Could Trump Actually Deport 11 Million People?

[Correll]

In a word, Y-E-S

Trump Isn’t Bluffing, He’ll Deport 11 Million People

"Legally, there’s nothing to it.

"Trump doesn’t need an act of Congress.

"He doesn’t even have to sign an executive order.

"All he’ll have to do to set this outrage in motion is pick up the phone and tell the head of Immigration and Customs Enforcement to do his or her job: enforce the law.

"Camps cost money. So do more agents. No problem.

"President Trump can shift his budget priorities in favor of ICE.

"He’s already said he would triple ICE’s enforcement division from 5,000 to 15,000 officers.

"The FBI would have to pitch in."

Sure, the optics of the biggest forced population movement since Stalin would present problems, and it isn't too likely countries of origin would be thrilled about receiving millions of bitter, unemployed new arrivals, but could Trump actually deliver on his promise?

What happens to his administration if he can't?

that would mean they would have to capture 734 illegals each that would meant it would take two years at what cost ... if they paid each person 50,000 dollars a year it would cost the government 1,500,000,000 thats just in salaries ... now they have to go through the court system, when they are incarcerated, each year whats that cost I remember reading 65,000 dollars a year thats 1,430,000,000,000 dollars talk about spenders is it worth it

Your sudden lib concern about government spending is...

hard to take seriously.

 

[ChrisL]

In a word, Y-E-S

Trump Isn’t Bluffing, He’ll Deport 11 Million People

"Legally, there’s nothing to it.

"Trump doesn’t need an act of Congress.

"He doesn’t even have to sign an executive order.

"All he’ll have to do to set this outrage in motion is pick up the phone and tell the head of Immigration and Customs Enforcement to do his or her job: enforce the law.

"Camps cost money. So do more agents. No problem.

"President Trump can shift his budget priorities in favor of ICE.

"He’s already said he would triple ICE’s enforcement division from 5,000 to 15,000 officers.

"The FBI would have to pitch in."

Sure, the optics of the biggest forced population movement since Stalin would present problems, and it isn't too likely countries of origin would be thrilled about receiving millions of bitter, unemployed new arrivals, but could Trump actually deliver on his promise?

What happens to his administration if he can't?

that would mean they would have to capture 734 illegals each that would meant it would take two years at what cost ... if they paid each person 50,000 dollars a year it would cost the government 1,500,000,000 thats just in salaries ... now they have to go through the court system, when they are incarcerated, each year whats that cost I remember reading 65,000 dollars a year thats 1,430,000,000,000 dollars talk about spenders is it worth it

Your sudden lib concern about government spending is...

hard to take seriously.

Well, honestly, I don't think rounding them all up and deporting them at taxpayer expense is a very feasible solution. There are other more cost effective ways of taking away the incentives from them so that there is nothing to gain by coming here in the first place. Also, some of those measures would be incentive for those who are living here with established lives here to become legal citizens.

There are also many other reasons why NOT to support illegals. They have no real paper trails, no medical records, a lot of times they may use SS numbers that don't belong to them, when they commit a crime they can't be traced, they may or may not have been vaccinated against certain diseases, etc., etc., etc. You would THINK these things would be common sense, but apparently common sense is not very common.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Watch Correll as a lying far right nativist wiggle around.

Trump's back walking his anti-immigrant speech is news as you well know.

And it has been repeatedly reported on the board that Hispanics from south of the border have higher rates of vaccinations then Americans.

 

[georgephillip]

I disagree. If you want to move your money overseas, the government has no authority to stop you. You have the right to dispose of your property as you see fit.

After you pay your fair share of taxes. In spite of libertarian entitlement theory, citizens of a state have no absolute property right over any natural resource. Wealth acquired from natural resources is not created in isolation; it is as much a product of society as it is the rugged individual.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Vaccination Rates Among Immigrants Are a Legitimate Concern

Vaccination Rates Among Immigrants Are a Legitimate Concern


By CIS, February 9, 2015

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The spread of measles in the United States is undoubtedly driven by insufficient vaccination among natives. But this does not mean that the vaccination rate among immigrant groups is unimportant, or that one must be "anti-immigrant" to worry about it. In fact, low vaccination rates in the United States, regrettable as they are, make it all the more important to be vigilant about what diseases may be carried across our borders. It is probably not a coincidence that the current outbreak has been traced to Disneyland, which is a common destination for international travelers.

