Democrat Party supporters please explain this.

[gtopa1]

Why, should I as a 39 (soon to be 40) year old business owner, family man (two kids in middle school), living in Boston should not be at best annoyed at worst extremely worried if the Democrats win the White House and the Senate?

The Democrat Party:

• Called the riots a Myth and said protests were mostly peaceful when cities were burning. They need to be 100% peaceful. They only proceeded with denouncement once the polls showed them slipping.
• COVID death rates are highest in Blue States, including mine, MA. I am a COVID survivor and convalescent plasma donor but I don't feel confident in terms of their pandemic response. My kids are 100% remote when the WHO stated that school kids are NOT super spreaders and lockdowns are terrible because they cause their own issues such as loss of business, depression, late diagnosis of medical ailments, etc.
• They state because I am white I have some sort of privilege and that I am inherently racist. I find that not only abhorrent but borderline unconstitutional as they take away my free speech. My skin color should not determine my beliefs. That is like stating I must be cheap because I am Jewish.
• Instead of denouncing Antifa they call it an "idea". They are hypocrites in that my kids are not allowed in school but are welcome to protest in large gatherings.
• They vilify our police force instead of teaching our youth to respect authority.
• They are pro everyone gets a trophy but that is not how real life works. If there is one opening for a job then one person gets it. Teaching winning and losing is very important and should start at a young age.
• They call America inherently racist but I am a son of immigrants from the old Soviet Union. When my kids get a little older I will make them watch Schindler's List. They can see what real oppression is. What real hatred is. What real genocide looks like. This is the greatest country in the world and that is what we should be teaching our youth. It is not without warts but what country is?
• As a Jewish family, Israel support is important to us and I am concerned that the Democrats would rather partner with Iran and the terror states of Palestine rather than side with Israel.
• I am OK with a change in our healthcare system but I am not sure how nationalizing it will encourage our youth to go into medicine when medical school is so pricey and the doctor compensation would be capped. I truly prefer free markets.
• I am further concerned that if my kids have conservative views as they get older they will be vilified because those views are suddenly deemed racist by the Left. Overall the word "racist" has lost its meaning. Or if my kids lean left they will follow and become intolerant of those with conservative views.
• From a financial perspective I am not sure the Democrats understand that raising the minimum wage results in loss of jobs due to robots becoming more economically feasible. Also higher regulations, eliminating fracking and raising taxes will further slow the economy.
• It is tough for me to understand why the Democrat party is focused on forced teaching of diversity and vilification of white persons. People cannot control their skin color so why focus on it?
• The bias in the media and censorship of conservative views is dangerous and would be equally dangerous if it were the other way around. Schools should teach kids how to think versus what to think and the media should report facts and allow the viewers to form their opinions versus skewing the facts. This has less to do with if Democrats win but it certainly would further empower an already biased media.
• Lastly, the transgender debate is frightening. I have two daughters. I have seen firsthand how boys now identify as girls and play sports vs. biological girls. The advantage the boys had is notable. I cannot get on the same page that gender is a social construct and that biological boys should be allowed in girls locker rooms and be allowed to compete in sports against them. The left turns a blind eye to it and calls concerned parents like myself transphobic. But why is it wrong for me not to want my girls to change in the locker room if a boy is present? Why is it wrong for me to want my girls to compete vs. other females? Female sports finally have some limelight and recognition and now this comes along?

This assumes that Trump loses and the Republicans lose the Senate so please don't make this thread about Trump but address the above topics. I would like to have an honest debate. Doesn't need to be civil but it needs to be honest.


Thank you

It’s tough to have a debate when you make so many different points. Would you like to pick one and we can dig in?

AzogtheDefiler tell Slade3200 to go fuck himself...he will tell you to get woke and bend over...with clever sophisticated word play ofcourse.

Beat it dude. This discussion is above your pay grade

Haha..seen this movie a thousand times before...You will stay engaged with anyone who follows the nutless PC protocol set forth by Leftist filth and then puss out the second a wise man with nuts gets too honest.... AzogtheDefiler tell him to fuck off now and save yourself time and energy. TRUST ME.

The problem here is that if Biden wins and the Democrats win the Senate then there will be no discussion. They will tell me to just suck it up and live with it. Not right.

I thought we were having a perfectly legit conversation. No?

What is congenital adrenal hyperplasia (CAH), and is it a DSD? | Accord Alliance

The adrenal glands are hormone-producing glands that both males and females have. They are located in the back of our bodies, above our kidneys. The adrenals are important in part because they help our bodies respond to stress. Congenital adrenal hyperplasia (CAH) is an inborn condition in which...

www.accordalliance.org

MEDICAL condition.

Greg

 

[playtime]

Why, should I as a 39 (soon to be 40) year old business owner, family man (two kids in middle school), living in Boston should not be at best annoyed at worst extremely worried if the Democrats win the White House and the Senate?

The Democrat Party:

• Called the riots a Myth and said protests were mostly peaceful when cities were burning. They need to be 100% peaceful. They only proceeded with denouncement once the polls showed them slipping.
• COVID death rates are highest in Blue States, including mine, MA. I am a COVID survivor and convalescent plasma donor but I don't feel confident in terms of their pandemic response. My kids are 100% remote when the WHO stated that school kids are NOT super spreaders and lockdowns are terrible because they cause their own issues such as loss of business, depression, late diagnosis of medical ailments, etc.
• They state because I am white I have some sort of privilege and that I am inherently racist. I find that not only abhorrent but borderline unconstitutional as they take away my free speech. My skin color should not determine my beliefs. That is like stating I must be cheap because I am Jewish.
• Instead of denouncing Antifa they call it an "idea". They are hypocrites in that my kids are not allowed in school but are welcome to protest in large gatherings.
• They vilify our police force instead of teaching our youth to respect authority.
• They are pro everyone gets a trophy but that is not how real life works. If there is one opening for a job then one person gets it. Teaching winning and losing is very important and should start at a young age.
• They call America inherently racist but I am a son of immigrants from the old Soviet Union. When my kids get a little older I will make them watch Schindler's List. They can see what real oppression is. What real hatred is. What real genocide looks like. This is the greatest country in the world and that is what we should be teaching our youth. It is not without warts but what country is?
• As a Jewish family, Israel support is important to us and I am concerned that the Democrats would rather partner with Iran and the terror states of Palestine rather than side with Israel.
• I am OK with a change in our healthcare system but I am not sure how nationalizing it will encourage our youth to go into medicine when medical school is so pricey and the doctor compensation would be capped. I truly prefer free markets.
• I am further concerned that if my kids have conservative views as they get older they will be vilified because those views are suddenly deemed racist by the Left. Overall the word "racist" has lost its meaning. Or if my kids lean left they will follow and become intolerant of those with conservative views.
• From a financial perspective I am not sure the Democrats understand that raising the minimum wage results in loss of jobs due to robots becoming more economically feasible. Also higher regulations, eliminating fracking and raising taxes will further slow the economy.
• It is tough for me to understand why the Democrat party is focused on forced teaching of diversity and vilification of white persons. People cannot control their skin color so why focus on it?
• The bias in the media and censorship of conservative views is dangerous and would be equally dangerous if it were the other way around. Schools should teach kids how to think versus what to think and the media should report facts and allow the viewers to form their opinions versus skewing the facts. This has less to do with if Democrats win but it certainly would further empower an already biased media.
• Lastly, the transgender debate is frightening. I have two daughters. I have seen firsthand how boys now identify as girls and play sports vs. biological girls. The advantage the boys had is notable. I cannot get on the same page that gender is a social construct and that biological boys should be allowed in girls locker rooms and be allowed to compete in sports against them. The left turns a blind eye to it and calls concerned parents like myself transphobic. But why is it wrong for me not to want my girls to change in the locker room if a boy is present? Why is it wrong for me to want my girls to compete vs. other females? Female sports finally have some limelight and recognition and now this comes along?

This assumes that Trump loses and the Republicans lose the Senate so please don't make this thread about Trump but address the above topics. I would like to have an honest debate. Doesn't need to be civil but it needs to be honest.


Thank you

There is no one running for president in a party named Democrat, now there is in the Democratic Party.

You're right the Democratic Party no longer exisits... It's been fully infiltrated by Marxist Socialist Communists.

the (R)s have taken on whackadoodles from Q-anon that are being welcomed in & embraced by the status quo.

Why are you hijacking the thread? Not cool.

i'm doing no such thing. sorry if you thought i was... i was simply replying to a couple posters based on what they said.

So will you address the OP? If not then please bow out. Thank you.

perhaps next time you enter another poster's thread, you do the same, m'k?

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Why, should I as a 39 (soon to be 40) year old business owner, family man (two kids in middle school), living in Boston should not be at best annoyed at worst extremely worried if the Democrats win the White House and the Senate?

The Democrat Party:

• Called the riots a Myth and said protests were mostly peaceful when cities were burning. They need to be 100% peaceful. They only proceeded with denouncement once the polls showed them slipping.
• COVID death rates are highest in Blue States, including mine, MA. I am a COVID survivor and convalescent plasma donor but I don't feel confident in terms of their pandemic response. My kids are 100% remote when the WHO stated that school kids are NOT super spreaders and lockdowns are terrible because they cause their own issues such as loss of business, depression, late diagnosis of medical ailments, etc.
• They state because I am white I have some sort of privilege and that I am inherently racist. I find that not only abhorrent but borderline unconstitutional as they take away my free speech. My skin color should not determine my beliefs. That is like stating I must be cheap because I am Jewish.
• Instead of denouncing Antifa they call it an "idea". They are hypocrites in that my kids are not allowed in school but are welcome to protest in large gatherings.
• They vilify our police force instead of teaching our youth to respect authority.
• They are pro everyone gets a trophy but that is not how real life works. If there is one opening for a job then one person gets it. Teaching winning and losing is very important and should start at a young age.
• They call America inherently racist but I am a son of immigrants from the old Soviet Union. When my kids get a little older I will make them watch Schindler's List. They can see what real oppression is. What real hatred is. What real genocide looks like. This is the greatest country in the world and that is what we should be teaching our youth. It is not without warts but what country is?
• As a Jewish family, Israel support is important to us and I am concerned that the Democrats would rather partner with Iran and the terror states of Palestine rather than side with Israel.
• I am OK with a change in our healthcare system but I am not sure how nationalizing it will encourage our youth to go into medicine when medical school is so pricey and the doctor compensation would be capped. I truly prefer free markets.
• I am further concerned that if my kids have conservative views as they get older they will be vilified because those views are suddenly deemed racist by the Left. Overall the word "racist" has lost its meaning. Or if my kids lean left they will follow and become intolerant of those with conservative views.
• From a financial perspective I am not sure the Democrats understand that raising the minimum wage results in loss of jobs due to robots becoming more economically feasible. Also higher regulations, eliminating fracking and raising taxes will further slow the economy.
• It is tough for me to understand why the Democrat party is focused on forced teaching of diversity and vilification of white persons. People cannot control their skin color so why focus on it?
• The bias in the media and censorship of conservative views is dangerous and would be equally dangerous if it were the other way around. Schools should teach kids how to think versus what to think and the media should report facts and allow the viewers to form their opinions versus skewing the facts. This has less to do with if Democrats win but it certainly would further empower an already biased media.
• Lastly, the transgender debate is frightening. I have two daughters. I have seen firsthand how boys now identify as girls and play sports vs. biological girls. The advantage the boys had is notable. I cannot get on the same page that gender is a social construct and that biological boys should be allowed in girls locker rooms and be allowed to compete in sports against them. The left turns a blind eye to it and calls concerned parents like myself transphobic. But why is it wrong for me not to want my girls to change in the locker room if a boy is present? Why is it wrong for me to want my girls to compete vs. other females? Female sports finally have some limelight and recognition and now this comes along?

This assumes that Trump loses and the Republicans lose the Senate so please don't make this thread about Trump but address the above topics. I would like to have an honest debate. Doesn't need to be civil but it needs to be honest.


Thank you

It’s tough to have a debate when you make so many different points. Would you like to pick one and we can dig in?

How about the last one please?

Man, the transgender children situation is a tough one. I fully understand the locker room concerns and the sports participation concerns. I also really feel for those children that suffer from an identity disorder as they must be tremendously struggling with it on a daily basis. Imagine if one of your daughters Was dealing with this?? Think how difficult that would be for her and you and you’re family.

With that said, I’d hope any school could make accommodations for these situations that make everybody feel as safe and included as possible. Doesn't that go to the core of a schools responsibility?

so perhaps a trans child could use a private office to get changed instead of a commonplace locker room. And perhaps when it comes to sports if the child is a trans female and a top performer then they compete with the boys. If they are not a top performer then they compete with the girls. Place them where appropriate depending on their skill level.

what do you think of those ideas?

I dislike them. I believe it creates a slippery slope. What if the boy child takes away a spot on a team from a biological girl? How is that fair? Trans is a mental illness and should be treated as such but other kids should not have to suffer.

And right now the fight is to have them be equals because gender is a social construct. If one of my girls identified as a boy it would not impact boy sports as boys are generally a lot more athletic. The other way however it’s not the case. Why not leave athletics as strictly biological? That is science. And Democrats keep yelling at us to trust science.

The fight is for awareness and education and acceptance. You seem to want to call them sick and dismiss them. The same was said about gays only a few years ago and blacks/women/non Christians in times before that.

Sports being strictly biological may be the solution for some very competitive programs. But some schools don’t take the competitiveness of their sports programs as seriously as others. Some see sports as a healthy after school activity and an area for kids to learn about teamwork, discipline and sportsmanship. Allowing kids to participate feel included and learn the very valuable skills that sports can teach can be so impactful.

I understand you solution to keep it strictly biological. Do you see any potential problems or issues that it might cause for some trans children?

No. They need medical help. If a girl is gay she is still a girl and may compete vs other girls. Boys are naturally bigger and stronger and more athletic. In terms of sports it should be strictly biological. Otherwise it’s not fair to girls. And scholarships could be up for grabs as well as captaincy. We need fair play in sports and allowing boys to compete versus girls because they identify as girls is physically dangerous to biological girls.

What kind of help?

Help in that they are born a boy. See why they identify as a girl as at the age of 12 they are still kids. At 18 they may decide how they wish. See what had caused them to feel this way. It’s not “normal”...suicide rates are extraordinarily high. Imagine if a boy said I identify as a couch. Would we just go along with it or get him some help to see why he feels that way. Me calling him a couch wouldn’t make him a couch.

