conservative case for increasing the state’s minimum wage to $12 per hour

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former publisher of the American Conservative Ron Unz...
Ron Unz reemerges as champion of minimum-wage hike - latimes.com

By Anthony York January 28, 2014

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Gov. Jerry Brown signed a measure last year that will make California’s minimum wage the highest of any state at the nation -- $10 per hour by 2016.

But that, Unz says, is not enough. He has a new ballot measure that would raise the state minimum wage to $12 per hour, a move Unz says could save the state tens of millions of dollars in welfare payments.

“The reason the current system operates is that there are massive government subsidies going to these low-wage employees,” he said. “Government essentially subsidizes low-wage businesses. They’re getting money from the taxpayer instead of standing on their own two feet.”

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[eflatminor]

While overlooking the devastating effect the minimum wage has on the young, the elderly and the least capable among us who are prevented from working at all by such centrally planned meddling in wages, not to mention the jobs that are outsourced or replaced by technology due to the minimum wage, I would ask the author one question:

Who in their right mind would be so ignorant to believe that raising a minimum wage would convince anyone on the left to curtain the "massive government subsidies"?

Ain't gonna happen.

 

[martybegan]

While overlooking the devastating effect the minimum wage has on the young, the elderly and the least capable among us who are prevented from working at all by such centrally planned meddling in wages, not to mention the jobs that are outsourced or replaced by technology due to the minimum wage, I would ask the author one question:

Who in their right mind would be so ignorant to believe that raising a minimum wage would convince anyone on the left to curtain the "massive government subsidies"?

Ain't gonna happen.

Yes, because we all know progressives can be trusted to end government programs that are no longer needed, or even reduce ones that are oversized....

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

So rather than have the government directly subsidize people, he'd rather use the force of government to force others to subsidize people in an even more inefficient manner as this will cause many to become even more unemployable than they already may be, thus making them once again dependent on direct government subsidies.

 

[eflatminor]

So rather than have the government directly subsidize people, he'd rather use the force of government to force others to subsidize people in an even more inefficient manner as this will cause many to become even more unemployable than they already may be, thus making them once again dependent on direct government subsidies.

Great plan, eh?

I don't care what the author of that tripe calls himself. If it walks like a Progressive, well, we know how the rest goes...

 

[Zander]

Let's raise the minimum wage to $100,000 per year.

Then everyone will have enough money to get off welfare. Right?

 

[eflatminor]

Let's raise the minimum wage to $100,000 per year.

Then everyone will have enough money to get off welfare. Right?

Nope, still too much wage disparity...better make it a million.

 

[Star]

So rather than have the government directly subsidize people, he'd rather use the force of government to force others to subsidize people in an even more inefficient manner as this will cause many to become even more unemployable than they already may be, thus making them once again dependent on direct government subsidies.

Great plan, eh?

I don't care what the author of that tripe calls himself. If it walks like a Progressive, well, we know how the rest goes...

Republicans eatin' their own again. IMO Republican disarray is good for America!


SmartCapitalists.org: 2. IT‘S GOOD FOR AMERICAN TAXPAYERS. Minimum wage earners don’t make enough to support their families and as a result many rely on government programs to make ends meet. A decent wage would increase the number of self-reliant Americans and decrease government expenditures.


And-----and low-wage businesses can start standing on their own two feet, instead of on the broad shoulders of hard working American labor.
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[Kevin_Kennedy]

So rather than have the government directly subsidize people, he'd rather use the force of government to force others to subsidize people in an even more inefficient manner as this will cause many to become even more unemployable than they already may be, thus making them once again dependent on direct government subsidies.

Great plan, eh?

I don't care what the author of that tripe calls himself. If it walks like a Progressive, well, we know how the rest goes...

Republicans eatin' their own again. IMO Republican disarray is good for America!


SmartCapitalists.org: 2. IT‘S GOOD FOR AMERICAN TAXPAYERS. Minimum wage earners don’t make enough to support their families and as a result many rely on government programs to make ends meet. A decent wage would increase the number of self-reliant Americans and decrease government expenditures.


