Dear "Conservatives"....

[geauxtohell]

Liberals will prove that Romney is no liberal in the manner in which they attack him.. Just sit by and watch, it will be fun. then go to hell can eat some shitty crow.

You are honestly going to tell me Romney is a conservative?

Or that a persons ideology is defined by the other sides attacks?

Your logic is dizzying.

But not in the good way.

 

[JoeB131]

When has Obama done his own thing?

He was for the Republican plan on cap-and-trade and the individual mandate.

He kept Gitmo open.

Extended the Bush tax cuts.

The guy's been a nice moderate Republican to this point. I think the far right would really be shitting their pants at this point had he passed single-payer and nationalized the banking and oil industries.

And if he didn't save GM, the same mother fuckers who hate him for saving it would be accusing him of hating cars.

GM was not saved, it still went bankrupt.
That is why we have the bankruptcy law. The tax payers money was not needed.
GM needed to fire their CEO a long time ago, and hire a new one. Then they needed to restructure their union by lowering over paid workers, the benefits and over paid retirement pay.

GM was handed over to the Unions as a gift from Obama. The taxpayers and the shareholders got a raw deal.

Not seeing the problem here.

Most of the shareholders who were still on board in 2009 were just there to feast off the carcass... so not really feeling too bad for them compared to working folks on the line.

As for the taxpayer, they've gotten the best deal possible- keeping the industry alive vs. having to pay billions in cleanup, benefits for the unemployed, etc.

 

[geauxtohell]

LMAO. How am I "picking on" you?

By rubbing their noses in their own hypocrisy. Meanie!

How dare I!

That's the second poster to use the term "picking on us" in this thread.

The verbage behind that is telling to me.

 

[The T]

Liberals will prove that Romney is no liberal in the manner in which they attack him.. Just sit by and watch, it will be fun. then go to hell can eat some shitty crow.

Beware of passing the feathers. Have plenty of these on hand:

 

[JoeB131]

They will convince themselves Romney is a "conservative" all the way up until he loses in November.

Then the narrative will be "Romney lost because he's not conservative enough."

 

[geauxtohell]

Liberals will prove that Romney is no liberal in the manner in which they attack him.. Just sit by and watch, it will be fun. then go to hell can eat some shitty crow.

Beware of passing the feathers. Have plenty of these on hand:

And, because you can't defend voting for an evil liberal, that's all you have, isn't it?

 

[Sunshine]

Geaux, some of us Republicans are far right when it comes to fiscal government concerns. We were considered centrists in this country during the Clinton years. Republicans have always called the nation to get along with each other, starting with being antislavery.

Doing what is best for the most is not always a popular place to be.

Americans have always shared in the past. Now, politicians are putting their goals above the people, and it's not particularly good in the case of replacing the entire parameters of law, government, medicine, education, business, banks, energy to be in the hands of the government.

That didn't work when the bolsheviks took over. It just changed one master to another. Getting back to a master race schema just frightens many of us. We think grass-roots inventiveness and talent is the better way, and it comes from allowing people to enjoy the fruits of their labor and pass it on to whoever they choose to after they die.

The recent push to take everything away from people who have plenty, so they'll be eating dirt doesn't go well. It just isn't a fair way, and there are many examples of unfairness causing civil wars in the history books.

The republic idea abolishes the one-master thesis and gets into sharing based on what comes of a free-thinking society that promotes individuals for their 15 minutes, then enjoys using the paper clips, incandescent lamps, telephones, soya products, Russet potatoes, stem cell products, and other things they come by to improve life.

Republicans want to keep things as the founders intended--equal opportunities, the fun of your ideas catching on, finding and enjoying wealth through hard work, and just being free to do so.

My goodness, there are whole countries whose thesis is socialism. Try to cross their borders and see where that gets you.

Master race?

Anyways, I notice you used the term "republican" and not "conservative"....

That's because I learned conservatism after I became a Republican in 1971, in the Equality State, over 40 years ago, after a group of Democrat young men in my Texas high school frightened me by going into shanty town and doing who knows what that never got reported when they heard a black man tipped his hat a white lady's way. I didn't like what the group hysteria did to all of them. They couldn't see reason, they just went where the group leaders led them, and allegedly did horrific things to frighten black folks who didn't do anybody any harm, not even the fella who tipped his hat and smiled at the lady.