Yes, families and psychiatrists have been struggling woth this for years and there is some good information on how different family’s, children and doctors have been trying to address it. Why do you think their suicide rate is so high. Think how isolated and judged and vilified, and bullied they must feel. It’s pretty heartbreaking to think of children going through that

Its high because they have a mental illness. If society accepts them they still look off. I am sorry but they do. It may be the new normal but it should not be in youth sports.

I never said anything about a new norm but certainly you understand how calling them sick or wrong or perverts or deranged or the plethora of other names the haters like to use... you see how that only makes the issues worse right? Tell me what harm comes from making them feel understood, loved, accepted, included?? Your a father and a coach, you know how children are... out yourself in the shoes of a parent of a kid who is truly struggling with this and tell me what kind of environment would be best for these kids?

Because it makes the other 99.9% highly uncomfortable. This isn’t about sexual persuasion but about actually identifying as something you’re not and going against science. If a child identifies as God do we go along with it or get them some help? I think by accepting their delusion you’re only setting them up for future distress as adults.

Because many have fed into this delusion we now have these kids changing in opposite gender locker rooms and playing sports with weaker persons biologically. Just not right. I would be willing to compromise if sports were not part of the package. To me it’s crazy to allow biological boys who identify as girls play sports vs biological girls.

To be fair. There is not a natural “right and wrong” it is our society that paints men as those with short hair and Pants and girls with Long hair make up and dresses. Neither of us know the psychology enough to tell what’s going on or how exactly trans people feel. I try and stay away from the “my way or the highway” perspective

That’s fine but in sports we need to separate by science not construct. As good as Serena Williams is she would lose to 100s of men. It would not be fair if Rafa Nadal identified as a woman and started winning grand slams.

They actually have stricter standards than simply identifying as the opposite sex for participating in competitions if one is trans. I believe the olympics and other major sports organizations have addressed these standards. Might be interesting to see what they’ve come up with. For the most part A with pro athletes I agree with you. For children I think we are further apart

It’s even worse for children. You’re infecting an entire team and killing their potential bond.

I don’t see it as an infection. Language like that perpetuates the problem IMO. I understand you’re uncomfortable with it as it’s something that you don’t understand. That doesn’t mean it is wrong or evil.

But you are. If nine players feel uncomfortable the team won’t gel. Part of me picking the team consists of chemistry. You throw a trans girl into the mix and it goes to hell. Just reality.

If that’s the case then why allow them in the classroom? I mean the kids would still be uncomfortable and doesn’t that hurt their learning experience?

Classroom is a single person experience. Your math test is yours. Sports is a team event. You’re only as strong as your weakest player. Apples and oranges. No one is taking my daughters math test for her. But if she is struggling with her J her teammates can pick her up.

If you’re so big on life lessons then don’t you think it valuable for kids to learn how to work with people that they don’t necessarily gel or feel comfortable with? We don’t always get to pick the teams we work with in our jobs or the partners we may need to negotiate and make deals with. It’s also ignorant to assume that straight grips would all feel uncomfortable with a trans girl. What if they love the trans girl but feel uncomfortable with the black girl? Should black girls not be allowed on the team? You see the slippery slope Right?

Our team has two black girls and an Asian girl. And no they would feel weird as would I. It would crack the fabric of a great team. We played against two teams with trans players. My girls were giggling and yet felt weird.

And 50 years ago the same was said about having that black and Asian girls on the team.

change doesn’t come easy but in retrospect you can see how wrong it was to have segregated schools. We are currently experiencing the same transition with the LGBT community. In 50 years this too will be looked back upon as a time of shame for how members of that community were treated.

No. You’re conflating skin color with biology. We had 30 girls try out for 10 spots. Not fair to give it to a biological boy. How do you not see that? Boys and girls are different in terms of actual science. They need to be kept separate when it comes to sports. Period.

What if you had 9 kids trying out for a 10 roster team and one was trans?

We had 30. If we only had nine, I would shut down the program. Also our wins would be tainted as other teams would see us as cheaters. Why? That is how I see other teams who use biological boys. This is an athletic event and it is unfair to allow biological boys to play vs. girls. We will not agree here. The fact that you do not see my POV and give me what ifs shows how divided we are.

I will end with this and we can move to another bullet of your choosing. Trans is a mental illness. Period. End of Story. Catering to kids rather than treating it just delays their pain.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Why, should I as a 39 (soon to be 40) year old business owner, family man (two kids in middle school), living in Boston should not be at best annoyed at worst extremely worried if the Democrats win the White House and the Senate?

The Democrat Party:

• Called the riots a Myth and said protests were mostly peaceful when cities were burning. They need to be 100% peaceful. They only proceeded with denouncement once the polls showed them slipping.
• COVID death rates are highest in Blue States, including mine, MA. I am a COVID survivor and convalescent plasma donor but I don't feel confident in terms of their pandemic response. My kids are 100% remote when the WHO stated that school kids are NOT super spreaders and lockdowns are terrible because they cause their own issues such as loss of business, depression, late diagnosis of medical ailments, etc.
• They state because I am white I have some sort of privilege and that I am inherently racist. I find that not only abhorrent but borderline unconstitutional as they take away my free speech. My skin color should not determine my beliefs. That is like stating I must be cheap because I am Jewish.
• Instead of denouncing Antifa they call it an "idea". They are hypocrites in that my kids are not allowed in school but are welcome to protest in large gatherings.
• They vilify our police force instead of teaching our youth to respect authority.
• They are pro everyone gets a trophy but that is not how real life works. If there is one opening for a job then one person gets it. Teaching winning and losing is very important and should start at a young age.
• They call America inherently racist but I am a son of immigrants from the old Soviet Union. When my kids get a little older I will make them watch Schindler's List. They can see what real oppression is. What real hatred is. What real genocide looks like. This is the greatest country in the world and that is what we should be teaching our youth. It is not without warts but what country is?
• As a Jewish family, Israel support is important to us and I am concerned that the Democrats would rather partner with Iran and the terror states of Palestine rather than side with Israel.
• I am OK with a change in our healthcare system but I am not sure how nationalizing it will encourage our youth to go into medicine when medical school is so pricey and the doctor compensation would be capped. I truly prefer free markets.
• I am further concerned that if my kids have conservative views as they get older they will be vilified because those views are suddenly deemed racist by the Left. Overall the word "racist" has lost its meaning. Or if my kids lean left they will follow and become intolerant of those with conservative views.
• From a financial perspective I am not sure the Democrats understand that raising the minimum wage results in loss of jobs due to robots becoming more economically feasible. Also higher regulations, eliminating fracking and raising taxes will further slow the economy.
• It is tough for me to understand why the Democrat party is focused on forced teaching of diversity and vilification of white persons. People cannot control their skin color so why focus on it?
• The bias in the media and censorship of conservative views is dangerous and would be equally dangerous if it were the other way around. Schools should teach kids how to think versus what to think and the media should report facts and allow the viewers to form their opinions versus skewing the facts. This has less to do with if Democrats win but it certainly would further empower an already biased media.
• Lastly, the transgender debate is frightening. I have two daughters. I have seen firsthand how boys now identify as girls and play sports vs. biological girls. The advantage the boys had is notable. I cannot get on the same page that gender is a social construct and that biological boys should be allowed in girls locker rooms and be allowed to compete in sports against them. The left turns a blind eye to it and calls concerned parents like myself transphobic. But why is it wrong for me not to want my girls to change in the locker room if a boy is present? Why is it wrong for me to want my girls to compete vs. other females? Female sports finally have some limelight and recognition and now this comes along?

This assumes that Trump loses and the Republicans lose the Senate so please don't make this thread about Trump but address the above topics. I would like to have an honest debate. Doesn't need to be civil but it needs to be honest.


Thank you

It’s tough to have a debate when you make so many different points. Would you like to pick one and we can dig in?

How about the last one please?

Man, the transgender children situation is a tough one. I fully understand the locker room concerns and the sports participation concerns. I also really feel for those children that suffer from an identity disorder as they must be tremendously struggling with it on a daily basis. Imagine if one of your daughters Was dealing with this?? Think how difficult that would be for her and you and you’re family.

With that said, I’d hope any school could make accommodations for these situations that make everybody feel as safe and included as possible. Doesn't that go to the core of a schools responsibility?

so perhaps a trans child could use a private office to get changed instead of a commonplace locker room. And perhaps when it comes to sports if the child is a trans female and a top performer then they compete with the boys. If they are not a top performer then they compete with the girls. Place them where appropriate depending on their skill level.

what do you think of those ideas?

NYC has signs, literally everywhere, telling perverts they can use any toilet with which they identify.
There is no room for reasonable discussion with Blue City mayors.

Well that’s interesting... would you want this biologically born female forced to use the same bathroom as your little girl or don’t you think the logical solution is that they should be using the men’s bathroom?

View attachment 400791

I said locker room not bathroom and you’re using odd one off examples.

Independent brought up bathrooms and I was responding to his comment

I do not want 12 year old girls with 12 year old boys in the same locker room. Sorry.

When did I say put them in the same locker room? I suggested a private room for them to change. You said you didn’t like my idea

So what if there is a shy boy? Should he have his own room too? I said It was a slippery slope. If gender is a social construct then why do they need a private changing room. Why should I change my view of a boy or a girl and go against science because someone is mentally ill? If a boy says they are Bat Man should we call him Bat Man?

I think you should change your view to be more compassionate to children who are struggling. I would do my best to accommodate a shy boy that felt they needed a private room. Sure, why not?

Because it doesn’t prepare them for real life. Parents yelled at me for cutting kids in AAU basketball. I told them it is a meritocracy. Feel free to go elsewhere. We have a limit of 10 and only play eight consistently.

At the age of 10-12 my niece told me she was a boy and to only call her a boy. That was 14 years ago. She is 26 now and fully a young lady. Kids will go through odd phases we should not feed into them. At 18 they may do as they wish as they are adults.

It’s up to the parents on how they handle their children. It’s the schools responsibility to provide a safe and inclusive environment. Sports is tricky as there is a balance between giving kids a chance to be a part of a team and also giving the better athletes a chance to really learn and excel and maximize their playing time and the focus of the coaches. We had this issue with our golf team as it grew from 15 players to 29 in the course of two years. I understand golf is a different kind of sport than most others but it was a struggle to decide whether to cut or not. I think it depends on the program that the school and coaches want to run.

Different topic but this is yet another reason why schools and tax payer monies that fund them shouldn't be used for sports. Lower taxes, use the money to allow your kid to do something they want to do instead of just what is offered at a school.

I think after school sports are an invaluable asset, but I also would agree that funding community programs and alternative options for kids to peruse are also very necessary, especially in low income areas

Well, let me be clear...

PE--Physical education is invaluable. CE King High School (in Houston) traveling 150 miles to play Huntsville in a meaningless football game (repeat this for Volleyball, Girls Basketball, Boys Basketball, Track, Baseball and probably Softball now) is not invaluable...or even remotely sane. Its a fun experience for everyone that Tax Payers have been duped into funding in the name of "education". Its a total waste of money. I'd also argue King playing Kingwood (10 miles away) is equally foolish. Its less insane but still quite wasteful.

Budgets should be fair and reasonable and boosters can be used to raise funds for travel tournaments and extras. A packed Texas football stadium is able to pay some
Bills though. My guess is those funds help
Support some of the other sports as well

The packed football stadiums go to pay off the bonds...the ones sold to build the football stadiums.

Sports is invaluable in building self esteem, giving kids a purpose and building friendships and teamwork. Also kills free time when kids may be mischievous.

Yeah...athletes never get into trouble with the law.

Rarely. You only see what the media shows you.

So you think the media reports every athlete getting busted, pulled over, arrested, etc...?

I think on a local level from what I have seen, they are less likely to get in trouble and actually benefit from better grades and better college acceptance rates.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Why, should I as a 39 (soon to be 40) year old business owner, family man (two kids in middle school), living in Boston should not be at best annoyed at worst extremely worried if the Democrats win the White House and the Senate?

The Democrat Party:

• Called the riots a Myth and said protests were mostly peaceful when cities were burning. They need to be 100% peaceful. They only proceeded with denouncement once the polls showed them slipping.
• COVID death rates are highest in Blue States, including mine, MA. I am a COVID survivor and convalescent plasma donor but I don't feel confident in terms of their pandemic response. My kids are 100% remote when the WHO stated that school kids are NOT super spreaders and lockdowns are terrible because they cause their own issues such as loss of business, depression, late diagnosis of medical ailments, etc.
• They state because I am white I have some sort of privilege and that I am inherently racist. I find that not only abhorrent but borderline unconstitutional as they take away my free speech. My skin color should not determine my beliefs. That is like stating I must be cheap because I am Jewish.
• Instead of denouncing Antifa they call it an "idea". They are hypocrites in that my kids are not allowed in school but are welcome to protest in large gatherings.
• They vilify our police force instead of teaching our youth to respect authority.
• They are pro everyone gets a trophy but that is not how real life works. If there is one opening for a job then one person gets it. Teaching winning and losing is very important and should start at a young age.
• They call America inherently racist but I am a son of immigrants from the old Soviet Union. When my kids get a little older I will make them watch Schindler's List. They can see what real oppression is. What real hatred is. What real genocide looks like. This is the greatest country in the world and that is what we should be teaching our youth. It is not without warts but what country is?
• As a Jewish family, Israel support is important to us and I am concerned that the Democrats would rather partner with Iran and the terror states of Palestine rather than side with Israel.
• I am OK with a change in our healthcare system but I am not sure how nationalizing it will encourage our youth to go into medicine when medical school is so pricey and the doctor compensation would be capped. I truly prefer free markets.
• I am further concerned that if my kids have conservative views as they get older they will be vilified because those views are suddenly deemed racist by the Left. Overall the word "racist" has lost its meaning. Or if my kids lean left they will follow and become intolerant of those with conservative views.
• From a financial perspective I am not sure the Democrats understand that raising the minimum wage results in loss of jobs due to robots becoming more economically feasible. Also higher regulations, eliminating fracking and raising taxes will further slow the economy.
• It is tough for me to understand why the Democrat party is focused on forced teaching of diversity and vilification of white persons. People cannot control their skin color so why focus on it?
• The bias in the media and censorship of conservative views is dangerous and would be equally dangerous if it were the other way around. Schools should teach kids how to think versus what to think and the media should report facts and allow the viewers to form their opinions versus skewing the facts. This has less to do with if Democrats win but it certainly would further empower an already biased media.
• Lastly, the transgender debate is frightening. I have two daughters. I have seen firsthand how boys now identify as girls and play sports vs. biological girls. The advantage the boys had is notable. I cannot get on the same page that gender is a social construct and that biological boys should be allowed in girls locker rooms and be allowed to compete in sports against them. The left turns a blind eye to it and calls concerned parents like myself transphobic. But why is it wrong for me not to want my girls to change in the locker room if a boy is present? Why is it wrong for me to want my girls to compete vs. other females? Female sports finally have some limelight and recognition and now this comes along?

