Democrats Never Met A Communist....

[PoliticalChic]

For starters George Santayana was born in Spain and always traveled using his Spanish passport even though he closely identified with America. However he left America at age 48 and never returned.

As usual PoliticalSpice fails the the first fact check.

The rest of her drivel is just her usual attempt to demonize liberals and Democrats as "communists" even though she really doesn't have any clue what communism actually is.

Epic fail right from the OP again.

/yawn

I was SOOOO hoping some dunce would pounce upon that reference, so I could hang him/her up by their ignorance.

And sure enough, the chief dunce fell right in.

I enjoyed setting the trap!


"George Santayana was an influential 20th century American thinker...;"
Santayana George Internet Encyclopedia of Philosophy

"George Santayana was a Spanish-born American philosopher..."
George Santayana The Poetry Foundation


Guess who said he was American?
Right.....he did.
"George Santayana was a ...raised and educated in the United States and identified himself as an American. He wrote in English and is generally considered an American man of letters."
THE BIOGRAPHY OF GEORGE SANTAYANA


"About my considering myself an American, there is some ambiguity. I am not legally an American citizen and travel with a Spanish passport: also pay the U.S. 30% of my income as taxes proper to a non-resident foreigner. But socially and as a writer, I am an American in practice, and almost all my friends have been Americans. Many of my books, however, were first published in England . . . ."
—Letters 8:205 (To Ira Detrich Cardiff, Rome, October 16, 1949)



I should be paid for educating you.....but, based on the results, let's keep it our secret.

Watching you scramble to recover from your embarrassment is always so entertaining, PoliticalSpice.

Liar.

Get that egg off your face.

 

[TooTall]

The Soviet Union collapsed because totalitarian Communism is fatally flawed.

You betcha'!!!


If only it had followed these simple rules: individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government.


Unfortunately, the same fate may await the United States for the same reason.

Reagan saved Social Security, remember? One of the top three best examples of Socialism in America?

lol, you people need to wake up and grow up.

Social Security is a government insurance program that only the government could screw up as badly as they have. The "I" in FICA stands for INSURANCE.

1. it is socialist 2. Ronald Reagan saved it.

And he never got rid of welfare.....he built up one of the largest socialist organizations, the military...

Tell me about your time in service. I called it rather authoritarian rather than socialist.

 

[georgephillip]

We were at War..............should we have dropped cotton balls to destroy their supply lines.................

They slaughtered their own during and after the War...........Killing anyone who dissented..........disagreed......and refused to comply with their twisted ways..................

They weren't nearly as twisted as those participating in a war of aggression on the opposite side of the planet from their hometowns:
"The International Military Tribunal at Nuremberg, which followed World War II, called the waging of aggressive war 'essentially an evil thing...to initiate a war of aggression...is not only an international crime; it is the supreme international crime, differing only from other war crimes in that it contains within itself the accumulated evil of the whole.'[2]"

Those smiling faces you claim to have rescued were fleeing the accumulated evil of the war of aggression the US launched on Indochina.

The tyranny they were escaping would never have happened if the US hadn't invaded and occupied Vietnam; you seem to have difficulty understanding cause and effect.

War of aggression - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

 

[PoliticalChic]

Due to his desire to preen in the Liberal spotlight, Truman bowed to the Left.

This in spite of the facts about communism....facts of which he was made fully aware.



9. On January 27, 1950, Representative Nixon of California made a speech in the House in which he quoted directly from a secret FBI memorandum on Soviet espionage in the United States, dated November 25, 1945.

Nixon said this document was "circulated among several key government departments and was made available to the President" in November, 1945.

The report was placed in the record of the Senate Internal Security Subcommittee on April 14, 1953. It identified thirty-seven government officials and employees as members of the Soviet espionage service. Among these were Alger Hiss, head of the Office of United Nations Affairs in the State Department; Harry Dexter White, Assistant Secretary of the Treasury, and Lauchlin Currie, administrative assistant to the President.