When I became a Republican, I didn't go to any parties, no meetings, no special clubs, but I did a lot of sewing for charity, and when years later, when my quilts were to be given to soldiers, I met Republican leaders, because by then, I trusted that my products would go to where I wanted them to go--wounded soldiers, and not into some rich lady's trunk. One of those leaders was Senator John Barrasso, and he put a picture of a soldier receiving one of the purple heart quilts. His office took pictures of his family, sitting around the quilt, with his steel leg poking out from underneath the quilt. Since I credited everybody with first names, no one is for sure who made the quilt, and there's no trail other than through my Senator's files, and he is a man who keeps confidences. He was my doctor, my husband's colleague on the church session, and a man whose every vote has been to not raise any taxes whatever on people who are already heavily burdened with them.

I've only met the honest johns in the Republican party, because the people of the Equality state dismiss those who pass taxes against their wallets, and they re-elect those who live on a shoe string and even cut government expenditures to the bare minimum. Everyone gets by. Charities house bums who can't live on the street because of - 40 degree winters. I don't have to call myself a conservative when I call myself a Republican.

We're quite conservative. I'm back in the Texas I love, back with home folks, and guess what. I've learned something else. I've learned to just shut up, and the only group I've joined here does not discriminate nor talk bad about black folk. They talk about how much fun it is to know our quilts will make someone who feels left out, part of the community.

I love people in both parties. Fiscal conservatism works; promoting individualism works; working on improving yourself works; working on improving your own skills works--all things I learned as a Republican just works.
Divisions don't work for me. Passing laws against the Second Amendment puts all the guns in the hands of criminals, who unafraid in an unarmed society can take by force and easy murder. It's not so easy to murder someone who's armed and protecting his own property. So abolishing the strength of the Second Amendment does not work for me.

Shutting people up with presidential decree doesn't work for me. That's impinging upon the First Amendment, and that doesn't work to keep speech and ideas flowing. Neither does smearing pornography all over the web for 6-year-olds to look at.

Hiding porno in books in the library does work for me. It gets the little punks inside the library, and they might find a truly good book that lights their little intellectual fire, however sneaky we old folks may be.

You ain'ta gonna find a good book nor intellectual stimulation that would make you progress to anything other than cat burglaring enough goods to buy you more time online; by the same token, at Lollipuppi Sucklove's porno website, though, you are only going to find porn, and you do not have to pass go, you simply lock the bedroom door to keep parents away and squeal "privacy" like your kinky social studies teacher, soldier of the NEA tells ya.

We don't mind taking unpopular stands as Republicans, but we're not what would you say... overbearing about it unless someone really tred harshly over the Constitution as simple people understand it.

When we lose, we concede if it's only a little annoying. When it enslaves the next three generations by spending money that isn't theirs to spend, you will see us fight to the death to prevent that from ever happening again. When it kills 1/3 of all American newborns, our religious brethren and sisters might get riled, particularly when lesser men see this as an opportunity to get votes by replacing the unborn Americans who go into waste disposals with illegal aliens who are easy to control until after they become businesspersons.

Our society is broken with anger and vituperative insults. Yesterday, it was learned the executive branch is using the freedom of information act to expose people who give money to Republicans, with the hopes the Union will take up the cause and financially ruin these people.

That will get Republican dander up too. Those are the real bullies--those who hurt Americans with the expedience of the information age, and since Obama used it in one of his speeches to expose 6 men based on their wealth, we take that as discrimination, and he's out in November. If the cheats get busy and scare up a few more haunts or the addicted needing a fix they will provide, to vote and keep him in the next 4 years are not going to be pretty. Since the left will use his ouster as a basis for racial rioting, that will not be pretty either.

I predict a disgusting amount of warfare could break out.

The trouble is, great grandchildren will be responsible for the trillions being spent that aren't backed up in fiscal terms with anything except our willingness to be a foreign entity's pawn. That didn't work out so well in 1776.

