Debate on climate and warming? Not really.

[miketx]

Now you call WEATHER climate. You are the dumbest, most uninformed jackass on this site.

You can't stop lying can you. The other day you said I was the dumbest most uninformed jackass on the site. But you are correct. People do certainly need to be informed, just like all those people who were informed that the Earth was flat, and were informed that the Sun revolved around the Earth, that were informed there are only 3 elements and that the Earth is only 6000 years old. Yes, being informed is very important.

If you really think that, why are you such an ignorant ass? That instrument right in front of you can connect you to what real scientists provide us in evidence.

Those in denial are indeed the village idiots in this discussion. The science is clear, most scientists believe mankind contributes significantly to global warming, and that idiots say 'no' should be pointed out and ridiculed.

No proof exists. Only fake computer generated data from tree rings and cave drawings.

And you prove my point that only the illiterate argue against the science.

you have no genuine science.

 

[Old Rocks]

2 decades, no "warming"

Game

Set

Match

But....but....they say the warming is hiding in the ocean...it is simply waiting to see its shadow....

My goodness, you are such a stupid fuck in every thing you post on. You might say that these charts are the shadow of the increasing warmth;

Arctic Sea Ice News and Analysis | Sea ice data updated daily with one-day lag

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38 years of records........out of the entire life of the planet....really.....? And during the middle ages...what satellite data did they have on ice in the Arctic? Moron.

Arctic Sea Ice News and Analysis | Sea ice data updated daily with one-day lag

You are the moron. You think that everyone is as stupid and ignorant as you obviously are. We have ice cores from Greenland and the Antarctic, some of which go back 800,000 years. We have ocean sediments that go back tens of millions of years. And we can measure isotopic ratios in the fossils of shell many millions of years old. And even ratios in rock that was ocean bottom sediment hundreds of millions of years old.

All of how that is done is on the net, so why not use that instrument that you post your ignorant messages on, and actually learn something.

And then the man made global warming religionists destroy the data, change the data, or hide it.......major scandals have come out about how they handle "data" and in each one they are lying about it....so until you morons actually care about the science we don't believe you....

And the major mover of climate...the Sun.......go measure that moron...

We are measuring it, dumb ass. The Total Solar Irradiance has been going down for years, all though by a very minor amount.

SORCE » Total Solar Irradiance Data

TSI Measurement History
Attempts to measure the TSI began in earnest in the 1830’s, with independent measurements by Claude Pouillet and John Herschel, yet were nearly a factor of two low because of atmospheric absorption. Even balloon-borne measurements in the 1900’s lacked the instrumental accuracy to detect the ~0.1% changes in the TSI. It was not until long-duration measurements from space were available that changes in TSI were accurately measured and the misconception of a “solar constant” changed. TSI monitoring using electrical substitution radiometers (ESRs) from the vantage point of space began with the launch of the Nimbus 7 satellite in November 1978. This was soon followed by an Active Cavity Radiometer Irradiance Monitor (ACRIM) instrument on the Solar Maximum Mission and by the Earth Radiation Budget Experiment (ERBE). More recently, second and third ACRIM instruments have been launched, in addition to the launch of the VIRGO on the NASA/ESA Solar and Heliospheric Observatory (SoHO). The various data sets are in basic agreement and show conclusively that variations of TSI track the passage of sunspots across the solar disk with an amplitude of about 0.2%, and that long-term solar cycle variations are only on the order of 0.1%. The SORCE TSI data set continues these important observations with improved accuracy on the order of ±0.035%.

Of the mentioned TSI instruments, the VIRGO is the only one from prior to the SORCE launch that continues to make observations.

 

[Old Rocks]

You can't stop lying can you. The other day you said I was the dumbest most uninformed jackass on the site. But you are correct. People do certainly need to be informed, just like all those people who were informed that the Earth was flat, and were informed that the Sun revolved around the Earth, that were informed there are only 3 elements and that the Earth is only 6000 years old. Yes, being informed is very important.

If you really think that, why are you such an ignorant ass? That instrument right in front of you can connect you to what real scientists provide us in evidence.

Those in denial are indeed the village idiots in this discussion. The science is clear, most scientists believe mankind contributes significantly to global warming, and that idiots say 'no' should be pointed out and ridiculed.

No proof exists. Only fake computer generated data from tree rings and cave drawings.

And you prove my point that only the illiterate argue against the science.

you have no genuine science.

