Creationists

[UltimateReality]

Did I mention I went to Chik Fil A yesterday??? There were about 10 protestors there along with over 350 cusomters waiting in line at 5 pm. What always strikes me about homosexual activism is their need to force me to accept their behavior. They aren't just good with living their life out with their same sex partner. They are intent, by law or social convention (PC movement), to force me at least in action, to accept their behavior. I will tell you one thing I have realized in all my years, that is, people that are TRULY good with their life choices don't feel the need to force strangers to accept them. It is the ones that are still struggling with their choice, that need to force acceptance from others. The reason I relate this story is because it reminds me alot of Holly. If he/she was really good with atheism, he/she wouldn't be here trying to convince a bunch of Theists that her way was the best way. She would just go about her business living her life, unconcerned about other's choice to believe in God. The thing Holly's words scream LOUDER than anything else, is that she herself is not convinced of her atheism. She diligently works to put down everyone else in hopes that it will somehow convince her she is right. If she can make others look foolish in the theism, maybe it will lead to her own acceptance of her chosen religion. I'm guessing her denial of her childhood religion is due to some moral dilemma she found herself in. She made a choice that didn't conform to hers and her parents religion, so rather than abandon her choice, she abandoned her religion. But even to this day she is not fully convinced.

 

[Youwerecreated]

Did I mention I went to Chik Fil A yesterday??? There were about 10 protestors there along with over 350 cusomters waiting in line at 5 pm. What always strikes me about homosexual activism is their need to force me to accept their behavior. They aren't just good with living their life out with their same sex partner. They are intent, by law or social convention (PC movement), to force me at least in action, to accept their behavior. I will tell you one thing I have realized in all my years, that is, people that are TRULY good with their life choices don't feel the need to force strangers to accept them. It is the ones that are still struggling with their choice, that need to force acceptance from others. The reason I relate this story is because it reminds me alot of Holly. If he/she was really good with atheism, he/she wouldn't be here trying to convince a bunch of Theists that her way was the best way. She would just go about her business living her life, unconcerned about other's choice to believe in God. The thing Holly's words scream LOUDER than anything else, is that she herself is not convinced of her atheism. She diligently works to put down everyone else in hopes that it will somehow convince her she is right. If she can make others look foolish in the theism, maybe it will lead to her own acceptance of her chosen religion. I'm guessing her denial of her childhood religion is due to some moral dilemma she found herself in. She made a choice that didn't conform to hers and her parents religion, so rather than abandon her choice, she abandoned here religion. But even to this day she is not fully convinced.

Bravo !!!

 

[UltimateReality]

Did I mention I went to Chik Fil A yesterday??? There were about 10 protestors there along with over 350 cusomters waiting in line at 5 pm. What always strikes me about homosexual activism is their need to force me to accept their behavior. They aren't just good with living their life out with their same sex partner. They are intent, by law or social convention (PC movement), to force me at least in action, to accept their behavior. I will tell you one thing I have realized in all my years, that is, people that are TRULY good with their life choices don't feel the need to force strangers to accept them. It is the ones that are still struggling with their choice, that need to force acceptance from others. The reason I relate this story is because it reminds me alot of Holly. If he/she was really good with atheism, he/she wouldn't be here trying to convince a bunch of Theists that her way was the best way. She would just go about her business living her life, unconcerned about other's choice to believe in God. The thing Holly's words scream LOUDER than anything else, is that she herself is not convinced of her atheism. She diligently works to put down everyone else in hopes that it will somehow convince her she is right. If she can make others look foolish in the theism, maybe it will lead to her own acceptance of her chosen religion. I'm guessing her denial of her childhood religion is due to some moral dilemma she found herself in. She made a choice that didn't conform to hers and her parents religion, so rather than abandon her choice, she abandoned here religion. But even to this day she is not fully convinced.

Bravo !!!

I might add, lest anyone should get the wrong meaning from my post, that God makes it extremely clear in the Bible that Jesus died for EVERYONE sins. Those folks struggling with homosexuality are not excluded from His love. The Bible says that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. Not after we stopped sinning, not after we started doing good, but while we were still sinning, He died for us.

 

[newpolitics]

Did I mention I went to Chik Fil A yesterday??? There were about 10 protestors there along with over 350 cusomters waiting in line at 5 pm. What always strikes me about homosexual activism is their need to force me to accept their behavior. They aren't just good with living their life out with their same sex partner. They are intent, by law or social convention (PC movement), to force me at least in action, to accept their behavior. I will tell you one thing I have realized in all my years, that is, people that are TRULY good with their life choices don't feel the need to force strangers to accept them. It is the ones that are still struggling with their choice, that need to force acceptance from others. The reason I relate this story is because it reminds me alot of Holly. If he/she was really good with atheism, he/she wouldn't be here trying to convince a bunch of Theists that her way was the best way. She would just go about her business living her life, unconcerned about other's choice to believe in God. The thing Holly's words scream LOUDER than anything else, is that she herself is not convinced of her atheism. She diligently works to put down everyone else in hopes that it will somehow convince her she is right. If she can make others look foolish in the theism, maybe it will lead to her own acceptance of her chosen religion. I'm guessing her denial of her childhood religion is due to some moral dilemma she found herself in. She made a choice that didn't conform to hers and her parents religion, so rather than abandon her choice, she abandoned her religion. But even to this day she is not fully convinced.

Did it ever occur to you that homosexuals are a minority group? That they are hated, by the likes of Christians mostly, who are a majority and have vast political power and majority sway in the united states? As such, homosexual are targeted by the exact kind of sentiment you are displaying here, in the form of hateful rhetoric, hate crimes, murders, etc... (mathew shephard ring a bell??). It is funny that you attribute their pleas for empathy for insecurity, when it is in fact for their physical safety and survival, something you take for granted because you are not gay. You have just illustrated EXACTLY why religious faith is so harmful: ignorance to yourself.

