Conservatives are now attacking survivors of school shootings

[Esmeralda]

my my joined feb. 1st and 200 post already. You might wanna look into getting a job

That’s fewer than 10 posts a day. The Russian trolls here are posting 30 to 50 posts per day.

Every day we watch conservatives sink to new levels of inhumanity and self deception. You spew fear and hate at everyone who doesn’t subscribe to the bullshit you’re peddling.

I thought the attacks on the Sandy Hook parents were beyond the pale but this is a new low for right right wing media.

On a positive note these kids are going to be voting in a few years and they will demolish anyone who is funded by the NRA.

This is a tipping point. There is no going back.

Perhaps not. If an 18 year old can’t be trusted to handle a firearm, how can we trust an 18 year olds to vote?

I have never seen this much mentally deranged bullshit from the right, and they’re mostly deplorables to begin with.

The right is flopping around like fish on a dock trying to undermine the movement this kids are starting. They recognize that this time is different. By discrediting and smearing these children they’re trying to convince themselves that these kids aren’t going to be successful in effecting change.

All for what? Because most people want a ban on AR-15's that a bullet from can explode an organ where a regular pistol most likely passes through and more of a chance to save a victim. Do you think all these dick heads have an AR-15? All they hear is gun control and think we all want their manhood. Nope keep your little dicks in holster but give up the AR-15's.

Trump’s solution is to arm 20% of the teachers and give them advanced weapons training. That’s 700,000 teachers, nationwide. Schools don’t have the money for textbooks and supplies for the teachers. Where are they going to get the money for guns and training?

Now some practical concerns:

1. This turn teachers into targets. If I’m a shooter, with an AR15, I’m taking out the teachers first and I’d be looking for them and shooting them on sight.

2. Teacher will be armed with handguns. Perps with AR 15’s with high capacity magazines. Logic and reason say the perp has a huge advantage here. Plus he’s not frightened or worried about missing the target and hitting students.

3. Teachers won’t be able to draw their guns until there’s an active shooter. By which time it’s already too late.

There is also a big issue: the majority of teachers, parents and students do not want teachers to be armed.

First, I doubt if you have any idea what the majority of teachers want. Second, although people went through school, they don't know what is involved in being a teacher...which is part of what's wrong with Legislatures trying to establish rule for schools...they should allow actual educators handle that. And finally I believe that people like you only want to consider a narrow range of options because you only have one true agenda and that is to take away the rights of others to force them to live as you choose.

I have a very good idea what teachers want. I taught for 30 years. I taught during years when we had to do lockdown drills. I have talked to and dealt with more teachers, parents and students than you can even imagine. Once when teaching a community college night class, I was the object of one disgruntled student's plan to kill me; he brought a gun to school to do that, but was discovered before he did anything. I know the danger. My being armed or another teacher being armed would not have been the solution.You are the one who doesn't know what teachers want. You have no idea what the school environment is like.

If I were working in a school that suddenly allowed teachers to carry guns, I'd quit. If I had kids in such a school, I'd remove them. The vast majority of teachers and parents would do the same. The vast majority of schools do not want teachers carrying guns to school.

I have only one goal: to try to keep our kids safe.

 

[Esmeralda]

Put the blame where it belongs it's not the gun it's not the left or the right
Make it a law that parents teach their children not to be bullies not to make fun of other kids. Have them drill it in their heads over and over at an early age not to be bullies not to make fun of other kids. Have teachers to watch for that and take action immediately stop bullying if a kid is bullied long enough it will affect their mental state

So it's all the fault of everyone else except the shooter and his precious gun? Brilliant.

Wouldn't you say he was a troubled young man that needed help before it came to
this point

Parkland shooting suspect Nikolas Cruz joked about guns, students say

If there was no gun for him to go out and buy, there would be no problem. That's the bottom line. That kid owned 10 firearms. He easily purchased the AK 15 with which he killed 17 people in 3 minutes. It is the gun that is the real problem. People all over the world have mental problems: mass shootings like this occur only in America, the country with far more guns per person than any other in the world. It is the access to guns that is the problem.

