Democrats threaten Catholic Church for denying Biden Communion

[Magnus]

Democrats to declare war on the Catholic Church for following their own doctrine and holding politicians accountable for their public policies.

That’s sure to go over well with Hispanic voters.

House Democrat Suggests Stripping Catholic Church Of Tax-Exempt Status If Biden Denied Communion | The Daily Wire

www.dailywire.com

Did the Catholic church deny communion to the Nazis for their National Socialist genocide? I don't think so. That is why they did not come out publicly against the Holocaust. They knew that their church would be burned to the ground and all of them shot.

But facing all of the Left wing governments in the world, I think they have similar concerns with the far Left over coming out against yet another Left wing Holocaust of abortion.

My guess is that they will cave like they did in the 1940s.

Forget about the Catholic church and the Nazis...how about the Catholic church and its own priests who were guilty of child molestations?

In practically every country that has the Catholic church, there were priests who were known to the hierarchy of being guilty of molesting children. And what was their punishment? Most of them were quietly transferred to another parish to continue their molestations. Hardly any were punished.

And this is the entity that is now sitting on judgment over Catholic Democrats? Talk about hypocrisy. And the church wonders why people are leaving in droves.

Public educators are far more likely to molest children.

But silence from the all to holy left.

Do you have any proof that the Left covers up public educators molesting of kids or are you just talking out of the you-know-what?

I never said anyone covered it up. I stated a fact. I'll remind you the Church abuse was perpetuated by homosexuals hiding within the Church.

Explan this....

Sexual harassment in education in the United States - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

What is it you want me to explain? My initial point was that the Catholic church has a history of covering up children molestations of the clergy and yet, they have the gall to sit to deny holy communion for elected officials who are doing their sworn duty. You jumped in with the claim that the left is silent on child molestations from public educators.

When I challenge you to prove it, you put a link from wiki that proves no such thing. So, what is it you want me to explain?

Listen up you leftist fuckwit I've posted I was livid at the cover-up, still am but don't you for one moment think it's a Catholic Church issue...it's an issue across-the-board.

Own your own fucking side then you'll have standing

LOL. Another moron who gets hysterical when challenged to prove her wild accusations.

My bad for giving you credit and responding to your nonsense. Now, get lost.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Democrats to declare war on the Catholic Church for following their own doctrine and holding politicians accountable for their public policies.

That’s sure to go over well with Hispanic voters.

House Democrat Suggests Stripping Catholic Church Of Tax-Exempt Status If Biden Denied Communion | The Daily Wire

www.dailywire.com

Did the Catholic church deny communion to the Nazis for their National Socialist genocide? I don't think so. That is why they did not come out publicly against the Holocaust. They knew that their church would be burned to the ground and all of them shot.

But facing all of the Left wing governments in the world, I think they have similar concerns with the far Left over coming out against yet another Left wing Holocaust of abortion.

My guess is that they will cave like they did in the 1940s.

Forget about the Catholic church and the Nazis...how about the Catholic church and its own priests who were guilty of child molestations?

In practically every country that has the Catholic church, there were priests who were known to the hierarchy of being guilty of molesting children. And what was their punishment? Most of them were quietly transferred to another parish to continue their molestations. Hardly any were punished.

And this is the entity that is now sitting on judgment over Catholic Democrats? Talk about hypocrisy. And the church wonders why people are leaving in droves.

Public educators are far more likely to molest children.

But silence from the all to holy left.

Do you have any proof that the Left covers up public educators molesting of kids or are you just talking out of the you-know-what?

I never said anyone covered it up. I stated a fact. I'll remind you the Church abuse was perpetuated by homosexuals hiding within the Church.

Explan this....

Sexual harassment in education in the United States - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

What is it you want me to explain? My initial point was that the Catholic church has a history of covering up children molestations of the clergy and yet, they have the gall to sit to deny holy communion for elected officials who are doing their sworn duty. You jumped in with the claim that the left is silent on child molestations from public educators.