I'm likely to stay Republican. And I'm likely to hate with body and soul the determined attack watch shit the Democrats are engaged in as a method for procuring votes.

Yes, it works. How easily I could have been a welfare queen after my husband's death. But I have an education, a good income, and a life of service lived. It doesn't get better than that! IMO.

 

[geauxtohell]

They will convince themselves Romney is a "conservative" all the way up until he loses in November.

Then the narrative will be "Romney lost because he's not conservative enough."

Cognitive dissonance

 

[Meister]

Who are the "conservatives" supposed to pick when it's between Obama and Romney?

Are they supposed to write-in Paul? Not vote at all?
Everybody has to work with what they have, and conservatives know that Romney is more conservative than Obama. Conservatives also know that 4 more years of Obama would be disastrous to the conservative cause.

 

[Meister]

They will convince themselves Romney is a "conservative" all the way up until he loses in November.

Then the narrative will be "Romney lost because he's not conservative enough."

Do you think that Obama has it wrapped up? Really?

 

[The T]

Who are the "conservatives" supposed to pick when it's between Obama and Romney?

Are they supposed to write-in Paul? Not vote at all?
Everybody has to work with what they have, and conservatives know that Romney is more conservative than Obama. Conservatives also know that 4 more years of Obama would be disastrous to the conservative cause.

And the death knell to this Republic.

 

[Zander]

Yeah, Romney's not conservative. Let's look at his record....

Governor of Massachusetts (2003-2007) He balanced the budget every year of his administration with out increasing taxes or increasing state dept.

Romney turned a $3 billion budget deficit into a $500 million surplus by reducing government spending and added 80,000 new jobs by the end of his term.

In 2004, 2005, and 2006 Governor Romney proposed cutting the state income tax from 5.3% to 5.0% Although the Democratic super majority in the state legislator refused to budge.

Romney vetoed 844 pieces of legislation, with over 700 overridden.

He vetoed an increase in the minimum wage, saying "there's no question raising the minimum wage excessively causes a loss of jobs."

Under Governor Romney the state abolished a retroactive capital gains tax that would have forced nearly 50,000 taxpayers to pay additional taxes and fees. Massachusetts Citizens For Limited Taxation Executive Director Barbara Anderson praised Romney, saying "There was no one else out on the horizon and with the legislature almost entirely Democratic, we felt it was necessary to have a grown-up in the corner office. … And we were right to back him. He's been a really good friend to the taxpayers."

In 2006, Governor Romney testified before the United States Senate to support the Federal Marriage Amendment, which would limit marriage to one man and one woman. Additionally, Romney filed legislation to reinstate capital punishment, but was defeated in the Massachusetts House of Representatives on a 99-53 vote.

Mitt Romney made no pardons as governor, "My conclusion was, if somebody has been convicted by a jury of their peers, and they’ve been prosecuted and the police were able to get the evidence necessary to put them behind bars, why in the world would I step in and reverse that sentence?"

On Education Romney called for the privatization of the University of Massachusetts medical school.

In August 2006, Governor Romney refused to allow former Iranian President Mohammed Khatami, an outspoken opponent of the United States and Israel, state police escorts during his speech at Harvard University.

In December 2006, Romney signed a memorandum of agreement with the federal government that would allow state troopers to enforce federal immigration laws however was revoked when Democrat Deval Patrick took office as Governor in January 2007.

Yeah, he's not conservative....

 

[Avatar4321]

Who are the "conservatives" supposed to pick when it's between Obama and Romney?

Are they supposed to write-in Paul? Not vote at all?
Everybody has to work with what they have, and conservatives know that Romney is more conservative than Obama. Conservatives also know that 4 more years of Obama would be disastrous to the conservative cause.

Well, considering conservatives werent for Paul to begin with, I highly doubt they will write him in.

 

[geauxtohell]

Who are the "conservatives" supposed to pick when it's between Obama and Romney?

Are they supposed to write-in Paul? Not vote at all?
Everybody has to work with what they have, and conservatives know that Romney is more conservative than Obama. Conservatives also know that 4 more years of Obama would be disastrous to the conservative cause.

They could have voted for Santorum.