 

[UltimateReality]

Did I mention I went to Chik Fil A yesterday??? There were about 10 protestors there along with over 350 cusomters waiting in line at 5 pm. What always strikes me about homosexual activism is their need to force me to accept their behavior. They aren't just good with living their life out with their same sex partner. They are intent, by law or social convention (PC movement), to force me at least in action, to accept their behavior. I will tell you one thing I have realized in all my years, that is, people that are TRULY good with their life choices don't feel the need to force strangers to accept them. It is the ones that are still struggling with their choice, that need to force acceptance from others. The reason I relate this story is because it reminds me alot of Holly. If he/she was really good with atheism, he/she wouldn't be here trying to convince a bunch of Theists that her way was the best way. She would just go about her business living her life, unconcerned about other's choice to believe in God. The thing Holly's words scream LOUDER than anything else, is that she herself is not convinced of her atheism. She diligently works to put down everyone else in hopes that it will somehow convince her she is right. If she can make others look foolish in the theism, maybe it will lead to her own acceptance of her chosen religion. I'm guessing her denial of her childhood religion is due to some moral dilemma she found herself in. She made a choice that didn't conform to hers and her parents religion, so rather than abandon her choice, she abandoned her religion. But even to this day she is not fully convinced.

Did it ever occur to you that homosexuals are a minority group? That they are hated, by the likes of Christians mostly, who are a majority and have vast political power and majority sway in the united states? As such, homosexual are targeted by the exact kind of sentiment you are displaying here, in the form of hateful rhetoric, hate crimes, murders, etc... (mathew shephard ring a bell??). It is funny that you attribute their pleas for empathy for insecurity, when it is in fact for their physical safety and survival, something you take for granted because you are not gay. You have just illustrated EXACTLY why religious faith is so harmful: ignorance to yourself.

Did it ever occur to you that the "so-called" Christians that lash out at homosexuals are a minority group. That homosexual activists hate ALL Christians because of a few bad eggs. Did it ever occur to you that when your in it, you can't see it? That your worldview is totally skewed due to your self serviing or saliency bias?

Your twisted perception causes you to think that I was referring to homosexuals plea for empathy. I don't think that telling a business owner you are going to try and destroy his business because you disagree with his religious beliefs is a plea for empathy, do you? This is militant activism and its what I'm talking about. Homosexual activists are attempting to change the status quo. They are the ones fighting for change. Those that resist change because of a 4000 year old tradition are labeled intolerant and attacked. It is funny how the left is always preaching tolerance. But really, their idea of tolerance is accepting someone as long as they believe the same way. Do you see an issue with that?

So does your freedom to behave as you want trump my freedom of religion guaranteed by the Bill of Rights? The Bible teaches that adultery is sin. It teaches fornication is sin. It also teaches homosexuality is sin. The Bible also teaches we are all born into sin. So Lady Gaga is right, we are all born this way. But does that give us free reign to act on every impulse and urge? Most male urges are to copulate just about any woman with a pulse. But acting on this urge would most likely land you in jail and it wouldn't make for a very successful marriage. The same is true for the sin of homosexuality or alcoholism. Just because you have the urge, does not mean it is right. This is according to my religion. We live in a great country. You are free to behave as you wish as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else. I don't believe any Christian can pass judgement on any sinner. Jesus said let him who has no sin cast the first stone. The issues come when social and traditional lines are crossed, when activists attempt to force their beliefs down someone else's throat, to force acceptance of a practice they are taught is immoral. This is where the clash occurs. I don't have to agree with your lifestyle to be your friend. I really think it goes back to my paragraph above. Gay activists know it is a touchy subject. A high percentage of gay males could care less about being marriage. But they seek it to aggravate the religious people, to attack the religious sacrament of marriage. And you know what it really boils down to? Government operating outside their sphere. If they weren't giving away so much free stuff and tax breaks, no one would care if they called it a union or a marriage. Your dramatic statement that it is about physical safety and survival just doesn't hold any water and is not based in statistical reality. Thousands more Christians die from persecution worldwide than do homosexuals from hate crimes.

Dan Cathy said he supported traditional family values and he was attacked for his religious beliefs. Chik Fil A then issued a statement, but do you think that mattered to the angry hate-filled activists? From Dave Bohon (New American): The resulting national backlash from the homosexual activist community — which, among other actions, encouraged a boycott of Chick-fil-A restaurants — prompted the restaurant chain to remind the public that it exists to sell chicken sandwiches, not fight political battles. In a July 19 statement the chain said that it would “leave the policy debate over same-sex marriage to the government and political arena,” and that its restaurants would continue to focus on treating “every person with honor, dignity and respect — regardless of their belief, race, creed, sexual orientation, or gender.”

Who are the real bullies? This guy is a real idiot and shows a complete total lack of understanding of the Christian religion. The liberal left is so stupid it makes me sick. When was the last time a bunch of Christians got together and hung some homosexuals?? Yet Diane Sawyer sings the praises of Muslims everywhere, and in the same breath promotes same sex marriage. Islam calls for the beheading of homosexuals and over 4,000 have been executed in Iran in the last 10 years. But ABC tells us we must be tolerant of Islam and same sex marriage in the same breath. The left is so foolish. Christianity teaches everyone has value in God's eyes. It teaches we are all sinners in need of a Savior and that applies to adulterers, fornicators, murderers and homosexuals. Anyone teaching anything else and calling it Christianity is a liar.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alXxsKLVofM]Dan Savage discusses bible at High School Journalism convention - YouTube[/ame]

 

[UltimateReality]

"Massimo Introvigne, a human rights representative for the Organisation for Security and Cooperation in Europe, has told an OSCE meeting in Bodollo, Hungary, that 105,000 people are killed every year because of their Christian faith."

