Creationists

[Youwerecreated]

Once again showing your biblical tales and fables are easily dismantled and lacking validation when confronted with fact.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXH5lwMBNiE]Global Flood: Evidence for Rocks and Fossils - YouTube[/ame]

you gotta be fuckin'kidding.....

Offer a rebuttal, I am open to hear what you have to say.

 

[Youwerecreated]

Where do you think vestigial bones come from? Are they spare parts left over from tinkering by the gawds?

No they are not spare parts left over they are parts that have lost function over time showing that the curse on man for sin is alive and well. The list of such items are decreasing because they are finding many of these things still perform a function.

You are speaking of both bones and organs.

This is the level of your ability to debate science I get it.

 

[daws101]

So you're suggesting that neanderthals were less intelligent even though they had bigger brains underminding daws video yesterday.

hey slapdick niether of the clips I posted said or presented any thing about neanderthals....you are either confused or making shit up.

No I was blowing up your theory of evolution.

asshole you're attempting to bullshit your way out of what you just said.
who's dishonest again..?

 

[daws101]

Unlike you I don't suffer from tunnel vision and am thourough in most responses.

your own posts prove you wrong!

Sorry you have a problem grasping my posts

you lie and spout nonsense not hard to grasp at all!

 

[daws101]

Global Flood: Evidence for Rocks and Fossils - YouTube

you gotta be fuckin'kidding.....

Offer a rebuttal, I am open to hear what you have to say.

it rebuts it's self !

 

[Youwerecreated]

hey slapdick niether of the clips I posted said or presented any thing about neanderthals....you are either confused or making shit up.

No I was blowing up your theory of evolution.

asshole you're attempting to bullshit your way out of what you just said.
who's dishonest again..?

Daws no one has ever observed the brain of the neanderthal to give an opinion on intelligence don't you get it ? They could have been more intelligent they might not have been but nobody knows but we do know that they had the cranial capacity to have bigger brains.

An elephant has a bigger brain but they didn't build a ship and go to the moon. Clearly humans are more intelligent then any organism on this planet,why ? do you understand that many evolutionist made the claim that they were part beast and human and once said they they were dumb brutes.

Asshole ? if this is getting to be more then you can handle take a break and allow yourself to be taught.

 

[Youwerecreated]

your own posts prove you wrong!

Sorry you have a problem grasping my posts

you lie and spout nonsense not hard to grasp at all!

Was it you that started the accusation of chirality being a new buzz word ? you claimed I just recently used it knowing you and I discussed it earlier in the thread. Did you forget ? or not understand what Chirality was ? or maybe you were just lying to try and score cheap points hoping no one exposed your lie ?

 

[Youwerecreated]

you gotta be fuckin'kidding.....

Offer a rebuttal, I am open to hear what you have to say.

it rebuts it's self !

Typical response,you not wishing to engage me on the evidence provided unless you can run off and copy and paste some nonsense.

 

[Youwerecreated]

Daws I have family in for the holiday's Merry Christmas ! talk to you soon.

 

[Hollie]

Global Flood: Evidence for Rocks and Fossils - YouTube

you gotta be fuckin'kidding.....

Offer a rebuttal, I am open to hear what you have to say.

Rebuttal to claims of a 6000 year old earth and a biblical flood exist in science literature, academia and geology journals. It is, unfortunately, Christian creationist who attempt to promote falsehoods and ludicrous tales and fables that crumble under even casual scrutiny.

The Christian creationist ministries could certainly present their studies for peer review but of course, they won't. It's the pattern of behavior typical for creationist. They will instead, promote conspiracy theories that all the relevant science in all the universities and labs and all the relevant geology is purposely configured to denote an old earth. According to the fundies, it's a worldwide conspiracy.

 

[daws101]

That is only an assumption that those bones served no purpose.This teaching is based on an assumption that is then is taught as science, the assumption that the ancestry and function of the structure is known. using observational science, it is impossible to identify exact ancestors or even the exact function of structures because observational science deals with things that are observable in the here and now.

You don't understand what you're writing. Vestigial bones suggest remnants of anatomy that were once used and now serve no purpose. Whales, for example,

Why would the gawds add useless parts to humans and animals alike?

In humans they use to make the same claim concerning the appendix because we could live without the organ. They have found that the organ stores bacteria and Enzymes that aid in the digestive system.

The science community sometimes rush to an explanation only to be proven wrong later.

yet another fine example of ywc spining the facts!

