Communist California to require Solar Panels on all new homes

[Toddsterpatriot]

The American Republican party is the only political party in the world that denies the reality of climate change.

Your belief is the outlier. Not mine.

Most of the rest of the world also willingly, or unwillingly gave up their legally owned guns, and embraced Socialism. Most Americans, especially Republicans aren't sheep like much of the world. The reasons we are Americans. We're different, and don't go along with every government power, and money grab.

A nonsensical response. More like your party tends to attract those who either have a financial stake in fossil fuels or are simply not smart enough to grasp the actual science.

your party tends to attract those who either have a financial stake in fossil fuels

Cheap, energy dense, convenient.
The entire country has a financial stake in fossil fuels.

Investments, dope.

Savings, moron.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

NOPE, that's false.

SS is operationally VERY efficient with overhead at just 0.7% compared to about 8-10% if you look at any private insurance system.

SS trust fund balance is positive, which means public has paid more into the system than was paid out of it. And the reason why if nothing is done it will turn negative has nothing to do with inefficiency it has to do with there being more retired people that need to be covered.

that would be true if the dems in congress had not merged SS funds with the general fund under LBJ. Now, those working pay for those who are retired. There is no "fund" that was made up from our SS (FICA) deductions.

As far as budget effects it doesn't matter who merged with what. What matters is how much was paid into the program and how much was paid out.

you just don't get it. SS was set up as a forced retirement fund for American workers. What we paid in was supposed to be put away for our retirement years. Currently there is zero in the SS fund and those working are paying those who are retired. The democrats under LBJ changed it and merged the SS fund with the general fund and then spent it. The classic Ponzi scheme.

Currently there is zero in the SS fund and those working are paying those who are retired.

Currently there is about $2.8 trillion in the SS Trust Fund.

$2.8 trillion of worthless I.O.U.s

Worthless? Like US Treasuries?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

When it comes to climate change the overwhelming belief is that it is real. Do you really not know this?

Nobody questions that the climate changes. We have had ice ages, and tropical periods. The question is whether Man is affecting climate, and if there is any man made "fix". All the solutions are more taxes, and fees on energy, and anything that uses energy. It is a government money grab.

The most compelling evidence that climate change we see happening is not natural is the time factor of change and the concurrence of different scientific disciplines.

Natural global changes in climate takes time and lots of it. This's why the changes we are seeing today are so disturbing. The polar ice caps have melted faster in last 20 years than in the last 10,000 years. CO2 levels have been relatively constant for millions of years until the 20th century. In less than a century they have risen to the highest level in 15 million years. Ocean temperatures are rising faster than anytime in last 10,000 years. Changes occurring this fast are not natural and point strongly to human activity.

Discoveries by biologists, paleontologists, geologists, and oceanologists, have confirmed the work of climatologist. When we see evidence of global warming we should have confirmation which is exactly what the science community has given us.

The polar ice caps have melted faster in last 20 years than in the last 10,000 years.

Prove it.

Show how fast they melted in each of the previous 20 year periods.

 

[Flopper]

You mean you don't want to pay for the rivers and streams to not be polluted?

I said a nonproblem, like so-called global warming.

Oh, I see. I really need to remind myself that you guys have a difficult time paying attention to the effects of climate change. What with your head stuck up your butts and all. Humidity OK?

The claim that humans are causing the climate to change is a hoax. That's what idiots like you have a difficult time paying attention to. What with your head stuck up your butts and all.

Another Rush Limbaugh ignoramus. He has proved that 98% of climatologists are lying hoaxers because 2 moron professors at an an obscure UK College discussed fudging numbers on some dumb experiment they screwed up... LOL!

The AGW cult members prove themselves wrong. They've been caught fudging the data countless times, and all their predictions turn out to be wrong.

Wow? over 95% of all scientists are cult members

 

[bripat9643]

that would be true if the dems in congress had not merged SS funds with the general fund under LBJ. Now, those working pay for those who are retired. There is no "fund" that was made up from our SS (FICA) deductions.

As far as budget effects it doesn't matter who merged with what. What matters is how much was paid into the program and how much was paid out.

you just don't get it. SS was set up as a forced retirement fund for American workers. What we paid in was supposed to be put away for our retirement years. Currently there is zero in the SS fund and those working are paying those who are retired. The democrats under LBJ changed it and merged the SS fund with the general fund and then spent it. The classic Ponzi scheme.

Currently there is zero in the SS fund and those working are paying those who are retired.

Currently there is about $2.8 trillion in the SS Trust Fund.

$2.8 trillion of worthless I.O.U.s

Worthless? Like US Treasuries?

U.S. treasuries are an obligation to the taxpayer, and so are the I.O.U.s in the socalled SS trust fund.