If he had not been deprived of the help he needed he would not have used the gun to kill anyone. All the signs he showed he should have been treated long ago

Bottom line: if he didn't have an AK 15, he wouldn't have killed 17 innocent kids and teachers 3 minutes. He could have killed even more if he didn't decide to cut and run when he did. It is the easy access to guns that is the problem.

 

[Esmeralda]

So it's all the fault of everyone else except the shooter and his precious gun? Brilliant.

Wouldn't you say he was a troubled young man that needed help before it came to
this point

Parkland shooting suspect Nikolas Cruz joked about guns, students say

If there was no gun for him to go out and buy, there would be no problem. That's the bottom line. That kid owned 10 firearms. He easily purchased the AK 15 with which he killed 17 people in 3 minutes. It is the gun that is the real problem. People all over the world have mental problems: mass shootings like this occur only in America, the country with far more guns per person than any other in the world. It is the access to guns that is the problem.

That is ridiculous. There are THOUSANDS of AR-15s in this nation and thev have been used illegally. The mentally ill must be treated and controlled, not the weapon.

Umm... why not treat and control both?

If you treat there would be no need for control

If you ban the gun, there is no need for tons of safety measures, including arming teachers.

 

[bripat9643]

Folks with common sense know y'all Communists aren't gonna stop at banning 'Bump-Stocks' and AR's. They know what your ultimate goal is. They understand the Agenda.

You're right about two things. I hope all devices that make a semi auto a full auto or close to it will be outlawed and I hope ALL weapons that are weapons of war will be banned and that includes all weapons that are multi round magazine fed. But don't worry, even if all guns are banned you can still kill a deer but you'd better be a fast runner and have a swing like Barry Bonds.

"all weapons that are multi round magazine fed?" You have to be joking. That would outlaw 90% of all firearms.

And you turds claim you don't want to repeal the 2nd Amendment.

I might be full of shit but I'm iron clad. Your inane insults are hollow pretty much like some skulls and have no effect on me whatsoever. . I guess this means I won't be invited to your next Bar b Cue? Yeah, I think victims of knuckleheads like Cruz should have a window of time to flee the gunfire. If Cruz had to stop to reload we'd have 16 fewer deaths and without taking anyone's guns away. You can still protect yourself and you can still kill animals but you'll be sadly disappointed when you want to take out an entire classroom. Oh! What a terrible burden to have to pause to reload.

So, you suppose an active shooter would only have one magazine and when he/she ran out of bullets in that magazine, it couldn't be changed...you are NOT iron clad.

When did I suppose that? You just made my argument for me. Do you realize that? I know about weapons and especially that one. That's what I'm saying. With a mag fed ar15 there is an almost uninterrupted field of fire. If Cruz had to pause between rounds or even 3 rounds far fewer would have been slaughtered. That's not taking guns away it's limiting their destructive capability upon innocents. You got a problem with that?

You just shot down your claim that you know about weapons. The term "field of fire" does not refer to how many shots a gun can fire per trigger pull or per unit of time. It refers to the area with visible targets that are in range.

Nice try, poser.

 

[bripat9643]

Wouldn't you say he was a troubled young man that needed help before it came to
this point

Parkland shooting suspect Nikolas Cruz joked about guns, students say

If there was no gun for him to go out and buy, there would be no problem. That's the bottom line. That kid owned 10 firearms. He easily purchased the AK 15 with which he killed 17 people in 3 minutes. It is the gun that is the real problem. People all over the world have mental problems: mass shootings like this occur only in America, the country with far more guns per person than any other in the world. It is the access to guns that is the problem.

That is ridiculous. There are THOUSANDS of AR-15s in this nation and thev have been used illegally. The mentally ill must be treated and controlled, not the weapon.

Umm... why not treat and control both?

If you treat there would be no need for control

If you ban the gun, there is no need for tons of safety measures, including arming teachers.

That's what some journalists at Hebdo thought. Also a lot of people at an Ariana Grande concert in London, and some other concert goers in Paris. The list goes on.

