Covid-19 Prediction

"Which is about the same, if not slightly longer, than the vaccine.
Notice how there's always a "new" flu shot each year ...."
Please note that the reason we have a new flu vaccine every year is that the flu mutates over time, meaning you're not being vaccinated for the same virus, just for a very, very similar virus. It's why you're not getting the same vaccine, you're getting a very similar vaccine tailored to the projected strain (and sometimes they vaccinate for the wrong strain, resulting in a much, much less effective vaccine).

The vaccine, interestingly enough, has the known potential to cause aprion disease. It's unknown whether it will or not, but, well, that's the point. Some of the proteins in the spike protein may be capable of setting off the characteristic chain reactions of a prion disease (one protein converts another, converts another, etc.). It's actually possible that COVID itself is dangerous in part because of this mechanism. Theoretically the computer generated vaccine protein should be free of such possibilities, but lacking extensive experimentation and testing we really cannot know that something wasn't missed.
I'd link a source, but I learned this through word of mouth from a doctor, so I don't have one in particular. The basic premises shouldn't be hard to prove or corroborate though.
 
"Which is about the same, if not slightly longer, than the vaccine.
Notice how there's always a "new" flu shot each year ...."
Please note that the reason we have a new flu vaccine every year is that the flu mutates over time, meaning you're not being vaccinated for the same virus, just for a very, very similar virus. It's why you're not getting the same vaccine, you're getting a very similar vaccine tailored to the projected strain (and sometimes they vaccinate for the wrong strain, resulting in a much, much less effective vaccine).

The vaccine, interestingly enough, has the known potential to cause aprion disease. It's unknown whether it will or not, but, well, that's the point. Some of the proteins in the spike protein may be capable of setting off the characteristic chain reactions of a prion disease (one protein converts another, converts another, etc.). It's actually possible that COVID itself is dangerous in part because of this mechanism. Theoretically the computer generated vaccine protein should be free of such possibilities, but lacking extensive experimentation and testing we really cannot know that something wasn't missed.
I'd link a source, but I learned this through word of mouth from a doctor, so I don't have one in particular. The basic premises shouldn't be hard to prove or corroborate though.
^ That's pretty much what I thought I was saying~implying.

Some things which we get innoculated for, like polio, tend to change little, others like influenza change frequently.

Covid-2 is just part of a chain from Covid-1 to SARS~MERS~Asian Flu, Swine Flu, etc.; most all of which came out from CCP-China. If anyone is to be "blamed" it would be them since the first signs were back around October-November of 2019 and they (CCP-China) and WHO weren't giving out much info until around February-March of 2020.

I can't fault Trump for his initial response given the limited information to work with. Considering how his "usual suspects" critics first chastised him for "over-reacting" with his travel bans, than later said "he didn't do enough, early enough" it seems clear we are dealing with the usual "Monday morning quarterbacks" whom are usally clueless at the time but claim to be wise in hindsight.

A reminder folks that it was the CCP-China that kept relatively mum on the future pandemic situation until AFTER, hundreds of thousands had traveled throughout and into~out of China for the New Year's celebrations. Only after this opportunity to spread the disease globally did CCP-China decide to "warn" the World.

If any is to blame as a key party to the pandemic, it is the source and major spreader - CCP China! :mad:
 
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Fall and Winter should be high peak season for Covid, but the death rate will be lower and all that will be required is masking up this time...


Fall and winter are high peak season for The Flu, of which Covid is a category. Unsurprisingly, virtually no flu deaths were reported for the 2020-2021 season as the government cooked the books to spread SCAMdemic fear. Now, they have revised the PCR test criteria to reduce case counts in prep for spiking it again when they revert to the fake method to create a new fear cycle.

Don't Believe Them.
EXACTLY!

My wife and I had "covid" back in early April. Took free test and it was 'positive', did the quarantine at home for 10-14 days. It was basically another flu as far as the cough, sore throat, congestion, etc. for a few days and low energy for a few more after that. IIRC, I've had worse cases of annual Cold and Flu in years past. Fortunately, neither of us have serious co-morbidity conditions, otherwise could have been worse experience.

We were advised we'd have to wait at least 90 days before taking the vaccine, but since we now have immune system tweaked to deal with it and the anti-bodies in us, why bother?

Hopefully, if they go for need to have "vaccine passport" that will include an "already had it" passport as well.

Speaking of comorbidity, last time I looked, about 94% of deaths claimed to be "because of covid" also had serious comorbidity conditions (usually about 2-3 of such) so one could say they died wioth, not from covid. Looks like only about 6% were covid alone.

Rather interesting how when we usually have about 40-50,000+ deaths a year from "the flu", that's dropped down into four digit range and "covid" is taking it's place. I really doubt "the flu" decided to go away this past year.

A study done at Washington University School of Medicine in St. Louis believes this protection from COVID will likely last for the rest of their lives. Another study to add to the ones that you posted earlier.

 
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From what I have read, the antibodies from having covid-19 only last about 6 to 9 months.
Not meant to "spam" so much as provide information from one thread to another in case some only read one of the two.
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Not so hard to find if one is competent at basic internet/web searching, ...
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January 26, 2021

Lasting immunity found after recovery from COVID-19​

At a Glance​

  • The immune systems of more than 95% of people who recovered from COVID-19 had durable memories of the virus up to eight months after infection.
  • The results provide hope that people receiving SARS-CoV-2 vaccines will develop similar lasting immune memories after vaccination.

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After people recover from infection with a virus, the immune system retains a memory of it. Immune cells and proteins that circulate in the body can recognize and kill the pathogen if it’s encountered again, protecting against disease and reducing illness severity.