Report: Christian dies for beliefs every 5 minutes

"After the Revolution of 1917, the Bolsheviks undertook a massive program to remove the influence of the Russian Orthodox Church from the government and Russian society, and to make the state atheist. The Soviet Union was the first state to have as an ideological objective the elimination of religion. Toward that end, the Communist regime confiscated church property, ridiculed religion, harassed believers, and propagated atheism in the schools. Actions toward particular religions, however, were determined by State interests, and most organized religions were never outlawed. It is estimated that 500,000 Russian Orthodox Christians were martyred in the gulags by the Soviet government, not including torture or other Christian denominations killed."

Persecution of Christians - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"Around the world, hundreds of people are killed every year just for being gay. Ben Summerskill, chief executive of the UK lesbian gay and bisexual rights organisation Stonewall, said: "We are mindful that however remarkable the progress we might be making in Britain is, there are countries around the world where people still live in fear of their lives just because of the way they were born."

More than 70 countries make being gay a crime - World Politics - World - The Independent

LGBT rights in Brazil - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Highest Number Of Anti-Gay Murders Ever Reported In 2011: The National Coalition of Anti-Violence Programs

This is all tragic.

 

[Youwerecreated]

Did I mention I went to Chik Fil A yesterday??? There were about 10 protestors there along with over 350 cusomters waiting in line at 5 pm. What always strikes me about homosexual activism is their need to force me to accept their behavior. They aren't just good with living their life out with their same sex partner. They are intent, by law or social convention (PC movement), to force me at least in action, to accept their behavior. I will tell you one thing I have realized in all my years, that is, people that are TRULY good with their life choices don't feel the need to force strangers to accept them. It is the ones that are still struggling with their choice, that need to force acceptance from others. The reason I relate this story is because it reminds me alot of Holly. If he/she was really good with atheism, he/she wouldn't be here trying to convince a bunch of Theists that her way was the best way. She would just go about her business living her life, unconcerned about other's choice to believe in God. The thing Holly's words scream LOUDER than anything else, is that she herself is not convinced of her atheism. She diligently works to put down everyone else in hopes that it will somehow convince her she is right. If she can make others look foolish in the theism, maybe it will lead to her own acceptance of her chosen religion. I'm guessing her denial of her childhood religion is due to some moral dilemma she found herself in. She made a choice that didn't conform to hers and her parents religion, so rather than abandon her choice, she abandoned her religion. But even to this day she is not fully convinced.

Did it ever occur to you that homosexuals are a minority group? That they are hated, by the likes of Christians mostly, who are a majority and have vast political power and majority sway in the united states? As such, homosexual are targeted by the exact kind of sentiment you are displaying here, in the form of hateful rhetoric, hate crimes, murders, etc... (mathew shephard ring a bell??). It is funny that you attribute their pleas for empathy for insecurity, when it is in fact for their physical safety and survival, something you take for granted because you are not gay. You have just illustrated EXACTLY why religious faith is so harmful: ignorance to yourself.

Oh please, stop the nonsense. I have a sister that is gay and love her very much don't have to like her lifestyle to love the person. Jesus loves us all even though we have a sinful nature.

 

[Hollie]

religions and supernatural beliefs keep humanity in bondage, both mentally and physically. That matters because because countless numbers of people are made to live their lives in fear of things like hell and plagues and various "wraths", "curses" and "spells".

This is by far the scariest post you have made to date. In your skewed perception of reality, you ACTUALLY believe the world will be better off without religion. Well stand by my dear, because the effects of a Godless nation and a Godless world are playing out right before your eyes. Unbridled greed and worship of things is growing like mad. People are living more and more for themselves everyday. And don't you always find it odd that the same folks that are atheists are also the leftists that worship the environment over humans, scream for protection of animals but demand the right to kill unborn babies, and hate Capitalism, the one form of government that has produced the most wealth any nation in the world has ever seen, so much so that even the poorest poor are totally obese, and live comfortably in climate controlled bliss, cell phone in hand?? Sadly, you mistakenly believe that a world filled with atheists would be a better place. What you are dead wrong about is the nightmarish hell that would look like. Can you imagine everyone denying God and embracing themselves, free to live out every selfish desire that pops into their mind, like raping a child, or any other sick fantasy their depraved minds could imagine? That is not the world or a nation I want to live in. You're a fool if you think a world without religion is Utopia. Not just a fool, but dangerous. Your presence here tells me you aren't content to live out your beliefs in peace. You are on a mission of hate, to force everyone else to believe like you. You are no better than the Taliban.

John Adams in a speech to the military in 1798 warned his fellow countrymen stating, "We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion . . . Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."

Wow. There’s nothing creepier than being preached to by a virulently hateful religious zealot.

You should take the time to read the bible, cover to cover as I have. Not just selective passages, which most fundies do (if they even bother to read it at all). I have even read the endless "begats". If anything on earth convinced me that god (if he existed) had nothing at all to do with the Bible, it was reading the Bible itself. It is interesting mythology, and it has the greatest, most evil villain of all time in it. His name is Jehovah.

Let’s review for a moment some of yours gods behaviors as it seems to apply to your behaviors as well.

look at the world around you and you will see the result of the belief in mystical gods. You name a war, and I'll show you how religion was deeply a part of it. You tell me where the intolerance is today-- is it in the rational world, like with scientists? Who hates gays the most -- even now when homosexuality is considered to be as "abnormal" as being left-handed? Who keeps claiming they are the ones with the Truth, and all others are wrong? Who keeps alive the myths of Hell, where people will burn in torment for eternity? The churches, the religious, believers. Something makes them believe in this way, and they all turn to their respective books and consider it truth, whereas all the other books are not. Consider the quotes from Leviticus 18:22
22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

and Lev 20:13
13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

By the way, in Lev 11:10 it says this:
10 And all that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of any living thing which is in the waters, they shall be an abomination unto you.