When I challenge you to prove it, you put a link from wiki that proves no such thing. So, what is it you want me to explain?

Listen up you leftist fuckwit I've posted I was livid at the cover-up, still am but don't you for one moment think it's a Catholic Church issue...it's an issue across-the-board.

Own your own fucking side then you'll have standing

LOL. Another moron who gets hysterical when challenged to prove her wild accusations.

My bad for giving you credit and responding to your nonsense. Now, get lost.

I'm not hysterical you dumb downed left loon

You came, I saw your ignorance on the topic.

Now you get lost Minuscule. Cripes you loons are fucking stupid... it's why you're losers

By the way I provided a link...you just blabbered....and ya know what? Stay away from children

 

[Richard-H]

Why does pedophiles in the RCC surprise anyone?

The upper levels of the RCC are descended from the Roman Emporers and the Roman Senate.

The lower levels of the RCC have been a safe haven for all those who have non-conformist sexual tendencies.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Why does pedophiles in the RCC surprise anyone?

The upper levels of the RCC are descended from the Roman Emporers and the Roman Senate.

The lower levels of the RCC have been a safe haven for all those who have non-conformist sexual tendencies.

That's stupid

 

[Richard-H]

Why does pedophiles in the RCC surprise anyone?

The upper levels of the RCC are descended from the Roman Emporers and the Roman Senate.

The lower levels of the RCC have been a safe haven for all those who have non-conformist sexual tendencies.

That's stupid

Maybe you need to open your eyes and see the RCC for what it really is,

When you see all those priests & Bishops in their florid robes marching in procession, have you ever thought to yourself:

Holy crap - that's so GAY!!!!

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Why does pedophiles in the RCC surprise anyone?

The upper levels of the RCC are descended from the Roman Emporers and the Roman Senate.

The lower levels of the RCC have been a safe haven for all those who have non-conformist sexual tendencies.

That's stupid

Maybe you need to open your eyes and see the RCC for what it really is,

When you see all those priests & Bishops in their florid robes marching in procession, have you ever thought to yourself:

Holy crap - that's so GAY!!!!

Gays hiding in the Church abused little boys.

I'll wait, "Dick"

 

[MisterBeale]

Democrats to declare war on the Catholic Church for following their own doctrine and holding politicians accountable for their public policies.

That’s sure to go over well with Hispanic voters.

House Democrat Suggests Stripping Catholic Church Of Tax-Exempt Status If Biden Denied Communion | The Daily Wire

www.dailywire.com

If any religious entity wants to meddle in politics and/or target politicians who are enacting secular laws, then it is time they lose their religious designation and have to pay taxes just like the rest of us.

What part of that is difficult to understand?

Bullshit.

It is the job of religious entities to point out the corruption and sin in our system. . .

That is why we have the first Amendment.

You let the government attack religion for telling the people that truth? It becomes a war between Church and State.

Funny. You've hit upon one of my biggest gripes with the belief system known as Conservatism. That belief system does not stem and flow from a belief in The Constitution or the rule of law,
but from a fundamental belief in God. Attack religion for telling people the truth????? Whose truth? The founding fathers specifically wanted Church and State separated. Conservatives have
been trying to blur that separation for decades. I don't need a bible thumper to point out corruption in our system. And sin?...well, that's a matter of who you'd rather laugh or cry with.

You can't separate the two if the State is taxing the Church.

In what fantasy world of yours? A levied tax?..creates the wall. After the tax is levied, the church can decide if they want to contribute to a political organization.
My guess is that most probably wouldn't. That tax exempt status?...is a nice way to contribute and influence politics and keep that separation as blurred as possible.

I have been to Open Secrets many many times.

Never have I seen any Churches, Synagogues, Temples, or religious denominations listed as donors.

Get out of here with your bullshit now.