 

[bripat9643]

I said a nonproblem, like so-called global warming.

Oh, I see. I really need to remind myself that you guys have a difficult time paying attention to the effects of climate change. What with your head stuck up your butts and all. Humidity OK?

The claim that humans are causing the climate to change is a hoax. That's what idiots like you have a difficult time paying attention to. What with your head stuck up your butts and all.

Another Rush Limbaugh ignoramus. He has proved that 98% of climatologists are lying hoaxers because 2 moron professors at an an obscure UK College discussed fudging numbers on some dumb experiment they screwed up... LOL!

The AGW cult members prove themselves wrong. They've been caught fudging the data countless times, and all their predictions turn out to be wrong.

Wow? over 95% of all scientists are cult members

No, they are gravy sucking pigs feeding at the government trough.

 

[HappyJoy]

Oh, I see. I really need to remind myself that you guys have a difficult time paying attention to the effects of climate change. What with your head stuck up your butts and all. Humidity OK?

The claim that humans are causing the climate to change is a hoax. That's what idiots like you have a difficult time paying attention to. What with your head stuck up your butts and all.

Another Rush Limbaugh ignoramus. He has proved that 98% of climatologists are lying hoaxers because 2 moron professors at an an obscure UK College discussed fudging numbers on some dumb experiment they screwed up... LOL!

The AGW cult members prove themselves wrong. They've been caught fudging the data countless times, and all their predictions turn out to be wrong.

Wow? over 95% of all scientists are cult members

No, they are gravy sucking pigs feeding at the government trough.

No, that's Scott Pruitt and his security detail.

 

[Pilot1]

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They were forced several times to buy higher cost construction to lessen damage due to earthquakes which was a lot more expense, had no estimated payback, and was met with more opposition than adding solar panels.

That is a SAFETY issue, in which most building codes are based. Solar panels don't make you more safe. Also watch, the utilities have already raised rates on solar panel users, and they will continue to go up, and up until there is no real cost benefit to having them.

 

[Flopper]

When it comes to climate change the overwhelming belief is that it is real. Do you really not know this?

Nobody questions that the climate changes. We have had ice ages, and tropical periods. The question is whether Man is affecting climate, and if there is any man made "fix". All the solutions are more taxes, and fees on energy, and anything that uses energy. It is a government money grab.

The most compelling evidence that climate change we see happening is not natural is the time factor of change and the concurrence of different scientific disciplines.

Natural global changes in climate takes time and lots of it. This's why the changes we are seeing today are so disturbing. The polar ice caps have melted faster in last 20 years than in the last 10,000 years. CO2 levels have been relatively constant for millions of years until the 20th century. In less than a century they have risen to the highest level in 15 million years. Ocean temperatures are rising faster than anytime in last 10,000 years. Changes occurring this fast are not natural and point strongly to human activity.

Discoveries by biologists, paleontologists, geologists, and oceanologists, have confirmed the work of climatologist. When we see evidence of global warming we should have confirmation which is exactly what the science community has given us.

The polar ice caps have melted faster in last 20 years than in the last 10,000 years.

Prove it.

Show how fast they melted in each of the previous 20 year periods.

Polar ice sheets melting faster than ever | DW | 04.02.2013
Warming Seas, Melting Ice Sheets

 

[HappyJoy]

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They were forced several times to buy higher cost construction to lessen damage due to earthquakes which was a lot more expense, had no estimated payback, and was met with more opposition than adding solar panels.

That is a SAFETY issue, in which most building codes are based. Solar panels don't make you more safe. Also watch, the utilities have already raised rates on solar panel users, and they will continue to go up, and up until there is no real cost benefit to having them.

I doubt that as rates were not raised, in several locales a service charge was added because solar panel users don't generate the income to help maintain the power grid so the compromise was a modest small monthly fee. If the utility companies attempt to gouge those with solar panels then regulatory agencies most likely will jump in as any fees have to be approved by them.

As the cost of electricity goes up, free will still be free for those with solar.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

As far as budget effects it doesn't matter who merged with what. What matters is how much was paid into the program and how much was paid out.

you just don't get it. SS was set up as a forced retirement fund for American workers. What we paid in was supposed to be put away for our retirement years. Currently there is zero in the SS fund and those working are paying those who are retired. The democrats under LBJ changed it and merged the SS fund with the general fund and then spent it. The classic Ponzi scheme.

Currently there is zero in the SS fund and those working are paying those who are retired.

Currently there is about $2.8 trillion in the SS Trust Fund.

$2.8 trillion of worthless I.O.U.s

Worthless? Like US Treasuries?