They didn't because he wasn't electable (in their view).

So is this about principles or winning elections?

 

[Dot Com]

whatever happened to the con mantra :"If your going to vote for a big gov't/liberal repub, you might as well vote for the real thing- A Democrat."

 

[The T]

Yeah, Romney's not conservative. Let's look at his record....

Governor of Massachusetts (2003-2007) He balanced the budget every year of his administration with out increasing taxes or increasing state dept.

Romney turned a $3 billion budget deficit into a $500 million surplus by reducing government spending and added 80,000 new jobs by the end of his term.

In 2004, 2005, and 2006 Governor Romney proposed cutting the state income tax from 5.3% to 5.0% Although the Democratic super majority in the state legislator refused to budge.

Romney vetoed 844 pieces of legislation, with over 700 overridden.

He vetoed an increase in the minimum wage, saying "there's no question raising the minimum wage excessively causes a loss of jobs."

Under Governor Romney the state abolished a retroactive capital gains tax that would have forced nearly 50,000 taxpayers to pay additional taxes and fees. Massachusetts Citizens For Limited Taxation Executive Director Barbara Anderson praised Romney, saying "There was no one else out on the horizon and with the legislature almost entirely Democratic, we felt it was necessary to have a grown-up in the corner office. … And we were right to back him. He's been a really good friend to the taxpayers."

In 2006, Governor Romney testified before the United States Senate to support the Federal Marriage Amendment, which would limit marriage to one man and one woman. Additionally, Romney filed legislation to reinstate capital punishment, but was defeated in the Massachusetts House of Representatives on a 99-53 vote.

Mitt Romney made no pardons as governor, "My conclusion was, if somebody has been convicted by a jury of their peers, and they’ve been prosecuted and the police were able to get the evidence necessary to put them behind bars, why in the world would I step in and reverse that sentence?"

On Education Romney called for the privatization of the University of Massachusetts medical school.

In August 2006, Governor Romney refused to allow former Iranian President Mohammed Khatami, an outspoken opponent of the United States and Israel, state police escorts during his speech at Harvard University.

In December 2006, Romney signed a memorandum of agreement with the federal government that would allow state troopers to enforce federal immigration laws however was revoked when Democrat Deval Patrick took office as Governor in January 2007.

Yeah, he's not conservative....

He did have Democrats to contend with in the legislature to boot.

 

[Meister]

Who are the "conservatives" supposed to pick when it's between Obama and Romney?

Are they supposed to write-in Paul? Not vote at all?
Everybody has to work with what they have, and conservatives know that Romney is more conservative than Obama. Conservatives also know that 4 more years of Obama would be disastrous to the conservative cause.

They could have voted for Santorum.

They didn't because he wasn't electable (in their view).

So is this about principles or winning elections?

You're under the premis that the majority of the GOP are hardcore conservatives....I don't think so. I think there are a lot of moderates in the GOP.
My own view on Santorum was that he wasn't smart enough. My view was and proved to be that Obama wasn't smart enough.

 

[geauxtohell]

Yeah, Romney's not conservative. Let's look at his record....

Governor of Massachusetts (2003-2007) He balanced the budget every year of his administration with out increasing taxes or increasing state dept.

Romney turned a $3 billion budget deficit into a $500 million surplus by reducing government spending and added 80,000 new jobs by the end of his term.

In 2004, 2005, and 2006 Governor Romney proposed cutting the state income tax from 5.3% to 5.0% Although the Democratic super majority in the state legislator refused to budge.

Romney vetoed 844 pieces of legislation, with over 700 overridden.

He vetoed an increase in the minimum wage, saying "there's no question raising the minimum wage excessively causes a loss of jobs."

Under Governor Romney the state abolished a retroactive capital gains tax that would have forced nearly 50,000 taxpayers to pay additional taxes and fees. Massachusetts Citizens For Limited Taxation Executive Director Barbara Anderson praised Romney, saying "There was no one else out on the horizon and with the legislature almost entirely Democratic, we felt it was necessary to have a grown-up in the corner office. … And we were right to back him. He's been a really good friend to the taxpayers."