Now if homosexuality is decreed as a sin, why isn't eating lobster or clams casino equally a sin?

In your own cultural background, the churches never stood up against slavery or for civil rights. They defended their hatred and intolerance and bigotry by saying this was the way god wants things. You can create a seething cauldron of hell on earth and if enough people believe "this is the way god (insert name of any god here) wants it" then it will become acceptable. "I am on a mission from God!" cried Hitler publically and loudly in 1934. I agree. Given what believers of god have done to humanity, he sure was.

According to the bible, god wiped the planet of humanity (except for Noah and his family… and apparently more animals than the Titanic could have carried), because humanity was a disappointment to him. He promised never to destroy the world again by water, so next time (the Armageddon) he plans to use fire. God slaughters thousands and thousands by what the bible says, and he plans to slaughter billions more. Never has there been so evil a villain in all literature than Yahweh-- he kills relentlessly (Read the book of Joshua and try to imagine all those "rotten apple" kids and women-- all except those virgins, who were allowed to be taken away and raped by god's soldiers, the Hebrews)

Actually, man's ethics and morality beats out god by light-years. God tacitly and obviously approves of slavery (Jesus speaks of servants to a Master and never thinks to condemn the injustice of one man owning another)-- man finds it repulsive. God not only approves of war, he ignites them left and right -- man creates a United Nations in an attempt to stop war. God commits genocide without blinking an eye -- man imprisons mass murderers and is repulsed by wanton slaughter. God not only approves of raping young women, he specifically rewards his soldiers with them:

Numbers 31:17-18
17 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. 18 But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.

Man finds this an abomination (that's some great god you believe in, by the way!) This list goes on and on. God is not fair, in the bible he's a mass murderer and makes a sane, loving person want to recoil in disgust just reading about his atrocities (don't forget -- I don't believe any of this is god, I know this is all legend-- these things may have happened, but they were man being cruel to other men and in spite of god's viciousness, we've slowly overcome it.

Why? Because we use our reason to recognize such behavior is ultimately harmful to all of us.)

You can be a good person without giving two hoots about Jesus, as billions of non-Christians prove every day. Christians think this world was nothing but barbarians before Jesus-- when in actuality true barbarism sprung up rampantly after Jesus and his devoted fanatics started hacking at anyone who slightly disagreed with them (even the atrocities of the old testament as recounted above pale in comparison to the holocausts, pogrom, wars and genocides that the teachings of Jesus has inspired). You think the Greeks burned old women because they were witches? The greatest library of all time-- the Library at Alexandria --was created by the Greek Ionians-- men who believed in Zeus. It took a Christian to destroy their works and literally set us back 2,000 years. For god. Who, according to the bible, hates knowledge so much he made it the one thing forbidden in Eden-- "ye shall eat of all things but not of the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge -- for on that day, ye shall die" (they didn't die, as the serpent pointed out, they lived; God lied, Satan told the truth-- how ironic)

John Adams

"The question before the human race is, whether the God of nature shall govern the world by his own laws, or whether priests and kings shall rule it by fictitious miracles?"
-- John Adams, letter to Thomas Jefferson, June 20, 1815

Regarding Government Meddling With Religion

"We should begin by setting conscience free. When all men of all religions ... shall enjoy equal liberty, property, and an equal chance for honors and power ... we may expect that improvements will be made in the human character and the state of society."
-- John Adams, letter to Dr. Price, April 8, 1785

"I shall have liberty to think for myself without molesting others or being molested myself".
-- John Adams, letter to his brother-in-law, Richard Cranch, August 29, 1756


Regarding Religion Meddling with Government

"We think ourselves possessed, or, at least, we boast that we are so, of liberty of conscience on all subjects, and of the right of free inquiry and private judgment in all cases, and yet how far are we from these exalted privileges in fact! There exists, I believe, throughout the whole Christian world, a law which makes it blasphemy to deny or doubt the divine inspiration of all the books of the Old and New Testaments, from Genesis to Revelations. In most countries of Europe it is punished by fire at the stake, or the rack, or the wheel. In England itself it is punished by boring through the tongue with a red-hot poker. In America it is not better; even in our own Massachusetts, which I believe, upon the whole, is as temperate and moderate in religious zeal as most of the States, a law was made in the latter end of the last century, repealing the cruel punishments of the former laws, but substituting fine and imprisonment upon all those blasphemers upon any book of the Old Testament or New. Now, what free inquiry, when a writer must surely encounter the risk of fine or imprisonment for adducing any argument for investigating into the divine authority of those books? Who would run the risk of translating Dupuis? But I cannot enlarge upon this subject, though I have it much at heart. I think such laws a great embarrassment, great obstructions to the improvement of the human mind. Books that cannot bear examination, certainly ought not to be established as divine inspiration by penal laws. It is true, few persons appear desirous to put such laws in execution, and it is also true that some few persons are hardy enough to venture to depart from them. But as long as they continue in force as laws, the human mind must make an awkward and clumsy progress in its investigations. I wish they were repealed. The substance and essence of Christianity, as I understand it, is eternal and unchangeable, and will bear examination forever, but it has been mixed with extraneous ingredients, which I think will not bear examination, and they ought to be separated. Adieu."
-- John Adams, one of his last letters to Thomas Jefferson, January 23, 1825. Adams was 90, Jefferson 81 at the time; both died on July 4th of the following year, on the 50th anniversary of the signing of the Declaration of Independence.