 

[bripat9643]

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Only change that last cell to -- you shot 31 people and killed 17 of them, and then you begin to scratch the surface of what makes an AR-15 different from the rest.

Yeah, if people could see for themselves what the AR15 does when a person is hit they might be of a different mind. In Vietnam, when we were in a firefight and we inspected the enemy dead afterward we'd see complete devastation.

We'd see big chunks of flesh and bone, we'd see bodies literally ripped to shreds. It's not what folks think. There are not little holes and intact dead people, it's pure carnage.

That's what those poor kids faced and what their fate was. Horrible and it needs to be stopped.

More total bullshit. I doubt you were ever in Vietnam. The NATO round used in Vietnam was fully jacketed, which means it didn't mushroom or fragment. It does far less damage than a typical lead round used for hunting.

No one thinks getting shot is a fun thing. Quit pretending that anyone has said as much.

 

[bripat9643]

--- Douglas school cop 'never went in' during the shooting. There were other failures, too --- also better having teachers armed and willing to protect kids than to have 'careful cops' at a school that won't do his job Faun .

If a deputy wouldn’t engage the shooter, what makes you think a teacher would??

Yet more reason to do whatever’s necessary from keeping people getting their hands on military style weapons.

My thoughts exactly. If cops are afraid to take on a mass killer armed with an AR-15 (not that I blame them), what makes these Repug crazies think teachers will perform any better in that situation?

When the alternative is getting killed, I think they would be strongly motivated to do something. Furthermore, what makes you think teachers are a bunch of cowards like rent-a-cops? The people getting killed are their students, their friends, their responsibility. Most people are willing to take some risk to stop their friends from being killed.

 

[bripat9643]

Most Southern Conservatives are feeding their fat faces.

Problems with education and now problem dodging those bullets.

Dey, fvcked!

What a fucking bigot.

 

[bripat9643]

Your hero Trump must also be a Communist, since he is allowing Russia to interfere in our elections and will continue to do so.

Russia isn’t communist. They overthrew the communists and earned the undying enmity of Democrats for doing so.

Trump sucks the cock of a KGB communist every day, fucktard. His name is Vladimir Putin.

The logic of your argument is stunning!

 

[bripat9643]

--------------------------------------- Faun and his democrat henchman don't THINK , they just have an agenda to disarm Americans

And by disarm Americans, you mean keep weapons like AR-15s out of peoples’ hands.

It's just a semi auto for crying out loud. I live in bear, cougar, coyote and wolf country. But my semi auto isn't going to end up killing kids in school because I'm not a homicidal maniac.

Stop blaming the fucking gun. Blame the systems that failed. Blame the government who have not enacted safe guards for such a soft target because the left wing nutbars prefer a blood bath so they can achieve the agenda of disarming law abiding citizens.

It's disgusting. AND this time around there is no doubt about it. Left wing whack jobs have no intention of discussing viable safeguards for schools. Just grab the guns.

We already discussed viable safeguards, shit-for-brains. Ban the AR-15 and other assault rifles.

Fuck you. The AR 15 isn't an assault rifle so you can just can your bullshit buddy. Just lie lie lie that you just want "reasonable" gun laws.

All America has to do is duplicate what works for Israel. Since 1974 they have only had two attacks and both times the gunmen were taken out.

The answers are out there. But you don't want answers. You want to use dead childrens bodies that weren't even bagged up yet before you left wing whackos started your banning bullshit.

Fucking evil mother fuckers couldn't even wait till they were bagged up.

I gave you an answer the first time, fucktard. Maybe you didn't get the message, let me repeat -- Ban the AR-15 and other assault rifles.

I don't give a flying fuck about your deranged, simple-minded Repug musings about what is or is not an assault rifle. The bullets from an AR-15 destroy any organ or body part that it comes into close proximity with. The AR-15 is designed to cause maximum damage to the human body, it is a weapon of war. So go fuck yourself.

That's all complete bullshit. You don't know what the fuck you're talking about. You know nothing about guns. I already proved that.