This long-term immune protection involves several components. Antibodies—proteins that circulate in the blood—recognize foreign substances like viruses and neutralize them. Different types of T cells help recognize and kill pathogens. B cells make new antibodies when the body needs them.

All of these immune-system components have been found in people who recover from SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19. But the details of this immune response and how long it lasts after infection have been unclear. Scattered reports of reinfection with SARS-CoV-2 have raised concerns that the immune response to the virus might not be durable.
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The research was funded in part by NIH’s National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID) and National Cancer Institute (NCI). Results were published on January 6, 2021, in Science.

The researchers found durable immune responses in the majority of people studied. Antibodies against the spike protein of SARS-CoV-2, which the virus uses to get inside cells, were found in 98% of participants one month after symptom onset. As seen in previous studies, the number of antibodies ranged widely between individuals. But, promisingly, their levels remained fairly stable over time, declining only modestly at 6 to 8 months after infection.

Virus-specific B cells increased over time. People had more memory B cells six months after symptom onset than at one month afterwards. Although the number of these cells appeared to reach a plateau after a few months, levels didn’t decline over the period studied.

Levels of T cells for the virus also remained high after infection. Six months after symptom onset, 92% of participants had CD4+ T cells that recognized the virus. These cells help coordinate the immune response. About half the participants had CD8+ T cells, which kill cells that are infected by the virus.
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Obviously, after little more than a year of global exposure and infection from Covid-19, research results will be a bit varied and debatable, so the following other articles on immunity needed to be considered in that perspective;

How Protective Is Natural Immunity From COVID-19?​


Coronavirus infection leads to immunity that’s comparable to a COVID-19 vaccine​


Covid-19 immunity likely lasts for years​

A new study shows immune cells primed to fight the coronavirus should persist for a long time after someone is vaccinated or recovers from infection.
[Note MIT limits number of free articles.]

After recovering from COVID-19, are you immune?​

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As coronavirus spreads across the globe, a crucial question has emerged: After recovering from an infection, are people immune?


This question is important for understanding who can safely go back to work, as well as for understanding how long the worst impacts of the pandemic are likely to last. Because the virus is so new, the answer isn't fully understood. But so far, scientists say, it looks like SARS-CoV-2 probably induces immunity like other coronaviruses. That means that the human body will probably retain a memory of the virus for at least a few years and should be protected from reinfection, at least in the short-term.
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If You Had Covid, Do You Need the Vaccine?​

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Vaccines have long been held the mainstay against maladies that previously in history have destroyed large swaths of the population. Polio, Mumps-Measles and Rubella (MMR), Chicken Pox and Pertussis come to mind among others. Vaccines have proven efficacy against certain transmissible infectious diseases. The majority of these successful vaccines have had a commonality in that they generally target infectious pathogens with a low rate of mutation. These mutations are due in part to selection pressures both from natural immunity and from the vaccinal component. It is a foregone conclusion that given time, viruses are mutable and thus all viruses will mutate and create “variant strains” to escape antibody-mediated immunity. This “escape” is more common in fast replicating viruses such as Influenza and other coronavirus illnesses. “A lot of the mutations are down to faults in the ‘proof-reading’ operation when the DNA or RNA multiplies or replicates.” It is estimated that “the SARS-CoV-2 virus is known to accumulate…two single nucleotide mutations per genome month.” In terms of pressure on the pathogen, some even argue that the combination of containment strategies such as lockdowns, school closures, societal restrictions, and mass vaccinations also help drive the emergence of variants and this is to be clarified and validated further for this current pandemic.

This then brings us to some troubling issues that need to be reconciled. We are concerned about the future implications of the proposed and ongoing mass Covid-19 vaccination of the populace (and for our purposes here we define the ‘vaccine’ as any of the mRNA vaccines in use currently), its selection pressure effect, and indeed the potential for longer-term chronic effects (if any) on humans. We hope to show that there is an urgent need for debate on the issue of vaccinating people who have already recovered from Covid-19. We will be as clear as possible at the outset, that we believe it is not only potentially unsafe but we can argue it is unsafe, to indiscriminately vaccinate the recently or currently infected. We argue against this and are hoping that the US government and other governments and their regulators will reflect deeply and urgently on the issues. We reason below that these ‘Emergency Use’ Authorized vaccines do not meet the criteria for a fully Biologically licensed vaccine that takes years of efficacy and safety data. There are data that support that if you vaccinate persons who are infected or have been infected, there is evidence of potential adverse events/harms. Why are we not screening/testing persons for existing or prior infection prior to vaccination? Such screening should include PCR testing and Antibody testing at a minimum as a prelude to vaccinations. We believe that given the accumulated knowledge over the past year that indiscriminate application of mass vaccination is contrary to the Hippocratic dictum of “Primum Non Nocere.” We raise these objections on the available scientific data and not on any emotional appeal. We consider this of utmost importance that the scientific community engage in a debate over the objections we raise and involve the policy makers to use real science as the benchmark for any further present and future decision-making.
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Natural and acquired immunity

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I may look for some of the mRNA related articles, but most persons of average intelligence and basic science education should know that DNA is genetic sequences instructing how to make cells and RNA is genetic instructions on how the cells are to operate. Implication then is that an mRNA vaccine is reprogramming the cells biological operations instructions.

This is where actual length of time in testing is more effective and informative versus "parallel", as was done with current vaccines, because long-term cumulative effects can't be gauged via the "parallel" testing process.

Excellent articles and finds. Thanks for the info.
 

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