This assumes that Trump loses and the Republicans lose the Senate so please don't make this thread about Trump but address the above topics. I would like to have an honest debate. Doesn't need to be civil but it needs to be honest.


Thank you

There is no one running for president in a party named Democrat, now there is in the Democratic Party.

You're right the Democratic Party no longer exisits... It's been fully infiltrated by Marxist Socialist Communists.

the (R)s have taken on whackadoodles from Q-anon that are being welcomed in & embraced by the status quo.

Why are you hijacking the thread? Not cool.

i'm doing no such thing. sorry if you thought i was... i was simply replying to a couple posters based on what they said.

So will you address the OP? If not then please bow out. Thank you.

perhaps next time you enter another poster's thread, you do the same, m'k?

What? Please do not derail this thread. I ask again.

 

[colfax_m]

What is with the right’s obsession with transgendered individuals? It’s creepy.

 

[Moonglow]

What is with the right’s obsession with transgendered individuals? It’s creepy.

They have a secret deep seated interest in making them their spouses.

 

[colfax_m]

I care more about others than myself. If my income goes down a few percent, it will make zero difference to me. I’d gladly pay that price times ten in order to have a sane, rational country again.

 

[Moonglow]

I care more about others than myself. If my income goes down a few percent, it will make zero difference to me. I’d gladly pay that price times ten in order to have a sane, rational country again.

But will the mega rich think the same?
I say they will not.

 

[colfax_m]

I care more about others than myself. If my income goes down a few percent, it will make zero difference to me. I’d gladly pay that price times ten in order to have a sane, rational country again.

But will the mega rich think the same?
I say they will not.

I think many will. There are those whose wealth is never enough and I doubt it. I’ve met some of these people (not MEGA wealthy, but people who have acquired enough to live in luxury their entire life). They’re a miserable lot. Never happy. Zero gratitude.

 

[Slade3200]

Why, should I as a 39 (soon to be 40) year old business owner, family man (two kids in middle school), living in Boston should not be at best annoyed at worst extremely worried if the Democrats win the White House and the Senate?

The Democrat Party:

• Called the riots a Myth and said protests were mostly peaceful when cities were burning. They need to be 100% peaceful. They only proceeded with denouncement once the polls showed them slipping.
• COVID death rates are highest in Blue States, including mine, MA. I am a COVID survivor and convalescent plasma donor but I don't feel confident in terms of their pandemic response. My kids are 100% remote when the WHO stated that school kids are NOT super spreaders and lockdowns are terrible because they cause their own issues such as loss of business, depression, late diagnosis of medical ailments, etc.
• They state because I am white I have some sort of privilege and that I am inherently racist. I find that not only abhorrent but borderline unconstitutional as they take away my free speech. My skin color should not determine my beliefs. That is like stating I must be cheap because I am Jewish.
• Instead of denouncing Antifa they call it an "idea". They are hypocrites in that my kids are not allowed in school but are welcome to protest in large gatherings.
• They vilify our police force instead of teaching our youth to respect authority.
• They are pro everyone gets a trophy but that is not how real life works. If there is one opening for a job then one person gets it. Teaching winning and losing is very important and should start at a young age.
• They call America inherently racist but I am a son of immigrants from the old Soviet Union. When my kids get a little older I will make them watch Schindler's List. They can see what real oppression is. What real hatred is. What real genocide looks like. This is the greatest country in the world and that is what we should be teaching our youth. It is not without warts but what country is?
• As a Jewish family, Israel support is important to us and I am concerned that the Democrats would rather partner with Iran and the terror states of Palestine rather than side with Israel.
• I am OK with a change in our healthcare system but I am not sure how nationalizing it will encourage our youth to go into medicine when medical school is so pricey and the doctor compensation would be capped. I truly prefer free markets.
• I am further concerned that if my kids have conservative views as they get older they will be vilified because those views are suddenly deemed racist by the Left. Overall the word "racist" has lost its meaning. Or if my kids lean left they will follow and become intolerant of those with conservative views.
• From a financial perspective I am not sure the Democrats understand that raising the minimum wage results in loss of jobs due to robots becoming more economically feasible. Also higher regulations, eliminating fracking and raising taxes will further slow the economy.
• It is tough for me to understand why the Democrat party is focused on forced teaching of diversity and vilification of white persons. People cannot control their skin color so why focus on it?
• The bias in the media and censorship of conservative views is dangerous and would be equally dangerous if it were the other way around. Schools should teach kids how to think versus what to think and the media should report facts and allow the viewers to form their opinions versus skewing the facts. This has less to do with if Democrats win but it certainly would further empower an already biased media.
• Lastly, the transgender debate is frightening. I have two daughters. I have seen firsthand how boys now identify as girls and play sports vs. biological girls. The advantage the boys had is notable. I cannot get on the same page that gender is a social construct and that biological boys should be allowed in girls locker rooms and be allowed to compete in sports against them. The left turns a blind eye to it and calls concerned parents like myself transphobic. But why is it wrong for me not to want my girls to change in the locker room if a boy is present? Why is it wrong for me to want my girls to compete vs. other females? Female sports finally have some limelight and recognition and now this comes along?

This assumes that Trump loses and the Republicans lose the Senate so please don't make this thread about Trump but address the above topics. I would like to have an honest debate. Doesn't need to be civil but it needs to be honest.


Thank you

There is no one running for president in a party named Democrat, now there is in the Democratic Party.

You're right the Democratic Party no longer exisits... It's been fully infiltrated by Marxist Socialist Communists.

the (R)s have taken on whackadoodles from Q-anon that are being welcomed in & embraced by the status quo.

The Rs don't kill the innocent. The Rs don't put Socialist after their name. The Rs don't promote looting, burning, and destroying peoples lives. The Rs don't vilionize our police officers. The Rs don't try to disarm the population. The Rs havent started a civil war by trying to over throw the government with lies, false evidence, and false witnesses. So go watch CNN to show how what you say is worthless.

Why, should I as a 39 (soon to be 40) year old business owner, family man (two kids in middle school), living in Boston should not be at best annoyed at worst extremely worried if the Democrats win the White House and the Senate?

The Democrat Party:

• Called the riots a Myth and said protests were mostly peaceful when cities were burning. They need to be 100% peaceful. They only proceeded with denouncement once the polls showed them slipping.
• COVID death rates are highest in Blue States, including mine, MA. I am a COVID survivor and convalescent plasma donor but I don't feel confident in terms of their pandemic response. My kids are 100% remote when the WHO stated that school kids are NOT super spreaders and lockdowns are terrible because they cause their own issues such as loss of business, depression, late diagnosis of medical ailments, etc.
• They state because I am white I have some sort of privilege and that I am inherently racist. I find that not only abhorrent but borderline unconstitutional as they take away my free speech. My skin color should not determine my beliefs. That is like stating I must be cheap because I am Jewish.
• Instead of denouncing Antifa they call it an "idea". They are hypocrites in that my kids are not allowed in school but are welcome to protest in large gatherings.
• They vilify our police force instead of teaching our youth to respect authority.
• They are pro everyone gets a trophy but that is not how real life works. If there is one opening for a job then one person gets it. Teaching winning and losing is very important and should start at a young age.
• They call America inherently racist but I am a son of immigrants from the old Soviet Union. When my kids get a little older I will make them watch Schindler's List. They can see what real oppression is. What real hatred is. What real genocide looks like. This is the greatest country in the world and that is what we should be teaching our youth. It is not without warts but what country is?
• As a Jewish family, Israel support is important to us and I am concerned that the Democrats would rather partner with Iran and the terror states of Palestine rather than side with Israel.
• I am OK with a change in our healthcare system but I am not sure how nationalizing it will encourage our youth to go into medicine when medical school is so pricey and the doctor compensation would be capped. I truly prefer free markets.
• I am further concerned that if my kids have conservative views as they get older they will be vilified because those views are suddenly deemed racist by the Left. Overall the word "racist" has lost its meaning. Or if my kids lean left they will follow and become intolerant of those with conservative views.
• From a financial perspective I am not sure the Democrats understand that raising the minimum wage results in loss of jobs due to robots becoming more economically feasible. Also higher regulations, eliminating fracking and raising taxes will further slow the economy.
• It is tough for me to understand why the Democrat party is focused on forced teaching of diversity and vilification of white persons. People cannot control their skin color so why focus on it?
• The bias in the media and censorship of conservative views is dangerous and would be equally dangerous if it were the other way around. Schools should teach kids how to think versus what to think and the media should report facts and allow the viewers to form their opinions versus skewing the facts. This has less to do with if Democrats win but it certainly would further empower an already biased media.
• Lastly, the transgender debate is frightening. I have two daughters. I have seen firsthand how boys now identify as girls and play sports vs. biological girls. The advantage the boys had is notable. I cannot get on the same page that gender is a social construct and that biological boys should be allowed in girls locker rooms and be allowed to compete in sports against them. The left turns a blind eye to it and calls concerned parents like myself transphobic. But why is it wrong for me not to want my girls to change in the locker room if a boy is present? Why is it wrong for me to want my girls to compete vs. other females? Female sports finally have some limelight and recognition and now this comes along?

This assumes that Trump loses and the Republicans lose the Senate so please don't make this thread about Trump but address the above topics. I would like to have an honest debate. Doesn't need to be civil but it needs to be honest.


Thank you

It’s tough to have a debate when you make so many different points. Would you like to pick one and we can dig in?

AzogtheDefiler tell Slade3200 to go fuck himself...he will tell you to get woke and bend over...with clever sophisticated word play ofcourse.

Beat it dude. This discussion is above your pay grade

Haha..seen this movie a thousand times before...You will stay engaged with anyone who follows the nutless PC protocol set forth by Leftist filth and then puss out the second a wise man with nuts gets too honest.... AzogtheDefiler tell him to fuck off now and save yourself time and energy. TRUST ME.

The problem here is that if Biden wins and the Democrats win the Senate then there will be no discussion. They will tell me to just suck it up and live with it. Not right.

I thought we were having a perfectly legit conversation. No?

What is congenital adrenal hyperplasia (CAH), and is it a DSD? | Accord Alliance

The adrenal glands are hormone-producing glands that both males and females have. They are located in the back of our bodies, above our kidneys. The adrenals are important in part because they help our bodies respond to stress. Congenital adrenal hyperplasia (CAH) is an inborn condition in which...

www.accordalliance.org

MEDICAL condition.

Greg

Anything and everything can be called a medical condition

 

[Moonglow]

I care more about others than myself. If my income goes down a few percent, it will make zero difference to me. I’d gladly pay that price times ten in order to have a sane, rational country again.

But will the mega rich think the same?
I say they will not.

I think many will. There are those whose wealth is never enough and I doubt it. I’ve met some of these people (not MEGA wealthy, but people who have acquired enough to live in luxury their entire life). They’re a miserable lot. Never happy. Zero gratitude.

My old man become a stock broker at 50 and started making a couple of hundred grand a year in the 1990's and became this massive asshole who thought everyone only liked him because of his money, and was no longer fun to get drunk with....

 

[Slade3200]

Why, should I as a 39 (soon to be 40) year old business owner, family man (two kids in middle school), living in Boston should not be at best annoyed at worst extremely worried if the Democrats win the White House and the Senate?

The Democrat Party:

• Called the riots a Myth and said protests were mostly peaceful when cities were burning. They need to be 100% peaceful. They only proceeded with denouncement once the polls showed them slipping.
• COVID death rates are highest in Blue States, including mine, MA. I am a COVID survivor and convalescent plasma donor but I don't feel confident in terms of their pandemic response. My kids are 100% remote when the WHO stated that school kids are NOT super spreaders and lockdowns are terrible because they cause their own issues such as loss of business, depression, late diagnosis of medical ailments, etc.
• They state because I am white I have some sort of privilege and that I am inherently racist. I find that not only abhorrent but borderline unconstitutional as they take away my free speech. My skin color should not determine my beliefs. That is like stating I must be cheap because I am Jewish.
• Instead of denouncing Antifa they call it an "idea". They are hypocrites in that my kids are not allowed in school but are welcome to protest in large gatherings.
• They vilify our police force instead of teaching our youth to respect authority.
• They are pro everyone gets a trophy but that is not how real life works. If there is one opening for a job then one person gets it. Teaching winning and losing is very important and should start at a young age.
• They call America inherently racist but I am a son of immigrants from the old Soviet Union. When my kids get a little older I will make them watch Schindler's List. They can see what real oppression is. What real hatred is. What real genocide looks like. This is the greatest country in the world and that is what we should be teaching our youth. It is not without warts but what country is?
• As a Jewish family, Israel support is important to us and I am concerned that the Democrats would rather partner with Iran and the terror states of Palestine rather than side with Israel.
• I am OK with a change in our healthcare system but I am not sure how nationalizing it will encourage our youth to go into medicine when medical school is so pricey and the doctor compensation would be capped. I truly prefer free markets.
• I am further concerned that if my kids have conservative views as they get older they will be vilified because those views are suddenly deemed racist by the Left. Overall the word "racist" has lost its meaning. Or if my kids lean left they will follow and become intolerant of those with conservative views.
• From a financial perspective I am not sure the Democrats understand that raising the minimum wage results in loss of jobs due to robots becoming more economically feasible. Also higher regulations, eliminating fracking and raising taxes will further slow the economy.
• It is tough for me to understand why the Democrat party is focused on forced teaching of diversity and vilification of white persons. People cannot control their skin color so why focus on it?
• The bias in the media and censorship of conservative views is dangerous and would be equally dangerous if it were the other way around. Schools should teach kids how to think versus what to think and the media should report facts and allow the viewers to form their opinions versus skewing the facts. This has less to do with if Democrats win but it certainly would further empower an already biased media.
• Lastly, the transgender debate is frightening. I have two daughters. I have seen firsthand how boys now identify as girls and play sports vs. biological girls. The advantage the boys had is notable. I cannot get on the same page that gender is a social construct and that biological boys should be allowed in girls locker rooms and be allowed to compete in sports against them. The left turns a blind eye to it and calls concerned parents like myself transphobic. But why is it wrong for me not to want my girls to change in the locker room if a boy is present? Why is it wrong for me to want my girls to compete vs. other females? Female sports finally have some limelight and recognition and now this comes along?

This assumes that Trump loses and the Republicans lose the Senate so please don't make this thread about Trump but address the above topics. I would like to have an honest debate. Doesn't need to be civil but it needs to be honest.


Thank you

It’s tough to have a debate when you make so many different points. Would you like to pick one and we can dig in?