If the State is taking resources from religious organizations, there is no wall, the State is interfering with the operations of religious organizations by draining their operating revenue and putting it toward goals to which the religious organization might not approve, i.e. killing innocent folks overseas for some corporate agenda.

I thought you were a little more worldly wise. There are many ways a religious organization can get around being "listed" as a donor.

Freedom From Religion Foundation - Outreach & Events

The nonprofit Freedom From Religion Foundation works to educate the public on matters relating to nontheism, and to promote the constitutional principle of separation between church and state.

ffrf.org

. . . this is the argument and discussion we have been having, yes.

And I have been trying to tell you, all of that activity, the founders WANTED churches to participate in, and they WANTED them to remain unmolested by the government.

Now comes to Johnson. . . He helped pass that law, only as a weapon, and that is only how it is used. If you support that? Then you are a no good anti-American piece of garbage, that is all there is to it. And no, I am not talking about any one particular religion, there are many different religions, for many different POV. They all contribute something good to this nation. If you want them taxed for holding the elite of this nation accountable, you aren't fit to be called an American.


REGENT UNIVERSITY LAW REVIEW

https://www.regent.edu/acad/schlaw/student_life/studentorgs/lawreview/docs/issues/v24n2/01Stanleyvol.24.2.pdf

". . . Even the Supreme Court has acknowledged that church tax exemption is part of an “unbroken” history in the United States that “covers our entire national existence and indeed predates it.”18The Court has also recognized that church non-taxation is under girded by “more than 200 years of virtually universal practice imbedded in our colonial experience and continuing into the present.”19Churches were considered exempt from taxation during the colonial period.20The very first federal level income taxes also contained an exemption for churches.21After the adoption of the Sixteenth Amendment in 1913, which allowed Congress to levy income taxes,22the Revenue Act of that same year contained an exemption for churches.23And every iteration of the federal income tax code from that time has contained an exemption for churches.24 As Justice Brennan declared in Walz, “Rarely if ever has this Court considered the constitutionality of a practice for which the historical support is so overwhelming.”25. . . "

<snip>


". . . George Reedy, Johnson’s chief aide in 1954,was once interviewed about the events surrounding the passage of the Johnson Amendment.Reedy admitted that Johnson was “very thin-skinned” and that it was quite plausible Johnson moved for the Amendment to the tax code in response to his political adversaries.58Reedy added, however, his personal opinion that “Johnson would never have sought restrictions on religious organizations.”59 After reviewing the history of the Johnson Amendment in the context of the “highly-charged political environment” of Johnson’s reelection campaign of 1954, one scholar observed, The ban on electioneering is not rooted in constitutional provisions for separation of church and state. It actually goes back to 1954 when Congress was revising the tax code, anti-communism was in full bloom, and elections were taking place in Texas. . . . Johnson was not trying to address any constitutional issue related to separation of church and state; and he did not offer the amendment because of anything that churches had done. Churches were not banned from endorsing candidates because they are religious organizations; they were banned because they have the same tax-exempt status as Facts Forum and the Committee for Constitutional Government, the right-wing organizations that Johnson was really after.60The same scholar then bluntly concluded, “The ban on electioneering has nothing to do with the First Amendment or Jeffersonian principles of separation of church and state.”61. . "

(page 247)

 

[Magnus]

Democrats to declare war on the Catholic Church for following their own doctrine and holding politicians accountable for their public policies.

That’s sure to go over well with Hispanic voters.

House Democrat Suggests Stripping Catholic Church Of Tax-Exempt Status If Biden Denied Communion | The Daily Wire

www.dailywire.com

Did the Catholic church deny communion to the Nazis for their National Socialist genocide? I don't think so. That is why they did not come out publicly against the Holocaust. They knew that their church would be burned to the ground and all of them shot.

But facing all of the Left wing governments in the world, I think they have similar concerns with the far Left over coming out against yet another Left wing Holocaust of abortion.

My guess is that they will cave like they did in the 1940s.