And-----and low-wage businesses can start standing on their own two feet, instead of on the broad shoulders of hard working American labor.
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How does making more people unemployable decrease government expenditures? When has an increase in the minimum wage ever led to a decrease in government expenditures?

 

[PredFan]

Anyone who promotes raising of the minimum wage is too ignorant to be taken seriously. Should be held up for ridicule and not wasted time on trying to argue.

 

[Stephanie]

So rather than have the government directly subsidize people, he'd rather use the force of government to force others to subsidize people in an even more inefficient manner as this will cause many to become even more unemployable than they already may be, thus making them once again dependent on direct government subsidies.

Great plan, eh?

I don't care what the author of that tripe calls himself. If it walks like a Progressive, well, we know how the rest goes...

Republicans eatin' their own again. IMO Republican disarray is good for America!


SmartCapitalists.org: 2. IT&#8216;S GOOD FOR AMERICAN TAXPAYERS. Minimum wage earners don&#8217;t make enough to support their families and as a result many rely on government programs to make ends meet. A decent wage would increase the number of self-reliant Americans and decrease government expenditures.


And-----and low-wage businesses can start standing on their own two feet, instead of on the broad shoulders of hard working American labor.
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You really don't care about the American people or the horrible effects on raising the minimum wage would be for businesses and jobs they provide...someone say's raising it is a good thing to do and you obediently march
you only care about it so you can crow how Republicans are blah blah blah

and who the hell is Ron Unz and why do we care what he has to say....leave it to LASLIMES to run such propaganda to the low information

 

[bendog]

So rather than have the government directly subsidize people, he'd rather use the force of government to force others to subsidize people in an even more inefficient manner as this will cause many to become even more unemployable than they already may be, thus making them once again dependent on direct government subsidies.

That's an interesting point. In a sense, it'd be more efficient, and not inhuman, to set a base income, and do away with other govt supports, including min wage. The lazy and infirm don't starve, though they don't thrive, and even those whom providence has not blessed with great ability can improve their lot.

As to those who'd call me a monster for throwing the disabled out of the lifeboat, I don't want them destitute.

 

[bendog]

Anyone who promotes raising of the minimum wage is too ignorant to be taken seriously. Should be held up for ridicule and not wasted time on trying to argue.

It's not quite that simple. Economists can, and do, make a sound argument. Nevertheless, raising it has at least a short term negative effect.

 

[eflatminor]

So rather than have the government directly subsidize people, he'd rather use the force of government to force others to subsidize people in an even more inefficient manner as this will cause many to become even more unemployable than they already may be, thus making them once again dependent on direct government subsidies.

Great plan, eh?

I don't care what the author of that tripe calls himself. If it walks like a Progressive, well, we know how the rest goes...

Republicans eatin' their own again. IMO Republican disarray is good for America!


SmartCapitalists.org: 2. IT‘S GOOD FOR AMERICAN TAXPAYERS. Minimum wage earners don’t make enough to support their families and as a result many rely on government programs to make ends meet. A decent wage would increase the number of self-reliant Americans and decrease government expenditures.


And-----and low-wage businesses can start standing on their own two feet, instead of on the broad shoulders of hard working American labor.
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THAT'S the best you can muster in defense of your position?

Not a word in response about the devastating effect minimum wages has on the most vulnerable in our society? Nothing about how is results in fewer jobs/higher unemployment? Not a peep about how increased labor costs lead to higher retail prices, most often for the very people you're claiming it helps. All you can do is parrot the delusional suggestion that raising minimum wage would translate to less entitlement spending...without providing a shred of historical evidence?

That's one monumental fail there pal.

 

[NightFox]

But that, Unz says, is not enough. He has a new ballot measure that would raise the state minimum wage to $12 per hour, a move Unz says could save the state tens of millions of dollars in welfare payments.