Now silly ass, you have yet to present anything backing up your trollish comments. Here is a site from the American Institute of Physics, the largest scientific society on earth.

The Carbon Dioxide Greenhouse Effect

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

How does reducing emissions hurt you?

It costs me money that I worked hard to earn. It also leads to deaths in undeveloped countries.

What a stupid thing to claim. Wind and solar are both cheaper per kw than any other forms of power at present. And the new grid scale batteries will lower the price of electricity even more. How is less costly electricity costing you money?

As for the third world nations, many of them do not have fossil fuel reserves, and the ones that do do not have the money to develop them and the infrastructure needed for coal or gas. However, solar and wind are very scalable, from single family installations to village or region scale. And, once built, do not require addtional money, no fuel required, and no toxic byproducts.

Because it isn't working now......and has to be backed up with reliable coal and natural gas dumb fuck......Germany is having shortages because of this, dumb fuck.

LOL What a fucking dumb liar you are.

Germany had so much renewable energy on Sunday that it had to pay people to use electricity

On Sunday, May 8, Germany hit a new high in renewable energy generation. Thanks to a sunny and windy day, at one point around 1pm the country’s solar, wind, hydro and biomass plants were supplying about 55 GW of the 63 GW being consumed, or 87%.

Power prices actually went negative for several hours, meaning commercial customers were being paid to consume electricity.

Germany Made $2 Billion Selling Energy to Neighbors - Understand Solar

In 2015, Fraunhofer scientists anticipate a record export surplus of up to 40 TWh electricity for Germany
Germany will have earned close to $2 billion from energy exports according to Fraunhofer-Institut für Solare Energiesysteme ISE based on energy data reported to the German government. The data on Germany’s imports and exports of various sources of energy are displayed in graphical form by Fraunhofer scientists.


The data has revealed consistent revenue that mounts into the billions, coming from exported German electricity. In 2014 revenues amounted to nearly $2 billion dollars, and are expected to remain at this level in 2015 as well.

Germany also imports electricity from its neighbors, but the data shows Germany has been able to export at a higher market price than it pays for imported electricity.

The graphical analysis also shows that, on average, market prices were higher for electricity exported from Germany than for electricity imported into Germany. Within Germany there had been concern that it might be selling cheap, buying high, but the data put that argument to rest.

Power prices actually went negative for several hours, meaning commercial customers were being paid to consume electricity.

Very impressive. Their rates are still almost triple American rates for electricity.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

GloBull warming is a huge wealth redistribution scam.

End of debate

Global arming deniers are dumber than shit. Thanks for proving that.

T


Yeah...except for the fact that the warming stopped, the computer models have been wrong, and that the man made global warming religionists keep destroying, hiding and changing data.......all in the name of scientific truth....

The warming has not stopped. The older models are off because we have been taking action & reducing emission growth. \

Until now when the fucking stupid have taken over our country & will reverse the progress made.

I guess you just hate your kids. You value money more than your children's future?

If you assclowns seriously feared CO2, you support more nuke plants instead of wasting billions on windmills.

Most of the progress we made lately was do to fracking, something else you assclowns have fought.

Show me a nuke plant built under budget and on time, and maybe I would find some support for them. However, Nuke power is still expensive power.

I am fine with fracking, provided that no aquifers are impacted.

However, Nuke power is still expensive power.

Now you guys are concerned about cost? LOL!

If you used consistent designs and ended frivolous lawsuits against new plant construction, you could
build them much faster, much less expensively.

Can you tell me when all that cheap German wind and solar is going to bring their electricity costs down from triple ours to a more reasonable double our levels?

5 years? 10 years? Never?

 

[RealDave]

How does reducing emissions hurt you?

It costs me money that I worked hard to earn. It also leads to deaths in undeveloped countries.

What a stupid thing to claim. Wind and solar are both cheaper per kw than any other forms of power at present. And the new grid scale batteries will lower the price of electricity even more. How is less costly electricity costing you money?

As for the third world nations, many of them do not have fossil fuel reserves, and the ones that do do not have the money to develop them and the infrastructure needed for coal or gas. However, solar and wind are very scalable, from single family installations to village or region scale. And, once built, do not require addtional money, no fuel required, and no toxic byproducts.

Because it isn't working now......and has to be backed up with reliable coal and natural gas dumb fuck......Germany is having shortages because of this, dumb fuck.

LOL What a fucking dumb liar you are.