10. This FBI report is one of the most significant documents in recent American history. It shows that as early as November, 1945, Truman had received evidence from the FBI that Alger Hiss, Harry Dexter White, and many other officials of his administration were Soviet spies. As the Internal Security Sub committee reported on August 24, 1953, "these people stayed in their jobs, received promotions, and influenced policy for several years after impressive information had been marshaled."
Manly, "The Twenty Year Revolution," p. 139



a. In January, 1946, Truman promoted Harry Dexter White to the office of United States executive director of the International Monetary Fund. In the same month, Hiss went to London as senior adviser to the American delegation to the first session of the United Nations General Assembly.
A Page From the Truman Handbook - The Omega Letter

From his position, White was able to sabotage the Nationalist Chinese, and give victory in China to Mao and the communists.

And Hiss used his position to enable Stalin to have three votes in the United Nations to America's one.





The above is a cautionary tale, and a most enlightening one....even the staunchest of Americans, Truman was that, at that time in our history, had more than they handle in standing up to the wave of communism that washed over the nation.

 

[eagle1462010]

So your excuse to the MURDER of their own people is that these bombs drove them all mad until they decided to kill themselves.....................

LAME.............

US bombs murdered, maimed, and displaced millions of Cambodians between October '65 and August '73 and that radicalized enough survivors to bring Pol Pot to power in April '75. Funny how shit like that works in Mosul today.

In War people die..............on opposing sides...............Perhaps they went radical to get a Pol Pot or perhaps had we never been there at all they would have a Pol Pot.............I don't have a crystal ball to see how that would have worked out................but they took power and exterminated their own...............we were after their supply lines in a WAR............You blame the killing of their own people by the hands of Pol Pot on the U.S.............and I don't agree with your guess on WHAT IF SCENARIOS blaming the U.S. for ever problem in the world. You are ANTI-SEMITE, ANTI-AMERICAN and that is what you do on these boards.

We now expect you to do so.............If you ever actually praise AMERICA for anything, I do believe everyone would ask you if you are OK...............because it is simply something you don't do.

America is not to blame for the MURDERS of POL POT.........they killed their own...............

 

[Wry Catcher]

Since PC can't or won't answer the question, what caused the rise of Socialism and the Progressive Movement in the late 19th and early 20th Century, I'll give her the one word answer:

INEQUITY!

Or, the lack of fairness and justice. Which, BTW, is manifest today around the world and in our country with the rise of Callous Conservatism.

My reluctance is based on the fact that you reek with fear when reading the title of the thread, and have tried to change the subject.

"...the rise of Socialism and the Progressive Movement in the late 19th and early 20th Century...
...I have considered starting a thread about just that.....it will center on Hegel, and the fact that many of our Presidents were tutored via German scholars.
It is very different from American thought and attitude.


You should be very careful about endorsing Germanic views of governance.


Now....accept the challenge of the thread to which you have voluntarily subscribed and explain why Liberal/Progressive/Democrats are so enamored with homicidal philosophies such as communism.

Hegel Smagel. Primary sources, voter registration records from the era are telling, and aren't the product of working men and women reading Hegel or Marx or following the lead of anyone but their stomach and those of their family.

Your efforts to label everyone as a Communist is so '50's, the only fear I might have is that the inequity of the 'teens' will bring labor strive, and make the violence of the 30's look like a snowball fight by pre teens.

That you don't know that you and your ideological friends are the problem which will create what you fear most, is why I'm certain your efforts to intellectualize a rewrite of history is so misguided.

 

[Derideo_Te]

For starters George Santayana was born in Spain and always traveled using his Spanish passport even though he closely identified with America. However he left America at age 48 and never returned.

As usual PoliticalSpice fails the the first fact check.

The rest of her drivel is just her usual attempt to demonize liberals and Democrats as "communists" even though she really doesn't have any clue what communism actually is.

Epic fail right from the OP again.

/yawn

I was SOOOO hoping some dunce would pounce upon that reference, so I could hang him/her up by their ignorance.

And sure enough, the chief dunce fell right in.

I enjoyed setting the trap!