 

[TheMoreYouKnow]

'Nuff Said

 

[NYcarbineer]

There is a certain sort of madness now on the Right that seems to be induced by the fact that those on the Right who in the public eye and oftentimes employed in one way or another as public figures

have found that there's a good audience for rightwing madness, no matter how outrageous. IOW crazy has become a marketable skill on the right, as long as it's anti-liberal crazy.

Think about it. Try to think of any crazy shit that some rightwinger, say, in the media, has come out with that was NOT endorsed/defended by the usual RWnut suspects on USMB.

Anything? I can't think of anything, and that supports my point.

 

[bripat9643]

'Nuff Said

The logic of a 4-year-old. Appropriate for you, however.

 

[bripat9643]

These days teachers are mostly a bunch of deluded leftwing dumbasses.

I need a scorecard to keep track of who the right hates.

• FBI
• Teachers

Who else?

-----------------------------------------well teachers that YOU mention , i don't trust many of them because of this kinda stuff . --- The big list: Female teachers with students --- this kinda stuff Faun .

Wait.... I forgot about Liberals. They belong on that list too, right?

• FBI
• Liberals
• Teachers

Who else?

They hate RINOs....well, their definition of a RINO is a Repug who disagrees with their hero Trump 5% of the time. Even RINOs are batch shit crazy because the whole Repug Party has moved so far to the right.

Ok, so we have (I added some)....

• CNN
• FBI
• Gays
• Hillary
• Liberals
• Muslims
• RINO's
• Teachers

List of people that leftwingers hate:

• FOX News
• Cops
• White males
• Rich people
• Christians
• Southerner
• NRA members
• Black Republicans
• CEOs
• Heterosexuals
• Home schoolers
• Conservatives
• Libertarians

 

[froggy]

Put the blame where it belongs it's not the gun it's not the left or the right
Make it a law that parents teach their children not to be bullies not to make fun of other kids. Have them drill it in their heads over and over at an early age not to be bullies not to make fun of other kids. Have teachers to watch for that and take action immediately stop bullying if a kid is bullied long enough it will affect their mental state

So it's all the fault of everyone else except the shooter and his precious gun? Brilliant.

Wouldn't you say he was a troubled young man that needed help before it came to
this point

Parkland shooting suspect Nikolas Cruz joked about guns, students say

If there was no gun for him to go out and buy, there would be no problem. That's the bottom line. That kid owned 10 firearms. He easily purchased the AK 15 with which he killed 17 people in 3 minutes. It is the gun that is the real problem. People all over the world have mental problems: mass shootings like this occur only in America, the country with far more guns per person than any other in the world. It is the access to guns that is the problem.

If he had not been deprived of the help he needed he would not have used the gun to kill anyone. All the signs he showed he should have been treated long ago

Bottom line: if he didn't have an AK 15, he wouldn't have killed 17 innocent kids and teachers 3 minutes. He could have killed even more if he didn't decide to cut and run when he did. It is the easy access to guns that is the problem.

Wrong as usual

 

[froggy]

Wouldn't you say he was a troubled young man that needed help before it came to
this point

Parkland shooting suspect Nikolas Cruz joked about guns, students say

If there was no gun for him to go out and buy, there would be no problem. That's the bottom line. That kid owned 10 firearms. He easily purchased the AK 15 with which he killed 17 people in 3 minutes. It is the gun that is the real problem. People all over the world have mental problems: mass shootings like this occur only in America, the country with far more guns per person than any other in the world. It is the access to guns that is the problem.

That is ridiculous. There are THOUSANDS of AR-15s in this nation and thev have been used illegally. The mentally ill must be treated and controlled, not the weapon.

Umm... why not treat and control both?

If you treat there would be no need for control

If you ban the gun, there is no need for tons of safety measures, including arming teachrs.[/QTE]
Do criminals obey the law you think if you have a ban on something it goes away

 

[debbiedowner]

That’s fewer than 10 posts a day. The Russian trolls here are posting 30 to 50 posts per day.

Every day we watch conservatives sink to new levels of inhumanity and self deception. You spew fear and hate at everyone who doesn’t subscribe to the bullshit you’re peddling.