Some advocates of mass immigration seem to regard any such concern as illegitimate, at least when it comes to immigrants from Latin America. A recent post on the Think Progress blog ridicules Rep. Mo Brooks (R-Ala.) for suggesting that the outbreak of measles has its origin south of the border. Think Progress cites 2012 data from the World Health Organization (WHO) that show the measles vaccination rate in Mexico is 99 percent — much better than the U.S. rate of 92 percent — and that vaccination rates in most Central American nations exceed the U.S. rate as well.

But how reliable are those numbers? The WHO's vaccination estimates are oddly lower in 2013 for Mexico, Guatemala, Honduras, and Panama:



Measles Vaccination Rate Estimates (Percent of Population)

Source: World Health Organization.

 

[Correll]

In a word, Y-E-S

Trump Isn’t Bluffing, He’ll Deport 11 Million People

"Legally, there’s nothing to it.

"Trump doesn’t need an act of Congress.

"He doesn’t even have to sign an executive order.

"All he’ll have to do to set this outrage in motion is pick up the phone and tell the head of Immigration and Customs Enforcement to do his or her job: enforce the law.

"Camps cost money. So do more agents. No problem.

"President Trump can shift his budget priorities in favor of ICE.

"He’s already said he would triple ICE’s enforcement division from 5,000 to 15,000 officers.

"The FBI would have to pitch in."

Sure, the optics of the biggest forced population movement since Stalin would present problems, and it isn't too likely countries of origin would be thrilled about receiving millions of bitter, unemployed new arrivals, but could Trump actually deliver on his promise?

What happens to his administration if he can't?

that would mean they would have to capture 734 illegals each that would meant it would take two years at what cost ... if they paid each person 50,000 dollars a year it would cost the government 1,500,000,000 thats just in salaries ... now they have to go through the court system, when they are incarcerated, each year whats that cost I remember reading 65,000 dollars a year thats 1,430,000,000,000 dollars talk about spenders is it worth it

Your sudden lib concern about government spending is...

hard to take seriously.

Well, honestly, I don't think rounding them all up and deporting them at taxpayer expense is a very feasible solution. There are other more cost effective ways of taking away the incentives from them so that there is nothing to gain by coming here in the first place. Also, some of those measures would be incentive for those who are living here with established lives here to become legal citizens.

There are also many other reasons why NOT to support illegals. They have no real paper trails, no medical records, a lot of times they may use SS numbers that don't belong to them, when they commit a crime they can't be traced, they may or may not have been vaccinated against certain diseases, etc., etc., etc. You would THINK these things would be common sense, but apparently common sense is not very common.

1. I see no reason why it is not feasible. THe real issue is stopping them from coming BACK. Hence the Wall and enforced e-verify.

2. Your point(s) on Common Sense are spot on. The only problem with Common Sense is how uncommon it is.

 

[ChrisL]

Vaccination Rates Among Immigrants Are a Legitimate Concern

Vaccination Rates Among Immigrants Are a Legitimate Concern


By CIS, February 9, 2015

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The spread of measles in the United States is undoubtedly driven by insufficient vaccination among natives. But this does not mean that the vaccination rate among immigrant groups is unimportant, or that one must be "anti-immigrant" to worry about it. In fact, low vaccination rates in the United States, regrettable as they are, make it all the more important to be vigilant about what diseases may be carried across our borders. It is probably not a coincidence that the current outbreak has been traced to Disneyland, which is a common destination for international travelers.

Some advocates of mass immigration seem to regard any such concern as illegitimate, at least when it comes to immigrants from Latin America. A recent post on the Think Progress blog ridicules Rep. Mo Brooks (R-Ala.) for suggesting that the outbreak of measles has its origin south of the border. Think Progress cites 2012 data from the World Health Organization (WHO) that show the measles vaccination rate in Mexico is 99 percent — much better than the U.S. rate of 92 percent — and that vaccination rates in most Central American nations exceed the U.S. rate as well.

But how reliable are those numbers? The WHO's vaccination estimates are oddly lower in 2013 for Mexico, Guatemala, Honduras, and Panama:



Measles Vaccination Rate Estimates (Percent of Population)

Source: World Health Organization.

Irrelevant, if they aren't being cleared from a medical standpoint, you don't know if they've had vaccinations or not.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Vaccination Rates Among Immigrants Are a Legitimate Concern

Vaccination Rates Among Immigrants Are a Legitimate Concern


By CIS, February 9, 2015

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The spread of measles in the United States is undoubtedly driven by insufficient vaccination among natives. But this does not mean that the vaccination rate among immigrant groups is unimportant, or that one must be "anti-immigrant" to worry about it. In fact, low vaccination rates in the United States, regrettable as they are, make it all the more important to be vigilant about what diseases may be carried across our borders. It is probably not a coincidence that the current outbreak has been traced to Disneyland, which is a common destination for international travelers.