How about the last one please?

Man, the transgender children situation is a tough one. I fully understand the locker room concerns and the sports participation concerns. I also really feel for those children that suffer from an identity disorder as they must be tremendously struggling with it on a daily basis. Imagine if one of your daughters Was dealing with this?? Think how difficult that would be for her and you and you’re family.

With that said, I’d hope any school could make accommodations for these situations that make everybody feel as safe and included as possible. Doesn't that go to the core of a schools responsibility?

so perhaps a trans child could use a private office to get changed instead of a commonplace locker room. And perhaps when it comes to sports if the child is a trans female and a top performer then they compete with the boys. If they are not a top performer then they compete with the girls. Place them where appropriate depending on their skill level.

what do you think of those ideas?

I dislike them. I believe it creates a slippery slope. What if the boy child takes away a spot on a team from a biological girl? How is that fair? Trans is a mental illness and should be treated as such but other kids should not have to suffer.

And right now the fight is to have them be equals because gender is a social construct. If one of my girls identified as a boy it would not impact boy sports as boys are generally a lot more athletic. The other way however it’s not the case. Why not leave athletics as strictly biological? That is science. And Democrats keep yelling at us to trust science.

The fight is for awareness and education and acceptance. You seem to want to call them sick and dismiss them. The same was said about gays only a few years ago and blacks/women/non Christians in times before that.

Sports being strictly biological may be the solution for some very competitive programs. But some schools don’t take the competitiveness of their sports programs as seriously as others. Some see sports as a healthy after school activity and an area for kids to learn about teamwork, discipline and sportsmanship. Allowing kids to participate feel included and learn the very valuable skills that sports can teach can be so impactful.

I understand you solution to keep it strictly biological. Do you see any potential problems or issues that it might cause for some trans children?

No. They need medical help. If a girl is gay she is still a girl and may compete vs other girls. Boys are naturally bigger and stronger and more athletic. In terms of sports it should be strictly biological. Otherwise it’s not fair to girls. And scholarships could be up for grabs as well as captaincy. We need fair play in sports and allowing boys to compete versus girls because they identify as girls is physically dangerous to biological girls.

What kind of help?

Help in that they are born a boy. See why they identify as a girl as at the age of 12 they are still kids. At 18 they may decide how they wish. See what had caused them to feel this way. It’s not “normal”...suicide rates are extraordinarily high. Imagine if a boy said I identify as a couch. Would we just go along with it or get him some help to see why he feels that way. Me calling him a couch wouldn’t make him a couch.

Yes, families and psychiatrists have been struggling woth this for years and there is some good information on how different family’s, children and doctors have been trying to address it. Why do you think their suicide rate is so high. Think how isolated and judged and vilified, and bullied they must feel. It’s pretty heartbreaking to think of children going through that

Its high because they have a mental illness. If society accepts them they still look off. I am sorry but they do. It may be the new normal but it should not be in youth sports.

I never said anything about a new norm but certainly you understand how calling them sick or wrong or perverts or deranged or the plethora of other names the haters like to use... you see how that only makes the issues worse right? Tell me what harm comes from making them feel understood, loved, accepted, included?? Your a father and a coach, you know how children are... out yourself in the shoes of a parent of a kid who is truly struggling with this and tell me what kind of environment would be best for these kids?

Because it makes the other 99.9% highly uncomfortable. This isn’t about sexual persuasion but about actually identifying as something you’re not and going against science. If a child identifies as God do we go along with it or get them some help? I think by accepting their delusion you’re only setting them up for future distress as adults.

Because many have fed into this delusion we now have these kids changing in opposite gender locker rooms and playing sports with weaker persons biologically. Just not right. I would be willing to compromise if sports were not part of the package. To me it’s crazy to allow biological boys who identify as girls play sports vs biological girls.

To be fair. There is not a natural “right and wrong” it is our society that paints men as those with short hair and Pants and girls with Long hair make up and dresses. Neither of us know the psychology enough to tell what’s going on or how exactly trans people feel. I try and stay away from the “my way or the highway” perspective

That’s fine but in sports we need to separate by science not construct. As good as Serena Williams is she would lose to 100s of men. It would not be fair if Rafa Nadal identified as a woman and started winning grand slams.

They actually have stricter standards than simply identifying as the opposite sex for participating in competitions if one is trans. I believe the olympics and other major sports organizations have addressed these standards. Might be interesting to see what they’ve come up with. For the most part A with pro athletes I agree with you. For children I think we are further apart

It’s even worse for children. You’re infecting an entire team and killing their potential bond.

I don’t see it as an infection. Language like that perpetuates the problem IMO. I understand you’re uncomfortable with it as it’s something that you don’t understand. That doesn’t mean it is wrong or evil.

But you are. If nine players feel uncomfortable the team won’t gel. Part of me picking the team consists of chemistry. You throw a trans girl into the mix and it goes to hell. Just reality.

If that’s the case then why allow them in the classroom? I mean the kids would still be uncomfortable and doesn’t that hurt their learning experience?

Classroom is a single person experience. Your math test is yours. Sports is a team event. You’re only as strong as your weakest player. Apples and oranges. No one is taking my daughters math test for her. But if she is struggling with her J her teammates can pick her up.

If you’re so big on life lessons then don’t you think it valuable for kids to learn how to work with people that they don’t necessarily gel or feel comfortable with? We don’t always get to pick the teams we work with in our jobs or the partners we may need to negotiate and make deals with. It’s also ignorant to assume that straight grips would all feel uncomfortable with a trans girl. What if they love the trans girl but feel uncomfortable with the black girl? Should black girls not be allowed on the team? You see the slippery slope Right?

Our team has two black girls and an Asian girl. And no they would feel weird as would I. It would crack the fabric of a great team. We played against two teams with trans players. My girls were giggling and yet felt weird.

And 50 years ago the same was said about having that black and Asian girls on the team.

change doesn’t come easy but in retrospect you can see how wrong it was to have segregated schools. We are currently experiencing the same transition with the LGBT community. In 50 years this too will be looked back upon as a time of shame for how members of that community were treated.

No. You’re conflating skin color with biology. We had 30 girls try out for 10 spots. Not fair to give it to a biological boy. How do you not see that? Boys and girls are different in terms of actual science. They need to be kept separate when it comes to sports. Period.

What if you had 9 kids trying out for a 10 roster team and one was trans?

We had 30. If we only had nine, I would shut down the program. Also our wins would be tainted as other teams would see us as cheaters. Why? That is how I see other teams who use biological boys. This is an athletic event and it is unfair to allow biological boys to play vs. girls. We will not agree here. The fact that you do not see my POV and give me what ifs shows how divided we are.

I will end with this and we can move to another bullet of your choosing. Trans is a mental illness. Period. End of Story. Catering to kids rather than treating it just delays their pain.

Happy to move onto another topic. I’ll end by saying I respect your concerns but have a different POV. I view trans girls, which I wouldn’t call biological boys, and people who are struggling with a different perspective on life and who they are. I don’t think it right for me or you to call them sick or ill or wrong for feeling the way they feel. I would make the same argument about gay people. I think we are all better off when we can listen and support over judging and labeling.

ok, good game, I enjoyed the match... what’s up next?

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Why, should I as a 39 (soon to be 40) year old business owner, family man (two kids in middle school), living in Boston should not be at best annoyed at worst extremely worried if the Democrats win the White House and the Senate?

The Democrat Party:

• Called the riots a Myth and said protests were mostly peaceful when cities were burning. They need to be 100% peaceful. They only proceeded with denouncement once the polls showed them slipping.
• COVID death rates are highest in Blue States, including mine, MA. I am a COVID survivor and convalescent plasma donor but I don't feel confident in terms of their pandemic response. My kids are 100% remote when the WHO stated that school kids are NOT super spreaders and lockdowns are terrible because they cause their own issues such as loss of business, depression, late diagnosis of medical ailments, etc.
• They state because I am white I have some sort of privilege and that I am inherently racist. I find that not only abhorrent but borderline unconstitutional as they take away my free speech. My skin color should not determine my beliefs. That is like stating I must be cheap because I am Jewish.
• Instead of denouncing Antifa they call it an "idea". They are hypocrites in that my kids are not allowed in school but are welcome to protest in large gatherings.
• They vilify our police force instead of teaching our youth to respect authority.
• They are pro everyone gets a trophy but that is not how real life works. If there is one opening for a job then one person gets it. Teaching winning and losing is very important and should start at a young age.
• They call America inherently racist but I am a son of immigrants from the old Soviet Union. When my kids get a little older I will make them watch Schindler's List. They can see what real oppression is. What real hatred is. What real genocide looks like. This is the greatest country in the world and that is what we should be teaching our youth. It is not without warts but what country is?
• As a Jewish family, Israel support is important to us and I am concerned that the Democrats would rather partner with Iran and the terror states of Palestine rather than side with Israel.
• I am OK with a change in our healthcare system but I am not sure how nationalizing it will encourage our youth to go into medicine when medical school is so pricey and the doctor compensation would be capped. I truly prefer free markets.
• I am further concerned that if my kids have conservative views as they get older they will be vilified because those views are suddenly deemed racist by the Left. Overall the word "racist" has lost its meaning. Or if my kids lean left they will follow and become intolerant of those with conservative views.
• From a financial perspective I am not sure the Democrats understand that raising the minimum wage results in loss of jobs due to robots becoming more economically feasible. Also higher regulations, eliminating fracking and raising taxes will further slow the economy.
• It is tough for me to understand why the Democrat party is focused on forced teaching of diversity and vilification of white persons. People cannot control their skin color so why focus on it?
• The bias in the media and censorship of conservative views is dangerous and would be equally dangerous if it were the other way around. Schools should teach kids how to think versus what to think and the media should report facts and allow the viewers to form their opinions versus skewing the facts. This has less to do with if Democrats win but it certainly would further empower an already biased media.
• Lastly, the transgender debate is frightening. I have two daughters. I have seen firsthand how boys now identify as girls and play sports vs. biological girls. The advantage the boys had is notable. I cannot get on the same page that gender is a social construct and that biological boys should be allowed in girls locker rooms and be allowed to compete in sports against them. The left turns a blind eye to it and calls concerned parents like myself transphobic. But why is it wrong for me not to want my girls to change in the locker room if a boy is present? Why is it wrong for me to want my girls to compete vs. other females? Female sports finally have some limelight and recognition and now this comes along?

This assumes that Trump loses and the Republicans lose the Senate so please don't make this thread about Trump but address the above topics. I would like to have an honest debate. Doesn't need to be civil but it needs to be honest.


Thank you

It’s tough to have a debate when you make so many different points. Would you like to pick one and we can dig in?

How about the last one please?

Man, the transgender children situation is a tough one. I fully understand the locker room concerns and the sports participation concerns. I also really feel for those children that suffer from an identity disorder as they must be tremendously struggling with it on a daily basis. Imagine if one of your daughters Was dealing with this?? Think how difficult that would be for her and you and you’re family.

With that said, I’d hope any school could make accommodations for these situations that make everybody feel as safe and included as possible. Doesn't that go to the core of a schools responsibility?

so perhaps a trans child could use a private office to get changed instead of a commonplace locker room. And perhaps when it comes to sports if the child is a trans female and a top performer then they compete with the boys. If they are not a top performer then they compete with the girls. Place them where appropriate depending on their skill level.

what do you think of those ideas?

I dislike them. I believe it creates a slippery slope. What if the boy child takes away a spot on a team from a biological girl? How is that fair? Trans is a mental illness and should be treated as such but other kids should not have to suffer.

And right now the fight is to have them be equals because gender is a social construct. If one of my girls identified as a boy it would not impact boy sports as boys are generally a lot more athletic. The other way however it’s not the case. Why not leave athletics as strictly biological? That is science. And Democrats keep yelling at us to trust science.

The fight is for awareness and education and acceptance. You seem to want to call them sick and dismiss them. The same was said about gays only a few years ago and blacks/women/non Christians in times before that.

Sports being strictly biological may be the solution for some very competitive programs. But some schools don’t take the competitiveness of their sports programs as seriously as others. Some see sports as a healthy after school activity and an area for kids to learn about teamwork, discipline and sportsmanship. Allowing kids to participate feel included and learn the very valuable skills that sports can teach can be so impactful.

I understand you solution to keep it strictly biological. Do you see any potential problems or issues that it might cause for some trans children?

No. They need medical help. If a girl is gay she is still a girl and may compete vs other girls. Boys are naturally bigger and stronger and more athletic. In terms of sports it should be strictly biological. Otherwise it’s not fair to girls. And scholarships could be up for grabs as well as captaincy. We need fair play in sports and allowing boys to compete versus girls because they identify as girls is physically dangerous to biological girls.

What kind of help?

Help in that they are born a boy. See why they identify as a girl as at the age of 12 they are still kids. At 18 they may decide how they wish. See what had caused them to feel this way. It’s not “normal”...suicide rates are extraordinarily high. Imagine if a boy said I identify as a couch. Would we just go along with it or get him some help to see why he feels that way. Me calling him a couch wouldn’t make him a couch.

Yes, families and psychiatrists have been struggling woth this for years and there is some good information on how different family’s, children and doctors have been trying to address it. Why do you think their suicide rate is so high. Think how isolated and judged and vilified, and bullied they must feel. It’s pretty heartbreaking to think of children going through that

Its high because they have a mental illness. If society accepts them they still look off. I am sorry but they do. It may be the new normal but it should not be in youth sports.

I never said anything about a new norm but certainly you understand how calling them sick or wrong or perverts or deranged or the plethora of other names the haters like to use... you see how that only makes the issues worse right? Tell me what harm comes from making them feel understood, loved, accepted, included?? Your a father and a coach, you know how children are... out yourself in the shoes of a parent of a kid who is truly struggling with this and tell me what kind of environment would be best for these kids?

Because it makes the other 99.9% highly uncomfortable. This isn’t about sexual persuasion but about actually identifying as something you’re not and going against science. If a child identifies as God do we go along with it or get them some help? I think by accepting their delusion you’re only setting them up for future distress as adults.

Because many have fed into this delusion we now have these kids changing in opposite gender locker rooms and playing sports with weaker persons biologically. Just not right. I would be willing to compromise if sports were not part of the package. To me it’s crazy to allow biological boys who identify as girls play sports vs biological girls.

To be fair. There is not a natural “right and wrong” it is our society that paints men as those with short hair and Pants and girls with Long hair make up and dresses. Neither of us know the psychology enough to tell what’s going on or how exactly trans people feel. I try and stay away from the “my way or the highway” perspective

That’s fine but in sports we need to separate by science not construct. As good as Serena Williams is she would lose to 100s of men. It would not be fair if Rafa Nadal identified as a woman and started winning grand slams.