U.S. treasuries are an obligation to the taxpayer, and so are the I.O.U.s in the socalled SS trust fund.

We agree. Rock solid securities. The opposite of worthless.

 

[HappyJoy]

When it comes to climate change the overwhelming belief is that it is real. Do you really not know this?

Nobody questions that the climate changes. We have had ice ages, and tropical periods. The question is whether Man is affecting climate, and if there is any man made "fix". All the solutions are more taxes, and fees on energy, and anything that uses energy. It is a government money grab.

The most compelling evidence that climate change we see happening is not natural is the time factor of change and the concurrence of different scientific disciplines.

Natural global changes in climate takes time and lots of it. This's why the changes we are seeing today are so disturbing. The polar ice caps have melted faster in last 20 years than in the last 10,000 years. CO2 levels have been relatively constant for millions of years until the 20th century. In less than a century they have risen to the highest level in 15 million years. Ocean temperatures are rising faster than anytime in last 10,000 years. Changes occurring this fast are not natural and point strongly to human activity.

Discoveries by biologists, paleontologists, geologists, and oceanologists, have confirmed the work of climatologist. When we see evidence of global warming we should have confirmation which is exactly what the science community has given us.

The polar ice caps have melted faster in last 20 years than in the last 10,000 years.

Prove it.

Show how fast they melted in each of the previous 20 year periods.

Polar ice sheets melting faster than ever | DW | 04.02.2013
Warming Seas, Melting Ice Sheets

Retirement is going to be much warmer and wetter than people had once thought. Even if we are able to turn this around and I have serious doubts at this point we are going to see more adverse affects in the coming years.

But hey, how many generations get to witness the extinction of their species?

 

[Flopper]

[
They were forced several times to buy higher cost construction to lessen damage due to earthquakes which was a lot more expense, had no estimated payback, and was met with more opposition than adding solar panels.

That is a SAFETY issue, in which most building codes are based. Solar panels don't make you more safe. Also watch, the utilities have already raised rates on solar panel users, and they will continue to go up, and up until there is no real cost benefit to having them.

Californians see global climate change as a danger and the majority say we can see the effects now.
Four in five Californians say global warming is a serious threat to the state’s future.

Californians' Views on Climate Change - Public Policy Institute of California
New Poll: Overwhelming Support For Rooftop Solar Power And Related Policies Among California Voters

 

[AntonToo]

Will they also require the batteries to store the electricity? Without those, you're only off grid during daylight hours. You know, when everyone is at work or school...

There are no batteries. The solar panels feed right into the grid and you get your electricity the same way you always did. The difference is how the electricity is metered.

That's not exactly correct. I mean other than you're wrong about the batteries, it's an option.

The electricity you get from solar goes to you as you are using it. What you don't use goes to the utility. You are not sending/selling all your energy directly to your utility only to buy/consume energy from the utility. What you sell is not worth as much as what you buy from your utility company. Think of it as the energy you send to the utility as being wholesale and what you buy above and beyond what you are generating is retail.

Here is a chart it sort of explains it.

In NY grid exchange is still 1:1 and it gets grandafathered in. So long as I don't get a whole new system I will get full credit from the grid on whatever I produce.

 

[KissMy]

Will they also require the batteries to store the electricity? Without those, you're only off grid during daylight hours. You know, when everyone is at work or school...

Daylight hours is when air conditioning is running!

 

[Flopper]

When it comes to climate change the overwhelming belief is that it is real. Do you really not know this?

Nobody questions that the climate changes. We have had ice ages, and tropical periods. The question is whether Man is affecting climate, and if there is any man made "fix". All the solutions are more taxes, and fees on energy, and anything that uses energy. It is a government money grab.

The most compelling evidence that climate change we see happening is not natural is the time factor of change and the concurrence of different scientific disciplines.

Natural global changes in climate takes time and lots of it. This's why the changes we are seeing today are so disturbing. The polar ice caps have melted faster in last 20 years than in the last 10,000 years. CO2 levels have been relatively constant for millions of years until the 20th century. In less than a century they have risen to the highest level in 15 million years. Ocean temperatures are rising faster than anytime in last 10,000 years. Changes occurring this fast are not natural and point strongly to human activity.

Discoveries by biologists, paleontologists, geologists, and oceanologists, have confirmed the work of climatologist. When we see evidence of global warming we should have confirmation which is exactly what the science community has given us.

The polar ice caps have melted faster in last 20 years than in the last 10,000 years.

Prove it.

Show how fast they melted in each of the previous 20 year periods.

Polar ice sheets melting faster than ever | DW | 04.02.2013
Warming Seas, Melting Ice Sheets

Retirement is going to be much warmer and wetter than people had once thought. Even if we are able to turn this around and I have serious doubts at this point we are going to see more adverse affects in the coming years.