"Thirteen governments [of the original states] thus founded on the natural authority of the people alone, without a pretence of miracle or mystery, and which are destined to spread over the northern part of that whole quarter of the globe, are a great point gained in favor of the rights of mankind."
-- John Adams, "A Defence of the Constitutions of Government of the United States of America"

Prophetic Statements Based on History

"The priesthood have, in all ancient nations, nearly monopolized learning.... And, even since the Reformation, when or where has existed a Protestant or dissenting sect who would tolerate A FREE INQUIRY? The blackest billingsgate, the most ungentlemanly insolence, the most yahooish brutality is patiently endured, countenanced, propagated, and applauded. But touch a solemn truth in collision with a dogma of a sect, though capable of the clearest proof, and you will soon find you have disturbed a nest, and the hornets will swarm about your legs and hands, and fly into your face and eyes."
-- John Adams, letter to John Taylor, 1814

But Hey, Don't Hold Back, John

"Numberless have been the systems of iniquity The most refined, sublime, extensive, and astonishing constitution of policy that ever was conceived by the mind of man was framed by the Romish clergy for the aggrandizement of their own Order They even persuaded mankind to believe, faithfully and undoubtingly, that God Almighty had entrusted them with the keys of heaven, whose gates they might open and close at pleasure ... with authority to license all sorts of sins and Crimes ... or withholding the rain of heaven and the beams of the sun; with the management of earthquakes, pestilence, and famine; nay, with the mysterious, awful, incomprehensible power of creating out of bread and wine the flesh and blood of God himself. All these opinions they were enabled to spread and rivet among the people by reducing their minds to a state of sordid ignorance and staring timidity, and by infusing into them a religious horror of letters and knowledge. Thus was human nature chained fast for ages in a cruel, shameful, and deplorable servitude....

Of all the nonsense and delusion which had ever passed through the mind of man, none had ever been more extravagant than the notions of absolutions, indelible characters, uninterrupted successions, and the rest of those fantastical ideas, derived from the canon law, which had thrown such a glare of mystery, sanctity, reverence, and right reverend eminence and holiness around the idea of a priest as no mortal could deserve ... the ridiculous fancies of sanctified effluvia from episcopal fingers."
-- John Adams, "A Dissertation on the Canon and the Feudal Law," printed in the Boston Gazette, August 1765

"The Church of Rome has made it an article of faith that no man can be saved out of their church, and all other religious sects approach this dreadful opinion in proportion to their ignorance, and the influence of ignorant or wicked priests."
-- John Adams, Diary and Autobiography

Positive Atheism's Big List of John Adams Quotations

 

[Hollie]

Did I mention I went to Chik Fil A yesterday??? There were about 10 protestors there along with over 350 cusomters waiting in line at 5 pm. What always strikes me about homosexual activism is their need to force me to accept their behavior. They aren't just good with living their life out with their same sex partner. They are intent, by law or social convention (PC movement), to force me at least in action, to accept their behavior. I will tell you one thing I have realized in all my years, that is, people that are TRULY good with their life choices don't feel the need to force strangers to accept them.

So why do fundie christians exhibit precisely the behavior you claim to reject: attempting to force your beliefs on others?

 

[Youwerecreated]

Did I mention I went to Chik Fil A yesterday??? There were about 10 protestors there along with over 350 cusomters waiting in line at 5 pm. What always strikes me about homosexual activism is their need to force me to accept their behavior. They aren't just good with living their life out with their same sex partner. They are intent, by law or social convention (PC movement), to force me at least in action, to accept their behavior. I will tell you one thing I have realized in all my years, that is, people that are TRULY good with their life choices don't feel the need to force strangers to accept them.

So why do fundie christians exhibit precisely the behavior you claim to reject: attempting to force your beliefs on others?

Dicussing God or our beliefs, how is that forcing our beliefs on you ? You have a choice to believe or not but our God expects us to share the gospels with others his sheep will know his voice and will follow.

 

[Hollie]

Did I mention I went to Chik Fil A yesterday??? There were about 10 protestors there along with over 350 cusomters waiting in line at 5 pm. What always strikes me about homosexual activism is their need to force me to accept their behavior. They aren't just good with living their life out with their same sex partner. They are intent, by law or social convention (PC movement), to force me at least in action, to accept their behavior. I will tell you one thing I have realized in all my years, that is, people that are TRULY good with their life choices don't feel the need to force strangers to accept them.

So why do fundie christians exhibit precisely the behavior you claim to reject: attempting to force your beliefs on others?

Dicussing God or our beliefs, how is that forcing our beliefs on you ? You have a choice to believe or not but our God expects us to share the gospels with others his sheep will know his voice and will follow.

Much like homosexual activists share their beliefs. The sheep will know their words and follow.

 

[Youwerecreated]

So why do fundie christians exhibit precisely the behavior you claim to reject: attempting to force your beliefs on others?

Dicussing God or our beliefs, how is that forcing our beliefs on you ? You have a choice to believe or not but our God expects us to share the gospels with others his sheep will know his voice and will follow.

Much like homosexual activists share their beliefs. The sheep will know their words and follow.

Believe as you wish,most Christians are not gay and don't agree with the gay lifestyle. All we can do is share the gospel and the rest is up to the person you shared it with. Man is not capable of knowing ones heart. God though has that ability and it is up to him to judge us all.

 

[Youwerecreated]

So why do fundie christians exhibit precisely the behavior you claim to reject: attempting to force your beliefs on others?

Dicussing God or our beliefs, how is that forcing our beliefs on you ? You have a choice to believe or not but our God expects us to share the gospels with others his sheep will know his voice and will follow.

Much like homosexual activists share their beliefs. The sheep will know their words and follow.

I was at my gay sisters home in california and we go over there alot. They have a lot of friends that are gay. Great people ,they are very nice and we enjoy their company as they do ours.

My sister and I struck up a conversation. I asked her you see my wife Judy and I hold hands exchange kisses,but you and your friends do not do the same I asked her why. She said well we have respect for your beliefs. I said if it's totally natural why don't you share the same feelings with your partner,she said well it's not totally our respect for your views but we don't feel comfortable expressing our feelings for one another in front of you. I asked her does that imply it's not totally natural living the lifestyle you do. It Got silent so I changed the subject.