Germany had so much renewable energy on Sunday that it had to pay people to use electricity

On Sunday, May 8, Germany hit a new high in renewable energy generation. Thanks to a sunny and windy day, at one point around 1pm the country’s solar, wind, hydro and biomass plants were supplying about 55 GW of the 63 GW being consumed, or 87%.

Power prices actually went negative for several hours, meaning commercial customers were being paid to consume electricity.

Germany Made $2 Billion Selling Energy to Neighbors - Understand Solar

In 2015, Fraunhofer scientists anticipate a record export surplus of up to 40 TWh electricity for Germany
Germany will have earned close to $2 billion from energy exports according to Fraunhofer-Institut für Solare Energiesysteme ISE based on energy data reported to the German government. The data on Germany’s imports and exports of various sources of energy are displayed in graphical form by Fraunhofer scientists.


The data has revealed consistent revenue that mounts into the billions, coming from exported German electricity. In 2014 revenues amounted to nearly $2 billion dollars, and are expected to remain at this level in 2015 as well.

Germany also imports electricity from its neighbors, but the data shows Germany has been able to export at a higher market price than it pays for imported electricity.

The graphical analysis also shows that, on average, market prices were higher for electricity exported from Germany than for electricity imported into Germany. Within Germany there had been concern that it might be selling cheap, buying high, but the data put that argument to rest.

Power prices actually went negative for several hours, meaning commercial customers were being paid to consume electricity.

Very impressive. Their rates are still almost triple American rates for electricity.

Not triple at all.

 

[Old Rocks]

solar energy in Texas is about to spoil power generators’ favorite time of day.

Developers are expected to build about 4 GW of commercial-scale solar PV capacity in the Lone Star state by the end of the decade, according to a report by Bloomberg New Energy Finance Tuesday. Cheap solar energy threatens to depress electricity prices during peak midday hours, when generators profit most as consumers blast air conditioners, driving electricity demand higher.

Solar power marks the latest threat to the coal- and natural gas-fired power producers in the Texas market. Conventional generators have already been buffeted by historically low gas prices, competition from abundant wind power and stagnant power demand.

"The impact from the solar panels is going to be concentrated on those on-peak hours, when the prices have historically been higher," Nicholas Steckler, an analyst at BNEF, said in an interview Tuesday. “It’s a significant hit to everyone.”

Solar is expected to lower power prices by about $2.58 per megawatt-hour during peak hours by 2020 in Texas’s west hub, the report by BNEF found. Developers are lining up to add projects with a total of 3.9 GW of capacity set to be online by the end of the decade, up from 559 MW this year, thanks to cheap land and sunny conditions
Cheap Solar Power in Texas May Depress Peak Electricity Prices

Damn those ultra liberal Texans. LOL

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

It costs me money that I worked hard to earn. It also leads to deaths in undeveloped countries.

What a stupid thing to claim. Wind and solar are both cheaper per kw than any other forms of power at present. And the new grid scale batteries will lower the price of electricity even more. How is less costly electricity costing you money?

As for the third world nations, many of them do not have fossil fuel reserves, and the ones that do do not have the money to develop them and the infrastructure needed for coal or gas. However, solar and wind are very scalable, from single family installations to village or region scale. And, once built, do not require addtional money, no fuel required, and no toxic byproducts.

Because it isn't working now......and has to be backed up with reliable coal and natural gas dumb fuck......Germany is having shortages because of this, dumb fuck.

LOL What a fucking dumb liar you are.

Germany had so much renewable energy on Sunday that it had to pay people to use electricity

On Sunday, May 8, Germany hit a new high in renewable energy generation. Thanks to a sunny and windy day, at one point around 1pm the country’s solar, wind, hydro and biomass plants were supplying about 55 GW of the 63 GW being consumed, or 87%.

Power prices actually went negative for several hours, meaning commercial customers were being paid to consume electricity.

Germany Made $2 Billion Selling Energy to Neighbors - Understand Solar

In 2015, Fraunhofer scientists anticipate a record export surplus of up to 40 TWh electricity for Germany
Germany will have earned close to $2 billion from energy exports according to Fraunhofer-Institut für Solare Energiesysteme ISE based on energy data reported to the German government. The data on Germany’s imports and exports of various sources of energy are displayed in graphical form by Fraunhofer scientists.


The data has revealed consistent revenue that mounts into the billions, coming from exported German electricity. In 2014 revenues amounted to nearly $2 billion dollars, and are expected to remain at this level in 2015 as well.

