and continuing affordable housing shortages while solar company cronies and investors profit (and donate to politicians).
So, in other words, no, you have no evidence. None of those other things have anything to do with this. The estimate in the article is $25k to $30k. That's bad enough to be against it. You don't have to go about making wildly exaggerated claims based on bias you can't back up.
depends on how much power you use.............To go off the grid is very expensive.............KWH is all that matters.............efficiency and how many hours of sunlight.......They are still very expensive to install................And it is ORDERED..................which is ridiculous.The estimates are that solar panels will add $100K to the cost of a new home, in order to save $65K over an extremely long number of years.
This kind of math is why government is basically insolvent.
It's $25k to $30k, not $100k
As if that is a reliable estimate. CA is notorious for way underestimating costs and overestimating benefits.
In realityland, complying with their poorly thought out regs costs way more than the estimates they shill through the press.
Do you have evidence that it's not reliable?
- The bullet train to nowhere - over budget
- The bay bridge - over budget
- State pension system - grossly underfunded due to unrealistic estimates of fund performance
And we're supposed to believe these people when they provide a low-balled # to justify a mandate.
The fact is that the payback on Solar even with subsidies takes yearss. Take way the rebate, add the mandated costs plus the uplift that mandated programs ALWAYS entail, and factor in the declining benefits of selling solar back to the grid due to oversupply and the result is:
More expensive housing and continuing affordable housing shortages while solar company cronies and investors profit (and donate to politicians).
So, in other words, no, you have no evidence. None of those other things have anything to do with this. The estimate in the article is $25k to $30k. That's bad enough to be against it. You don't have to go about making wildly exaggerated claims based on bias you can't back up. It makes people think you're a crank and they'll blow you off instead of listening.
Typical Liberal, with the unflappable belief that Government knows better.They are also being forced to not have wood shake roofs....the horror!So new houses built are required to have solar power panels installed ? Tell me how that is not forcing people to buy a product.?Unconstitutional. Government can not for citizen's to buy a product.
No one is forcing anyone to buy a house with solar panels on it.
This is for new buildings not existing. So if you don't want to buy a house with solar panels on it, you don't have to.
Meanwhile there are zoning and building codes that all new houses must meet. Solar panels are just one of them.
I guess you would have rejected laws that put inside plumbing in all homes in America and wanted to keep that outhouse with all that bacteria and disease growing in it. And I guess you would have rejected the electrification of America too. It looks like you're happy to use lamps with oil that have that pesky problem of causing homes to burn to the ground. And I guess you don't want electric sockets that trip so that you don't have an electrical fire burning your house down. And I guess you would prefer to chop your wood to burn in a stove for heat and to cook. Who needs those pesky laws that require you to have electricity. Do you still ride a horse or use a horse and buggy for your transportation needs?
The good news is that people who think the way you do are dying off and will be few and far between. Just like those who fought the conversion to electricity and inside plumbing.
I believe people should be able to do whatever the fuck they want to do as long as it does not affect the rights of others. By the way putting solar panels on homes isn't saving anyone from anything.
The fact that government has constrained our choices in the past doesn't justify continuing to do it.No more free choice. They decide, you kneel.
Fortune: California to Require Solar Panels for All New Homes
I can't applaud them more for that.
I've believed that all new houses should be made with solar panels in them for decades.
No it shouldn't be a choice anymore.
We don't have a choice about a lot of things when It comes to houses. There are housing codes and zoning laws that we all must comply with. Everyone's newly built house has to pass inspection. That means the house is required to have electricity, running water, sewage and heat just to name a few. I'm sure that people in the 1930s in rural places didn't think they needed inside pumping, a very unhealthy outhouse growing diseases was just fine with them. Same with the rural electrification project in the 1930s. I'm sure those rural areas didn't think they needed electricity, burning down their home from using lamp oil was just a small price to pay for not letting those big government fools in DC telling them what to do.
Requiring all new houses be built with solar panels is just another one. One that benefits everyone and only adds at the most 10 thousand dollars to the cost of the house. A house that sells for hundreds of thousands of dollars so 10 grand isn't even a drop in the bucket to the cost of building it.
More states should follow California's lead.
bullshit.No more free choice. They decide, you kneel.
