Democracy: Yes or No

[Wry Catcher]

Democracy is not so much a system of government but an ideal that a government must respect for a country to be free. The People have a right to participate in government and every expectation that their government will be responsive to their collective will. These days American democracy has an enemy that all too often calls it "marxism" or "socialsm" to hide their authoritarian intentions. They cannot be allowed to define our most sacred core value as an evil leftist plot.

Are you suggesting democracy is our most sacred core value?

Democracy is a tool, a way to make decisions when conformity is required. It does NOT represent the collective will of the people. It represents the will of the majority, and imposes it on everyone else.

/——/ In a democracy if 50.1% vote to reinstate slavery, then it’s the law of the land. In a Republic 99% could vote for slavery but the representatives we elected could stop it. Savy that?

Sure, if each state had a Referendum and the vote was as you suggested. The problem is, a Referendum has no legal weight, it does not have the power to legislate.

In fact the Referendum is advisory, and an example of direct democracy without the authority to become mob rule.

The Initiative is an example of Direct Democracy, wherein the people can create a law in the State's Constitution. However, it can be reviewed by the States' Supreme Court and invalidated.

 

[Wry Catcher]

More food for thought:

Donald Trump's feud with Congress puts American democracy on the brink - CNNPolitics

For those, many who post on this message board, it seems they oppose universal suffrage and would prefer that only an elite should be eligible to vote.

For a long while some posters have denied we are a democratic republic, and prefer to use constitutional republic, some seek to overturn the 17th Amendment and some would require only property owners the right to vote.

Even the Supreme Court has watered down democracy in the two Citizen's United decisions and overturned a key provision of the Voting Rights Act to combat racial discrimination in voting.

"We have met the enemy and he is us"
Pogo

What ever happened to noblesse oblige: " the inferred responsibility of privileged people to act with generosity and nobility toward those less privileged."

The shit coming out of the filthy ass House nowadays is nothing more than typical Democrat Party dirty tricks. We that kind of shit every time the American people are stupid enough to elect the turds to office.

A typical well thought out comment by an educated supporter of something or someone. Maybe he will provide more insight into his opinion, and who or what he believes will lead this country for the good of all of the people and in what manner of governence.

 

[Flash]

More food for thought:

Donald Trump's feud with Congress puts American democracy on the brink - CNNPolitics

For those, many who post on this message board, it seems they oppose universal suffrage and would prefer that only an elite should be eligible to vote.

For a long while some posters have denied we are a democratic republic, and prefer to use constitutional republic, some seek to overturn the 17th Amendment and some would require only property owners the right to vote.

Even the Supreme Court has watered down democracy in the two Citizen's United decisions and overturned a key provision of the Voting Rights Act to combat racial discrimination in voting.

"We have met the enemy and he is us"
Pogo

What ever happened to noblesse oblige: " the inferred responsibility of privileged people to act with generosity and nobility toward those less privileged."

The shit coming out of the filthy ass House nowadays is nothing more than typical Democrat Party dirty tricks. We that kind of shit every time the American people are stupid enough to elect the turds to office.

A typical well thought out comment by an educated supporter of something or someone. Maybe he will provide more insight into his opinion, and who or what he believes will lead this country for the good of all of the people and in what manner of governence.

I don't want you to have the voting right to use the oppressive government to take the money that I earn for your own greedy use. I don't want you to have the voting right to take away the liberties guaranteed to me in our Bill of Rights.

Democracy sucks donkey dicks when it is used for oppression and thievery and that is exactly what the Left Wing turds of the Democrat party want to do.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Yes I know you are a brainwashed ignoramus. Socialists don't attack other countries. Except extreme socialists IE communists back in the good old days

Socialists don't attack other countries... except when they do.

Like when, Einstein? And not communist countries again...

Why not? They're socilaist couintries.

 

[Wry Catcher]

More food for thought:

Donald Trump's feud with Congress puts American democracy on the brink - CNNPolitics

For those, many who post on this message board, it seems they oppose universal suffrage and would prefer that only an elite should be eligible to vote.

For a long while some posters have denied we are a democratic republic, and prefer to use constitutional republic, some seek to overturn the 17th Amendment and some would require only property owners the right to vote.