Forget about the Catholic church and the Nazis...how about the Catholic church and its own priests who were guilty of child molestations?

In practically every country that has the Catholic church, there were priests who were known to the hierarchy of being guilty of molesting children. And what was their punishment? Most of them were quietly transferred to another parish to continue their molestations. Hardly any were punished.

And this is the entity that is now sitting on judgment over Catholic Democrats? Talk about hypocrisy. And the church wonders why people are leaving in droves.

Public educators are far more likely to molest children.

But silence from the all to holy left.

Do you have any proof that the Left covers up public educators molesting of kids or are you just talking out of the you-know-what?

I never said anyone covered it up. I stated a fact. I'll remind you the Church abuse was perpetuated by homosexuals hiding within the Church.

Explan this....

Sexual harassment in education in the United States - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

What is it you want me to explain? My initial point was that the Catholic church has a history of covering up children molestations of the clergy and yet, they have the gall to sit to deny holy communion for elected officials who are doing their sworn duty. You jumped in with the claim that the left is silent on child molestations from public educators.

When I challenge you to prove it, you put a link from wiki that proves no such thing. So, what is it you want me to explain?

Listen up you leftist fuckwit I've posted I was livid at the cover-up, still am but don't you for one moment think it's a Catholic Church issue...it's an issue across-the-board.

Own your own fucking side then you'll have standing

LOL. Another moron who gets hysterical when challenged to prove her wild accusations.

My bad for giving you credit and responding to your nonsense. Now, get lost.

I'm not hysterical you dumb downed left loon

You came, I saw your ignorance on the topic.

Now you get lost Minuscule. Cripes you loons are fucking stupid... it's why you're losers

By the way I provided a link...you just blabbered....and ya know what? Stay away from children

Tone down the hysterics, moron. That may impress the wing-nuts you hang out with but here it is just tiresome,

Next time, think before posting. Because I will challenge you and no fake hysterical outbursts are going to scare me. Get it? Now get lost, punk. Don't waste my time.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Democrats to declare war on the Catholic Church for following their own doctrine and holding politicians accountable for their public policies.

That’s sure to go over well with Hispanic voters.

House Democrat Suggests Stripping Catholic Church Of Tax-Exempt Status If Biden Denied Communion | The Daily Wire

www.dailywire.com

Did the Catholic church deny communion to the Nazis for their National Socialist genocide? I don't think so. That is why they did not come out publicly against the Holocaust. They knew that their church would be burned to the ground and all of them shot.

But facing all of the Left wing governments in the world, I think they have similar concerns with the far Left over coming out against yet another Left wing Holocaust of abortion.

My guess is that they will cave like they did in the 1940s.

Forget about the Catholic church and the Nazis...how about the Catholic church and its own priests who were guilty of child molestations?

In practically every country that has the Catholic church, there were priests who were known to the hierarchy of being guilty of molesting children. And what was their punishment? Most of them were quietly transferred to another parish to continue their molestations. Hardly any were punished.

And this is the entity that is now sitting on judgment over Catholic Democrats? Talk about hypocrisy. And the church wonders why people are leaving in droves.

Public educators are far more likely to molest children.

But silence from the all to holy left.

Do you have any proof that the Left covers up public educators molesting of kids or are you just talking out of the you-know-what?

I never said anyone covered it up. I stated a fact. I'll remind you the Church abuse was perpetuated by homosexuals hiding within the Church.

Explan this....

Sexual harassment in education in the United States - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

What is it you want me to explain? My initial point was that the Catholic church has a history of covering up children molestations of the clergy and yet, they have the gall to sit to deny holy communion for elected officials who are doing their sworn duty. You jumped in with the claim that the left is silent on child molestations from public educators.

When I challenge you to prove it, you put a link from wiki that proves no such thing. So, what is it you want me to explain?

Listen up you leftist fuckwit I've posted I was livid at the cover-up, still am but don't you for one moment think it's a Catholic Church issue...it's an issue across-the-board.