Germany also imports electricity from its neighbors, but the data shows Germany has been able to export at a higher market price than it pays for imported electricity.

The graphical analysis also shows that, on average, market prices were higher for electricity exported from Germany than for electricity imported into Germany. Within Germany there had been concern that it might be selling cheap, buying high, but the data put that argument to rest.

Power prices actually went negative for several hours, meaning commercial customers were being paid to consume electricity.

Very impressive. Their rates are still almost triple American rates for electricity.

Not triple at all.

You have a link for their prices?

 

[miketx]

If you really think that, why are you such an ignorant ass? That instrument right in front of you can connect you to what real scientists provide us in evidence.

Those in denial are indeed the village idiots in this discussion. The science is clear, most scientists believe mankind contributes significantly to global warming, and that idiots say 'no' should be pointed out and ridiculed.

No proof exists. Only fake computer generated data from tree rings and cave drawings.

And you prove my point that only the illiterate argue against the science.

you have no genuine science.

Now silly ass, you have yet to present anything backing up your trollish comments. Here is a site from the American Institute of Physics, the largest scientific society on earth.

The Carbon Dioxide Greenhouse Effect

The same thing I present every time to you witch doctors. 150 years of data, 4 billion year old planet.

 

[RealDave]

Global arming deniers are dumber than shit. Thanks for proving that.

T


Yeah...except for the fact that the warming stopped, the computer models have been wrong, and that the man made global warming religionists keep destroying, hiding and changing data.......all in the name of scientific truth....

The warming has not stopped. The older models are off because we have been taking action & reducing emission growth. \

Until now when the fucking stupid have taken over our country & will reverse the progress made.

I guess you just hate your kids. You value money more than your children's future?

If you assclowns seriously feared CO2, you support more nuke plants instead of wasting billions on windmills.

Most of the progress we made lately was do to fracking, something else you assclowns have fought.

Show me a nuke plant built under budget and on time, and maybe I would find some support for them. However, Nuke power is still expensive power.

I am fine with fracking, provided that no aquifers are impacted.

However, Nuke power is still expensive power.

Now you guys are concerned about cost? LOL!

If you used consistent designs and ended frivolous lawsuits against new plant construction, you could
build them much faster, much less expensively.

Can you tell me when all that cheap German wind and solar is going to bring their electricity costs down from triple ours to a more reasonable double our levels?

5 years? 10 years? Never?

If you get 75% of your electric by solar panels on your roof, I have news, it doesn't mater if the electric rates are double.

Nuclear power has always been the most subsidized. They create the most danger. We haven't had to deconstruct one yet to know those costs.

 

[Old Rocks]

Global arming deniers are dumber than shit. Thanks for proving that.

T


Yeah...except for the fact that the warming stopped, the computer models have been wrong, and that the man made global warming religionists keep destroying, hiding and changing data.......all in the name of scientific truth....

The warming has not stopped. The older models are off because we have been taking action & reducing emission growth. \

Until now when the fucking stupid have taken over our country & will reverse the progress made.

I guess you just hate your kids. You value money more than your children's future?

If you assclowns seriously feared CO2, you support more nuke plants instead of wasting billions on windmills.

Most of the progress we made lately was do to fracking, something else you assclowns have fought.

Show me a nuke plant built under budget and on time, and maybe I would find some support for them. However, Nuke power is still expensive power.

I am fine with fracking, provided that no aquifers are impacted.

However, Nuke power is still expensive power.

Now you guys are concerned about cost? LOL!

If you used consistent designs and ended frivolous lawsuits against new plant construction, you could
build them much faster, much less expensively.

Can you tell me when all that cheap German wind and solar is going to bring their electricity costs down from triple ours to a more reasonable double our levels?

5 years? 10 years? Never?

In spite of the fact that Solar and Wind are now the cheapest form of power, and that the grid scale batteries are going to make both 24/7, you assholes still are fond of stating cost is the primary reason you are against renewables. The cost of solar and wind continues to decline, and will soon drive even natural gas out of the market. And we are not Germany. As the renewables in Texas prove.

 

[RealDave]

What a stupid thing to claim. Wind and solar are both cheaper per kw than any other forms of power at present. And the new grid scale batteries will lower the price of electricity even more. How is less costly electricity costing you money?

