Democrats: The Anti-Liberty Party

[NYcarbineer]

So if property is liberty, and you want to blame Democrats for being anti-property and thus anti-liberty,

does this mean you RWnuts have given up on the propaganda that claims that Democrats/liberals caused the housing bubble through their efforts

to increase home ownership?

Pick one or the other.

 

[NYcarbineer]

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2. “Gov. David A. Paterson defiantly vowed to run for election next year despite the White House‘s urging that he withdraw from the New York governor’s race.” http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/20/nyregion/20paterson.html

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Who urged Paterson not to run for re-election because of his skin color?

Name names.

 

[-S-]

OMG...you are dense.


While talking a great game, it is well known by all except liberals in general, and the Black community specifically, that the Democrat Party claims to be concerned with support of blacks, their record with respect to black politicians tells a different story…



1. In 2005, the Democrats did not name Donna Brazile to head the Democratic National Committee. They chose Howard Dean.


2. “Gov. David A. Paterson defiantly vowed to run for election next year despite the White House‘s urging that he withdraw from the New York governor’s race.” http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/20/nyregion/20paterson.html

3. President Barack Obama has kept mum on the fate of Rep. Charles Rangel (D-NY) for days -- but he tells CBS News that it's time for the embattled 80-year-old former Ways and Means Chairman to end his career "with dignity."

"I think Charlie Rangel served a very long time and served-- his constituents very well. But these-- allegations are very troubling," Obama told Harry Smith in an interview to be aired on the "Early Show." and first broadcast on the CBS Evening News with Katie Couric. Obama Time for Rangel to end career with dignity - Ben Smith - POLITICO.com

4 Harold Ford told not to run for Senator from New York:

“From the start, Mr. Ford’s potential candidacy angered national Democratic Party leaders by disrupting plans for what was planned as a seamless Gillibrand nomination. Harry Reid of Nevada, the Senate majority leader, called Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg to discourage him from supporting Mr. Ford, and Senator Charles E. Schumer of New York met personally with Mr. Ford to argue against his candidacy.” http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/02/nyregion/02ford.html


5. “As state comptroller, [Carl] McCall earned the distinction of being the first African American ever elected to a statewide office in New York. Four years later voters overwhelmingly supported McCall over Republican Bruce Blakeman 64.75 to 32.1%. McCall's reelection in 1998 may have given him the confidence he needed in order to pursue the governor's mansion….The McCall campaign had the support of the Democratic Party; whether or not McCall had the party's full support has been the subject of much debate….Still one wonders just how committed the party was to McCall's campaign….shunned by some of the state's most respected Democrats…McCall blamed his money woes on the national Democratic Party, claiming that the party had abandoned his campaign….” H. Carl McCall for Governor a lesson to all black high-profile statewide office seekers. - Free Online Library


6. And, most telling, Bill Clinton’s remarks about the black candidate for the presidency:

“[A]s Hillary bungled Caroline, Bill’s handling of Ted was even worse. The day after Iowa, he phoned Kennedy and pressed for an endorsement, making the case for his wife. But Bill then went on, belittling Obama in a manner that deeply offended Kennedy. Recounting the conversation later to a friend, Teddy fumed that Clinton had said, A few years ago, this guy would have been getting us coffee.”
Teddy s anger - Ben Smith - POLITICO.com


7. Three staffers working for embattled Rep. Maxine Waters (D-Calif.) were asked by security officers to leave an event in downtown Washington on Thursday after they tried to display large campaign signs just as House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) was about to speak. .. Waters told The Hill afterward that the staffers had been displaying the signs at the annual legislative conference for the Congressional Black Caucus Foundation, which was held at the Washington convention center a few blocks away. “It ain’t about Nancy. It’s about black people,” Waters said. Waters aides expelled from Pelosi event TheHill


8. And what Governor of Arkansas made the Saturday before Easter "Confederate Flag Day"?
The Arkansas Code, Section 1-5-107. Confederate Flag Day.
(a) The Saturday immediately preceding Easter Sunday of each year is designated as "Confederate Flag Day" in this state.
No person, firm, or corporation shall display any Confederate flag or replica thereof in connection with any advertisement of any commercial enterprise, or in any manner for any purpose except to honor the Confederate States of America.
Any person, firm, or corporation violating the provisions of this section shall be guilty of a misdemeanor and upon conviction shall be fined not less than one hundred dollars ($100) nor more than one thousand dollars ($1,000).