Even the Supreme Court has watered down democracy in the two Citizen's United decisions and overturned a key provision of the Voting Rights Act to combat racial discrimination in voting.

"We have met the enemy and he is us"
Pogo

What ever happened to noblesse oblige: " the inferred responsibility of privileged people to act with generosity and nobility toward those less privileged."

I guess its a good thing that America has no democracy to threaten!

It doesn't? Tell the reader how members of Congress got their seat?

By Lottery?
By Paternity

How?

 

[Wry Catcher]

More food for thought:

Donald Trump's feud with Congress puts American democracy on the brink - CNNPolitics

For those, many who post on this message board, it seems they oppose universal suffrage and would prefer that only an elite should be eligible to vote.

For a long while some posters have denied we are a democratic republic, and prefer to use constitutional republic, some seek to overturn the 17th Amendment and some would require only property owners the right to vote.

Even the Supreme Court has watered down democracy in the two Citizen's United decisions and overturned a key provision of the Voting Rights Act to combat racial discrimination in voting.

"We have met the enemy and he is us"
Pogo

What ever happened to noblesse oblige: " the inferred responsibility of privileged people to act with generosity and nobility toward those less privileged."

The shit coming out of the filthy ass House nowadays is nothing more than typical Democrat Party dirty tricks. We that kind of shit every time the American people are stupid enough to elect the turds to office.

A typical well thought out comment by an educated supporter of something or someone. Maybe he will provide more insight into his opinion, and who or what he believes will lead this country for the good of all of the people and in what manner of governence.

I don't want you to have the voting right to use the oppressive government to take the money that I earn for your own greedy use. I don't want you to have the voting right to take away the liberties guaranteed to me in our Bill of Rights.

Democracy sucks donkey dicks when it is used for oppression and thievery and that is exactly what the Left Wing turds of the Democrat party want to do.

You have tacitly accepted the duty to pay taxes; tacitly since you accept the benefits you may receive from those levels of government which receive revenue to do so.

You have a duty to pay taxes. You can whine all day and still pay, otherwise you may end up in a jail cell, or pay what you owe plus interest and a fine.

 

[Flash]

More food for thought:

Donald Trump's feud with Congress puts American democracy on the brink - CNNPolitics

For those, many who post on this message board, it seems they oppose universal suffrage and would prefer that only an elite should be eligible to vote.

For a long while some posters have denied we are a democratic republic, and prefer to use constitutional republic, some seek to overturn the 17th Amendment and some would require only property owners the right to vote.

Even the Supreme Court has watered down democracy in the two Citizen's United decisions and overturned a key provision of the Voting Rights Act to combat racial discrimination in voting.

"We have met the enemy and he is us"
Pogo

What ever happened to noblesse oblige: " the inferred responsibility of privileged people to act with generosity and nobility toward those less privileged."

The shit coming out of the filthy ass House nowadays is nothing more than typical Democrat Party dirty tricks. We that kind of shit every time the American people are stupid enough to elect the turds to office.

A typical well thought out comment by an educated supporter of something or someone. Maybe he will provide more insight into his opinion, and who or what he believes will lead this country for the good of all of the people and in what manner of governence.

I don't want you to have the voting right to use the oppressive government to take the money that I earn for your own greedy use. I don't want you to have the voting right to take away the liberties guaranteed to me in our Bill of Rights.

Democracy sucks donkey dicks when it is used for oppression and thievery and that is exactly what the Left Wing turds of the Democrat party want to do.

You have tacitly accepted the duty to pay taxes; tacitly since you accept the benefits you may receive from those levels of government which receive revenue to do so.

You have a duty to pay taxes. You can whine all day and still pay, otherwise you may end up in a jail cell, or pay what you owe plus interest and a fine.

You are confused Moon Bat.

I haven't accepted jackshit.

I am being forced into providing welfare to you Moon Bat assholes and you Illegal buddies.

Democracy is morally wrong when it is used for state sponsored thievery and oppression. It is nothing more than slavery to the state. The 13th Amendment doesn't mean jackshit in this country when I am forced to work and give my money to pay your fucking bills.