"George Santayana was an influential 20th century American thinker...;"
Santayana George Internet Encyclopedia of Philosophy

"George Santayana was a Spanish-born American philosopher..."
George Santayana The Poetry Foundation


Guess who said he was American?
Right.....he did.
"George Santayana was a ...raised and educated in the United States and identified himself as an American. He wrote in English and is generally considered an American man of letters."
THE BIOGRAPHY OF GEORGE SANTAYANA


"About my considering myself an American, there is some ambiguity. I am not legally an American citizen and travel with a Spanish passport: also pay the U.S. 30% of my income as taxes proper to a non-resident foreigner. But socially and as a writer, I am an American in practice, and almost all my friends have been Americans. Many of my books, however, were first published in England . . . ."
—Letters 8:205 (To Ira Detrich Cardiff, Rome, October 16, 1949)



I should be paid for educating you.....but, based on the results, let's keep it our secret.

Watching you scramble to recover from your embarrassment is always so entertaining, PoliticalSpice.

Liar.

Get that egg off your face.

Nothing you provided refuted what I posted. In fact it confirmed what I posted. You embarrassed yourself, as you do in all of your threads, and now you are trying to pretend that you didn't make a fool of yourself.

Since you repeat this mistake it means you lack the capacity to learn from your mistakes too.

 

[PoliticalChic]

For starters George Santayana was born in Spain and always traveled using his Spanish passport even though he closely identified with America. However he left America at age 48 and never returned.

As usual PoliticalSpice fails the the first fact check.

The rest of her drivel is just her usual attempt to demonize liberals and Democrats as "communists" even though she really doesn't have any clue what communism actually is.

Epic fail right from the OP again.

/yawn

I was SOOOO hoping some dunce would pounce upon that reference, so I could hang him/her up by their ignorance.

And sure enough, the chief dunce fell right in.

I enjoyed setting the trap!


"George Santayana was an influential 20th century American thinker...;"
Santayana George Internet Encyclopedia of Philosophy

"George Santayana was a Spanish-born American philosopher..."
George Santayana The Poetry Foundation


Guess who said he was American?
Right.....he did.
"George Santayana was a ...raised and educated in the United States and identified himself as an American. He wrote in English and is generally considered an American man of letters."
THE BIOGRAPHY OF GEORGE SANTAYANA


"About my considering myself an American, there is some ambiguity. I am not legally an American citizen and travel with a Spanish passport: also pay the U.S. 30% of my income as taxes proper to a non-resident foreigner. But socially and as a writer, I am an American in practice, and almost all my friends have been Americans. Many of my books, however, were first published in England . . . ."
—Letters 8:205 (To Ira Detrich Cardiff, Rome, October 16, 1949)



I should be paid for educating you.....but, based on the results, let's keep it our secret.

Watching you scramble to recover from your embarrassment is always so entertaining, PoliticalSpice.

Liar.

Get that egg off your face.

Nothing you provided refuted what I posted. In fact it confirmed what I posted. You embarrassed yourself, as you do in all of your threads, and now you are trying to pretend that you didn't make a fool of yourself.

Since you repeat this mistake it means you lack the capacity to learn from your mistakes too.

I always refer to Santayana as "the American philosopher, George Santayana" just to trap poseurs like you.

It worked like a charm.....and lying is the only way you can try to regain face.

Bad news: you never had any 'face,' you dunce.

 

[georgephillip]

The actuality is that it was North Vietnam that widened the war, not the United States. It was before 1965 that Hanoi created the Khmer Rouge (as early as WWII) and the Pathet Lao (mid ‘50’s) with the goal of conquering all of Indochina for communism.

Do you have any proof Hanoi created the Khmer Rouge BEFORE before the US invaded South Vietnam with the intent of "conquering all Indochina for communism"?

 

[PoliticalChic]

Since PC can't or won't answer the question, what caused the rise of Socialism and the Progressive Movement in the late 19th and early 20th Century, I'll give her the one word answer:

INEQUITY!

Or, the lack of fairness and justice. Which, BTW, is manifest today around the world and in our country with the rise of Callous Conservatism.