For me that was evidence of her conscience telling her how she lives is wrong. I think I made my point and there is no need for me to say anymore on the subject the ball is in her court.

 

[Hollie]

Dicussing God or our beliefs, how is that forcing our beliefs on you ? You have a choice to believe or not but our God expects us to share the gospels with others his sheep will know his voice and will follow.

Much like homosexual activists share their beliefs. The sheep will know their words and follow.

Believe as you wish,most Christians are not gay and don't agree with the gay lifestyle. All we can do is share the gospel and the rest is up to the person you shared it with. Man is not capable of knowing ones heart. God though has that ability and it is up to him to judge us all.

First, I suppose I should remind you that there is no evidence of gods; any gods. By necessity, I must include your gods among all of the other alleged gods which have all dissipated into obscurity. Every one of the past and present configurations of gods has come from the imagination of mankind. Many of these configurations finding their way into various books written by mankind. It's just so convenient (and predictable), that all of the gods display attributes of human nature within these texts. That's not surprising as we know the texts were written by humans.

Mankind has a long history of inventing gods and supernatural agents to explain completely natural phenomenon. That broadly defines the entire history of invented gods, demons, saviors, etc. When humankind looks to gods and supernaturalism for answers to existence, we get a deafening silence, but when science looks to existence we see the radioactive background noise that supports a big bang, we see immense distances across the cosmos that defines an immensely old universe (not one that is 6,000 years old), we see clues from past life on earth that tells us of an ancient earth. It is science that is exploring and discovering, not the religious entities.

 

[Youwerecreated]

Much like homosexual activists share their beliefs. The sheep will know their words and follow.

Believe as you wish,most Christians are not gay and don't agree with the gay lifestyle. All we can do is share the gospel and the rest is up to the person you shared it with. Man is not capable of knowing ones heart. God though has that ability and it is up to him to judge us all.

First, I suppose I should remind you that there is no evidence of gods; any gods. By necessity, I must include your gods among all of the other alleged gods which have all dissipated into obscurity. Every one of the past and present configurations of gods has come from the imagination of mankind. Many of these configurations finding their way into various books written by mankind. It's just so convenient (and predictable), that all of the gods display attributes of human nature within these texts. That's not surprising as we know the texts were written by humans.

Mankind has a long history of inventing gods and supernatural agents to explain completely natural phenomenon. That broadly defines the entire history of invented gods, demons, saviors, etc. When humankind looks to gods and supernaturalism for answers to existence, we get a deafening silence, but when science looks to existence we see the radioactive background noise that supports a big bang, we see immense distances across the cosmos that defines an immensely old universe (not one that is 6,000 years old), we see clues from past life on earth that tells us of an ancient earth. It is science that is exploring and discovering, not the religious entities.

There is plenty of evidence of God but one has to be open to the possibility of God existing to see the evidence.

 

[Hollie]

Believe as you wish,most Christians are not gay and don't agree with the gay lifestyle. All we can do is share the gospel and the rest is up to the person you shared it with. Man is not capable of knowing ones heart. God though has that ability and it is up to him to judge us all.

First, I suppose I should remind you that there is no evidence of gods; any gods. By necessity, I must include your gods among all of the other alleged gods which have all dissipated into obscurity. Every one of the past and present configurations of gods has come from the imagination of mankind. Many of these configurations finding their way into various books written by mankind. It's just so convenient (and predictable), that all of the gods display attributes of human nature within these texts. That's not surprising as we know the texts were written by humans.

Mankind has a long history of inventing gods and supernatural agents to explain completely natural phenomenon. That broadly defines the entire history of invented gods, demons, saviors, etc. When humankind looks to gods and supernaturalism for answers to existence, we get a deafening silence, but when science looks to existence we see the radioactive background noise that supports a big bang, we see immense distances across the cosmos that defines an immensely old universe (not one that is 6,000 years old), we see clues from past life on earth that tells us of an ancient earth. It is science that is exploring and discovering, not the religious entities.

There is plenty of evidence of God but one has to be open to the possibility of God existing to see the evidence.

Substitute the Easter Bunny for the gods in your comment above.

It makes just as much sense.

 

[Youwerecreated]

First, I suppose I should remind you that there is no evidence of gods; any gods. By necessity, I must include your gods among all of the other alleged gods which have all dissipated into obscurity. Every one of the past and present configurations of gods has come from the imagination of mankind. Many of these configurations finding their way into various books written by mankind. It's just so convenient (and predictable), that all of the gods display attributes of human nature within these texts. That's not surprising as we know the texts were written by humans.

Mankind has a long history of inventing gods and supernatural agents to explain completely natural phenomenon. That broadly defines the entire history of invented gods, demons, saviors, etc. When humankind looks to gods and supernaturalism for answers to existence, we get a deafening silence, but when science looks to existence we see the radioactive background noise that supports a big bang, we see immense distances across the cosmos that defines an immensely old universe (not one that is 6,000 years old), we see clues from past life on earth that tells us of an ancient earth. It is science that is exploring and discovering, not the religious entities.

There is plenty of evidence of God but one has to be open to the possibility of God existing to see the evidence.

Substitute the Easter Bunny for the gods in your comment above.

It makes just as much sense.

OK, but I don't think the easter bunny could have created all we see. Rabbits don't show much intelligence do they ?

 

[Hollie]

There is plenty of evidence of God but one has to be open to the possibility of God existing to see the evidence.

Substitute the Easter Bunny for the gods in your comment above.

It makes just as much sense.

OK, but I don't think the easter bunny could have created all we see. Rabbits don't show much intelligence do they ?

We have no reason to conclude that your gods created anything. There is nothing in the natural world that would need a creator. The natural world has no need of supernaturalism.

 

[Youwerecreated]

Substitute the Easter Bunny for the gods in your comment above.

It makes just as much sense.