 

[francoHFW]

Yes I know you are a brainwashed ignoramus. Socialists don't attack other countries. Except extreme socialists IE communists back in the good old days

Socialists don't attack other countries... except when they do.

Like when, Einstein? And not communist countries again...

Why not? They're socilaist couintries.

Socialists for the last sixty to eighty years has been defined as democratic. Excepting GOP dupe world.

 

[francoHFW]

More food for thought:

Donald Trump's feud with Congress puts American democracy on the brink - CNNPolitics

For those, many who post on this message board, it seems they oppose universal suffrage and would prefer that only an elite should be eligible to vote.

For a long while some posters have denied we are a democratic republic, and prefer to use constitutional republic, some seek to overturn the 17th Amendment and some would require only property owners the right to vote.

Even the Supreme Court has watered down democracy in the two Citizen's United decisions and overturned a key provision of the Voting Rights Act to combat racial discrimination in voting.

"We have met the enemy and he is us"
Pogo

What ever happened to noblesse oblige: " the inferred responsibility of privileged people to act with generosity and nobility toward those less privileged."

The shit coming out of the filthy ass House nowadays is nothing more than typical Democrat Party dirty tricks. We that kind of shit every time the American people are stupid enough to elect the turds to office.

A typical well thought out comment by an educated supporter of something or someone. Maybe he will provide more insight into his opinion, and who or what he believes will lead this country for the good of all of the people and in what manner of governence.

I don't want you to have the voting right to use the oppressive government to take the money that I earn for your own greedy use. I don't want you to have the voting right to take away the liberties guaranteed to me in our Bill of Rights.

Democracy sucks donkey dicks when it is used for oppression and thievery and that is exactly what the Left Wing turds of the Democrat party want to do.

You have tacitly accepted the duty to pay taxes; tacitly since you accept the benefits you may receive from those levels of government which receive revenue to do so.

You have a duty to pay taxes. You can whine all day and still pay, otherwise you may end up in a jail cell, or pay what you owe plus interest and a fine.

You are confused Moon Bat.

I haven't accepted jackshit.

I am being forced into providing welfare to you Moon Bat assholes and you Illegal buddies.

Democracy is morally wrong when it is used for state sponsored thievery and oppression. It is nothing more than slavery to the state. The 13th Amendment doesn't mean jackshit in this country when I am forced to work and give my money to pay your fucking bills.

You are an incredibly poor and misinformed citizen... Change the channel read some newspapers and get informed.

 

[Wry Catcher]

More food for thought:

Donald Trump's feud with Congress puts American democracy on the brink - CNNPolitics

For those, many who post on this message board, it seems they oppose universal suffrage and would prefer that only an elite should be eligible to vote.

For a long while some posters have denied we are a democratic republic, and prefer to use constitutional republic, some seek to overturn the 17th Amendment and some would require only property owners the right to vote.

Even the Supreme Court has watered down democracy in the two Citizen's United decisions and overturned a key provision of the Voting Rights Act to combat racial discrimination in voting.

"We have met the enemy and he is us"
Pogo

What ever happened to noblesse oblige: " the inferred responsibility of privileged people to act with generosity and nobility toward those less privileged."

The shit coming out of the filthy ass House nowadays is nothing more than typical Democrat Party dirty tricks. We that kind of shit every time the American people are stupid enough to elect the turds to office.

A typical well thought out comment by an educated supporter of something or someone. Maybe he will provide more insight into his opinion, and who or what he believes will lead this country for the good of all of the people and in what manner of governence.

I don't want you to have the voting right to use the oppressive government to take the money that I earn for your own greedy use. I don't want you to have the voting right to take away the liberties guaranteed to me in our Bill of Rights.

Democracy sucks donkey dicks when it is used for oppression and thievery and that is exactly what the Left Wing turds of the Democrat party want to do.

You have tacitly accepted the duty to pay taxes; tacitly since you accept the benefits you may receive from those levels of government which receive revenue to do so.

You have a duty to pay taxes. You can whine all day and still pay, otherwise you may end up in a jail cell, or pay what you owe plus interest and a fine.

You are confused Moon Bat.

I haven't accepted jackshit.