In 2006, Governor Romney testified before the United States Senate to support the Federal Marriage Amendment, which would limit marriage to one man and one woman. Additionally, Romney filed legislation to reinstate capital punishment, but was defeated in the Massachusetts House of Representatives on a 99-53 vote.

Mitt Romney made no pardons as governor, "My conclusion was, if somebody has been convicted by a jury of their peers, and they’ve been prosecuted and the police were able to get the evidence necessary to put them behind bars, why in the world would I step in and reverse that sentence?"

On Education Romney called for the privatization of the University of Massachusetts medical school.

In August 2006, Governor Romney refused to allow former Iranian President Mohammed Khatami, an outspoken opponent of the United States and Israel, state police escorts during his speech at Harvard University.

In December 2006, Romney signed a memorandum of agreement with the federal government that would allow state troopers to enforce federal immigration laws however was revoked when Democrat Deval Patrick took office as Governor in January 2007.

Yeah, he's not conservative....

I wondered when someone would try to pull this bullshit.

 

[Meister]

Yeah, Romney's not conservative. Let's look at his record....

Governor of Massachusetts (2003-2007) He balanced the budget every year of his administration with out increasing taxes or increasing state dept.

Romney turned a $3 billion budget deficit into a $500 million surplus by reducing government spending and added 80,000 new jobs by the end of his term.

In 2004, 2005, and 2006 Governor Romney proposed cutting the state income tax from 5.3% to 5.0% Although the Democratic super majority in the state legislator refused to budge.

Romney vetoed 844 pieces of legislation, with over 700 overridden.

He vetoed an increase in the minimum wage, saying "there's no question raising the minimum wage excessively causes a loss of jobs."

Under Governor Romney the state abolished a retroactive capital gains tax that would have forced nearly 50,000 taxpayers to pay additional taxes and fees. Massachusetts Citizens For Limited Taxation Executive Director Barbara Anderson praised Romney, saying "There was no one else out on the horizon and with the legislature almost entirely Democratic, we felt it was necessary to have a grown-up in the corner office. … And we were right to back him. He's been a really good friend to the taxpayers."

In 2006, Governor Romney testified before the United States Senate to support the Federal Marriage Amendment, which would limit marriage to one man and one woman. Additionally, Romney filed legislation to reinstate capital punishment, but was defeated in the Massachusetts House of Representatives on a 99-53 vote.

Mitt Romney made no pardons as governor, "My conclusion was, if somebody has been convicted by a jury of their peers, and they’ve been prosecuted and the police were able to get the evidence necessary to put them behind bars, why in the world would I step in and reverse that sentence?"

On Education Romney called for the privatization of the University of Massachusetts medical school.

In August 2006, Governor Romney refused to allow former Iranian President Mohammed Khatami, an outspoken opponent of the United States and Israel, state police escorts during his speech at Harvard University.

In December 2006, Romney signed a memorandum of agreement with the federal government that would allow state troopers to enforce federal immigration laws however was revoked when Democrat Deval Patrick took office as Governor in January 2007.

Yeah, he's not conservative....

I wondered when someone would try to pull this bullshit.

Feel free to refute what Zander posted.

 

[JoeB131]

Who are the "conservatives" supposed to pick when it's between Obama and Romney?

Are they supposed to write-in Paul? Not vote at all?
Everybody has to work with what they have, and conservatives know that Romney is more conservative than Obama. Conservatives also know that 4 more years of Obama would be disastrous to the conservative cause.

The only way that four more years of Obama could be disasterous to the "conservative cause" is if his ideas actually work really well.

For instance, if everyone is happy with ObamaCare (which they used to call RomneyCare until he didn't want to be caught having a drink with it), what is the conservative argument at that point? "Let's go back to letting the insurance companies kill your kid for profit?"

I think when you are at the point where Ann Coulter is arguing that RomneyCare is a solid Conservative idea and ObamaCare is about one step from Stalinism, the whole "conservative/lberal" argument is kind of over.

I usually vote Republican, but this time, I'm voting for Obama because I dislike Romney as a human being. Crazy, evil religion, unethical business practices and a deep feeling that he ain't going to have my back in the future.