OK, but I don't think the easter bunny could have created all we see. Rabbits don't show much intelligence do they ?

We have no reason to conclude that your gods created anything. There is nothing in the natural world that would need a creator. The natural world has no need of supernaturalism.

Only the blind can't see the design in nature.

Isa 32:6 For the fool will speak folly, and his heart work iniquity, to practice hypocrisy and to speak error against Jehovah, to make the soul of the hungry empty, and he will take away the drink of the thirsty.
Isa 32:7 Also the weapons of the fool are evil; he thinks of wicked ways to destroy the poor with lying words, even when the needy speaks right.

 

[UltimateReality]

religions and supernatural beliefs keep humanity in bondage, both mentally and physically. That matters because because countless numbers of people are made to live their lives in fear of things like hell and plagues and various "wraths", "curses" and "spells".

This is by far the scariest post you have made to date. In your skewed perception of reality, you ACTUALLY believe the world will be better off without religion. Well stand by my dear, because the effects of a Godless nation and a Godless world are playing out right before your eyes. Unbridled greed and worship of things is growing like mad. People are living more and more for themselves everyday. And don't you always find it odd that the same folks that are atheists are also the leftists that worship the environment over humans, scream for protection of animals but demand the right to kill unborn babies, and hate Capitalism, the one form of government that has produced the most wealth any nation in the world has ever seen, so much so that even the poorest poor are totally obese, and live comfortably in climate controlled bliss, cell phone in hand?? Sadly, you mistakenly believe that a world filled with atheists would be a better place. What you are dead wrong about is the nightmarish hell that would look like. Can you imagine everyone denying God and embracing themselves, free to live out every selfish desire that pops into their mind, like raping a child, or any other sick fantasy their depraved minds could imagine? That is not the world or a nation I want to live in. You're a fool if you think a world without religion is Utopia. Not just a fool, but dangerous. Your presence here tells me you aren't content to live out your beliefs in peace. You are on a mission of hate, to force everyone else to believe like you. You are no better than the Taliban.

John Adams in a speech to the military in 1798 warned his fellow countrymen stating, "We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion . . . Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."

Wow. There’s nothing creepier than being preached to by a virulently hateful religious zealot.

You should take the time to read the bible, cover to cover as I have. Not just selective passages, which most fundies do (if they even bother to read it at all). I have even read the endless "begats". If anything on earth convinced me that god (if he existed) had nothing at all to do with the Bible, it was reading the Bible itself. It is interesting mythology, and it has the greatest, most evil villain of all time in it. His name is Jehovah.

Let’s review for a moment some of yours gods behaviors as it seems to apply to your behaviors as well.

look at the world around you and you will see the result of the belief in mystical gods. You name a war, and I'll show you how religion was deeply a part of it. You tell me where the intolerance is today-- is it in the rational world, like with scientists? Who hates gays the most -- even now when homosexuality is considered to be as "abnormal" as being left-handed? Who keeps claiming they are the ones with the Truth, and all others are wrong? Who keeps alive the myths of Hell, where people will burn in torment for eternity? The churches, the religious, believers. Something makes them believe in this way, and they all turn to their respective books and consider it truth, whereas all the other books are not. Consider the quotes from Leviticus 18:22
22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

and Lev 20:13
13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

By the way, in Lev 11:10 it says this:
10 And all that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of any living thing which is in the waters, they shall be an abomination unto you.

Now if homosexuality is decreed as a sin, why isn't eating lobster or clams casino equally a sin?

In your own cultural background, the churches never stood up against slavery or for civil rights. They defended their hatred and intolerance and bigotry by saying this was the way god wants things. You can create a seething cauldron of hell on earth and if enough people believe "this is the way god (insert name of any god here) wants it" then it will become acceptable. "I am on a mission from God!" cried Hitler publically and loudly in 1934. I agree. Given what believers of god have done to humanity, he sure was.

According to the bible, god wiped the planet of humanity (except for Noah and his family… and apparently more animals than the Titanic could have carried), because humanity was a disappointment to him. He promised never to destroy the world again by water, so next time (the Armageddon) he plans to use fire. God slaughters thousands and thousands by what the bible says, and he plans to slaughter billions more. Never has there been so evil a villain in all literature than Yahweh-- he kills relentlessly (Read the book of Joshua and try to imagine all those "rotten apple" kids and women-- all except those virgins, who were allowed to be taken away and raped by god's soldiers, the Hebrews)

Actually, man's ethics and morality beats out god by light-years. God tacitly and obviously approves of slavery (Jesus speaks of servants to a Master and never thinks to condemn the injustice of one man owning another)-- man finds it repulsive. God not only approves of war, he ignites them left and right -- man creates a United Nations in an attempt to stop war. God commits genocide without blinking an eye -- man imprisons mass murderers and is repulsed by wanton slaughter. God not only approves of raping young women, he specifically rewards his soldiers with them:

Numbers 31:17-18
17 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. 18 But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.

Man finds this an abomination (that's some great god you believe in, by the way!) This list goes on and on. God is not fair, in the bible he's a mass murderer and makes a sane, loving person want to recoil in disgust just reading about his atrocities (don't forget -- I don't believe any of this is god, I know this is all legend-- these things may have happened, but they were man being cruel to other men and in spite of god's viciousness, we've slowly overcome it.

Why? Because we use our reason to recognize such behavior is ultimately harmful to all of us.)