I am being forced into providing welfare to you Moon Bat assholes and you Illegal buddies.

Democracy is morally wrong when it is used for state sponsored thievery and oppression. It is nothing more than slavery to the state. The 13th Amendment doesn't mean jackshit in this country when I am forced to work and give my money to pay your fucking bills.

Go to hell, Flash. Calling me a "Moon Bat asshole" is foolish, and you know nothing about me, my financial situation or much of anything.

I doubt someone as dumb as you could pay my taxes, since my wife and I don't have any debts but for the Mortgage on our home in the SF Bay Area.

 

[Wry Catcher]

The shit coming out of the filthy ass House nowadays is nothing more than typical Democrat Party dirty tricks. We that kind of shit every time the American people are stupid enough to elect the turds to office.

A typical well thought out comment by an educated supporter of something or someone. Maybe he will provide more insight into his opinion, and who or what he believes will lead this country for the good of all of the people and in what manner of governence.

I don't want you to have the voting right to use the oppressive government to take the money that I earn for your own greedy use. I don't want you to have the voting right to take away the liberties guaranteed to me in our Bill of Rights.

Democracy sucks donkey dicks when it is used for oppression and thievery and that is exactly what the Left Wing turds of the Democrat party want to do.

You have tacitly accepted the duty to pay taxes; tacitly since you accept the benefits you may receive from those levels of government which receive revenue to do so.

You have a duty to pay taxes. You can whine all day and still pay, otherwise you may end up in a jail cell, or pay what you owe plus interest and a fine.

You are confused Moon Bat.

I haven't accepted jackshit.

I am being forced into providing welfare to you Moon Bat assholes and you Illegal buddies.

Democracy is morally wrong when it is used for state sponsored thievery and oppression. It is nothing more than slavery to the state. The 13th Amendment doesn't mean jackshit in this country when I am forced to work and give my money to pay your fucking bills.

You are an incredibly poor and misinformed citizen... Change the channel read some newspapers and get informed.

Spot on, he knows nothing but what he has been told to believe, mostly by watching Fox News and/or listening to Limbaugh or Hannity.

 

[francoHFW]

A typical well thought out comment by an educated supporter of something or someone. Maybe he will provide more insight into his opinion, and who or what he believes will lead this country for the good of all of the people and in what manner of governence.

I don't want you to have the voting right to use the oppressive government to take the money that I earn for your own greedy use. I don't want you to have the voting right to take away the liberties guaranteed to me in our Bill of Rights.

Democracy sucks donkey dicks when it is used for oppression and thievery and that is exactly what the Left Wing turds of the Democrat party want to do.

You have tacitly accepted the duty to pay taxes; tacitly since you accept the benefits you may receive from those levels of government which receive revenue to do so.

You have a duty to pay taxes. You can whine all day and still pay, otherwise you may end up in a jail cell, or pay what you owe plus interest and a fine.

You are confused Moon Bat.

I haven't accepted jackshit.

I am being forced into providing welfare to you Moon Bat assholes and you Illegal buddies.

Democracy is morally wrong when it is used for state sponsored thievery and oppression. It is nothing more than slavery to the state. The 13th Amendment doesn't mean jackshit in this country when I am forced to work and give my money to pay your fucking bills.

You are an incredibly poor and misinformed citizen... Change the channel read some newspapers and get informed.

Spot on, he knows nothing but what he has been told to believe, mostly by watching Fox News and/or listening to Limbaugh or Hannity.

The Republican base ought to change their name to the brainwashed party. It was pathetically easy for Trump to take it over just by repeating the garbage propaganda. The rich pay too much in taxes, Hillary Obama etcetera are criminals who should be locked up--who needs evidence or courtrooms?, and asking for any benefits that all other modern countries have is just wanting free stuff. Pure brainwashed idiocy.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Yes I know you are a brainwashed ignoramus. Socialists don't attack other countries. Except extreme socialists IE communists back in the good old days

Socialists don't attack other countries... except when they do.

Like when, Einstein? And not communist countries again...

Why not? They're socilaist couintries.

Socialists for the last sixty to eighty years has been defined as democratic. Excepting GOP dupe world.