"In April 1985, Governor Bill Clinton signed Act 985 into law...'
Mark R. Levin on Trent Lott & Moral Outrage on National Review Online


9. Do Democrats in Congress support blacks by practicing affirmative action in their hiring…and of course this would be our of moral convictions, as they are legally exempt from affirmative action requirements. More than passing interesting, the ‘National Journal,’ a survey of congressional staffers revealed that Democrats hired black employees at the same rate as Republicans: 2 percent. “The Racial Breakdown of Congressional Staffs,” National Journal, June 21, 2005
Schweitzer, “Do As I Say,” p. 9


10. Clinton pushed black candidate to drop out of Florida race:

“Bill Clinton sought to persuade Rep. Kendrick Meek to drop out of the race for Senate during a trip to Florida last week — and nearly succeeded…Clinton did not dangle a job in front of Meek, who gave up a safe House seat to run for the Senate, but instead made the case that the move would advance the congressman’s future prospects, said a third Democrat familiar with the conversations. Clinton campaigned with Meek in Florida on Oct. 19 and 20, and thought he had won Meek over. But as the week wore on, Meek lost his enthusiasm for the arrangement, spurred in part, a third Democratic source said, by his wife’s belief that he could still win the race. Clinton spoke with Meek again at week’s end, three Democrats said, and again Meek said he would drop out.”
Read more: Bill Clinton pushed Kendrick Meek to quit Florida race - Ben Smith - POLITICO.com


By some strange coincidence, the Democrats, again, force a black to the back:

11. “Under an arrangement reached two days ago, Steny Hoyer of Maryland, the current majority leader, would get the No. 2 job of minority whip come January. Clyburn, now majority whip, would hold the post of assistant leader, newly created for the purpose of heading off a contest for the whip position.” Bloomberg Business





12. Remember Mark Lloyd, who was chosen by President Obama as the Federal Communications Commission (FCC)'s Chief Diversity Officer, a.k.a. the Diversity Czar?
This... there's nothing more difficult than this. Because we have really, truly good white people in important positions. And the fact of the matter is that there are a limited number of those positions. And unless we are conscious of the need to have more people of color, gays, other people in those positions we will not change the problem.

We're in a position where you have to say who is going to step down so someone else can have power.
Audio FCC s Diversity Czar White People Need to be Forced to Step Down So Someone Else Can Have Power



So....who are those white Democrats who 'stepped down' so black Dems could 'have power'???



Amazing how you just lap up the propaganda.

... Well, first of all, let me just say that I'm not going to insult the intelligence of anybody here by starting my response with "OMG"




But once again, my point isn't about Democratic politicians views, but simply the platform the Democratic Party has at this time.

Bill Clinton may very well be a closet racist, along with EVERY Democrat of his generation haha, but the platform of the current Democratic Party is not.

The brand new voters of Democratic party, the new generations, don't have to hold on to their parents'/grandparents' core beliefs. They can look at the platform in a fresh way, without any prejudiced predispositions, and stand for the principles they hold in a completely tolerant way. I don't know why this is so hard for you to grasp.


No matter how many links you provide proving that older Democrats have said prejudiced comments in the past, or didn't nominate black politicians for certain positions, it doesn't disprove anything I've said. You need to look deeper into what I've been saying. I bolded the important material in this post so (hopefully) I won't have to keep repeating myself.

 

[NoTeaPartyPleez]

Glad you brought this up. As always, your links are worth nothing but the question of which party favors individual freedoms, rights and liberties is worth a discussion.

Abortion
Marriage equality
Sharia law to control the populace
Forcing people to give up their property for a pipeline that does not benefit the US
Taking from the poor to give to the rich
Believing one criminal rancher should be able to steal millions from Americans

There are many more examples but I'm sure you get the idea.

It's clear from the farrago and fabrication that you provided that you'd like to avoid the debate.....

...but let's see if we can get you on the record:

Are you, as is true of Democrats, Liberals, Progressives....


....opposed to private property and freedom of speech?



Speak up.