Does the appendix have a function?
The appendix -- an organ barely 4 inches long -- causes much debate among medical professionals. In fact, doctors have trouble deciding if the appendix has any use to the body at all. While everyone agrees that the appendix can be removed without causing any adverse health consequences to the patient, some physicians and researchers believe that the appendix does serve a function as part of the immune system. Others feel that the appendix is a vestigial organ, a remainder from the time when humans regularly dined on tree bark and needed an additional organ to break down the roughage. Along with the disagreement over the true function of the appendix, there is no consensus if humans will always have this organ. Some doctors feel that the evolution of the human body will lead to the demise of the appendix, while others believe that the appendix will remain in the body, continuing to do whatever it does.


HowStuffWorks "Does the appendix have a function?"

the they ywc conveniently left out is : "some physicians and researchers believe that the appendix does serve a function as part of the immune system"
the operative words are SOME AND BELIEVE!

 

[daws101]

The neanderthals likely did not go extinct it is likely that they interbred with modern humans. Neanderthals were highly intelligent they lived in complex social groups, used tools, created structures, and used language. The primary advantage that homo sapiens had were the much larger social groups and the communication between them.

We do have bigger brains than Neanderthals did
Study through CT scans suggests we are distinguished by different mental capacities
Below:


Modern humans possess brain structures larger than their Neanderthal counterparts, suggesting we are distinguished from them by different mental capacities, scientists find.

We are currently the only extant human lineage, but Neanderthals, our closest-known evolutionary relatives, still walked the Earth as recently as maybe 24,000 years ago. Neanderthals were close enough to the modern human lineage to interbreed, calling into question how different they really were from us and whether they comprise a different species.

To find out more, researchers used CT scanners to map the interiors of five Neanderthal skulls as well as four fossil and 75 contemporary human skulls to determine the shapes of their brains in 3-D. Like modern humans, Neanderthals had larger brains than both our living ape relatives and other extinct human lineages.

The investigators discovered modern humans possess larger olfactory bulbs at the base of their brains. This area is linked primarily with smell, but also with other key mental functions such as memory and learning — central olfactory brain circuitry is physically very close to structures related to memory.

.."We all know from our personal experience about the intense links between smell and memory — for example, when, after years and as adults, we enter our old school building and by breathing and smelling the air of the stairways or of our old classroom, suddenly we are vividly and undecidedly transported back in our memory into our school days and associated experiences that we learned long ago," said researcher Markus Bastir, a paleoanthropologist at Spain's National Museum of Natural Sciences, in Madrid.

Intriguingly, smell may also play a social role, such as for recognizing family and friends and reinforcing group cohesion.

"In the German language — I am Austrian-born — we have a saying, 'Ich kann dich gut riechen,' which translates into English as, 'I can smell you well,' but means, 'I like you,'" Bastir told LiveScience. "That would reflect a linguistic example how smell relates to social behavior."

Compared with Neanderthals, modern humans also possess larger temporal lobes, an area near the base of the brain. "Neuroscientists relate temporal lobes with language functions, long-term memory, theory of mind (the ability to consider the perspective of others), and also emotions," Bastir said.

We also have a relatively wider orbitofrontal cortex than Neanderthals, a part of the brain immediately above the eyes. "The effects of the wider orbitofrontal cortex are difficult to evaluate," Bastir said. The area is linked with decision-making.

All in all, it remains unclear exactly how these brain differences might have set us apart from Neanderthals, Bastir cautioned. We only know how these skulls molded themselves around these brains, and not the precise structures of the brains in question.

In the future, Bastir and his colleagues would like to scan the interiors of more fossil skulls to refine their ideas about them. An implicit problem of the project is the fragility of the structures they would like to examine, he said.

The scientists detailed their findings online Tuesday in the journal Nature Communications.

Follow LiveScience for the latest in science news and discoveries on Twitter @livescience and on Facebook.

© 2012 LiveScience.com. All rights reserved.

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Neanderthals Were Too Smart to Survive - Softpedia

Neanderthal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

BBC - Science & Nature - Horizon

NeuroLogica Blog » Neanderthal Intelligence

Neanderthals Were Too Smart to Survive: December 21st, 2005, 09:41 = 12 years old

BBC - Science & Nature - September 2005= 12years old

NeuroLogica Blog » Neanderthal Intelligence Aug
26
2008 = 4years old
weren't you the guy who just got done making an ass of himself whining about using dated material ?

besides, arguing for Neanderthals is arguing for evolution not creation.
if we were so perfect why would god need to make another speices.
they ( Neanderthals ) are never mentioned in the bible.
how do you reconcile that with the creation myth?