So... to make your point, you have to change the definitions of the terms you use, and exclude examples that prove your point unsound.
Says all that needs to be said.

 

[Darkwind]

More food for thought:

Donald Trump's feud with Congress puts American democracy on the brink - CNNPolitics

For those, many who post on this message board, it seems they oppose universal suffrage and would prefer that only an elite should be eligible to vote.

For a long while some posters have denied we are a democratic republic, and prefer to use constitutional republic, some seek to overturn the 17th Amendment and some would require only property owners the right to vote.

Even the Supreme Court has watered down democracy in the two Citizen's United decisions and overturned a key provision of the Voting Rights Act to combat racial discrimination in voting.

"We have met the enemy and he is us"
Pogo

What ever happened to noblesse oblige: " the inferred responsibility of privileged people to act with generosity and nobility toward those less privileged."

I guess its a good thing that America has no democracy to threaten!

It doesn't? Tell the reader how members of Congress got their seat?

By Lottery?
By Paternity

How?

The members of Congress and ONLY represent their constituents. Tell, and everyone else, is the person elected obligated to do as those who elected him or her tell them to? In a democracy, they would vote to send the representative, then they would vote in each issue and tell the representative how they are to cast their vote.

Have you seen any of that recently? Or ever?

We are NOT a democracy in any sense of the word.

 

[Wry Catcher]

I don't want you to have the voting right to use the oppressive government to take the money that I earn for your own greedy use. I don't want you to have the voting right to take away the liberties guaranteed to me in our Bill of Rights.

Democracy sucks donkey dicks when it is used for oppression and thievery and that is exactly what the Left Wing turds of the Democrat party want to do.

You have tacitly accepted the duty to pay taxes; tacitly since you accept the benefits you may receive from those levels of government which receive revenue to do so.

You have a duty to pay taxes. You can whine all day and still pay, otherwise you may end up in a jail cell, or pay what you owe plus interest and a fine.

You are confused Moon Bat.

I haven't accepted jackshit.

I am being forced into providing welfare to you Moon Bat assholes and you Illegal buddies.

Democracy is morally wrong when it is used for state sponsored thievery and oppression. It is nothing more than slavery to the state. The 13th Amendment doesn't mean jackshit in this country when I am forced to work and give my money to pay your fucking bills.

You are an incredibly poor and misinformed citizen... Change the channel read some newspapers and get informed.

Spot on, he knows nothing but what he has been told to believe, mostly by watching Fox News and/or listening to Limbaugh or Hannity.

The Republican base ought to change their name to the brainwashed party. It was pathetically easy for Trump to take it over just by repeating the garbage propaganda. The rich pay too much in taxes, Hillary Obama etcetera are criminals who should be locked up--who needs evidence or courtrooms?, and asking for any benefits that all other modern countries have is just wanting free stuff. Pure brainwashed idiocy.

I agree, they will believe everything Trump says or tweets, even when he contradicts what he says or tweets in the same speech or twitter.

Biddable, are these ^^^ and they dominate who and what incorporates the Trump base.

 

[francoHFW]

You have tacitly accepted the duty to pay taxes; tacitly since you accept the benefits you may receive from those levels of government which receive revenue to do so.

You have a duty to pay taxes. You can whine all day and still pay, otherwise you may end up in a jail cell, or pay what you owe plus interest and a fine.

You are confused Moon Bat.

I haven't accepted jackshit.

I am being forced into providing welfare to you Moon Bat assholes and you Illegal buddies.

Democracy is morally wrong when it is used for state sponsored thievery and oppression. It is nothing more than slavery to the state. The 13th Amendment doesn't mean jackshit in this country when I am forced to work and give my money to pay your fucking bills.

You are an incredibly poor and misinformed citizen... Change the channel read some newspapers and get informed.

Spot on, he knows nothing but what he has been told to believe, mostly by watching Fox News and/or listening to Limbaugh or Hannity.

The Republican base ought to change their name to the brainwashed party. It was pathetically easy for Trump to take it over just by repeating the garbage propaganda. The rich pay too much in taxes, Hillary Obama etcetera are criminals who should be locked up--who needs evidence or courtrooms?, and asking for any benefits that all other modern countries have is just wanting free stuff. Pure brainwashed idiocy.