Oh, shut up. If this were true we would have been able to gag idiots like you six years ago.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Glad you brought this up. As always, your links are worth nothing but the question of which party favors individual freedoms, rights and liberties is worth a discussion.

Abortion
Marriage equality
Sharia law to control the populace
Forcing people to give up their property for a pipeline that does not benefit the US
Taking from the poor to give to the rich
Believing one criminal rancher should be able to steal millions from Americans

There are many more examples but I'm sure you get the idea.

It's clear from the farrago and fabrication that you provided that you'd like to avoid the debate.....

...but let's see if we can get you on the record:

Are you, as is true of Democrats, Liberals, Progressives....


....opposed to private property and freedom of speech?



Speak up.

Oh, shut up. If this were true we would have been able to gag idiots like you six years ago.

How truly stupid must one be to provide a post that verifies exactly what galls you most about the OP!!!!

Oh...right....the 'reliable Democrat voter' stupid.


"Oh, shut up."
The Liberal, Progressive, Democrat bumper-sticker.

 

[PoliticalChic]

OMG...you are dense.


While talking a great game, it is well known by all except liberals in general, and the Black community specifically, that the Democrat Party claims to be concerned with support of blacks, their record with respect to black politicians tells a different story…



1. In 2005, the Democrats did not name Donna Brazile to head the Democratic National Committee. They chose Howard Dean.


2. “Gov. David A. Paterson defiantly vowed to run for election next year despite the White House‘s urging that he withdraw from the New York governor’s race.” http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/20/nyregion/20paterson.html

3. President Barack Obama has kept mum on the fate of Rep. Charles Rangel (D-NY) for days -- but he tells CBS News that it's time for the embattled 80-year-old former Ways and Means Chairman to end his career "with dignity."

"I think Charlie Rangel served a very long time and served-- his constituents very well. But these-- allegations are very troubling," Obama told Harry Smith in an interview to be aired on the "Early Show." and first broadcast on the CBS Evening News with Katie Couric. Obama Time for Rangel to end career with dignity - Ben Smith - POLITICO.com

4 Harold Ford told not to run for Senator from New York:

“From the start, Mr. Ford’s potential candidacy angered national Democratic Party leaders by disrupting plans for what was planned as a seamless Gillibrand nomination. Harry Reid of Nevada, the Senate majority leader, called Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg to discourage him from supporting Mr. Ford, and Senator Charles E. Schumer of New York met personally with Mr. Ford to argue against his candidacy.” http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/02/nyregion/02ford.html


5. “As state comptroller, [Carl] McCall earned the distinction of being the first African American ever elected to a statewide office in New York. Four years later voters overwhelmingly supported McCall over Republican Bruce Blakeman 64.75 to 32.1%. McCall's reelection in 1998 may have given him the confidence he needed in order to pursue the governor's mansion….The McCall campaign had the support of the Democratic Party; whether or not McCall had the party's full support has been the subject of much debate….Still one wonders just how committed the party was to McCall's campaign….shunned by some of the state's most respected Democrats…McCall blamed his money woes on the national Democratic Party, claiming that the party had abandoned his campaign….” H. Carl McCall for Governor a lesson to all black high-profile statewide office seekers. - Free Online Library


6. And, most telling, Bill Clinton’s remarks about the black candidate for the presidency:

“[A]s Hillary bungled Caroline, Bill’s handling of Ted was even worse. The day after Iowa, he phoned Kennedy and pressed for an endorsement, making the case for his wife. But Bill then went on, belittling Obama in a manner that deeply offended Kennedy. Recounting the conversation later to a friend, Teddy fumed that Clinton had said, A few years ago, this guy would have been getting us coffee.”
Teddy s anger - Ben Smith - POLITICO.com


7. Three staffers working for embattled Rep. Maxine Waters (D-Calif.) were asked by security officers to leave an event in downtown Washington on Thursday after they tried to display large campaign signs just as House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) was about to speak. .. Waters told The Hill afterward that the staffers had been displaying the signs at the annual legislative conference for the Congressional Black Caucus Foundation, which was held at the Washington convention center a few blocks away. “It ain’t about Nancy. It’s about black people,” Waters said. Waters aides expelled from Pelosi event TheHill


8. And what Governor of Arkansas made the Saturday before Easter "Confederate Flag Day"?
The Arkansas Code, Section 1-5-107. Confederate Flag Day.
(a) The Saturday immediately preceding Easter Sunday of each year is designated as "Confederate Flag Day" in this state.
No person, firm, or corporation shall display any Confederate flag or replica thereof in connection with any advertisement of any commercial enterprise, or in any manner for any purpose except to honor the Confederate States of America.
Any person, firm, or corporation violating the provisions of this section shall be guilty of a misdemeanor and upon conviction shall be fined not less than one hundred dollars ($100) nor more than one thousand dollars ($1,000).