Fortune: California to Require Solar Panels for All New Homes
It will save money for every new home buyer.
One more reason government sucks.Governments can and certainly do make it's citizens buy things they don't want.I can't applaud them more for that.
I've believed that all new houses should be made with solar panels in them for decades.
No it shouldn't be a choice anymore.
We don't have a choice about a lot of things when It comes to houses. There are housing codes and zoning laws that we all must comply with.
So what if they created a law that says all new homes must come with a built-in gun safe, or perhaps an indoor swimming pool, or maybe a 120 inch big screen?
T'here is a difference when government makes regulation for safety and government makes regulation for pet projects; especially when such regulations will cost you thousands and thousands of dollars.
It's true Ca. leads in a lot of environmental improvements. They've done so for decades, and a lot of it's good. That's from someone who cannot stand the State.
bullshit.No more free choice. They decide, you kneel.
Fortune: California to Require Solar Panels for All New Homes
It will save money for every new home buyer.
No sir, it's a tax cut - straight up deductions from my tax liability.
I'm just keeping more of my money in my pocket, so I could spend it into economy, right?
So solar panel company A gets 28K for instilling your system. You pay $6,200 of that cost. How does Solar panel company A get the rest of that money from your deductions?
It just doesn't make sense. A tax cut means you pay less in taxes. It does not mean that you pay less for something and government pays it for you.
Pretty simple - Company gets money from me, I pay less to governmet in taxes (get a tax-cut).
It's exactly how righties describe it - "more of my money in my pocket to spend into economy"..only even better since I do in fact spend 100% of it into economy before even getting the tax-cut.
Economic stimulus multipliers off the charts
No, that would only be true if you actually paid for the entire system and wrote it off, but by your earlier claim, you paid just a little over 6K and the 22K got paid by the government. That's not a tax cut.
No that is NOT what I said. I said my cost is 6k.
I paid the 29k up front, but will recoup most back in tax-cuts.
Now it sounds like you're changing the story. So you wrote a check for 29K, and are going to write if off?
In retirement occasional teach a college course in Environmental Science.
One of the class exercises is to determine if solar panels are economically feasible.
I have the class bring in their electric bill to figure out their cost of fossil fuel generated electricity.
I then have them research the complete cost of solar panel installation and maintenance. We look at all the cost including deterioration replacement.
We then so the economic analysis over a 30 year period.
It never pays for itself. Not by a long shot. That doesn't even include the hidden cost of government subsidies.
Solar panels are a joke. Nothing more than Moon Bat feel good bullshit. No connection to reality.
Only a stupid Commie state like Kalifornia would put in a $40K additional cost to a new home with no chance of ever recouping the cost.
Environmental wackos are morons.
And the batteries need to be replaced. Depending on the battery it can be anywhere between 5 and 15 years. Solar batteries range from $5,000 to $7,000+ and from $400 dollars per kilowatt hour (kWh) to $750/kWh. These prices are only for the battery itself, not for the cost of installation or additional necessary equipment...
No more free choice. They decide, you kneel.
Fortune: California to Require Solar Panels for All New Homes
Trying to maintain the meaning of words and terms seems to be hopeless. Too many people want to condemn anything they don't like to whatever category they deem to be bad. Good luck in correcting the situation. In a modest way, I attempt this as well, but it falls on deaf ears.No more free choice. They decide, you kneel.
Fortune: California to Require Solar Panels for All New Homes
Passing a law that compels a private for profit company to install solar panels in new houses isn't communism.
California isn't a communistic state.
Communism is a system where there is no private ownership of business. The government owns everything.
Passing zoning and building laws isn't communism.
Seriously, using that word improperly removes and demises it's real meaning.
Just because you don't agree with the law doesn't mean it's communism.
That's one of our problems. People say what they disagree with is communism when it's really not.
North Korea is a communist state. Not California.
No one is stopping you from buying them, douchebag.Solar Panels add value to a home....much like it does keeping the wheels on your domicile sitting in your Alabama Trailer Park and out of a pawnshop.
Thanks for playing though.
Communism is a system where there is no private ownership of business. The government owns everything.
Passing zoning and building laws isn't communism.
Seriously, using that word improperly removes and demises it's real meaning.
North Korea is a communist state. Not California.