As for the third world nations, many of them do not have fossil fuel reserves, and the ones that do do not have the money to develop them and the infrastructure needed for coal or gas. However, solar and wind are very scalable, from single family installations to village or region scale. And, once built, do not require addtional money, no fuel required, and no toxic byproducts.

Because it isn't working now......and has to be backed up with reliable coal and natural gas dumb fuck......Germany is having shortages because of this, dumb fuck.

LOL What a fucking dumb liar you are.

Germany had so much renewable energy on Sunday that it had to pay people to use electricity

On Sunday, May 8, Germany hit a new high in renewable energy generation. Thanks to a sunny and windy day, at one point around 1pm the country’s solar, wind, hydro and biomass plants were supplying about 55 GW of the 63 GW being consumed, or 87%.

Power prices actually went negative for several hours, meaning commercial customers were being paid to consume electricity.

Germany Made $2 Billion Selling Energy to Neighbors - Understand Solar

In 2015, Fraunhofer scientists anticipate a record export surplus of up to 40 TWh electricity for Germany
Germany will have earned close to $2 billion from energy exports according to Fraunhofer-Institut für Solare Energiesysteme ISE based on energy data reported to the German government. The data on Germany’s imports and exports of various sources of energy are displayed in graphical form by Fraunhofer scientists.


The data has revealed consistent revenue that mounts into the billions, coming from exported German electricity. In 2014 revenues amounted to nearly $2 billion dollars, and are expected to remain at this level in 2015 as well.

Germany also imports electricity from its neighbors, but the data shows Germany has been able to export at a higher market price than it pays for imported electricity.

The graphical analysis also shows that, on average, market prices were higher for electricity exported from Germany than for electricity imported into Germany. Within Germany there had been concern that it might be selling cheap, buying high, but the data put that argument to rest.

Power prices actually went negative for several hours, meaning commercial customers were being paid to consume electricity.

Very impressive. Their rates are still almost triple American rates for electricity.

Not triple at all.

You have a link for their prices?

Do you have a link for yours?

 

[Old Rocks]

Those in denial are indeed the village idiots in this discussion. The science is clear, most scientists believe mankind contributes significantly to global warming, and that idiots say 'no' should be pointed out and ridiculed.

No proof exists. Only fake computer generated data from tree rings and cave drawings.

And you prove my point that only the illiterate argue against the science.

you have no genuine science.

Now silly ass, you have yet to present anything backing up your trollish comments. Here is a site from the American Institute of Physics, the largest scientific society on earth.

The Carbon Dioxide Greenhouse Effect

The same thing I present every time to you witch doctors. 150 years of data, 4 billion year old planet.

Yes, every time you present your massive ignorance, and think that we should applaud that. The world is warming, it is going to have some very negative affects on humans, and dolts like you are part of the problem.

 

[RealDave]

Those in denial are indeed the village idiots in this discussion. The science is clear, most scientists believe mankind contributes significantly to global warming, and that idiots say 'no' should be pointed out and ridiculed.

No proof exists. Only fake computer generated data from tree rings and cave drawings.

And you prove my point that only the illiterate argue against the science.

you have no genuine science.

Now silly ass, you have yet to present anything backing up your trollish comments. Here is a site from the American Institute of Physics, the largest scientific society on earth.

The Carbon Dioxide Greenhouse Effect

The same thing I present every time to you witch doctors. 150 years of data, 4 billion year old planet.

So we know nothing before 1860. Good to know.

So how do you know climate always changes?

 

[miketx]

Well lets see, I heard somewhere that in the past they had ice ages and stuff like that. But then, people developed and were able to plant food and make dwellings so it must have warmed up. Is that climate change?

But again you make claims I never said. I never said we know nothing before 1860.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

T


Yeah...except for the fact that the warming stopped, the computer models have been wrong, and that the man made global warming religionists keep destroying, hiding and changing data.......all in the name of scientific truth....

The warming has not stopped. The older models are off because we have been taking action & reducing emission growth. \

Until now when the fucking stupid have taken over our country & will reverse the progress made.

I guess you just hate your kids. You value money more than your children's future?

If you assclowns seriously feared CO2, you support more nuke plants instead of wasting billions on windmills.

Most of the progress we made lately was do to fracking, something else you assclowns have fought.

Show me a nuke plant built under budget and on time, and maybe I would find some support for them. However, Nuke power is still expensive power.

I am fine with fracking, provided that no aquifers are impacted.

However, Nuke power is still expensive power.

Now you guys are concerned about cost? LOL!