My reluctance is based on the fact that you reek with fear when reading the title of the thread, and have tried to change the subject.

"...the rise of Socialism and the Progressive Movement in the late 19th and early 20th Century...
...I have considered starting a thread about just that.....it will center on Hegel, and the fact that many of our Presidents were tutored via German scholars.
It is very different from American thought and attitude.


You should be very careful about endorsing Germanic views of governance.


Now....accept the challenge of the thread to which you have voluntarily subscribed and explain why Liberal/Progressive/Democrats are so enamored with homicidal philosophies such as communism.

Hegel Smagel. Primary sources, voter registration records from the era are telling, and aren't the product of working men and women reading Hegel or Marx or following the lead of anyone but their stomach and those of their family.

Your efforts to label everyone as a Communist is so '50's, the only fear I might have is that the inequity of the 'teens' will bring labor strive, and make the violence of the 30's look like a snowball fight by pre teens.

That you don't know that you and your ideological friends are the problem which will create what you fear most, is why I'm certain your efforts to intellectualize a rewrite of history is so misguided.

1. "Fifty years of liberal propaganda got people to thinking of Communist Party members as lovable idealists and the urge to fire them from their government jobs as an irrational anachronistic prejudice. Allowing card-carrying members of the Communist Party to handle classified material after the Alger Hiss case would be like encouraging al-Qaeda members to carry box cutters on airplanes after 9-11."
Coulter




2. Now, you coward....accept the challenge of the thread to which you have voluntarily subscribed and explain why Liberal/Progressive/Democrats are so enamored with homicidal philosophies such as communism.

 

[PoliticalChic]

The actuality is that it was North Vietnam that widened the war, not the United States. It was before 1965 that Hanoi created the Khmer Rouge (as early as WWII) and the Pathet Lao (mid ‘50’s) with the goal of conquering all of Indochina for communism.

Do you have any proof Hanoi created the Khmer Rouge BEFORE before the US invaded South Vietnam with the intent of "conquering all Indochina for communism"?

How'd you like the way I ripped you a new one with the Shawcross revelation?

I'm still chucklin' over that one.

 

[2aguy]

Here's a question for PC: What caused the rise of Socialism and the Progressive Movement in the late 19th and early 20th Centuries?

people had no experience with them and what they really planned to do when they gained power....they listened to the lofty ideas....not the end goals in the actual writings....whomwouldn't want a world where people are " from each according to their ability, to each according to their need" sounds wonderful....

they just didn't think through the part of "well....who decides your ability....and who decides your need....and well..........what if you disagree with their opinion?" Had the communists said...."well...if you disagree.....you are a class enemy and we will murder you and your family and take all of your property" I think people would have thought twice about supporting this stupid belief system.....

 

[georgephillip]

How'd you like the way I ripped you a new one with the Shawcross revelation?

I'm still chucklin' over that one.

When did Hanoi create the Khmer Rouge, Chuckles?

 

[AvgGuyIA]

How do you explain that it's the right that's been kissing Putin's butt on a regular basis?

We haven't been kissing that old communist's ass. We just think he's 10 times the man Obama is. Even Pee Wee Herman is more manly.

 

[PoliticalChic]

How'd you like the way I ripped you a new one with the Shawcross revelation?

I'm still chucklin' over that one.

When did Hanoi create the Khmer Rouge, Chuckles?

Remedial education coming right up.

"The Pathet Lao (Lao:ປະເທດລາວ, "Lao Nation"[1]) was a communist political movement and organization in Laos, formed in the mid-20th century. The group was ultimately successful in assuming political power after the Laotian Civil War. The Pathet Lao were always closely associated with Vietnamese communists. During the civil war, it was effectively organized, equipped and even led by the army of North Vietnam. They fought against the Anti-Communist Forces in the Vietnam War.