They actually have stricter standards than simply identifying as the opposite sex for participating in competitions if one is trans. I believe the olympics and other major sports organizations have addressed these standards. Might be interesting to see what they’ve come up with. For the most part A with pro athletes I agree with you. For children I think we are further apart

It’s even worse for children. You’re infecting an entire team and killing their potential bond.

I don’t see it as an infection. Language like that perpetuates the problem IMO. I understand you’re uncomfortable with it as it’s something that you don’t understand. That doesn’t mean it is wrong or evil.

But you are. If nine players feel uncomfortable the team won’t gel. Part of me picking the team consists of chemistry. You throw a trans girl into the mix and it goes to hell. Just reality.

If that’s the case then why allow them in the classroom? I mean the kids would still be uncomfortable and doesn’t that hurt their learning experience?

Classroom is a single person experience. Your math test is yours. Sports is a team event. You’re only as strong as your weakest player. Apples and oranges. No one is taking my daughters math test for her. But if she is struggling with her J her teammates can pick her up.

If you’re so big on life lessons then don’t you think it valuable for kids to learn how to work with people that they don’t necessarily gel or feel comfortable with? We don’t always get to pick the teams we work with in our jobs or the partners we may need to negotiate and make deals with. It’s also ignorant to assume that straight grips would all feel uncomfortable with a trans girl. What if they love the trans girl but feel uncomfortable with the black girl? Should black girls not be allowed on the team? You see the slippery slope Right?

Our team has two black girls and an Asian girl. And no they would feel weird as would I. It would crack the fabric of a great team. We played against two teams with trans players. My girls were giggling and yet felt weird.

And 50 years ago the same was said about having that black and Asian girls on the team.

change doesn’t come easy but in retrospect you can see how wrong it was to have segregated schools. We are currently experiencing the same transition with the LGBT community. In 50 years this too will be looked back upon as a time of shame for how members of that community were treated.

No. You’re conflating skin color with biology. We had 30 girls try out for 10 spots. Not fair to give it to a biological boy. How do you not see that? Boys and girls are different in terms of actual science. They need to be kept separate when it comes to sports. Period.

What if you had 9 kids trying out for a 10 roster team and one was trans?

We had 30. If we only had nine, I would shut down the program. Also our wins would be tainted as other teams would see us as cheaters. Why? That is how I see other teams who use biological boys. This is an athletic event and it is unfair to allow biological boys to play vs. girls. We will not agree here. The fact that you do not see my POV and give me what ifs shows how divided we are.

I will end with this and we can move to another bullet of your choosing. Trans is a mental illness. Period. End of Story. Catering to kids rather than treating it just delays their pain.

Happy to move onto another topic. I’ll end by saying I respect your concerns but have a different POV. I view trans girls, which I wouldn’t call biological boys, and people who are struggling with a different perspective on life and who they are. I don’t think it right for me or you to call them sick or ill or wrong for feeling the way they feel. I would make the same argument about gay people. I think we are all better off when we can listen and support over judging and labeling.

ok, good game, I enjoyed the match... what’s up next?

No. You cannot conflate them with gay people. A gay girl is just as athletically challenged and or gifted as a straight girl. Not true for a trans girl!!!! Agree or disagree. Then we can end this.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Why, should I as a 39 (soon to be 40) year old business owner, family man (two kids in middle school), living in Boston should not be at best annoyed at worst extremely worried if the Democrats win the White House and the Senate?

The Democrat Party:

• Called the riots a Myth and said protests were mostly peaceful when cities were burning. They need to be 100% peaceful. They only proceeded with denouncement once the polls showed them slipping.
• COVID death rates are highest in Blue States, including mine, MA. I am a COVID survivor and convalescent plasma donor but I don't feel confident in terms of their pandemic response. My kids are 100% remote when the WHO stated that school kids are NOT super spreaders and lockdowns are terrible because they cause their own issues such as loss of business, depression, late diagnosis of medical ailments, etc.
• They state because I am white I have some sort of privilege and that I am inherently racist. I find that not only abhorrent but borderline unconstitutional as they take away my free speech. My skin color should not determine my beliefs. That is like stating I must be cheap because I am Jewish.
• Instead of denouncing Antifa they call it an "idea". They are hypocrites in that my kids are not allowed in school but are welcome to protest in large gatherings.
• They vilify our police force instead of teaching our youth to respect authority.
• They are pro everyone gets a trophy but that is not how real life works. If there is one opening for a job then one person gets it. Teaching winning and losing is very important and should start at a young age.
• They call America inherently racist but I am a son of immigrants from the old Soviet Union. When my kids get a little older I will make them watch Schindler's List. They can see what real oppression is. What real hatred is. What real genocide looks like. This is the greatest country in the world and that is what we should be teaching our youth. It is not without warts but what country is?
• As a Jewish family, Israel support is important to us and I am concerned that the Democrats would rather partner with Iran and the terror states of Palestine rather than side with Israel.
• I am OK with a change in our healthcare system but I am not sure how nationalizing it will encourage our youth to go into medicine when medical school is so pricey and the doctor compensation would be capped. I truly prefer free markets.
• I am further concerned that if my kids have conservative views as they get older they will be vilified because those views are suddenly deemed racist by the Left. Overall the word "racist" has lost its meaning. Or if my kids lean left they will follow and become intolerant of those with conservative views.
• From a financial perspective I am not sure the Democrats understand that raising the minimum wage results in loss of jobs due to robots becoming more economically feasible. Also higher regulations, eliminating fracking and raising taxes will further slow the economy.
• It is tough for me to understand why the Democrat party is focused on forced teaching of diversity and vilification of white persons. People cannot control their skin color so why focus on it?
• The bias in the media and censorship of conservative views is dangerous and would be equally dangerous if it were the other way around. Schools should teach kids how to think versus what to think and the media should report facts and allow the viewers to form their opinions versus skewing the facts. This has less to do with if Democrats win but it certainly would further empower an already biased media.
• Lastly, the transgender debate is frightening. I have two daughters. I have seen firsthand how boys now identify as girls and play sports vs. biological girls. The advantage the boys had is notable. I cannot get on the same page that gender is a social construct and that biological boys should be allowed in girls locker rooms and be allowed to compete in sports against them. The left turns a blind eye to it and calls concerned parents like myself transphobic. But why is it wrong for me not to want my girls to change in the locker room if a boy is present? Why is it wrong for me to want my girls to compete vs. other females? Female sports finally have some limelight and recognition and now this comes along?

This assumes that Trump loses and the Republicans lose the Senate so please don't make this thread about Trump but address the above topics. I would like to have an honest debate. Doesn't need to be civil but it needs to be honest.


Thank you

It’s tough to have a debate when you make so many different points. Would you like to pick one and we can dig in?

How about the last one please?

Man, the transgender children situation is a tough one. I fully understand the locker room concerns and the sports participation concerns. I also really feel for those children that suffer from an identity disorder as they must be tremendously struggling with it on a daily basis. Imagine if one of your daughters Was dealing with this?? Think how difficult that would be for her and you and you’re family.

With that said, I’d hope any school could make accommodations for these situations that make everybody feel as safe and included as possible. Doesn't that go to the core of a schools responsibility?

so perhaps a trans child could use a private office to get changed instead of a commonplace locker room. And perhaps when it comes to sports if the child is a trans female and a top performer then they compete with the boys. If they are not a top performer then they compete with the girls. Place them where appropriate depending on their skill level.

what do you think of those ideas?

I dislike them. I believe it creates a slippery slope. What if the boy child takes away a spot on a team from a biological girl? How is that fair? Trans is a mental illness and should be treated as such but other kids should not have to suffer.

And right now the fight is to have them be equals because gender is a social construct. If one of my girls identified as a boy it would not impact boy sports as boys are generally a lot more athletic. The other way however it’s not the case. Why not leave athletics as strictly biological? That is science. And Democrats keep yelling at us to trust science.

The fight is for awareness and education and acceptance. You seem to want to call them sick and dismiss them. The same was said about gays only a few years ago and blacks/women/non Christians in times before that.

Sports being strictly biological may be the solution for some very competitive programs. But some schools don’t take the competitiveness of their sports programs as seriously as others. Some see sports as a healthy after school activity and an area for kids to learn about teamwork, discipline and sportsmanship. Allowing kids to participate feel included and learn the very valuable skills that sports can teach can be so impactful.

I understand you solution to keep it strictly biological. Do you see any potential problems or issues that it might cause for some trans children?

No. They need medical help. If a girl is gay she is still a girl and may compete vs other girls. Boys are naturally bigger and stronger and more athletic. In terms of sports it should be strictly biological. Otherwise it’s not fair to girls. And scholarships could be up for grabs as well as captaincy. We need fair play in sports and allowing boys to compete versus girls because they identify as girls is physically dangerous to biological girls.

What kind of help?

Help in that they are born a boy. See why they identify as a girl as at the age of 12 they are still kids. At 18 they may decide how they wish. See what had caused them to feel this way. It’s not “normal”...suicide rates are extraordinarily high. Imagine if a boy said I identify as a couch. Would we just go along with it or get him some help to see why he feels that way. Me calling him a couch wouldn’t make him a couch.

Yes, families and psychiatrists have been struggling woth this for years and there is some good information on how different family’s, children and doctors have been trying to address it. Why do you think their suicide rate is so high. Think how isolated and judged and vilified, and bullied they must feel. It’s pretty heartbreaking to think of children going through that

Its high because they have a mental illness. If society accepts them they still look off. I am sorry but they do. It may be the new normal but it should not be in youth sports.

I never said anything about a new norm but certainly you understand how calling them sick or wrong or perverts or deranged or the plethora of other names the haters like to use... you see how that only makes the issues worse right? Tell me what harm comes from making them feel understood, loved, accepted, included?? Your a father and a coach, you know how children are... out yourself in the shoes of a parent of a kid who is truly struggling with this and tell me what kind of environment would be best for these kids?

Because it makes the other 99.9% highly uncomfortable. This isn’t about sexual persuasion but about actually identifying as something you’re not and going against science. If a child identifies as God do we go along with it or get them some help? I think by accepting their delusion you’re only setting them up for future distress as adults.

Because many have fed into this delusion we now have these kids changing in opposite gender locker rooms and playing sports with weaker persons biologically. Just not right. I would be willing to compromise if sports were not part of the package. To me it’s crazy to allow biological boys who identify as girls play sports vs biological girls.

To be fair. There is not a natural “right and wrong” it is our society that paints men as those with short hair and Pants and girls with Long hair make up and dresses. Neither of us know the psychology enough to tell what’s going on or how exactly trans people feel. I try and stay away from the “my way or the highway” perspective

That’s fine but in sports we need to separate by science not construct. As good as Serena Williams is she would lose to 100s of men. It would not be fair if Rafa Nadal identified as a woman and started winning grand slams.

They actually have stricter standards than simply identifying as the opposite sex for participating in competitions if one is trans. I believe the olympics and other major sports organizations have addressed these standards. Might be interesting to see what they’ve come up with. For the most part A with pro athletes I agree with you. For children I think we are further apart

It’s even worse for children. You’re infecting an entire team and killing their potential bond.

I don’t see it as an infection. Language like that perpetuates the problem IMO. I understand you’re uncomfortable with it as it’s something that you don’t understand. That doesn’t mean it is wrong or evil.

But you are. If nine players feel uncomfortable the team won’t gel. Part of me picking the team consists of chemistry. You throw a trans girl into the mix and it goes to hell. Just reality.

If that’s the case then why allow them in the classroom? I mean the kids would still be uncomfortable and doesn’t that hurt their learning experience?

Classroom is a single person experience. Your math test is yours. Sports is a team event. You’re only as strong as your weakest player. Apples and oranges. No one is taking my daughters math test for her. But if she is struggling with her J her teammates can pick her up.

If you’re so big on life lessons then don’t you think it valuable for kids to learn how to work with people that they don’t necessarily gel or feel comfortable with? We don’t always get to pick the teams we work with in our jobs or the partners we may need to negotiate and make deals with. It’s also ignorant to assume that straight grips would all feel uncomfortable with a trans girl. What if they love the trans girl but feel uncomfortable with the black girl? Should black girls not be allowed on the team? You see the slippery slope Right?

Our team has two black girls and an Asian girl. And no they would feel weird as would I. It would crack the fabric of a great team. We played against two teams with trans players. My girls were giggling and yet felt weird.

And 50 years ago the same was said about having that black and Asian girls on the team.

change doesn’t come easy but in retrospect you can see how wrong it was to have segregated schools. We are currently experiencing the same transition with the LGBT community. In 50 years this too will be looked back upon as a time of shame for how members of that community were treated.

No. You’re conflating skin color with biology. We had 30 girls try out for 10 spots. Not fair to give it to a biological boy. How do you not see that? Boys and girls are different in terms of actual science. They need to be kept separate when it comes to sports. Period.

What if you had 9 kids trying out for a 10 roster team and one was trans?

We had 30. If we only had nine, I would shut down the program. Also our wins would be tainted as other teams would see us as cheaters. Why? That is how I see other teams who use biological boys. This is an athletic event and it is unfair to allow biological boys to play vs. girls. We will not agree here. The fact that you do not see my POV and give me what ifs shows how divided we are.

I will end with this and we can move to another bullet of your choosing. Trans is a mental illness. Period. End of Story. Catering to kids rather than treating it just delays their pain.

Happy to move onto another topic. I’ll end by saying I respect your concerns but have a different POV. I view trans girls, which I wouldn’t call biological boys, and people who are struggling with a different perspective on life and who they are. I don’t think it right for me or you to call them sick or ill or wrong for feeling the way they feel. I would make the same argument about gay people. I think we are all better off when we can listen and support over judging and labeling.

ok, good game, I enjoyed the match... what’s up next?

Next is the bullshit of white privilege. I find it amusing and complete bullshit. Sorry to be blunt.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

What is with the right’s obsession with transgendered individuals? It’s creepy.

Only when it comes to youth sports in my example. Don't derail my thread and yes those people are creepy.

 

[Slade3200]

Why, should I as a 39 (soon to be 40) year old business owner, family man (two kids in middle school), living in Boston should not be at best annoyed at worst extremely worried if the Democrats win the White House and the Senate?