 

[daws101]

No they are not spare parts left over they are parts that have lost function over time showing that the curse on man for sin is alive and well. The list of such items are decreasing because they are finding many of these things still perform a function.

You are speaking of both bones and organs.

This is the level of your ability to debate science I get it.

obviously you don't "get it" as it's a spot on depiction of your reaction when you get called on your bullshit.
besides you can't debate science as you don't not possess the basic skills to make a rational argument.
1. you have no objectivity
2. you have no analytical skills.
3. more problems then I care to list.

 

[daws101]

No I was blowing up your theory of evolution.

asshole you're attempting to bullshit your way out of what you just said.
who's dishonest again..?

Daws no one has ever observed the brain of the neanderthal to give an opinion on intelligence don't you get it ? They could have been more intelligent they might not have been but nobody knows but we do know that they had the cranial capacity to have bigger brains.

An elephant has a bigger brain but they didn't build a ship and go to the moon. Clearly humans are more intelligent then any organism on this planet,why ? do you understand that many evolutionist made the claim that they were part beast and human and once said they they were dumb brutes.

Asshole ? if this is getting to be more then you can handle take a break and allow yourself to be taught.

yes asshole! another dodge or have you lost the gist of the tread again?

 

[Youwerecreated]

We do have bigger brains than Neanderthals did
Study through CT scans suggests we are distinguished by different mental capacities
Below:


Modern humans possess brain structures larger than their Neanderthal counterparts, suggesting we are distinguished from them by different mental capacities, scientists find.

We are currently the only extant human lineage, but Neanderthals, our closest-known evolutionary relatives, still walked the Earth as recently as maybe 24,000 years ago. Neanderthals were close enough to the modern human lineage to interbreed, calling into question how different they really were from us and whether they comprise a different species.

To find out more, researchers used CT scanners to map the interiors of five Neanderthal skulls as well as four fossil and 75 contemporary human skulls to determine the shapes of their brains in 3-D. Like modern humans, Neanderthals had larger brains than both our living ape relatives and other extinct human lineages.

The investigators discovered modern humans possess larger olfactory bulbs at the base of their brains. This area is linked primarily with smell, but also with other key mental functions such as memory and learning — central olfactory brain circuitry is physically very close to structures related to memory.

.."We all know from our personal experience about the intense links between smell and memory — for example, when, after years and as adults, we enter our old school building and by breathing and smelling the air of the stairways or of our old classroom, suddenly we are vividly and undecidedly transported back in our memory into our school days and associated experiences that we learned long ago," said researcher Markus Bastir, a paleoanthropologist at Spain's National Museum of Natural Sciences, in Madrid.

Intriguingly, smell may also play a social role, such as for recognizing family and friends and reinforcing group cohesion.

"In the German language — I am Austrian-born — we have a saying, 'Ich kann dich gut riechen,' which translates into English as, 'I can smell you well,' but means, 'I like you,'" Bastir told LiveScience. "That would reflect a linguistic example how smell relates to social behavior."

Compared with Neanderthals, modern humans also possess larger temporal lobes, an area near the base of the brain. "Neuroscientists relate temporal lobes with language functions, long-term memory, theory of mind (the ability to consider the perspective of others), and also emotions," Bastir said.

We also have a relatively wider orbitofrontal cortex than Neanderthals, a part of the brain immediately above the eyes. "The effects of the wider orbitofrontal cortex are difficult to evaluate," Bastir said. The area is linked with decision-making.

All in all, it remains unclear exactly how these brain differences might have set us apart from Neanderthals, Bastir cautioned. We only know how these skulls molded themselves around these brains, and not the precise structures of the brains in question.

In the future, Bastir and his colleagues would like to scan the interiors of more fossil skulls to refine their ideas about them. An implicit problem of the project is the fragility of the structures they would like to examine, he said.

The scientists detailed their findings online Tuesday in the journal Nature Communications.

Follow LiveScience for the latest in science news and discoveries on Twitter @livescience and on Facebook.

© 2012 LiveScience.com. All rights reserved.

Search - MyVerizon.com

Neanderthals Were Too Smart to Survive - Softpedia

Neanderthal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

BBC - Science & Nature - Horizon

NeuroLogica Blog » Neanderthal Intelligence

Neanderthals Were Too Smart to Survive: December 21st, 2005, 09:41 = 12 years old

BBC - Science & Nature - September 2005= 12years old

NeuroLogica Blog » Neanderthal Intelligence Aug
26
2008 = 4years old
weren't you the guy who just got done making an ass of himself whining about using dated material ?

besides, arguing for Neanderthals is arguing for evolution not creation.
if we were so perfect why would god need to make another speices.
they ( Neanderthals ) are never mentioned in the bible.
how do you reconcile that with the creation myth?