If you used consistent designs and ended frivolous lawsuits against new plant construction, you could
build them much faster, much less expensively.

Can you tell me when all that cheap German wind and solar is going to bring their electricity costs down from triple ours to a more reasonable double our levels?

5 years? 10 years? Never?

If you get 75% of your electric by solar panels on your roof, I have news, it doesn't mater if the electric rates are double.

Nuclear power has always been the most subsidized. They create the most danger. We haven't had to deconstruct one yet to know those costs.

If you get 75% of your electric by solar panels on your roof, I have news, it doesn't mater if the electric rates are double.

If Germany generates "cheap wind and solar electricity" why are their rates higher?

LOL!

Nuclear power has always been the most subsidized.

Now subsidies are bad? LOL!

They create the most danger.

Really? How many killed by the US civilian nuclear power industry?

 

[Old Rocks]

Global arming deniers are dumber than shit. Thanks for proving that.

T


Yeah...except for the fact that the warming stopped, the computer models have been wrong, and that the man made global warming religionists keep destroying, hiding and changing data.......all in the name of scientific truth....

The warming has not stopped. The older models are off because we have been taking action & reducing emission growth. \

Until now when the fucking stupid have taken over our country & will reverse the progress made.

I guess you just hate your kids. You value money more than your children's future?

If you assclowns seriously feared CO2, you support more nuke plants instead of wasting billions on windmills.

Most of the progress we made lately was do to fracking, something else you assclowns have fought.

Show me a nuke plant built under budget and on time, and maybe I would find some support for them. However, Nuke power is still expensive power.

I am fine with fracking, provided that no aquifers are impacted.

However, Nuke power is still expensive power.

Now you guys are concerned about cost? LOL!

If you used consistent designs and ended frivolous lawsuits against new plant construction, you could
build them much faster, much less expensively.

Can you tell me when all that cheap German wind and solar is going to bring their electricity costs down from triple ours to a more reasonable double our levels?

5 years? 10 years? Never?

German power bills are low compared to US average

While Americans pay on average around 12 cents per kilowatt-hour of electricity, Germans easily pay twice as much. Yet, citizens are not demonstrating against the energy transition. On the contrary, when an Energiewende demo takes place, it is always citizens wishing to protect their right to make their own energy.

One reason is that the average power bill is a fairly small part of household budgets. Germans consume only a third as much electricity as Americans do. Their power bills are thus not so large.

But how can we compare these rates? If we do so with the exchange rate, then German power bills currently look very small indeed because the euro has dropped from around 1.30 USD in recent years to around 1.10 USD in the past few months. Convert at that rate, and Germans only pay around 92 dollars a month for electricity – compared to the US average of 110 dollars. But even at the higher exchange rate from 2014, German power bills would still only come in right at around 110 dollars.

How about being more accurate in your statements. Double, yet most German households pay about the same as American households for their power.

 

[RealDave]

GloBull warming is a huge wealth redistribution scam.

End of debate

Global arming deniers are dumber than shit. Thanks for proving that.

T


Yeah...except for the fact that the warming stopped, the computer models have been wrong, and that the man made global warming religionists keep destroying, hiding and changing data.......all in the name of scientific truth....

The warming has not stopped. The older models are off because we have been taking action & reducing emission growth. \

Until now when the fucking stupid have taken over our country & will reverse the progress made.

I guess you just hate your kids. You value money more than your children's future?

If you assclowns seriously feared CO2, you support more nuke plants instead of wasting billions on windmills.

Most of the progress we made lately was do to fracking, something else you assclowns have fought.

2 decades, no "warming"

Game

Set

Match

But....but....they say the warming is hiding in the ocean...it is simply waiting to see its shadow....

My goodness, you are such a stupid fuck in every thing you post on. You might say that these charts are the shadow of the increasing warmth;

Arctic Sea Ice News and Analysis | Sea ice data updated daily with one-day lag

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38 years of records........out of the entire life of the planet....really.....? And during the middle ages...what satellite data did they have on ice in the Arctic? Moron.

Arctic Sea Ice News and Analysis | Sea ice data updated daily with one-day lag

You are the moron. You think that everyone is as stupid and ignorant as you obviously are. We have ice cores from Greenland and the Antarctic, some of which go back 800,000 years. We have ocean sediments that go back tens of millions of years. And we can measure isotopic ratios in the fossils of shell many millions of years old. And even ratios in rock that was ocean bottom sediment hundreds of millions of years old.