That's nice, on the down side, the way the California is going with it's hyper regulatory and tax regime in Sacramento, it won't have any businesses left in the state to actually pay any lower scale wages at all, so they might as well just go ahead and raise it to say $300.00 an hour.... soak 'em while ya got 'em boys.

 

[healthmyths]

While overlooking the devastating effect the minimum wage has on the young, the elderly and the least capable among us who are prevented from working at all by such centrally planned meddling in wages, not to mention the jobs that are outsourced or replaced by technology due to the minimum wage, I would ask the author one question:

Who in their right mind would be so ignorant to believe that raising a minimum wage would convince anyone on the left to curtain the "massive government subsidies"?

Ain't gonna happen.

And what can replace dishwashers, busboys, fast food workers?


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What would be the cost?
Well If the minimum wage was raised to $12.00 from $7.25 here are the cost savings:
$12.00 does not include employer's share of SS/Medicare at 7.65% or total almost $13.00.
replacing with robot saves: $26,000 a year.
Each robot costs between US$31,500 – US$47,000
basically in 2 years savings equal to minimum wage increase..

OH by the way that means actually another person being paid $300.00/ 99 weeks or about $30,000 in unemployment benefits ..

 

[NightFox]

What would be the cost?
Well If the minimum wage was raised to $12.00 from $7.25 here are the cost savings:
$12.00 does not include employer's share of SS/Medicare at 7.65% or total almost $13.00.
replacing with robot saves: $26,000 a year.

.... until of course the government worshippers start hollering about raising the minimum wage for robots (after all how else are they going to buy the robot vote with other peoples money?) then all those savings go right out the window.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

So rather than have the government directly subsidize people, he'd rather use the force of government to force others to subsidize people in an even more inefficient manner as this will cause many to become even more unemployable than they already may be, thus making them once again dependent on direct government subsidies.

Great plan, eh?

I don't care what the author of that tripe calls himself. If it walks like a Progressive, well, we know how the rest goes...

Republicans eatin' their own again. IMO Republican disarray is good for America!


SmartCapitalists.org: 2. IT‘S GOOD FOR AMERICAN TAXPAYERS. Minimum wage earners don’t make enough to support their families and as a result many rely on government programs to make ends meet. A decent wage would increase the number of self-reliant Americans and decrease government expenditures.


And-----and low-wage businesses can start standing on their own two feet, instead of on the broad shoulders of hard working American labor.
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Approx only one percent of the employed, and that's a shrinking number, are actually making min wage. Everyone else is making more. And, of course, the govt is always six steps behind the private sector. Min wage weeping is just a hedge that dems use for heart string tugging.

 

[editec]

While overlooking the devastating effect the minimum wage has on the young, the elderly and the least capable among us who are prevented from working at all by such centrally planned meddling in wages, not to mention the jobs that are outsourced or replaced by technology due to the minimum wage, I would ask the author one question:

Who in their right mind would be so ignorant to believe that raising a minimum wage would convince anyone on the left to curtain the "massive government subsidies"?

Ain't gonna happen.

People now eligible for government assistance will no longer be.

Now was that so hard to figure out, lad?

 

[eflatminor]

While overlooking the devastating effect the minimum wage has on the young, the elderly and the least capable among us who are prevented from working at all by such centrally planned meddling in wages, not to mention the jobs that are outsourced or replaced by technology due to the minimum wage, I would ask the author one question:

Who in their right mind would be so ignorant to believe that raising a minimum wage would convince anyone on the left to curtain the "massive government subsidies"?

Ain't gonna happen.

People now eligible for government assistance will no longer be.

Now was that so hard to figure out, lad?

You don't think that eligibility guidelines would adapt as wages increase, just like they always have? Are you that ignorant? And what about the increased number of unemployed brought about by ever higher minimum wage? Will they not increase the number of people on the dole?

Show us one example of where raising the minimum wage resulted in less spending my government on entitlements. Just one will do...

And none of this even begins to address the immorality of preventing those whose skills, lack of experience or diminished capabilities do not warrant a high minimum wage from working at all! I cannot image a more cruel thing than to prevent a man from working. Shame on you.