Some advocates of mass immigration seem to regard any such concern as illegitimate, at least when it comes to immigrants from Latin America. A recent post on the Think Progress blog ridicules Rep. Mo Brooks (R-Ala.) for suggesting that the outbreak of measles has its origin south of the border. Think Progress cites 2012 data from the World Health Organization (WHO) that show the measles vaccination rate in Mexico is 99 percent — much better than the U.S. rate of 92 percent — and that vaccination rates in most Central American nations exceed the U.S. rate as well.

But how reliable are those numbers? The WHO's vaccination estimates are oddly lower in 2013 for Mexico, Guatemala, Honduras, and Panama:



Measles Vaccination Rate Estimates (Percent of Population)

Source: World Health Organization.

Irrelevant, if they aren't being cleared from a medical standpoint, you don't know if they've had vaccinations or not.

Absolutely rebuts your comments and are very relevant. Next.

 

[ChrisL]

Vaccination Rates Among Immigrants Are a Legitimate Concern

Vaccination Rates Among Immigrants Are a Legitimate Concern


By CIS, February 9, 2015

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The spread of measles in the United States is undoubtedly driven by insufficient vaccination among natives. But this does not mean that the vaccination rate among immigrant groups is unimportant, or that one must be "anti-immigrant" to worry about it. In fact, low vaccination rates in the United States, regrettable as they are, make it all the more important to be vigilant about what diseases may be carried across our borders. It is probably not a coincidence that the current outbreak has been traced to Disneyland, which is a common destination for international travelers.

Some advocates of mass immigration seem to regard any such concern as illegitimate, at least when it comes to immigrants from Latin America. A recent post on the Think Progress blog ridicules Rep. Mo Brooks (R-Ala.) for suggesting that the outbreak of measles has its origin south of the border. Think Progress cites 2012 data from the World Health Organization (WHO) that show the measles vaccination rate in Mexico is 99 percent — much better than the U.S. rate of 92 percent — and that vaccination rates in most Central American nations exceed the U.S. rate as well.

But how reliable are those numbers? The WHO's vaccination estimates are oddly lower in 2013 for Mexico, Guatemala, Honduras, and Panama:



Measles Vaccination Rate Estimates (Percent of Population)

Source: World Health Organization.

Irrelevant, if they aren't being cleared from a medical standpoint, you don't know if they've had vaccinations or not.

Absolutely rebuts your comments and are very relevant. Next.

Not at all. There was no rebuttal there. If they haven't been cleared medically, then you don't know.

 

[ChrisL]

Vaccination Rates Among Immigrants Are a Legitimate Concern

Vaccination Rates Among Immigrants Are a Legitimate Concern


By CIS, February 9, 2015

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The spread of measles in the United States is undoubtedly driven by insufficient vaccination among natives. But this does not mean that the vaccination rate among immigrant groups is unimportant, or that one must be "anti-immigrant" to worry about it. In fact, low vaccination rates in the United States, regrettable as they are, make it all the more important to be vigilant about what diseases may be carried across our borders. It is probably not a coincidence that the current outbreak has been traced to Disneyland, which is a common destination for international travelers.

Some advocates of mass immigration seem to regard any such concern as illegitimate, at least when it comes to immigrants from Latin America. A recent post on the Think Progress blog ridicules Rep. Mo Brooks (R-Ala.) for suggesting that the outbreak of measles has its origin south of the border. Think Progress cites 2012 data from the World Health Organization (WHO) that show the measles vaccination rate in Mexico is 99 percent — much better than the U.S. rate of 92 percent — and that vaccination rates in most Central American nations exceed the U.S. rate as well.

But how reliable are those numbers? The WHO's vaccination estimates are oddly lower in 2013 for Mexico, Guatemala, Honduras, and Panama:



Measles Vaccination Rate Estimates (Percent of Population)

Source: World Health Organization.

Irrelevant, if they aren't being cleared from a medical standpoint, you don't know if they've had vaccinations or not.

Absolutely rebuts your comments and are very relevant. Next.

For example, tuberculosis . . .

Adoptees: Tuberculosis Screening FAQ | Immigrant and Refugee Health | CDC

 

[ChrisL]

From my link above . . .

5. What kind of medical exam does my child need to become a permanent U.S. resident?
As required by U.S. law (please see FAQ 15), any child or adult who is becoming a permanent U.S. resident needs an overseas medical exam, which includes testing for TB. This medical exam must be conducted by a specific physician, known as a panel physician.

Several factors that affect the choice of TB tests for children include:

• their age,
• whether they have a known HIV infection, and
• if they have signs or symptoms of TB.