The Democrat Party:

• Called the riots a Myth and said protests were mostly peaceful when cities were burning. They need to be 100% peaceful. They only proceeded with denouncement once the polls showed them slipping.
• COVID death rates are highest in Blue States, including mine, MA. I am a COVID survivor and convalescent plasma donor but I don't feel confident in terms of their pandemic response. My kids are 100% remote when the WHO stated that school kids are NOT super spreaders and lockdowns are terrible because they cause their own issues such as loss of business, depression, late diagnosis of medical ailments, etc.
• They state because I am white I have some sort of privilege and that I am inherently racist. I find that not only abhorrent but borderline unconstitutional as they take away my free speech. My skin color should not determine my beliefs. That is like stating I must be cheap because I am Jewish.
• Instead of denouncing Antifa they call it an "idea". They are hypocrites in that my kids are not allowed in school but are welcome to protest in large gatherings.
• They vilify our police force instead of teaching our youth to respect authority.
• They are pro everyone gets a trophy but that is not how real life works. If there is one opening for a job then one person gets it. Teaching winning and losing is very important and should start at a young age.
• They call America inherently racist but I am a son of immigrants from the old Soviet Union. When my kids get a little older I will make them watch Schindler's List. They can see what real oppression is. What real hatred is. What real genocide looks like. This is the greatest country in the world and that is what we should be teaching our youth. It is not without warts but what country is?
• As a Jewish family, Israel support is important to us and I am concerned that the Democrats would rather partner with Iran and the terror states of Palestine rather than side with Israel.
• I am OK with a change in our healthcare system but I am not sure how nationalizing it will encourage our youth to go into medicine when medical school is so pricey and the doctor compensation would be capped. I truly prefer free markets.
• I am further concerned that if my kids have conservative views as they get older they will be vilified because those views are suddenly deemed racist by the Left. Overall the word "racist" has lost its meaning. Or if my kids lean left they will follow and become intolerant of those with conservative views.
• From a financial perspective I am not sure the Democrats understand that raising the minimum wage results in loss of jobs due to robots becoming more economically feasible. Also higher regulations, eliminating fracking and raising taxes will further slow the economy.
• It is tough for me to understand why the Democrat party is focused on forced teaching of diversity and vilification of white persons. People cannot control their skin color so why focus on it?
• The bias in the media and censorship of conservative views is dangerous and would be equally dangerous if it were the other way around. Schools should teach kids how to think versus what to think and the media should report facts and allow the viewers to form their opinions versus skewing the facts. This has less to do with if Democrats win but it certainly would further empower an already biased media.
• Lastly, the transgender debate is frightening. I have two daughters. I have seen firsthand how boys now identify as girls and play sports vs. biological girls. The advantage the boys had is notable. I cannot get on the same page that gender is a social construct and that biological boys should be allowed in girls locker rooms and be allowed to compete in sports against them. The left turns a blind eye to it and calls concerned parents like myself transphobic. But why is it wrong for me not to want my girls to change in the locker room if a boy is present? Why is it wrong for me to want my girls to compete vs. other females? Female sports finally have some limelight and recognition and now this comes along?

This assumes that Trump loses and the Republicans lose the Senate so please don't make this thread about Trump but address the above topics. I would like to have an honest debate. Doesn't need to be civil but it needs to be honest.


Thank you

It’s tough to have a debate when you make so many different points. Would you like to pick one and we can dig in?

How about the last one please?

Man, the transgender children situation is a tough one. I fully understand the locker room concerns and the sports participation concerns. I also really feel for those children that suffer from an identity disorder as they must be tremendously struggling with it on a daily basis. Imagine if one of your daughters Was dealing with this?? Think how difficult that would be for her and you and you’re family.

With that said, I’d hope any school could make accommodations for these situations that make everybody feel as safe and included as possible. Doesn't that go to the core of a schools responsibility?

so perhaps a trans child could use a private office to get changed instead of a commonplace locker room. And perhaps when it comes to sports if the child is a trans female and a top performer then they compete with the boys. If they are not a top performer then they compete with the girls. Place them where appropriate depending on their skill level.

what do you think of those ideas?

I dislike them. I believe it creates a slippery slope. What if the boy child takes away a spot on a team from a biological girl? How is that fair? Trans is a mental illness and should be treated as such but other kids should not have to suffer.

And right now the fight is to have them be equals because gender is a social construct. If one of my girls identified as a boy it would not impact boy sports as boys are generally a lot more athletic. The other way however it’s not the case. Why not leave athletics as strictly biological? That is science. And Democrats keep yelling at us to trust science.

The fight is for awareness and education and acceptance. You seem to want to call them sick and dismiss them. The same was said about gays only a few years ago and blacks/women/non Christians in times before that.

Sports being strictly biological may be the solution for some very competitive programs. But some schools don’t take the competitiveness of their sports programs as seriously as others. Some see sports as a healthy after school activity and an area for kids to learn about teamwork, discipline and sportsmanship. Allowing kids to participate feel included and learn the very valuable skills that sports can teach can be so impactful.

I understand you solution to keep it strictly biological. Do you see any potential problems or issues that it might cause for some trans children?

No. They need medical help. If a girl is gay she is still a girl and may compete vs other girls. Boys are naturally bigger and stronger and more athletic. In terms of sports it should be strictly biological. Otherwise it’s not fair to girls. And scholarships could be up for grabs as well as captaincy. We need fair play in sports and allowing boys to compete versus girls because they identify as girls is physically dangerous to biological girls.

What kind of help?

Help in that they are born a boy. See why they identify as a girl as at the age of 12 they are still kids. At 18 they may decide how they wish. See what had caused them to feel this way. It’s not “normal”...suicide rates are extraordinarily high. Imagine if a boy said I identify as a couch. Would we just go along with it or get him some help to see why he feels that way. Me calling him a couch wouldn’t make him a couch.

Yes, families and psychiatrists have been struggling woth this for years and there is some good information on how different family’s, children and doctors have been trying to address it. Why do you think their suicide rate is so high. Think how isolated and judged and vilified, and bullied they must feel. It’s pretty heartbreaking to think of children going through that

Its high because they have a mental illness. If society accepts them they still look off. I am sorry but they do. It may be the new normal but it should not be in youth sports.

I never said anything about a new norm but certainly you understand how calling them sick or wrong or perverts or deranged or the plethora of other names the haters like to use... you see how that only makes the issues worse right? Tell me what harm comes from making them feel understood, loved, accepted, included?? Your a father and a coach, you know how children are... out yourself in the shoes of a parent of a kid who is truly struggling with this and tell me what kind of environment would be best for these kids?

Because it makes the other 99.9% highly uncomfortable. This isn’t about sexual persuasion but about actually identifying as something you’re not and going against science. If a child identifies as God do we go along with it or get them some help? I think by accepting their delusion you’re only setting them up for future distress as adults.

Because many have fed into this delusion we now have these kids changing in opposite gender locker rooms and playing sports with weaker persons biologically. Just not right. I would be willing to compromise if sports were not part of the package. To me it’s crazy to allow biological boys who identify as girls play sports vs biological girls.

To be fair. There is not a natural “right and wrong” it is our society that paints men as those with short hair and Pants and girls with Long hair make up and dresses. Neither of us know the psychology enough to tell what’s going on or how exactly trans people feel. I try and stay away from the “my way or the highway” perspective

That’s fine but in sports we need to separate by science not construct. As good as Serena Williams is she would lose to 100s of men. It would not be fair if Rafa Nadal identified as a woman and started winning grand slams.

They actually have stricter standards than simply identifying as the opposite sex for participating in competitions if one is trans. I believe the olympics and other major sports organizations have addressed these standards. Might be interesting to see what they’ve come up with. For the most part A with pro athletes I agree with you. For children I think we are further apart

It’s even worse for children. You’re infecting an entire team and killing their potential bond.

I don’t see it as an infection. Language like that perpetuates the problem IMO. I understand you’re uncomfortable with it as it’s something that you don’t understand. That doesn’t mean it is wrong or evil.

But you are. If nine players feel uncomfortable the team won’t gel. Part of me picking the team consists of chemistry. You throw a trans girl into the mix and it goes to hell. Just reality.

If that’s the case then why allow them in the classroom? I mean the kids would still be uncomfortable and doesn’t that hurt their learning experience?

Classroom is a single person experience. Your math test is yours. Sports is a team event. You’re only as strong as your weakest player. Apples and oranges. No one is taking my daughters math test for her. But if she is struggling with her J her teammates can pick her up.

If you’re so big on life lessons then don’t you think it valuable for kids to learn how to work with people that they don’t necessarily gel or feel comfortable with? We don’t always get to pick the teams we work with in our jobs or the partners we may need to negotiate and make deals with. It’s also ignorant to assume that straight grips would all feel uncomfortable with a trans girl. What if they love the trans girl but feel uncomfortable with the black girl? Should black girls not be allowed on the team? You see the slippery slope Right?

Our team has two black girls and an Asian girl. And no they would feel weird as would I. It would crack the fabric of a great team. We played against two teams with trans players. My girls were giggling and yet felt weird.

And 50 years ago the same was said about having that black and Asian girls on the team.

change doesn’t come easy but in retrospect you can see how wrong it was to have segregated schools. We are currently experiencing the same transition with the LGBT community. In 50 years this too will be looked back upon as a time of shame for how members of that community were treated.

No. You’re conflating skin color with biology. We had 30 girls try out for 10 spots. Not fair to give it to a biological boy. How do you not see that? Boys and girls are different in terms of actual science. They need to be kept separate when it comes to sports. Period.

What if you had 9 kids trying out for a 10 roster team and one was trans?

We had 30. If we only had nine, I would shut down the program. Also our wins would be tainted as other teams would see us as cheaters. Why? That is how I see other teams who use biological boys. This is an athletic event and it is unfair to allow biological boys to play vs. girls. We will not agree here. The fact that you do not see my POV and give me what ifs shows how divided we are.

I will end with this and we can move to another bullet of your choosing. Trans is a mental illness. Period. End of Story. Catering to kids rather than treating it just delays their pain.

Happy to move onto another topic. I’ll end by saying I respect your concerns but have a different POV. I view trans girls, which I wouldn’t call biological boys, and people who are struggling with a different perspective on life and who they are. I don’t think it right for me or you to call them sick or ill or wrong for feeling the way they feel. I would make the same argument about gay people. I think we are all better off when we can listen and support over judging and labeling.

ok, good game, I enjoyed the match... what’s up next?

No. You cannot conflate them with gay people. A gay girl is just as athletically challenged and or gifted as a straight girl. Not true for a trans girl!!!! Agree or disagree. Then we can end this.

In regards to participating in sports I agree. In regards to calling them mentally ill, sick and wrong my point stands

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Why, should I as a 39 (soon to be 40) year old business owner, family man (two kids in middle school), living in Boston should not be at best annoyed at worst extremely worried if the Democrats win the White House and the Senate?

The Democrat Party:

• Called the riots a Myth and said protests were mostly peaceful when cities were burning. They need to be 100% peaceful. They only proceeded with denouncement once the polls showed them slipping.
• COVID death rates are highest in Blue States, including mine, MA. I am a COVID survivor and convalescent plasma donor but I don't feel confident in terms of their pandemic response. My kids are 100% remote when the WHO stated that school kids are NOT super spreaders and lockdowns are terrible because they cause their own issues such as loss of business, depression, late diagnosis of medical ailments, etc.
• They state because I am white I have some sort of privilege and that I am inherently racist. I find that not only abhorrent but borderline unconstitutional as they take away my free speech. My skin color should not determine my beliefs. That is like stating I must be cheap because I am Jewish.
• Instead of denouncing Antifa they call it an "idea". They are hypocrites in that my kids are not allowed in school but are welcome to protest in large gatherings.
• They vilify our police force instead of teaching our youth to respect authority.
• They are pro everyone gets a trophy but that is not how real life works. If there is one opening for a job then one person gets it. Teaching winning and losing is very important and should start at a young age.
• They call America inherently racist but I am a son of immigrants from the old Soviet Union. When my kids get a little older I will make them watch Schindler's List. They can see what real oppression is. What real hatred is. What real genocide looks like. This is the greatest country in the world and that is what we should be teaching our youth. It is not without warts but what country is?
• As a Jewish family, Israel support is important to us and I am concerned that the Democrats would rather partner with Iran and the terror states of Palestine rather than side with Israel.
• I am OK with a change in our healthcare system but I am not sure how nationalizing it will encourage our youth to go into medicine when medical school is so pricey and the doctor compensation would be capped. I truly prefer free markets.
• I am further concerned that if my kids have conservative views as they get older they will be vilified because those views are suddenly deemed racist by the Left. Overall the word "racist" has lost its meaning. Or if my kids lean left they will follow and become intolerant of those with conservative views.
• From a financial perspective I am not sure the Democrats understand that raising the minimum wage results in loss of jobs due to robots becoming more economically feasible. Also higher regulations, eliminating fracking and raising taxes will further slow the economy.
• It is tough for me to understand why the Democrat party is focused on forced teaching of diversity and vilification of white persons. People cannot control their skin color so why focus on it?
• The bias in the media and censorship of conservative views is dangerous and would be equally dangerous if it were the other way around. Schools should teach kids how to think versus what to think and the media should report facts and allow the viewers to form their opinions versus skewing the facts. This has less to do with if Democrats win but it certainly would further empower an already biased media.
• Lastly, the transgender debate is frightening. I have two daughters. I have seen firsthand how boys now identify as girls and play sports vs. biological girls. The advantage the boys had is notable. I cannot get on the same page that gender is a social construct and that biological boys should be allowed in girls locker rooms and be allowed to compete in sports against them. The left turns a blind eye to it and calls concerned parents like myself transphobic. But why is it wrong for me not to want my girls to change in the locker room if a boy is present? Why is it wrong for me to want my girls to compete vs. other females? Female sports finally have some limelight and recognition and now this comes along?

This assumes that Trump loses and the Republicans lose the Senate so please don't make this thread about Trump but address the above topics. I would like to have an honest debate. Doesn't need to be civil but it needs to be honest.


Thank you

It’s tough to have a debate when you make so many different points. Would you like to pick one and we can dig in?

How about the last one please?

Man, the transgender children situation is a tough one. I fully understand the locker room concerns and the sports participation concerns. I also really feel for those children that suffer from an identity disorder as they must be tremendously struggling with it on a daily basis. Imagine if one of your daughters Was dealing with this?? Think how difficult that would be for her and you and you’re family.

With that said, I’d hope any school could make accommodations for these situations that make everybody feel as safe and included as possible. Doesn't that go to the core of a schools responsibility?

so perhaps a trans child could use a private office to get changed instead of a commonplace locker room. And perhaps when it comes to sports if the child is a trans female and a top performer then they compete with the boys. If they are not a top performer then they compete with the girls. Place them where appropriate depending on their skill level.

what do you think of those ideas?

I dislike them. I believe it creates a slippery slope. What if the boy child takes away a spot on a team from a biological girl? How is that fair? Trans is a mental illness and should be treated as such but other kids should not have to suffer.