"In April 1985, Governor Bill Clinton signed Act 985 into law...'
Mark R. Levin on Trent Lott & Moral Outrage on National Review Online


9. Do Democrats in Congress support blacks by practicing affirmative action in their hiring…and of course this would be our of moral convictions, as they are legally exempt from affirmative action requirements. More than passing interesting, the ‘National Journal,’ a survey of congressional staffers revealed that Democrats hired black employees at the same rate as Republicans: 2 percent. “The Racial Breakdown of Congressional Staffs,” National Journal, June 21, 2005
Schweitzer, “Do As I Say,” p. 9


10. Clinton pushed black candidate to drop out of Florida race:

“Bill Clinton sought to persuade Rep. Kendrick Meek to drop out of the race for Senate during a trip to Florida last week — and nearly succeeded…Clinton did not dangle a job in front of Meek, who gave up a safe House seat to run for the Senate, but instead made the case that the move would advance the congressman’s future prospects, said a third Democrat familiar with the conversations. Clinton campaigned with Meek in Florida on Oct. 19 and 20, and thought he had won Meek over. But as the week wore on, Meek lost his enthusiasm for the arrangement, spurred in part, a third Democratic source said, by his wife’s belief that he could still win the race. Clinton spoke with Meek again at week’s end, three Democrats said, and again Meek said he would drop out.”
Read more: Bill Clinton pushed Kendrick Meek to quit Florida race - Ben Smith - POLITICO.com


By some strange coincidence, the Democrats, again, force a black to the back:

11. “Under an arrangement reached two days ago, Steny Hoyer of Maryland, the current majority leader, would get the No. 2 job of minority whip come January. Clyburn, now majority whip, would hold the post of assistant leader, newly created for the purpose of heading off a contest for the whip position.” Bloomberg Business





12. Remember Mark Lloyd, who was chosen by President Obama as the Federal Communications Commission (FCC)'s Chief Diversity Officer, a.k.a. the Diversity Czar?
This... there's nothing more difficult than this. Because we have really, truly good white people in important positions. And the fact of the matter is that there are a limited number of those positions. And unless we are conscious of the need to have more people of color, gays, other people in those positions we will not change the problem.

We're in a position where you have to say who is going to step down so someone else can have power.
Audio FCC s Diversity Czar White People Need to be Forced to Step Down So Someone Else Can Have Power



So....who are those white Democrats who 'stepped down' so black Dems could 'have power'???



Amazing how you just lap up the propaganda.

... Well, first of all, let me just say that I'm not going to insult the intelligence of anybody here by starting my response with "OMG"




But once again, my point isn't about Democratic politicians views, but simply the platform the Democratic Party has at this time.

Bill Clinton may very well be a closet racist, along with EVERY Democrat of his generation haha, but the platform of the current Democratic Party is not.

The brand new voters of Democratic party, the new generations, don't have to hold on to their parents'/grandparents' core beliefs. They can look at the platform in a fresh way, without any prejudiced predispositions, and stand for the principles they hold in a completely tolerant way. I don't know why this is so hard for you to grasp.


No matter how many links you provide proving that older Democrats have said prejudiced comments in the past, or didn't nominate black politicians for certain positions, it doesn't disprove anything I've said. You need to look deeper into what I've been saying. I bolded the important material in this post so (hopefully) I won't have to keep repeating myself.

Reality is defined by actions, not words.


When you grow up....

a. you'll recognize the truth of that statement.
b. you'll be on your way to becoming a conservative.