To complete this process for your child, you will also need to know about types and timing of TB testing, which are described below (please see FAQs 7, 8, 9, and 10).

You can visit CDC’s Basic TB Facts to find information about:

• the differences between latent Mycobacterium tuberculosis infection (latent or inactive TB) and TB (also called active TB),
• the signs and symptoms of TB, and
• how TB is spread.

Technical Instructions for Tuberculosis (TB) Screening and Treatment using Cultures and Directly Observed Therapy (DOT) were most recently updated in 2009. However, these requirements were first created in 1991 and have been updated throughout the years. These Technical Instructions have been implemented on a country-by-country basis since 2007. As of October 1, 2013 the Technical Instructions are being used by all countries that screen immigrants and refugees coming to the United States. These Technical Instructions include tests and procedures for diagnosing TB sooner and more accurately.

[paste:font size="3"]7. What does each TB test involve?
Tuberculin Skin Test (TST)

• This test is performed by a health care worker, who injects a small amount of fluid (called tuberculin) into the skin of your child’s lower arm.
• After 48-72 hours, your child returns to the health care worker, who looks for a raised, hard area or swelling and if present, measures its size with a ruler. A raised area measuring 10 millimeters or more is a positive TST test result.

Interferon Gamma Release Assay (IGRA)

• This is a blood test that can be conducted instead of a TST to detect and measure your child’s immune response to TB bacteria.

Sputum Sample

• Under the direct observation of a health care provider, three samples of your child’s sputum (mucus that is coughed up) are collected and tested for TB bacteria.
• Children who are unable to cough up enough sputum for testing have the options of sputum induction or an early morning gastric aspirate.
  
  • In sputum induction, your child is given an inhaler with saline solution (a mixture of salt and water) to help him or her cough up sputum.
  • In an early morning gastric aspirate, a tube is passed through your child’s nose and used to collect mucus from your child’s stomach. This method can be very helpful if your child is young and has difficulty following directions to cough. While your child will be awake for this procedure, the panel physician will take care to ensure your child is as comfortable as possible.

Sputum Smears

• To confirm whether your child has TB, the sputum sample is examined for TB bacteria under a microscope.
• The combination of the sputum smears and sputum cultures tests is the most accurate way for doctors to determine whether your child has TB.

Sputum Culture

• To confirm whether your child has TB, the sputum sample is stored in a lab for 8 weeks, where medical professionals watch for the growth of TB bacteria.
  
  • If your child has TB, the bacteria should grow and be visible within 2-8 weeks which means a positive diagnosis. Because TB bacteria often grow slowly, a full 8 weeks must pass to allow the bacteria to grow.
  • If your child does not have TB, no growth of the bacteria will be present by the end of 8 weeks which means a negative diagnosis.

Drug Susceptibility Test

• If your child has a positive sputum culture, this laboratory test determines which medications can kill the TB bacteria. Based on the results of this test, your child will be given the TB medications that are most effective against their TB.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Vaccination Rates Among Immigrants Are a Legitimate Concern

Vaccination Rates Among Immigrants Are a Legitimate Concern


By CIS, February 9, 2015

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The spread of measles in the United States is undoubtedly driven by insufficient vaccination among natives. But this does not mean that the vaccination rate among immigrant groups is unimportant, or that one must be "anti-immigrant" to worry about it. In fact, low vaccination rates in the United States, regrettable as they are, make it all the more important to be vigilant about what diseases may be carried across our borders. It is probably not a coincidence that the current outbreak has been traced to Disneyland, which is a common destination for international travelers.

Some advocates of mass immigration seem to regard any such concern as illegitimate, at least when it comes to immigrants from Latin America. A recent post on the Think Progress blog ridicules Rep. Mo Brooks (R-Ala.) for suggesting that the outbreak of measles has its origin south of the border. Think Progress cites 2012 data from the World Health Organization (WHO) that show the measles vaccination rate in Mexico is 99 percent — much better than the U.S. rate of 92 percent — and that vaccination rates in most Central American nations exceed the U.S. rate as well.

But how reliable are those numbers? The WHO's vaccination estimates are oddly lower in 2013 for Mexico, Guatemala, Honduras, and Panama:



Measles Vaccination Rate Estimates (Percent of Population)

Source: World Health Organization.

Irrelevant, if they aren't being cleared from a medical standpoint, you don't know if they've had vaccinations or not.

Absolutely rebuts your comments and are very relevant. Next.

Not at all. There was no rebuttal there. If they haven't been cleared medically, then you don't know.

The article clearly points out the immigrants are at greater risk from Americans, so yeah your argument is failed.