Own your own fucking side then you'll have standing

LOL. Another moron who gets hysterical when challenged to prove her wild accusations.

My bad for giving you credit and responding to your nonsense. Now, get lost.

I'm not hysterical you dumb downed left loon

You came, I saw your ignorance on the topic.

Now you get lost Minuscule. Cripes you loons are fucking stupid... it's why you're losers

By the way I provided a link...you just blabbered....and ya know what? Stay away from children

Tone down the hysterics, moron. That may impress the wing-nuts you hang out with but here it is just tiresome,

Next time, think before posting. Because I will challenge you and no fake hysterical outbursts are going to scare me. Get it? Now get lost, punk. Don't waste my time.

Go fuck yourself. I'm weary of you left loons trying to mouth off and trying to be condescending without one of iota of proof? Do your own research and cease relying on the MS

Understand that asshole. Understand? You're nothing, learn it then live it. Got it?

 

[hadit]

Democrats to declare war on the Catholic Church for following their own doctrine and holding politicians accountable for their public policies.

That’s sure to go over well with Hispanic voters.

House Democrat Suggests Stripping Catholic Church Of Tax-Exempt Status If Biden Denied Communion | The Daily Wire

www.dailywire.com

Do you blame them.

I was never asked my name when I received the host. For all they care I could of been a serial killer that tortured many children before I killed them.

Maybe they should have. The priest who took your confession could have told them to deny you until you did penance. In this case, however, Quid Pro is a well known person who deliberately and steadfastly refuses to follow Church doctrine and has voted for and supported legislation that the Church disagrees with. There is no good reason why he should be allowed to participate.

 

[kaz]

They should be stripped of that anyway. The church as an entity.
I believe orgs like Catholic Charities and the Sisters of Mercy will be OK.

Unions should be stripped of their tax exemption for the same reason

 

[kaz]

They should be stripped of that anyway. The church as an entity.
I believe orgs like Catholic Charities and the Sisters of Mercy will be OK.

Can't tax religion, it's unconstitutional. It violates the First Amendment, sorry.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances

Hypothetically? It would pose an undue burden on new religions, favoring established well off denominations of Protestantism, Judaism, and Catholicism .. . . which would, by default, amount to the state sanctioning those as establishment religions.

Taxing religion interferes with the "free exercise thereof." Sorry godless atheist. . . YOU ARE SHIT OUT OF LUCK.

they all should be taxed.

If you believe so?

Then start a petition to repeal the first Amendment.

I missed the part of the first amendment that says religions are tax exempt, can you point me to that part?

 

[JackOfNoTrades]

Democrats to declare war on the Catholic Church for following their own doctrine and holding politicians accountable for their public policies.

That’s sure to go over well with Hispanic voters.

House Democrat Suggests Stripping Catholic Church Of Tax-Exempt Status If Biden Denied Communion | The Daily Wire

www.dailywire.com

If any religious entity wants to meddle in politics and/or target politicians who are enacting secular laws, then it is time they lose their religious designation and have to pay taxes just like the rest of us.

What part of that is difficult to understand?

Bullshit.

It is the job of religious entities to point out the corruption and sin in our system. . .

That is why we have the first Amendment.

You let the government attack religion for telling the people that truth? It becomes a war between Church and State.

Funny. You've hit upon one of my biggest gripes with the belief system known as Conservatism. That belief system does not stem and flow from a belief in The Constitution or the rule of law,
but from a fundamental belief in God. Attack religion for telling people the truth????? Whose truth? The founding fathers specifically wanted Church and State separated. Conservatives have
been trying to blur that separation for decades. I don't need a bible thumper to point out corruption in our system. And sin?...well, that's a matter of who you'd rather laugh or cry with.

You can't separate the two if the State is taxing the Church.