 

[NYcarbineer]

The 'liberty' of free speech, Conservative-style:

Gov. Rick Scott’s ban on climate change term extended to other state agencies

Read more here: Gov. Rick Scott s ban on climate change term extended to other state agencies Miami Herald Miami Herald

 

[Uncensored2008]

The word "property" was replaced with the term "pursuit of happiness". If the founding fathers wanted to insert your opinion, theory, concept or idea that is needed to build on the rest of theory, they would have kept the quote the way the slave owner Locke wrote it and would not have replaced it with "pursuit of happiness".

So, the founding fathers were silent on property rights? Mason, Madison, Jefferson, Franklin, et al. - Federalist and Libertarian (anti-Federalist) alike opposed the notion that the right to property was the foundation of civil rights and responsibilities?

Would you like to revise your answer?

 

[Uncensored2008]

Funny, I voted democratic yet still have property.....anyone need to buy some land?

Who is the largest land holder, in acres, in America?

a.) The Koch brothers
b.) Rush Limbaugh
c.) The Federal Government

 

[Uncensored2008]

I am pro liberty and vote independent.

Independent of Republicans and Democrats.

And I'm Queen Elizabeth of England...

 

[G.T.]

I am pro liberty and vote independent.

Independent of Republicans and Democrats.

And I'm Queen Elizabeth of England...

Theres no such position as queen, your life is a lie.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Is this thread meant to infer that Republicans are the pro-liberty party, because that's a joke.

Leftism is anti-liberty. This fact states nothing about the "Republican Party" or "tea baggers" or whatever other disingenuous and defamatory terms you bandy about. Leftists seek to infringe on the right to real property and the right to free expression. These are facts, which are not altered by your partisanship.

 

[Liminal]

Boil down, and 'Liberty' can be reduced to
a. Private Propery
b. Freedom of speech

Both are anathema to Progressives, Liberals, Democrasts.



1. Some know that before it became “life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness” in our Declaration of Independence,John Locke wrote that man has a right to “life, liberty, and property.”
Property Rights Have Personal Parallels - Forbes

2. " Karl Marx describes in his communist manifesto, the ten steps necessary to destroy a free enterprise system and replace it with a system of omnipotent government power, so as to effect a communist socialist state. Those ten steps are known as theTen Planksof The Communist Manifesto…

a. Abolition of private property and the application of all rents of land to public purposes.

b. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.

c. Centralization of the means of communications and transportation in the hands of the State."
Communist Manifesto 10 Planks



3. Without admitting obeisance to Marx, this government obviates the 'private' part via taxation and regulation.
Remember the "The Anti-Capitalist Brigade..." Occupy Wall Street? http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/05/magazine/oakland-occupy-movement.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

The current Marxists reveal same with its war cry..... 'income inequality' and support for exta-legal demands with it's creation Occupy Wall Street.
And Obama and Pelosi were right there with them from the start.





4. In order to muzzle dissent, the radicals, early on, took aim at the media, and at academia. But controlling these outlets of information was not enough.

Silencing opposition voices, as any fascist program would do, became the corollary.


a. "....attempts to shut down people whose free speech interferes with other people's political agendas go on, with remarkably little notice, much less outrage. The Internal Revenue Service's targeting the tax-exempt status of conservative groups is just one of these attempts to fight political battles by shutting up the opposition, rather than answering them." The New Inquisition - Thomas Sowell - Page 1

This looks like even less than your usual nothing.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Theres no such position as queen, your life is a lie.

Someone forgot to tell England...

Just as someone forgot to tell reality that you are not a partisan democrat,

 

[G.T.]

Theres no such position as queen, your life is a lie.

Someone forgot to tell England...

Just as someone forgot to tell reality that you are not a partisan democrat,

You can call me whatever the fuck gets you off.

But you calling yourself a queen? That right thuuurrr is forever enshrined within a quote.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Boil down, and 'Liberty' can be reduced to
a. Private Propery
b. Freedom of speech

Both are anathema to Progressives, Liberals, Democrasts.