But hey, how many generations get to witness the extinction of their species?

My grand kids in Washington State are looking forward to the warm sunny days in winter.

 

[HappyJoy]

Will they also require the batteries to store the electricity? Without those, you're only off grid during daylight hours. You know, when everyone is at work or school...

There are no batteries. The solar panels feed right into the grid and you get your electricity the same way you always did. The difference is how the electricity is metered.

That's not exactly correct. I mean other than you're wrong about the batteries, it's an option.

The electricity you get from solar goes to you as you are using it. What you don't use goes to the utility. You are not sending/selling all your energy directly to your utility only to buy/consume energy from the utility. What you sell is not worth as much as what you buy from your utility company. Think of it as the energy you send to the utility as being wholesale and what you buy above and beyond what you are generating is retail.

Here is a chart it sort of explains it.

In NY grid exchange is still 1:1 and it gets grandafathered in. So long as I don't get a whole new system I will get full credit from the grid on whatever I produce.

That's cool! I'm not sure what exactly the ratio is I get. I did have to change over to a flat rate as opposed to high/low peak where nights and weekends are cheaper. Had to do this because if I sold energy back that was during high peak I could only use the credit during the same high peaks however since I have solar that didn't help.

This was the last year you could get net metering and I only have it for 20 years, those getting solar now get nothing from the utility company, talk about subsidizing. Anyway, I live in a right wing state and still everyone is getting solar.

 

[KissMy]

Same slippery slope when they required cars to have seat belts.

that's not entirely untrue, in fact it is not untrue at all, it's being allowed to pass laws like seat belt laws that allowed liberals to pretend that dictating the wants and needs of the people was divine legislating...refrigerators are soon going to be required to have proper bathroom schedules attached, ya know, cuz seatbelt laws were allowed

Repubtards forced seat-belts to restrain US

 

[HappyJoy]

Nobody questions that the climate changes. We have had ice ages, and tropical periods. The question is whether Man is affecting climate, and if there is any man made "fix". All the solutions are more taxes, and fees on energy, and anything that uses energy. It is a government money grab.

The most compelling evidence that climate change we see happening is not natural is the time factor of change and the concurrence of different scientific disciplines.

Natural global changes in climate takes time and lots of it. This's why the changes we are seeing today are so disturbing. The polar ice caps have melted faster in last 20 years than in the last 10,000 years. CO2 levels have been relatively constant for millions of years until the 20th century. In less than a century they have risen to the highest level in 15 million years. Ocean temperatures are rising faster than anytime in last 10,000 years. Changes occurring this fast are not natural and point strongly to human activity.

Discoveries by biologists, paleontologists, geologists, and oceanologists, have confirmed the work of climatologist. When we see evidence of global warming we should have confirmation which is exactly what the science community has given us.

The polar ice caps have melted faster in last 20 years than in the last 10,000 years.

Prove it.

Show how fast they melted in each of the previous 20 year periods.

Polar ice sheets melting faster than ever | DW | 04.02.2013
Warming Seas, Melting Ice Sheets

Retirement is going to be much warmer and wetter than people had once thought. Even if we are able to turn this around and I have serious doubts at this point we are going to see more adverse affects in the coming years.

But hey, how many generations get to witness the extinction of their species?

My grand kids in Washington State are looking forward to the warm sunny days in winter.

That's funny and very sad at the same time.

 

[Flopper]

NOPE, that's false.

SS is operationally VERY efficient with overhead at just 0.7% compared to about 8-10% if you look at any private insurance system.

SS trust fund balance is positive, which means public has paid more into the system than was paid out of it. And the reason why if nothing is done it will turn negative has nothing to do with inefficiency it has to do with there being more retired people that need to be covered.

that would be true if the dems in congress had not merged SS funds with the general fund under LBJ. Now, those working pay for those who are retired. There is no "fund" that was made up from our SS (FICA) deductions.

As far as budget effects it doesn't matter who merged with what. What matters is how much was paid into the program and how much was paid out.

you just don't get it. SS was set up as a forced retirement fund for American workers. What we paid in was supposed to be put away for our retirement years. Currently there is zero in the SS fund and those working are paying those who are retired. The democrats under LBJ changed it and merged the SS fund with the general fund and then spent it. The classic Ponzi scheme.

Currently there is zero in the SS fund and those working are paying those who are retired.

Currently there is about $2.8 trillion in the SS Trust Fund.

$2.8 trillion of worthless I.O.U.s

The securities in the Social Security Trust Fund are guaranteed as to both principal and interest by the Federal government which is exactly the same guarantee that holders of over 20 trillion dollars of US debt have.