All of how that is done is on the net, so why not use that instrument that you post your ignorant messages on, and actually learn something.

And then the man made global warming religionists destroy the data, change the data, or hide it.......major scandals have come out about how they handle "data" and in each one they are lying about it....so until you morons actually care about the science we don't believe you....

And the major mover of climate...the Sun.......go measure that moron...

The Sun has been measured & the solar cycle is figured in.

And really, dragging up Climategate? That was debunked years ago.

No one destroyed the data. Data in everything is adjusted to take out factors that distort. Like measuring temps in a city where all the concrete & building distort the temps.

But hey, that is science & mathematics, two things you evidently know nothing about.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

T


Yeah...except for the fact that the warming stopped, the computer models have been wrong, and that the man made global warming religionists keep destroying, hiding and changing data.......all in the name of scientific truth....

The warming has not stopped. The older models are off because we have been taking action & reducing emission growth. \

Until now when the fucking stupid have taken over our country & will reverse the progress made.

I guess you just hate your kids. You value money more than your children's future?

If you assclowns seriously feared CO2, you support more nuke plants instead of wasting billions on windmills.

Most of the progress we made lately was do to fracking, something else you assclowns have fought.

Show me a nuke plant built under budget and on time, and maybe I would find some support for them. However, Nuke power is still expensive power.

I am fine with fracking, provided that no aquifers are impacted.

However, Nuke power is still expensive power.

Now you guys are concerned about cost? LOL!

If you used consistent designs and ended frivolous lawsuits against new plant construction, you could
build them much faster, much less expensively.

Can you tell me when all that cheap German wind and solar is going to bring their electricity costs down from triple ours to a more reasonable double our levels?

5 years? 10 years? Never?

In spite of the fact that Solar and Wind are now the cheapest form of power, and that the grid scale batteries are going to make both 24/7, you assholes still are fond of stating cost is the primary reason you are against renewables. The cost of solar and wind continues to decline, and will soon drive even natural gas out of the market. And we are not Germany. As the renewables in Texas prove.

And we are not Germany.

Thank goodness! Triple our rates would suck.

 

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GloBull warming is a huge wealth redistribution scam.

End of debate

Global arming deniers are dumber than shit. Thanks for proving that.

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Yeah...except for the fact that the warming stopped, the computer models have been wrong, and that the man made global warming religionists keep destroying, hiding and changing data.......all in the name of scientific truth....

The warming has not stopped. The older models are off because we have been taking action & reducing emission growth. \

Until now when the fucking stupid have taken over our country & will reverse the progress made.

I guess you just hate your kids. You value money more than your children's future?

If you assclowns seriously feared CO2, you support more nuke plants instead of wasting billions on windmills.

Most of the progress we made lately was do to fracking, something else you assclowns have fought.

But....but....they say the warming is hiding in the ocean...it is simply waiting to see its shadow....

My goodness, you are such a stupid fuck in every thing you post on. You might say that these charts are the shadow of the increasing warmth;

Arctic Sea Ice News and Analysis | Sea ice data updated daily with one-day lag

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38 years of records........out of the entire life of the planet....really.....? And during the middle ages...what satellite data did they have on ice in the Arctic? Moron.

Arctic Sea Ice News and Analysis | Sea ice data updated daily with one-day lag

You are the moron. You think that everyone is as stupid and ignorant as you obviously are. We have ice cores from Greenland and the Antarctic, some of which go back 800,000 years. We have ocean sediments that go back tens of millions of years. And we can measure isotopic ratios in the fossils of shell many millions of years old. And even ratios in rock that was ocean bottom sediment hundreds of millions of years old.

All of how that is done is on the net, so why not use that instrument that you post your ignorant messages on, and actually learn something.

And then the man made global warming religionists destroy the data, change the data, or hide it.......major scandals have come out about how they handle "data" and in each one they are lying about it....so until you morons actually care about the science we don't believe you....

And the major mover of climate...the Sun.......go measure that moron...

The Sun has been measured & the solar cycle is figured in.

And really, dragging up Climategate? That was debunked years ago.

No one destroyed the data. Data in everything is adjusted to take out factors that distort. Like measuring temps in a city where all the concrete & building distort the temps.

But hey, that is science & mathematics, two things you evidently know nothing about.

Past 150 years ago, it's all guess work and tree rings and core samples, that do not accurately paint a climate picture of how climate has changed over the millennia. All we know is that is does change.