And right now the fight is to have them be equals because gender is a social construct. If one of my girls identified as a boy it would not impact boy sports as boys are generally a lot more athletic. The other way however it’s not the case. Why not leave athletics as strictly biological? That is science. And Democrats keep yelling at us to trust science.

The fight is for awareness and education and acceptance. You seem to want to call them sick and dismiss them. The same was said about gays only a few years ago and blacks/women/non Christians in times before that.

Sports being strictly biological may be the solution for some very competitive programs. But some schools don’t take the competitiveness of their sports programs as seriously as others. Some see sports as a healthy after school activity and an area for kids to learn about teamwork, discipline and sportsmanship. Allowing kids to participate feel included and learn the very valuable skills that sports can teach can be so impactful.

I understand you solution to keep it strictly biological. Do you see any potential problems or issues that it might cause for some trans children?

No. They need medical help. If a girl is gay she is still a girl and may compete vs other girls. Boys are naturally bigger and stronger and more athletic. In terms of sports it should be strictly biological. Otherwise it’s not fair to girls. And scholarships could be up for grabs as well as captaincy. We need fair play in sports and allowing boys to compete versus girls because they identify as girls is physically dangerous to biological girls.

What kind of help?

Help in that they are born a boy. See why they identify as a girl as at the age of 12 they are still kids. At 18 they may decide how they wish. See what had caused them to feel this way. It’s not “normal”...suicide rates are extraordinarily high. Imagine if a boy said I identify as a couch. Would we just go along with it or get him some help to see why he feels that way. Me calling him a couch wouldn’t make him a couch.

Yes, families and psychiatrists have been struggling woth this for years and there is some good information on how different family’s, children and doctors have been trying to address it. Why do you think their suicide rate is so high. Think how isolated and judged and vilified, and bullied they must feel. It’s pretty heartbreaking to think of children going through that

Its high because they have a mental illness. If society accepts them they still look off. I am sorry but they do. It may be the new normal but it should not be in youth sports.

I never said anything about a new norm but certainly you understand how calling them sick or wrong or perverts or deranged or the plethora of other names the haters like to use... you see how that only makes the issues worse right? Tell me what harm comes from making them feel understood, loved, accepted, included?? Your a father and a coach, you know how children are... out yourself in the shoes of a parent of a kid who is truly struggling with this and tell me what kind of environment would be best for these kids?

Because it makes the other 99.9% highly uncomfortable. This isn’t about sexual persuasion but about actually identifying as something you’re not and going against science. If a child identifies as God do we go along with it or get them some help? I think by accepting their delusion you’re only setting them up for future distress as adults.

Because many have fed into this delusion we now have these kids changing in opposite gender locker rooms and playing sports with weaker persons biologically. Just not right. I would be willing to compromise if sports were not part of the package. To me it’s crazy to allow biological boys who identify as girls play sports vs biological girls.

To be fair. There is not a natural “right and wrong” it is our society that paints men as those with short hair and Pants and girls with Long hair make up and dresses. Neither of us know the psychology enough to tell what’s going on or how exactly trans people feel. I try and stay away from the “my way or the highway” perspective

That’s fine but in sports we need to separate by science not construct. As good as Serena Williams is she would lose to 100s of men. It would not be fair if Rafa Nadal identified as a woman and started winning grand slams.

They actually have stricter standards than simply identifying as the opposite sex for participating in competitions if one is trans. I believe the olympics and other major sports organizations have addressed these standards. Might be interesting to see what they’ve come up with. For the most part A with pro athletes I agree with you. For children I think we are further apart

It’s even worse for children. You’re infecting an entire team and killing their potential bond.

I don’t see it as an infection. Language like that perpetuates the problem IMO. I understand you’re uncomfortable with it as it’s something that you don’t understand. That doesn’t mean it is wrong or evil.

But you are. If nine players feel uncomfortable the team won’t gel. Part of me picking the team consists of chemistry. You throw a trans girl into the mix and it goes to hell. Just reality.

If that’s the case then why allow them in the classroom? I mean the kids would still be uncomfortable and doesn’t that hurt their learning experience?

Classroom is a single person experience. Your math test is yours. Sports is a team event. You’re only as strong as your weakest player. Apples and oranges. No one is taking my daughters math test for her. But if she is struggling with her J her teammates can pick her up.

If you’re so big on life lessons then don’t you think it valuable for kids to learn how to work with people that they don’t necessarily gel or feel comfortable with? We don’t always get to pick the teams we work with in our jobs or the partners we may need to negotiate and make deals with. It’s also ignorant to assume that straight grips would all feel uncomfortable with a trans girl. What if they love the trans girl but feel uncomfortable with the black girl? Should black girls not be allowed on the team? You see the slippery slope Right?

Our team has two black girls and an Asian girl. And no they would feel weird as would I. It would crack the fabric of a great team. We played against two teams with trans players. My girls were giggling and yet felt weird.

And 50 years ago the same was said about having that black and Asian girls on the team.

change doesn’t come easy but in retrospect you can see how wrong it was to have segregated schools. We are currently experiencing the same transition with the LGBT community. In 50 years this too will be looked back upon as a time of shame for how members of that community were treated.

No. You’re conflating skin color with biology. We had 30 girls try out for 10 spots. Not fair to give it to a biological boy. How do you not see that? Boys and girls are different in terms of actual science. They need to be kept separate when it comes to sports. Period.

What if you had 9 kids trying out for a 10 roster team and one was trans?

We had 30. If we only had nine, I would shut down the program. Also our wins would be tainted as other teams would see us as cheaters. Why? That is how I see other teams who use biological boys. This is an athletic event and it is unfair to allow biological boys to play vs. girls. We will not agree here. The fact that you do not see my POV and give me what ifs shows how divided we are.

I will end with this and we can move to another bullet of your choosing. Trans is a mental illness. Period. End of Story. Catering to kids rather than treating it just delays their pain.

Happy to move onto another topic. I’ll end by saying I respect your concerns but have a different POV. I view trans girls, which I wouldn’t call biological boys, and people who are struggling with a different perspective on life and who they are. I don’t think it right for me or you to call them sick or ill or wrong for feeling the way they feel. I would make the same argument about gay people. I think we are all better off when we can listen and support over judging and labeling.

ok, good game, I enjoyed the match... what’s up next?

No. You cannot conflate them with gay people. A gay girl is just as athletically challenged and or gifted as a straight girl. Not true for a trans girl!!!! Agree or disagree. Then we can end this.

In regards to participating in sports I agree. In regards to calling them mentally ill, sick and wrong my point stands

So we agree then. The rest is semantics. To me they are mentally ill to you they are just confused. I can live with that. But in terms of competitive sports it needs to be biological and again NOT the same as gay people as they don't have advantages based on sexual preference. Trans girls do. Significant ones at that.

 

[Slade3200]

Why, should I as a 39 (soon to be 40) year old business owner, family man (two kids in middle school), living in Boston should not be at best annoyed at worst extremely worried if the Democrats win the White House and the Senate?

The Democrat Party:

• Called the riots a Myth and said protests were mostly peaceful when cities were burning. They need to be 100% peaceful. They only proceeded with denouncement once the polls showed them slipping.
• COVID death rates are highest in Blue States, including mine, MA. I am a COVID survivor and convalescent plasma donor but I don't feel confident in terms of their pandemic response. My kids are 100% remote when the WHO stated that school kids are NOT super spreaders and lockdowns are terrible because they cause their own issues such as loss of business, depression, late diagnosis of medical ailments, etc.
• They state because I am white I have some sort of privilege and that I am inherently racist. I find that not only abhorrent but borderline unconstitutional as they take away my free speech. My skin color should not determine my beliefs. That is like stating I must be cheap because I am Jewish.
• Instead of denouncing Antifa they call it an "idea". They are hypocrites in that my kids are not allowed in school but are welcome to protest in large gatherings.
• They vilify our police force instead of teaching our youth to respect authority.
• They are pro everyone gets a trophy but that is not how real life works. If there is one opening for a job then one person gets it. Teaching winning and losing is very important and should start at a young age.
• They call America inherently racist but I am a son of immigrants from the old Soviet Union. When my kids get a little older I will make them watch Schindler's List. They can see what real oppression is. What real hatred is. What real genocide looks like. This is the greatest country in the world and that is what we should be teaching our youth. It is not without warts but what country is?
• As a Jewish family, Israel support is important to us and I am concerned that the Democrats would rather partner with Iran and the terror states of Palestine rather than side with Israel.
• I am OK with a change in our healthcare system but I am not sure how nationalizing it will encourage our youth to go into medicine when medical school is so pricey and the doctor compensation would be capped. I truly prefer free markets.
• I am further concerned that if my kids have conservative views as they get older they will be vilified because those views are suddenly deemed racist by the Left. Overall the word "racist" has lost its meaning. Or if my kids lean left they will follow and become intolerant of those with conservative views.
• From a financial perspective I am not sure the Democrats understand that raising the minimum wage results in loss of jobs due to robots becoming more economically feasible. Also higher regulations, eliminating fracking and raising taxes will further slow the economy.
• It is tough for me to understand why the Democrat party is focused on forced teaching of diversity and vilification of white persons. People cannot control their skin color so why focus on it?
• The bias in the media and censorship of conservative views is dangerous and would be equally dangerous if it were the other way around. Schools should teach kids how to think versus what to think and the media should report facts and allow the viewers to form their opinions versus skewing the facts. This has less to do with if Democrats win but it certainly would further empower an already biased media.
• Lastly, the transgender debate is frightening. I have two daughters. I have seen firsthand how boys now identify as girls and play sports vs. biological girls. The advantage the boys had is notable. I cannot get on the same page that gender is a social construct and that biological boys should be allowed in girls locker rooms and be allowed to compete in sports against them. The left turns a blind eye to it and calls concerned parents like myself transphobic. But why is it wrong for me not to want my girls to change in the locker room if a boy is present? Why is it wrong for me to want my girls to compete vs. other females? Female sports finally have some limelight and recognition and now this comes along?

This assumes that Trump loses and the Republicans lose the Senate so please don't make this thread about Trump but address the above topics. I would like to have an honest debate. Doesn't need to be civil but it needs to be honest.


Thank you

It’s tough to have a debate when you make so many different points. Would you like to pick one and we can dig in?

How about the last one please?

Man, the transgender children situation is a tough one. I fully understand the locker room concerns and the sports participation concerns. I also really feel for those children that suffer from an identity disorder as they must be tremendously struggling with it on a daily basis. Imagine if one of your daughters Was dealing with this?? Think how difficult that would be for her and you and you’re family.

With that said, I’d hope any school could make accommodations for these situations that make everybody feel as safe and included as possible. Doesn't that go to the core of a schools responsibility?

so perhaps a trans child could use a private office to get changed instead of a commonplace locker room. And perhaps when it comes to sports if the child is a trans female and a top performer then they compete with the boys. If they are not a top performer then they compete with the girls. Place them where appropriate depending on their skill level.

what do you think of those ideas?

I dislike them. I believe it creates a slippery slope. What if the boy child takes away a spot on a team from a biological girl? How is that fair? Trans is a mental illness and should be treated as such but other kids should not have to suffer.

And right now the fight is to have them be equals because gender is a social construct. If one of my girls identified as a boy it would not impact boy sports as boys are generally a lot more athletic. The other way however it’s not the case. Why not leave athletics as strictly biological? That is science. And Democrats keep yelling at us to trust science.

The fight is for awareness and education and acceptance. You seem to want to call them sick and dismiss them. The same was said about gays only a few years ago and blacks/women/non Christians in times before that.

Sports being strictly biological may be the solution for some very competitive programs. But some schools don’t take the competitiveness of their sports programs as seriously as others. Some see sports as a healthy after school activity and an area for kids to learn about teamwork, discipline and sportsmanship. Allowing kids to participate feel included and learn the very valuable skills that sports can teach can be so impactful.

I understand you solution to keep it strictly biological. Do you see any potential problems or issues that it might cause for some trans children?

No. They need medical help. If a girl is gay she is still a girl and may compete vs other girls. Boys are naturally bigger and stronger and more athletic. In terms of sports it should be strictly biological. Otherwise it’s not fair to girls. And scholarships could be up for grabs as well as captaincy. We need fair play in sports and allowing boys to compete versus girls because they identify as girls is physically dangerous to biological girls.

What kind of help?

Help in that they are born a boy. See why they identify as a girl as at the age of 12 they are still kids. At 18 they may decide how they wish. See what had caused them to feel this way. It’s not “normal”...suicide rates are extraordinarily high. Imagine if a boy said I identify as a couch. Would we just go along with it or get him some help to see why he feels that way. Me calling him a couch wouldn’t make him a couch.

Yes, families and psychiatrists have been struggling woth this for years and there is some good information on how different family’s, children and doctors have been trying to address it. Why do you think their suicide rate is so high. Think how isolated and judged and vilified, and bullied they must feel. It’s pretty heartbreaking to think of children going through that

Its high because they have a mental illness. If society accepts them they still look off. I am sorry but they do. It may be the new normal but it should not be in youth sports.

I never said anything about a new norm but certainly you understand how calling them sick or wrong or perverts or deranged or the plethora of other names the haters like to use... you see how that only makes the issues worse right? Tell me what harm comes from making them feel understood, loved, accepted, included?? Your a father and a coach, you know how children are... out yourself in the shoes of a parent of a kid who is truly struggling with this and tell me what kind of environment would be best for these kids?

Because it makes the other 99.9% highly uncomfortable. This isn’t about sexual persuasion but about actually identifying as something you’re not and going against science. If a child identifies as God do we go along with it or get them some help? I think by accepting their delusion you’re only setting them up for future distress as adults.

Because many have fed into this delusion we now have these kids changing in opposite gender locker rooms and playing sports with weaker persons biologically. Just not right. I would be willing to compromise if sports were not part of the package. To me it’s crazy to allow biological boys who identify as girls play sports vs biological girls.

To be fair. There is not a natural “right and wrong” it is our society that paints men as those with short hair and Pants and girls with Long hair make up and dresses. Neither of us know the psychology enough to tell what’s going on or how exactly trans people feel. I try and stay away from the “my way or the highway” perspective

That’s fine but in sports we need to separate by science not construct. As good as Serena Williams is she would lose to 100s of men. It would not be fair if Rafa Nadal identified as a woman and started winning grand slams.

They actually have stricter standards than simply identifying as the opposite sex for participating in competitions if one is trans. I believe the olympics and other major sports organizations have addressed these standards. Might be interesting to see what they’ve come up with. For the most part A with pro athletes I agree with you. For children I think we are further apart

It’s even worse for children. You’re infecting an entire team and killing their potential bond.