I thought the attacks on the Sandy Hook parents were beyond the pale but this is a new low for right right wing media.

On a positive note these kids are going to be voting in a few years and they will demolish anyone who is funded by the NRA.

This is a tipping point. There is no going back.

Perhaps not. If an 18 year old can’t be trusted to handle a firearm, how can we trust an 18 year olds to vote?

The right is flopping around like fish on a dock trying to undermine the movement this kids are starting. They recognize that this time is different. By discrediting and smearing these children they’re trying to convince themselves that these kids aren’t going to be successful in effecting change.

All for what? Because most people want a ban on AR-15's that a bullet from can explode an organ where a regular pistol most likely passes through and more of a chance to save a victim. Do you think all these dick heads have an AR-15? All they hear is gun control and think we all want their manhood. Nope keep your little dicks in holster but give up the AR-15's.

Trump’s solution is to arm 20% of the teachers and give them advanced weapons training. That’s 700,000 teachers, nationwide. Schools don’t have the money for textbooks and supplies for the teachers. Where are they going to get the money for guns and training?

Now some practical concerns:

1. This turn teachers into targets. If I’m a shooter, with an AR15, I’m taking out the teachers first and I’d be looking for them and shooting them on sight.

2. Teacher will be armed with handguns. Perps with AR 15’s with high capacity magazines. Logic and reason say the perp has a huge advantage here. Plus he’s not frightened or worried about missing the target and hitting students.

3. Teachers won’t be able to draw their guns until there’s an active shooter. By which time it’s already too late.

There is also a big issue: the majority of teachers, parents and students do not want teachers to be armed.

First, I doubt if you have any idea what the majority of teachers want. Second, although people went through school, they don't know what is involved in being a teacher...which is part of what's wrong with Legislatures trying to establish rule for schools...they should allow actual educators handle that. And finally I believe that people like you only want to consider a narrow range of options because you only have one true agenda and that is to take away the rights of others to force them to live as you choose.

I have a very good idea what teachers want. I taught for 30 years. I taught during years when we had to do lockdown drills. I have talked to and dealt with more teachers, parents and students than you can even imagine. Once when teaching a community college night class, I was the object of one disgruntled student's plan to kill me; he brought a gun to school to do that, but was discovered before he did anything. I know the danger. My being armed or another teacher being armed would not have been the solution.You are the one who doesn't know what teachers want. You have no idea what the school environment is like.

If I were working in a school that suddenly allowed teachers to carry guns, I'd quit. If I had kids in such a school, I'd remove them. The vast majority of teachers and parents would do the same. The vast majority of schools do not want teachers carrying guns to school.

I have only one goal: to try to keep our kids safe.

I've been shot in combat. And as a veteran, I'm telling you: allowing teachers to be armed is an asinine idea

 

[Esmeralda]

If there was no gun for him to go out and buy, there would be no problem. That's the bottom line. That kid owned 10 firearms. He easily purchased the AK 15 with which he killed 17 people in 3 minutes. It is the gun that is the real problem. People all over the world have mental problems: mass shootings like this occur only in America, the country with far more guns per person than any other in the world. It is the access to guns that is the problem.

That is ridiculous. There are THOUSANDS of AR-15s in this nation and thev have been used illegally. The mentally ill must be treated and controlled, not the weapon.

Umm... why not treat and control both?

If you treat there would be no need for control

If you ban the gun, there is no need for tons of safety measures, including arming teachrs.[/QTE]
Do criminals obey the law you think if you have a ban on something it goes away

For the millionth time: when guns are out of circulation, criminals have a hard time getting a hold of them as mostly they are stolen from private owners. Policing of smuggled weapons can be stepped up, but the example of other countries with strict gun laws shows us that the scenario American gun nuts and the NRA put forth that if guns were not legally available, only criminals would have them is dead wrong. Completely inaccurate.

 

[Correll]

Wow, that's really stupid.

 

[Correll]

No one is spitting on the children, we are just challenging their stupid words and ideas.