The Pathet Lao were the Laotian equivalent of South Vietnam's Viet Minh and later Viet Cong, and Cambodia's Khmer Rouge

The organization can trace its roots from the Second World War just as the Khmer Issarak in Cambodia and the Viet Minh & Vietnam People's Army in Vietnam did in the war as well. Its original name has been forgotten but in 1950 it was renamed the Pathet Lao, when it was adopted by Lao forces under Prince Souphanouvong, who joined the Viet Minh's revolt against the colonialFrenchauthorities inIndochinaduring theFirst Indochina War.

Prince Souphanouvong, who had spent seven years inNha Trang[4]during his sixteen years inVietnam,[5]metHo Chi Minh, and acquired a Vietnamese wife while in Vietnam, solicited Viet Minh aid in founding a guerrilla force."

Pathet Lao - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

 

[AvgGuyIA]

what the communist supporting libs always understood, but pretended like they didn't, is if a country is being used by your enemy to stage attacks on you and your allies.....it isn't a f*****g neutral country....even if the people of that country don't want your enemy there......but they supported the communists,during the war....so the blood of the dead is on them......not

When the US invaded and occupied South Vietnam without authorization from the UNSC or any imminent threat from the Vietnamese it committed "the supreme international crime."
"The International Military Tribunal at Nuremberg, which followed World War II, called the waging of aggressive war 'essentially an evil thing...to initiate a war of aggression...is not only an international crime; it is the supreme international crime, differing only from other war crimes in that it contains within itself the accumulated evil of the whole.'[2]

"Article 39 of the United Nations Charter provides that the UN Security Council shall determine the existence of any act of aggression and 'shall make recommendations, or decide what measures shall be taken in accordance with Articles 41 and 42, to maintain or restore international peace and security'"

"Accmulated evil of the whole"
Rhymes with Mosul

War of aggression - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

So this is devolving into a Fuck the VietNam Vets thread, huh? How nice of you to blame the fighting men of the Boomer generation.

 

[PoliticalChic]

So, beginning with Democrat Franklin Roosevelt, communism and Soviet espionage found a cozy home in American government.

Then there was FDR's Democrat/communist vice president, Henry Wallace.....and the personal battle that Democrat Harry Truman had, reflecting Roosevelt, until he understood the threat and responded to same.





Let's move on to the "Liberal Lion of the Senate," killer and traitor, Ted Kennedy.

Did I mention that he was a Democrat?



11. The following from the Central Committee archives, in Moscow: May 14, 1983, Committee on State Security of the USSR,

On 9-10 May of this year, Senator Edward Kennedy’s close friend and trusted confidant J. Tunney was in Moscow. The senator charged Tunney to convey the following message, through confidential contacts, to the General Secretary of the Center Committee of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, Y. Andropov:

… very troubled by the current state of Soviet-American relations. … dangerous. The main reason for this is Reagan’s belligerence, and his firm commitment to deploy new American middle range nuclear weapons… the President’s refusal to engage any modification on his politics…. improvement of the economy: inflation has been greatly reduced, production levels are increasing as is overall business activity. For these reasons, interest rates will continue to decline.


12. … prudent and timely to undertake the following steps to counter the militaristic politics of … he [Ted Kennedy] offers the following proposals to the General Secretary of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union Y.V. Andropov:

a. …a personal meeting in July of this year. The main purpose of the meeting, according to the senator, would be to arm Soviet officials with explanations … so they may be better prepared and more convincing during appearances in the USA… also invite one of the well known Republican senators, for example, Mark Hatfield.

b. … to influence Americans it would be important to organize in August-September of this year, televised interviews with Y.V. Andropov in the USA…the president of the board of directors of ABC, Elton Raul and television columnists Walter Cronkite or Barbara Walters…

c. … Tunney remarked that the senator wants to run for president in 1988. …Kennedy does not discount that during the 1984 campaign, the Democratic Party may officially turn to him to lead the fight against the Republicans… "
Letter Details Kennedy Offer To USSR Sweetness Light




I can think of only one other such treasonous action by an American diplomat, that would be when FDR's live-in adviser and Soviet Spy, Harry Hopkins, worked to get Stalin's policies agreed to by Roosevelt.