I agree, they will believe everything Trump says or tweets, even when he contradicts what he says or tweets in the same speech or twitter.

Biddable, are these ^^^ and they dominate who and what incorporates the Trump base.

He is a genius White business man after all. Con man actually LOL. Fox and Sean seem to be running the country now anyway. He knows he has to agree with them...

 

[daveman]

I provided a link for my claim. You screeched like a shit-flinging monkey.

I said it was highly debatable propaganda. from the Federalist which is garbage.

You said it...as if that was a refutation.

I say you're an idiot. But the difference between us is, I have proof.

All the examples they have of Obama doing unconstitutional things are garbage and very highly debatable. The Federalist is just part of the GOP propaganda echo chamber. Easy money for hacksMegan.

Well, it's no CNN, I'll give you that.

It is run by Megan's husband. Quite a hack.

Megan's husband, the raging moonbat leftist? Yeah.

 

[daveman]

/——/ What part of The National Socialist German Workers' Party confuses you?

So you believe all right-wing propaganda then, super duper? Socialists are always democratic and are not Nazis. What they really meant was they had a war economy with socialist benefits, paid for by debt and Jewish confiscations. Not leftist at all. That is a brand new theory that disgusts all historians, just GOP propaganda. To confuse you ignoramuses.

Whoever taught you history, you have a good case for malpractice.

it wasn't some bought off radio demagogue or whatever wherever you get this crap now.... LOL Hobart College University of Buffalo University of Rochester sorbonne.

Shame those once-good schools started pushing Marxist propaganda on people too unsophisticated to question it.

But then, no rational person chooses to embrace your beliefs. It has to be forced on people.

No American I've ever heard of is for Marxist dictatorship owning all property and Industry. You're out of your mind. Socialism is not communism 4 60 years now. You are fear-mongers to the point of brainlessness dangerous idiocy LOL. Bernie and I are talking up fairness instead of inequality and give away to the rich, super duper.

The goal of socialism is communism.

-- Vladimir Lenin

But you've claimed before he doesn't know anything about Communism, so there's that.

 

[francoHFW]

So you believe all right-wing propaganda then, super duper? Socialists are always democratic and are not Nazis. What they really meant was they had a war economy with socialist benefits, paid for by debt and Jewish confiscations. Not leftist at all. That is a brand new theory that disgusts all historians, just GOP propaganda. To confuse you ignoramuses.

Whoever taught you history, you have a good case for malpractice.

it wasn't some bought off radio demagogue or whatever wherever you get this crap now.... LOL Hobart College University of Buffalo University of Rochester sorbonne.

Shame those once-good schools started pushing Marxist propaganda on people too unsophisticated to question it.

But then, no rational person chooses to embrace your beliefs. It has to be forced on people.

No American I've ever heard of is for Marxist dictatorship owning all property and Industry. You're out of your mind. Socialism is not communism 4 60 years now. You are fear-mongers to the point of brainlessness dangerous idiocy LOL. Bernie and I are talking up fairness instead of inequality and give away to the rich, super duper.

The goal of socialism is communism.

-- Vladimir Lenin

But you've claimed before he doesn't know anything about Communism, so there's that.

Communism has always been put in by violent revolution and it sucks. Lenin was nuts. So was Marx. all wrong. Look at page 1 of this thread. socialists parted from communism in 1923 and then finally in 1951. Every country that has A communist party and democracy has a socialist party that is totally different. Republicans are totally brainwashed clueless. The Cold War is over the Communists lost.

 

[francoHFW]

I said it was highly debatable propaganda. from the Federalist which is garbage.

You said it...as if that was a refutation.

I say you're an idiot. But the difference between us is, I have proof.

All the examples they have of Obama doing unconstitutional things are garbage and very highly debatable. The Federalist is just part of the GOP propaganda echo chamber. Easy money for hacksMegan.

Well, it's no CNN, I'll give you that.

It is run by Megan's husband. Quite a hack.

Megan's husband, the raging moonbat leftist? Yeah.

Meghan McCain her husband is an idiot conservative. The only kind.