In what fantasy world of yours? A levied tax?..creates the wall. After the tax is levied, the church can decide if they want to contribute to a political organization.
My guess is that most probably wouldn't. That tax exempt status?...is a nice way to contribute and influence politics and keep that separation as blurred as possible.

I have been to Open Secrets many many times.

Never have I seen any Churches, Synagogues, Temples, or religious denominations listed as donors.

Get out of here with your bullshit now.

If the State is taking resources from religious organizations, there is no wall, the State is interfering with the operations of religious organizations by draining their operating revenue and putting it toward goals to which the religious organization might not approve, i.e. killing innocent folks overseas for some corporate agenda.

I thought you were a little more worldly wise. There are many ways a religious organization can get around being "listed" as a donor.

Freedom From Religion Foundation - Outreach & Events

The nonprofit Freedom From Religion Foundation works to educate the public on matters relating to nontheism, and to promote the constitutional principle of separation between church and state.

ffrf.org

. . . this is the argument and discussion we have been having, yes.

And I have been trying to tell you, all of that activity, the founders WANTED churches to participate in, and they WANTED them to remain unmolested by the government.

Now comes to Johnson. . . He helped pass that law, only as a weapon, and that is only how it is used. If you support that? Then you are a no good anti-American piece of garbage, that is all there is to it. And no, I am not talking about any one particular religion, there are many different religions, for many different POV. They all contribute something good to this nation. If you want them taxed for holding the elite of this nation accountable, you aren't fit to be called an American.


REGENT UNIVERSITY LAW REVIEW

https://www.regent.edu/acad/schlaw/student_life/studentorgs/lawreview/docs/issues/v24n2/01Stanleyvol.24.2.pdf

". . . Even the Supreme Court has acknowledged that church tax exemption is part of an “unbroken” history in the United States that “covers our entire national existence and indeed predates it.”18The Court has also recognized that church non-taxation is under girded by “more than 200 years of virtually universal practice imbedded in our colonial experience and continuing into the present.”19Churches were considered exempt from taxation during the colonial period.20The very first federal level income taxes also contained an exemption for churches.21After the adoption of the Sixteenth Amendment in 1913, which allowed Congress to levy income taxes,22the Revenue Act of that same year contained an exemption for churches.23And every iteration of the federal income tax code from that time has contained an exemption for churches.24 As Justice Brennan declared in Walz, “Rarely if ever has this Court considered the constitutionality of a practice for which the historical support is so overwhelming.”25. . . "

<snip>


". . . George Reedy, Johnson’s chief aide in 1954,was once interviewed about the events surrounding the passage of the Johnson Amendment.Reedy admitted that Johnson was “very thin-skinned” and that it was quite plausible Johnson moved for the Amendment to the tax code in response to his political adversaries.58Reedy added, however, his personal opinion that “Johnson would never have sought restrictions on religious organizations.”59 After reviewing the history of the Johnson Amendment in the context of the “highly-charged political environment” of Johnson’s reelection campaign of 1954, one scholar observed, The ban on electioneering is not rooted in constitutional provisions for separation of church and state. It actually goes back to 1954 when Congress was revising the tax code, anti-communism was in full bloom, and elections were taking place in Texas. . . . Johnson was not trying to address any constitutional issue related to separation of church and state; and he did not offer the amendment because of anything that churches had done. Churches were not banned from endorsing candidates because they are religious organizations; they were banned because they have the same tax-exempt status as Facts Forum and the Committee for Constitutional Government, the right-wing organizations that Johnson was really after.60The same scholar then bluntly concluded, “The ban on electioneering has nothing to do with the First Amendment or Jeffersonian principles of separation of church and state.”61. . "

(page 247)

You forgot Part 2 here. The founders wanted government to remain unmolested by the church. And that is the line that is blurred by offering tax exempt status, it removes that wall of separation. It allows the church unfettered access to influence politics.
The church is not the arbiter of morality for the government or the elite. Don't even try to sell that. Whether they contribute any good (as an organization, not a charity) is a matter of opinion. I don't care about opinion or belief. You don't hear me griping about orgs like Catholic Charities. Churches belong being taxed. If you don't like that..tough. You are trying to apply a religious and moral argument to a separation of church and state. Your belief is influenced by your faith and belief. Everything the founders feared happening.