1. Some know that before it became “life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness” in our Declaration of Independence,John Locke wrote that man has a right to “life, liberty, and property.”
Property Rights Have Personal Parallels - Forbes

2. " Karl Marx describes in his communist manifesto, the ten steps necessary to destroy a free enterprise system and replace it with a system of omnipotent government power, so as to effect a communist socialist state. Those ten steps are known as theTen Planksof The Communist Manifesto…

a. Abolition of private property and the application of all rents of land to public purposes.

b. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.

c. Centralization of the means of communications and transportation in the hands of the State."
Communist Manifesto 10 Planks



3. Without admitting obeisance to Marx, this government obviates the 'private' part via taxation and regulation.
Remember the "The Anti-Capitalist Brigade..." Occupy Wall Street? http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/05/magazine/oakland-occupy-movement.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

The current Marxists reveal same with its war cry..... 'income inequality' and support for exta-legal demands with it's creation Occupy Wall Street.
And Obama and Pelosi were right there with them from the start.





4. In order to muzzle dissent, the radicals, early on, took aim at the media, and at academia. But controlling these outlets of information was not enough.

Silencing opposition voices, as any fascist program would do, became the corollary.


a. "....attempts to shut down people whose free speech interferes with other people's political agendas go on, with remarkably little notice, much less outrage. The Internal Revenue Service's targeting the tax-exempt status of conservative groups is just one of these attempts to fight political battles by shutting up the opposition, rather than answering them." The New Inquisition - Thomas Sowell - Page 1

This looks like even less than your usual nothing.

And therein we find the final judgment on your perceptive ability.

 

[-S-]

Reality is defined by actions, not words.


When you grow up....

a. you'll recognize the truth of that statement.
b. you'll be on your way to becoming a conservative.

I'll never be a conservative, in the modern sense of the word. I care about others a bit too much.
But at any rate, I'll take this random, off-topic 'lesson' on an old, familiar phrase as you admitting you have nothing more to say on the actual subject at hand. Thanks for the chat.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

You have proven you are in favor of government control of speech, property and ...

Abortion
Marriage equality
Sharia law to control the populace
Forcing people to give up their property for a pipeline that does not benefit the US
Taking from the poor to give to the rich
Believing one criminal rancher should be able to steal millions from Americans

Otherwise, you would simply have answered YES or NO.

I think PolitiChick is simply lost in the debate. It's easy to confuse your arguments when you have a dozen of them and not one of them is actually yours Go easy on her.

You've nailed it.

She asks a question but then refuses to answer it herself. Reason is simple. She believes government should control our most basic rights. Her posts consistently prove that.

Same with PredFan. He did his usual dance but would not state, unequivocally that government should not control any of the rights listed. Indeed, he stated he does not believe those are "rights".

Kudos to you for remaining civil and not getting down in the gutter with the spipes.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Oh, shut up. If this were true we would have been able to gag idiots like you six years ago.

democrats are engaged in a war against civil liberties. You have attempted to silence people repeatedly. When a movie was made that exposed Hillary Clinton as a crook, you attempted to jail people for speaking against the party and party rulers. The SCOTUS upheld the 1st Amendment, and you totalitarians STILL shriek about not being able to silence the opposition. In fact, in October of 2014, every democrat in the Senate voted to repeal the 1st Amendment.

{With House Republicans focused on legislation to boost job creation, the Senate is spending its time on an amendment to the U.S. Constitution that would repeal the First Amendment with respect to political speech. Democratic Whip Dick Durbin said before the debate even officially began: “I expect a fully partisan vote,” and he was right. So what exactly are all the Senate Democrats for and Republicans against? }

Democrats Voted to Repeal First Amendment American Commitment

Leftists are obsessed with silencing opposition messages. You sought to silence the ability of Hobby Lobby to hold religious views not assigned by the party - but again the SCOTUS smacked you down in your assault on the 1st Amendment.

Anti-liberty leftists are dedicated to ending civil rights, as we see with the forum leftists every day here.

 

[BlindBoo]

Is this thread meant to infer that Republicans are the pro-liberty party, because that's a joke.

Leftism is anti-liberty. This fact states nothing about the "Republican Party" or "tea baggers" or whatever other disingenuous and defamatory terms you bandy about. Leftists seek to infringe on the right to real property and the right to free expression. These are facts, which are not altered by your partisanship.

Most Liberal and Conservatives in this country are pro-liberty. These are facts, which are not altered by your partisanship. The governments(Federal, State, and Local) which are run by both Democrats and Republicans, are not as pro-liberty as most of the people are. Some of the policies endorsed by both parties are down right fascist even.