According to Soviet records, in May of 1942,Harry Hopkins privately coached Foreign Minister Molotov on what to say to FDR to overcome US military arguments against a 'second front' in France.
Eduard Mark, " Venona's source 19 and the 'Trident' Conference of May 1943: diplomacy or espionage?," p.20
(seeEBSEES Mark Eduard Venona s source 19 and the Trident Conference of May 1943 diplomacy or espionage




So, Ted Kennedy attempted to form a pact with the Soviets against the President of the United States.

But events were not kind to Kennedy...another gift by Providence to America: in September of ’83, the Russians shot down a Korean airliner, killing 269, including 61 Americans.

And Andropov died in February of ’84.

 

[georgephillip]

Remedial education coming right up.

"The Pathet Lao

Except my question concerned the Khmer Rouge, remember?
Maybe you can't multitask?

 

[2aguy]

So, beginning with Democrat Franklin Roosevelt, communism and Soviet espionage found a cozy home in American government.

Then there was FDR's Democrat/communist vice president, Henry Wallace.....and the personal battle that Democrat Harry Truman had, reflecting Roosevelt, until he understood the threat and responded to same.





Let's move on to the "Liberal Lion of the Senate," killer and traitor, Ted Kennedy.

Did I mention that he was a Democrat?



11. The following from the Central Committee archives, in Moscow: May 14, 1983, Committee on State Security of the USSR,

On 9-10 May of this year, Senator Edward Kennedy’s close friend and trusted confidant J. Tunney was in Moscow. The senator charged Tunney to convey the following message, through confidential contacts, to the General Secretary of the Center Committee of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, Y. Andropov:

… very troubled by the current state of Soviet-American relations. … dangerous. The main reason for this is Reagan’s belligerence, and his firm commitment to deploy new American middle range nuclear weapons… the President’s refusal to engage any modification on his politics…. improvement of the economy: inflation has been greatly reduced, production levels are increasing as is overall business activity. For these reasons, interest rates will continue to decline.


12. … prudent and timely to undertake the following steps to counter the militaristic politics of … he [Ted Kennedy] offers the following proposals to the General Secretary of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union Y.V. Andropov:

a. …a personal meeting in July of this year. The main purpose of the meeting, according to the senator, would be to arm Soviet officials with explanations … so they may be better prepared and more convincing during appearances in the USA… also invite one of the well known Republican senators, for example, Mark Hatfield.

b. … to influence Americans it would be important to organize in August-September of this year, televised interviews with Y.V. Andropov in the USA…the president of the board of directors of ABC, Elton Raul and television columnists Walter Cronkite or Barbara Walters…

c. … Tunney remarked that the senator wants to run for president in 1988. …Kennedy does not discount that during the 1984 campaign, the Democratic Party may officially turn to him to lead the fight against the Republicans… "
Letter Details Kennedy Offer To USSR Sweetness Light




I can think of only one other such treasonous action by an American diplomat, that would be when FDR's live-in adviser and Soviet Spy, Harry Hopkins, worked to get Stalin's policies agreed to by Roosevelt.

According to Soviet records, in May of 1942,Harry Hopkins privately coached Foreign Minister Molotov on what to say to FDR to overcome US military arguments against a 'second front' in France.
Eduard Mark, " Venona's source 19 and the 'Trident' Conference of May 1943: diplomacy or espionage?," p.20
(seeEBSEES Mark Eduard Venona s source 19 and the Trident Conference of May 1943 diplomacy or espionage




So, Ted Kennedy attempted to form a pact with the Soviets against the President of the United States.

But events were not kind to Kennedy...another gift by Providence to America: in September of ’83, the Russians shot down a Korean airliner, killing 269, including 61 Americans.

And Andropov died in February of ’84.

kennedy was a traitor....and responsible for manslaughter.....and he is revered by the democrats......

 

[edthecynic]

"Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
So saith the American philosopher George Santayana.

If history repeats itself, and the unexpected always happens, how incapable must Man be of learning from experience.
- George Bernard Shaw

Once again you quote one staunchly in favor of genocide and eugenics.

And once again you lie.