I don’t see it as an infection. Language like that perpetuates the problem IMO. I understand you’re uncomfortable with it as it’s something that you don’t understand. That doesn’t mean it is wrong or evil.

But you are. If nine players feel uncomfortable the team won’t gel. Part of me picking the team consists of chemistry. You throw a trans girl into the mix and it goes to hell. Just reality.

If that’s the case then why allow them in the classroom? I mean the kids would still be uncomfortable and doesn’t that hurt their learning experience?

Classroom is a single person experience. Your math test is yours. Sports is a team event. You’re only as strong as your weakest player. Apples and oranges. No one is taking my daughters math test for her. But if she is struggling with her J her teammates can pick her up.

If you’re so big on life lessons then don’t you think it valuable for kids to learn how to work with people that they don’t necessarily gel or feel comfortable with? We don’t always get to pick the teams we work with in our jobs or the partners we may need to negotiate and make deals with. It’s also ignorant to assume that straight grips would all feel uncomfortable with a trans girl. What if they love the trans girl but feel uncomfortable with the black girl? Should black girls not be allowed on the team? You see the slippery slope Right?

Our team has two black girls and an Asian girl. And no they would feel weird as would I. It would crack the fabric of a great team. We played against two teams with trans players. My girls were giggling and yet felt weird.

And 50 years ago the same was said about having that black and Asian girls on the team.

change doesn’t come easy but in retrospect you can see how wrong it was to have segregated schools. We are currently experiencing the same transition with the LGBT community. In 50 years this too will be looked back upon as a time of shame for how members of that community were treated.

No. You’re conflating skin color with biology. We had 30 girls try out for 10 spots. Not fair to give it to a biological boy. How do you not see that? Boys and girls are different in terms of actual science. They need to be kept separate when it comes to sports. Period.

What if you had 9 kids trying out for a 10 roster team and one was trans?

We had 30. If we only had nine, I would shut down the program. Also our wins would be tainted as other teams would see us as cheaters. Why? That is how I see other teams who use biological boys. This is an athletic event and it is unfair to allow biological boys to play vs. girls. We will not agree here. The fact that you do not see my POV and give me what ifs shows how divided we are.

I will end with this and we can move to another bullet of your choosing. Trans is a mental illness. Period. End of Story. Catering to kids rather than treating it just delays their pain.

Happy to move onto another topic. I’ll end by saying I respect your concerns but have a different POV. I view trans girls, which I wouldn’t call biological boys, and people who are struggling with a different perspective on life and who they are. I don’t think it right for me or you to call them sick or ill or wrong for feeling the way they feel. I would make the same argument about gay people. I think we are all better off when we can listen and support over judging and labeling.

ok, good game, I enjoyed the match... what’s up next?

Next is the bullshit of white privilege. I find it amusing and complete bullshit. Sorry to be blunt.

No need to sugarcoat, blunt is fine, I appreciate direct talk. I don’t like the term “white privileged” it is provocative which I think is by design due to a build up of frustration and tone deafness between whites and blacks in our society.

As far as the concept of white privilege I don’t think anybody can deny the reality of it given our nations history and the legal oppression our government and society put on blacks people for generations. It has resulted in generational advantages of wealth and education that fostered an environment with tilted scales for one group over the other.

what exactly do you take issue with?

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Why, should I as a 39 (soon to be 40) year old business owner, family man (two kids in middle school), living in Boston should not be at best annoyed at worst extremely worried if the Democrats win the White House and the Senate?

The Democrat Party:

• Called the riots a Myth and said protests were mostly peaceful when cities were burning. They need to be 100% peaceful. They only proceeded with denouncement once the polls showed them slipping.
• COVID death rates are highest in Blue States, including mine, MA. I am a COVID survivor and convalescent plasma donor but I don't feel confident in terms of their pandemic response. My kids are 100% remote when the WHO stated that school kids are NOT super spreaders and lockdowns are terrible because they cause their own issues such as loss of business, depression, late diagnosis of medical ailments, etc.
• They state because I am white I have some sort of privilege and that I am inherently racist. I find that not only abhorrent but borderline unconstitutional as they take away my free speech. My skin color should not determine my beliefs. That is like stating I must be cheap because I am Jewish.
• Instead of denouncing Antifa they call it an "idea". They are hypocrites in that my kids are not allowed in school but are welcome to protest in large gatherings.
• They vilify our police force instead of teaching our youth to respect authority.
• They are pro everyone gets a trophy but that is not how real life works. If there is one opening for a job then one person gets it. Teaching winning and losing is very important and should start at a young age.
• They call America inherently racist but I am a son of immigrants from the old Soviet Union. When my kids get a little older I will make them watch Schindler's List. They can see what real oppression is. What real hatred is. What real genocide looks like. This is the greatest country in the world and that is what we should be teaching our youth. It is not without warts but what country is?
• As a Jewish family, Israel support is important to us and I am concerned that the Democrats would rather partner with Iran and the terror states of Palestine rather than side with Israel.
• I am OK with a change in our healthcare system but I am not sure how nationalizing it will encourage our youth to go into medicine when medical school is so pricey and the doctor compensation would be capped. I truly prefer free markets.
• I am further concerned that if my kids have conservative views as they get older they will be vilified because those views are suddenly deemed racist by the Left. Overall the word "racist" has lost its meaning. Or if my kids lean left they will follow and become intolerant of those with conservative views.
• From a financial perspective I am not sure the Democrats understand that raising the minimum wage results in loss of jobs due to robots becoming more economically feasible. Also higher regulations, eliminating fracking and raising taxes will further slow the economy.
• It is tough for me to understand why the Democrat party is focused on forced teaching of diversity and vilification of white persons. People cannot control their skin color so why focus on it?
• The bias in the media and censorship of conservative views is dangerous and would be equally dangerous if it were the other way around. Schools should teach kids how to think versus what to think and the media should report facts and allow the viewers to form their opinions versus skewing the facts. This has less to do with if Democrats win but it certainly would further empower an already biased media.
• Lastly, the transgender debate is frightening. I have two daughters. I have seen firsthand how boys now identify as girls and play sports vs. biological girls. The advantage the boys had is notable. I cannot get on the same page that gender is a social construct and that biological boys should be allowed in girls locker rooms and be allowed to compete in sports against them. The left turns a blind eye to it and calls concerned parents like myself transphobic. But why is it wrong for me not to want my girls to change in the locker room if a boy is present? Why is it wrong for me to want my girls to compete vs. other females? Female sports finally have some limelight and recognition and now this comes along?

This assumes that Trump loses and the Republicans lose the Senate so please don't make this thread about Trump but address the above topics. I would like to have an honest debate. Doesn't need to be civil but it needs to be honest.


Thank you

It’s tough to have a debate when you make so many different points. Would you like to pick one and we can dig in?

How about the last one please?

Man, the transgender children situation is a tough one. I fully understand the locker room concerns and the sports participation concerns. I also really feel for those children that suffer from an identity disorder as they must be tremendously struggling with it on a daily basis. Imagine if one of your daughters Was dealing with this?? Think how difficult that would be for her and you and you’re family.

With that said, I’d hope any school could make accommodations for these situations that make everybody feel as safe and included as possible. Doesn't that go to the core of a schools responsibility?

so perhaps a trans child could use a private office to get changed instead of a commonplace locker room. And perhaps when it comes to sports if the child is a trans female and a top performer then they compete with the boys. If they are not a top performer then they compete with the girls. Place them where appropriate depending on their skill level.

what do you think of those ideas?

I dislike them. I believe it creates a slippery slope. What if the boy child takes away a spot on a team from a biological girl? How is that fair? Trans is a mental illness and should be treated as such but other kids should not have to suffer.

And right now the fight is to have them be equals because gender is a social construct. If one of my girls identified as a boy it would not impact boy sports as boys are generally a lot more athletic. The other way however it’s not the case. Why not leave athletics as strictly biological? That is science. And Democrats keep yelling at us to trust science.

The fight is for awareness and education and acceptance. You seem to want to call them sick and dismiss them. The same was said about gays only a few years ago and blacks/women/non Christians in times before that.

Sports being strictly biological may be the solution for some very competitive programs. But some schools don’t take the competitiveness of their sports programs as seriously as others. Some see sports as a healthy after school activity and an area for kids to learn about teamwork, discipline and sportsmanship. Allowing kids to participate feel included and learn the very valuable skills that sports can teach can be so impactful.

I understand you solution to keep it strictly biological. Do you see any potential problems or issues that it might cause for some trans children?

No. They need medical help. If a girl is gay she is still a girl and may compete vs other girls. Boys are naturally bigger and stronger and more athletic. In terms of sports it should be strictly biological. Otherwise it’s not fair to girls. And scholarships could be up for grabs as well as captaincy. We need fair play in sports and allowing boys to compete versus girls because they identify as girls is physically dangerous to biological girls.

What kind of help?

Help in that they are born a boy. See why they identify as a girl as at the age of 12 they are still kids. At 18 they may decide how they wish. See what had caused them to feel this way. It’s not “normal”...suicide rates are extraordinarily high. Imagine if a boy said I identify as a couch. Would we just go along with it or get him some help to see why he feels that way. Me calling him a couch wouldn’t make him a couch.

Yes, families and psychiatrists have been struggling woth this for years and there is some good information on how different family’s, children and doctors have been trying to address it. Why do you think their suicide rate is so high. Think how isolated and judged and vilified, and bullied they must feel. It’s pretty heartbreaking to think of children going through that

Its high because they have a mental illness. If society accepts them they still look off. I am sorry but they do. It may be the new normal but it should not be in youth sports.

I never said anything about a new norm but certainly you understand how calling them sick or wrong or perverts or deranged or the plethora of other names the haters like to use... you see how that only makes the issues worse right? Tell me what harm comes from making them feel understood, loved, accepted, included?? Your a father and a coach, you know how children are... out yourself in the shoes of a parent of a kid who is truly struggling with this and tell me what kind of environment would be best for these kids?

Because it makes the other 99.9% highly uncomfortable. This isn’t about sexual persuasion but about actually identifying as something you’re not and going against science. If a child identifies as God do we go along with it or get them some help? I think by accepting their delusion you’re only setting them up for future distress as adults.

Because many have fed into this delusion we now have these kids changing in opposite gender locker rooms and playing sports with weaker persons biologically. Just not right. I would be willing to compromise if sports were not part of the package. To me it’s crazy to allow biological boys who identify as girls play sports vs biological girls.

To be fair. There is not a natural “right and wrong” it is our society that paints men as those with short hair and Pants and girls with Long hair make up and dresses. Neither of us know the psychology enough to tell what’s going on or how exactly trans people feel. I try and stay away from the “my way or the highway” perspective

That’s fine but in sports we need to separate by science not construct. As good as Serena Williams is she would lose to 100s of men. It would not be fair if Rafa Nadal identified as a woman and started winning grand slams.

They actually have stricter standards than simply identifying as the opposite sex for participating in competitions if one is trans. I believe the olympics and other major sports organizations have addressed these standards. Might be interesting to see what they’ve come up with. For the most part A with pro athletes I agree with you. For children I think we are further apart

It’s even worse for children. You’re infecting an entire team and killing their potential bond.

I don’t see it as an infection. Language like that perpetuates the problem IMO. I understand you’re uncomfortable with it as it’s something that you don’t understand. That doesn’t mean it is wrong or evil.

But you are. If nine players feel uncomfortable the team won’t gel. Part of me picking the team consists of chemistry. You throw a trans girl into the mix and it goes to hell. Just reality.

If that’s the case then why allow them in the classroom? I mean the kids would still be uncomfortable and doesn’t that hurt their learning experience?

Classroom is a single person experience. Your math test is yours. Sports is a team event. You’re only as strong as your weakest player. Apples and oranges. No one is taking my daughters math test for her. But if she is struggling with her J her teammates can pick her up.

If you’re so big on life lessons then don’t you think it valuable for kids to learn how to work with people that they don’t necessarily gel or feel comfortable with? We don’t always get to pick the teams we work with in our jobs or the partners we may need to negotiate and make deals with. It’s also ignorant to assume that straight grips would all feel uncomfortable with a trans girl. What if they love the trans girl but feel uncomfortable with the black girl? Should black girls not be allowed on the team? You see the slippery slope Right?

Our team has two black girls and an Asian girl. And no they would feel weird as would I. It would crack the fabric of a great team. We played against two teams with trans players. My girls were giggling and yet felt weird.

And 50 years ago the same was said about having that black and Asian girls on the team.

change doesn’t come easy but in retrospect you can see how wrong it was to have segregated schools. We are currently experiencing the same transition with the LGBT community. In 50 years this too will be looked back upon as a time of shame for how members of that community were treated.

No. You’re conflating skin color with biology. We had 30 girls try out for 10 spots. Not fair to give it to a biological boy. How do you not see that? Boys and girls are different in terms of actual science. They need to be kept separate when it comes to sports. Period.

What if you had 9 kids trying out for a 10 roster team and one was trans?

We had 30. If we only had nine, I would shut down the program. Also our wins would be tainted as other teams would see us as cheaters. Why? That is how I see other teams who use biological boys. This is an athletic event and it is unfair to allow biological boys to play vs. girls. We will not agree here. The fact that you do not see my POV and give me what ifs shows how divided we are.

I will end with this and we can move to another bullet of your choosing. Trans is a mental illness. Period. End of Story. Catering to kids rather than treating it just delays their pain.

Happy to move onto another topic. I’ll end by saying I respect your concerns but have a different POV. I view trans girls, which I wouldn’t call biological boys, and people who are struggling with a different perspective on life and who they are. I don’t think it right for me or you to call them sick or ill or wrong for feeling the way they feel. I would make the same argument about gay people. I think we are all better off when we can listen and support over judging and labeling.

ok, good game, I enjoyed the match... what’s up next?

Next is the bullshit of white privilege. I find it amusing and complete bullshit. Sorry to be blunt.

No need to sugarcoat, blunt is fine, I appreciate direct talk. I don’t like the term “white privileged” it is provocative which I think is by design due to a build up of frustration and tone deafness between whites and blacks in our society.

As far as the concept of white privilege I don’t think anybody can deny the reality of it given our nations history and the legal oppression our government and society put on blacks people for generations. It has resulted in generational advantages of wealth and education that fostered an environment with tilted scales for one group over the other.

what exactly do you take issue with?

Using the basketball example. If a guy comes on the court and has one leg, do I have dual leg privilege or does he have one leg disadvantage. Certainly minorities face some disadvantages but also have some advantages. Saying I have privilege due to my skin color just ends the conversation and causes discord.