 

[JakeStarkey]

I post clear and convincing evidence that Correll and ChrisL are incorrect and all they can do is run a red herring, or deny, or go all "nuh uh" or foolishly accuse one of being a sock.

The evidence is clear that Trump has no intention of following through with his threats.

The evidence is clear that immigrants from south of the border are at greater medical risk because of American' lower vaccination rates.

 

[ChrisL]

Vaccination Rates Among Immigrants Are a Legitimate Concern

Vaccination Rates Among Immigrants Are a Legitimate Concern


By CIS, February 9, 2015

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The spread of measles in the United States is undoubtedly driven by insufficient vaccination among natives. But this does not mean that the vaccination rate among immigrant groups is unimportant, or that one must be "anti-immigrant" to worry about it. In fact, low vaccination rates in the United States, regrettable as they are, make it all the more important to be vigilant about what diseases may be carried across our borders. It is probably not a coincidence that the current outbreak has been traced to Disneyland, which is a common destination for international travelers.

Some advocates of mass immigration seem to regard any such concern as illegitimate, at least when it comes to immigrants from Latin America. A recent post on the Think Progress blog ridicules Rep. Mo Brooks (R-Ala.) for suggesting that the outbreak of measles has its origin south of the border. Think Progress cites 2012 data from the World Health Organization (WHO) that show the measles vaccination rate in Mexico is 99 percent — much better than the U.S. rate of 92 percent — and that vaccination rates in most Central American nations exceed the U.S. rate as well.

But how reliable are those numbers? The WHO's vaccination estimates are oddly lower in 2013 for Mexico, Guatemala, Honduras, and Panama:



Measles Vaccination Rate Estimates (Percent of Population)

Source: World Health Organization.

Irrelevant, if they aren't being cleared from a medical standpoint, you don't know if they've had vaccinations or not.

Absolutely rebuts your comments and are very relevant. Next.

Not at all. There was no rebuttal there. If they haven't been cleared medically, then you don't know.

The article clearly points out the immigrants are at greater risk from Americans, so yeah your argument is failed.

So, the CDC just makes immigrants go through a medical check just for the hell of it? No risks there, am I right? Now I see why everyone calls you "fakey." You suck.

 

[ChrisL]

I post clear and convincing evidence that Correll and ChrisL are incorrect and all they can do is run a red herring, or deny, or go all "nuh uh."

The evidence is clear that Trump has no intention of following through with his threats.

The evidence is clear that immigrants from south of the border are at greater medical risk because of American' lower vaccination rates.

That seems like what you are doing. Lol.

 

[ChrisL]

It is important that all immigrants pass a medical health screening and that we be assured their vaccinations are up to date and that they have no communicable diseases. End of story on that.

 

[JakeStarkey]

I post clear and convincing evidence that Correll and ChrisL are incorrect and all they can do is run a red herring, or deny, or go all "nuh uh."

The evidence is clear that Trump has no intention of following through with his threats.

The evidence is clear that immigrants from south of the border are at greater medical risk because of American' lower vaccination rates.

That seems like what you are doing. Lol.

Only in a righty's unbalanced understanding of facts.

Everyone, immigrant or citizen, should pass medical screenings and be up to date on vaccinations.

 

[ChrisL]

I post clear and convincing evidence that Correll and ChrisL are incorrect and all they can do is run a red herring, or deny, or go all "nuh uh" or foolishly accuse one of being a sock.

The evidence is clear that Trump has no intention of following through with his threats.

The evidence is clear that immigrants from south of the border are at greater medical risk because of American' lower vaccination rates.

Get off your trump rant and address the serious issues about immigration, you partisan POS.

 

[ChrisL]

I post clear and convincing evidence that Correll and ChrisL are incorrect and all they can do is run a red herring, or deny, or go all "nuh uh."

The evidence is clear that Trump has no intention of following through with his threats.

The evidence is clear that immigrants from south of the border are at greater medical risk because of American' lower vaccination rates.

That seems like what you are doing. Lol.

Only in a right's unbalanced understanding of facts.

I posted links and the guidelines recommended according to the CDC, you idiot.

 

[ChrisL]

I post clear and convincing evidence that Correll and ChrisL are incorrect and all they can do is run a red herring, or deny, or go all "nuh uh."

The evidence is clear that Trump has no intention of following through with his threats.

The evidence is clear that immigrants from south of the border are at greater medical risk because of American' lower vaccination rates.

That seems like what you are doing. Lol.

Only in a right's unbalanced understanding of facts.

Everyone, immigrant or citizen, should pass medical screenings and be up to date on vaccinations.

And illegal immigrants are NOT having to undergo any medical screenings, idiot.