You can be a good person without giving two hoots about Jesus, as billions of non-Christians prove every day. Christians think this world was nothing but barbarians before Jesus-- when in actuality true barbarism sprung up rampantly after Jesus and his devoted fanatics started hacking at anyone who slightly disagreed with them (even the atrocities of the old testament as recounted above pale in comparison to the holocausts, pogrom, wars and genocides that the teachings of Jesus has inspired). You think the Greeks burned old women because they were witches? The greatest library of all time-- the Library at Alexandria --was created by the Greek Ionians-- men who believed in Zeus. It took a Christian to destroy their works and literally set us back 2,000 years. For god. Who, according to the bible, hates knowledge so much he made it the one thing forbidden in Eden-- "ye shall eat of all things but not of the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge -- for on that day, ye shall die" (they didn't die, as the serpent pointed out, they lived; God lied, Satan told the truth-- how ironic)

John Adams

"The question before the human race is, whether the God of nature shall govern the world by his own laws, or whether priests and kings shall rule it by fictitious miracles?"
-- John Adams, letter to Thomas Jefferson, June 20, 1815

Regarding Government Meddling With Religion

"We should begin by setting conscience free. When all men of all religions ... shall enjoy equal liberty, property, and an equal chance for honors and power ... we may expect that improvements will be made in the human character and the state of society."
-- John Adams, letter to Dr. Price, April 8, 1785

"I shall have liberty to think for myself without molesting others or being molested myself".
-- John Adams, letter to his brother-in-law, Richard Cranch, August 29, 1756


Regarding Religion Meddling with Government

"We think ourselves possessed, or, at least, we boast that we are so, of liberty of conscience on all subjects, and of the right of free inquiry and private judgment in all cases, and yet how far are we from these exalted privileges in fact! There exists, I believe, throughout the whole Christian world, a law which makes it blasphemy to deny or doubt the divine inspiration of all the books of the Old and New Testaments, from Genesis to Revelations. In most countries of Europe it is punished by fire at the stake, or the rack, or the wheel. In England itself it is punished by boring through the tongue with a red-hot poker. In America it is not better; even in our own Massachusetts, which I believe, upon the whole, is as temperate and moderate in religious zeal as most of the States, a law was made in the latter end of the last century, repealing the cruel punishments of the former laws, but substituting fine and imprisonment upon all those blasphemers upon any book of the Old Testament or New. Now, what free inquiry, when a writer must surely encounter the risk of fine or imprisonment for adducing any argument for investigating into the divine authority of those books? Who would run the risk of translating Dupuis? But I cannot enlarge upon this subject, though I have it much at heart. I think such laws a great embarrassment, great obstructions to the improvement of the human mind. Books that cannot bear examination, certainly ought not to be established as divine inspiration by penal laws. It is true, few persons appear desirous to put such laws in execution, and it is also true that some few persons are hardy enough to venture to depart from them. But as long as they continue in force as laws, the human mind must make an awkward and clumsy progress in its investigations. I wish they were repealed. The substance and essence of Christianity, as I understand it, is eternal and unchangeable, and will bear examination forever, but it has been mixed with extraneous ingredients, which I think will not bear examination, and they ought to be separated. Adieu."
-- John Adams, one of his last letters to Thomas Jefferson, January 23, 1825. Adams was 90, Jefferson 81 at the time; both died on July 4th of the following year, on the 50th anniversary of the signing of the Declaration of Independence.

"Thirteen governments [of the original states] thus founded on the natural authority of the people alone, without a pretence of miracle or mystery, and which are destined to spread over the northern part of that whole quarter of the globe, are a great point gained in favor of the rights of mankind."
-- John Adams, "A Defence of the Constitutions of Government of the United States of America"

Prophetic Statements Based on History

"The priesthood have, in all ancient nations, nearly monopolized learning.... And, even since the Reformation, when or where has existed a Protestant or dissenting sect who would tolerate A FREE INQUIRY? The blackest billingsgate, the most ungentlemanly insolence, the most yahooish brutality is patiently endured, countenanced, propagated, and applauded. But touch a solemn truth in collision with a dogma of a sect, though capable of the clearest proof, and you will soon find you have disturbed a nest, and the hornets will swarm about your legs and hands, and fly into your face and eyes."
-- John Adams, letter to John Taylor, 1814

But Hey, Don't Hold Back, John

"Numberless have been the systems of iniquity The most refined, sublime, extensive, and astonishing constitution of policy that ever was conceived by the mind of man was framed by the Romish clergy for the aggrandizement of their own Order They even persuaded mankind to believe, faithfully and undoubtingly, that God Almighty had entrusted them with the keys of heaven, whose gates they might open and close at pleasure ... with authority to license all sorts of sins and Crimes ... or withholding the rain of heaven and the beams of the sun; with the management of earthquakes, pestilence, and famine; nay, with the mysterious, awful, incomprehensible power of creating out of bread and wine the flesh and blood of God himself. All these opinions they were enabled to spread and rivet among the people by reducing their minds to a state of sordid ignorance and staring timidity, and by infusing into them a religious horror of letters and knowledge. Thus was human nature chained fast for ages in a cruel, shameful, and deplorable servitude....

Of all the nonsense and delusion which had ever passed through the mind of man, none had ever been more extravagant than the notions of absolutions, indelible characters, uninterrupted successions, and the rest of those fantastical ideas, derived from the canon law, which had thrown such a glare of mystery, sanctity, reverence, and right reverend eminence and holiness around the idea of a priest as no mortal could deserve ... the ridiculous fancies of sanctified effluvia from episcopal fingers."
-- John Adams, "A Dissertation on the Canon and the Feudal Law," printed in the Boston Gazette, August 1765

"The Church of Rome has made it an article of faith that no man can be saved out of their church, and all other religious sects approach this dreadful opinion in proportion to their ignorance, and the influence of ignorant or wicked priests."
-- John Adams, Diary and Autobiography

Positive Atheism's Big List of John Adams Quotations

I got through about the first three sentences of your post until I realized you were saying the exact same thing as before, which shows a total complete lack of understanding of the Christian story, so I didn't bother to read the rest. I explained it to you before so I won't waste my time again.

So it does beg the question though Holly, when was the last time a bunch Christians got together and stoned a homosexual??? This is not a rhetorical question.