Neanderthals are human not another species of humans.

 

[Youwerecreated]

You don't understand what you're writing. Vestigial bones suggest remnants of anatomy that were once used and now serve no purpose. Whales, for example,

Why would the gawds add useless parts to humans and animals alike?

In humans they use to make the same claim concerning the appendix because we could live without the organ. They have found that the organ stores bacteria and Enzymes that aid in the digestive system.

The science community sometimes rush to an explanation only to be proven wrong later.

yet another fine example of ywc spining the facts!

Does the appendix have a function?
The appendix -- an organ barely 4 inches long -- causes much debate among medical professionals. In fact, doctors have trouble deciding if the appendix has any use to the body at all. While everyone agrees that the appendix can be removed without causing any adverse health consequences to the patient, some physicians and researchers believe that the appendix does serve a function as part of the immune system. Others feel that the appendix is a vestigial organ, a remainder from the time when humans regularly dined on tree bark and needed an additional organ to break down the roughage. Along with the disagreement over the true function of the appendix, there is no consensus if humans will always have this organ. Some doctors feel that the evolution of the human body will lead to the demise of the appendix, while others believe that the appendix will remain in the body, continuing to do whatever it does.


HowStuffWorks "Does the appendix have a function?"

the they ywc conveniently left out is : "some physicians and researchers believe that the appendix does serve a function as part of the immune system"
the operative words are SOME AND BELIEVE!

Does the appendix have a function daws ? that was my point.

 

[Youwerecreated]

asshole you're attempting to bullshit your way out of what you just said.
who's dishonest again..?

Daws no one has ever observed the brain of the neanderthal to give an opinion on intelligence don't you get it ? They could have been more intelligent they might not have been but nobody knows but we do know that they had the cranial capacity to have bigger brains.

An elephant has a bigger brain but they didn't build a ship and go to the moon. Clearly humans are more intelligent then any organism on this planet,why ? do you understand that many evolutionist made the claim that they were part beast and human and once said they they were dumb brutes.

Asshole ? if this is getting to be more then you can handle take a break and allow yourself to be taught.

yes asshole! another dodge or have you lost the gist of the tread again?

I believe you're spinning in circles,showing you're in over your head.

 

[Hollie]

Neanderthals Were Too Smart to Survive - Softpedia

Neanderthal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

BBC - Science & Nature - Horizon

NeuroLogica Blog » Neanderthal Intelligence

Neanderthals Were Too Smart to Survive: December 21st, 2005, 09:41 = 12 years old

BBC - Science & Nature - September 2005= 12years old

NeuroLogica Blog » Neanderthal Intelligence Aug
26
2008 = 4years old
weren't you the guy who just got done making an ass of himself whining about using dated material ?

besides, arguing for Neanderthals is arguing for evolution not creation.
if we were so perfect why would god need to make another speices.
they ( Neanderthals ) are never mentioned in the bible.
how do you reconcile that with the creation myth?

Neanderthals are human not another species of humans.

There is not a firm consensus among scientists about Neanderthals being human.

Another.problem for the creationist is that Neanderthals have been dated to existing as much as 50,000 years ago.

Yet another creationist myth debunked- the 6000 year old earth.

 

[UltimateReality]

...
I will check back occasionally to see if anyone who can actually present a logical, opposing argument or who desires to engage in a friendly, civil debate has shown up...

YWC, we all know reading comprehension was never Daws, NP's or Hawly's strong suite. And it is horribly evident that all the same evo-fundies are up to the same old tricks. Not one logical opposing argument to be found, but just the usual Ad Hominem attacks and Red Herrings. My wait continues...

 

[Hollie]

...
I will check back occasionally to see if anyone who can actually present a logical, opposing argument or who desires to engage in a friendly, civil debate has shown up...

YWC, we all know reading comprehension was never Daws, NP's or Hawly's strong suite. And it is horribly evident that all the same evo-fundies are up to the same old tricks. Not one logical opposing argument to be found, but just the usual Ad Hominem attacks and Red Herrings. My wait continues...

You're actually describing your own behavior. You entered the thread for no other reason than to offer:

Not one logical opposing argument... but just the usual Ad Hominem attacks and Red Herrings

Another pompous, Discovery Institute ID'iot groupie.