 

[Richard-H]

Why does pedophiles in the RCC surprise anyone?

The upper levels of the RCC are descended from the Roman Emporers and the Roman Senate.

The lower levels of the RCC have been a safe haven for all those who have non-conformist sexual tendencies.

That's stupid

Maybe you need to open your eyes and see the RCC for what it really is,

When you see all those priests & Bishops in their florid robes marching in procession, have you ever thought to yourself:

Holy crap - that's so GAY!!!!

Gays hiding in the Church abused little boys.

I'll wait, "Dick"

You seem to be saying that you're waiting for some gay dick to abuse you, little boy!

Lemme guess, you're Roman Catholic.....

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Democrats to declare war on the Catholic Church for following their own doctrine and holding politicians accountable for their public policies.

That’s sure to go over well with Hispanic voters.

House Democrat Suggests Stripping Catholic Church Of Tax-Exempt Status If Biden Denied Communion | The Daily Wire

www.dailywire.com

If any religious entity wants to meddle in politics and/or target politicians who are enacting secular laws, then it is time they lose their religious designation and have to pay taxes just like the rest of us.

What part of that is difficult to understand?

Bullshit.

It is the job of religious entities to point out the corruption and sin in our system. . .

That is why we have the first Amendment.

You let the government attack religion for telling the people that truth? It becomes a war between Church and State.

Funny. You've hit upon one of my biggest gripes with the belief system known as Conservatism. That belief system does not stem and flow from a belief in The Constitution or the rule of law,
but from a fundamental belief in God. Attack religion for telling people the truth????? Whose truth? The founding fathers specifically wanted Church and State separated. Conservatives have
been trying to blur that separation for decades. I don't need a bible thumper to point out corruption in our system. And sin?...well, that's a matter of who you'd rather laugh or cry with.

You can't separate the two if the State is taxing the Church.

In what fantasy world of yours? A levied tax?..creates the wall. After the tax is levied, the church can decide if they want to contribute to a political organization.
My guess is that most probably wouldn't. That tax exempt status?...is a nice way to contribute and influence politics and keep that separation as blurred as possible.

I have been to Open Secrets many many times.

Never have I seen any Churches, Synagogues, Temples, or religious denominations listed as donors.

Get out of here with your bullshit now.

If the State is taking resources from religious organizations, there is no wall, the State is interfering with the operations of religious organizations by draining their operating revenue and putting it toward goals to which the religious organization might not approve, i.e. killing innocent folks overseas for some corporate agenda.

I thought you were a little more worldly wise. There are many ways a religious organization can get around being "listed" as a donor.

Freedom From Religion Foundation - Outreach & Events

The nonprofit Freedom From Religion Foundation works to educate the public on matters relating to nontheism, and to promote the constitutional principle of separation between church and state.

ffrf.org

. . . this is the argument and discussion we have been having, yes.

And I have been trying to tell you, all of that activity, the founders WANTED churches to participate in, and they WANTED them to remain unmolested by the government.

Now comes to Johnson. . . He helped pass that law, only as a weapon, and that is only how it is used. If you support that? Then you are a no good anti-American piece of garbage, that is all there is to it. And no, I am not talking about any one particular religion, there are many different religions, for many different POV. They all contribute something good to this nation. If you want them taxed for holding the elite of this nation accountable, you aren't fit to be called an American.


REGENT UNIVERSITY LAW REVIEW

https://www.regent.edu/acad/schlaw/student_life/studentorgs/lawreview/docs/issues/v24n2/01Stanleyvol.24.2.pdf

". . . Even the Supreme Court has acknowledged that church tax exemption is part of an “unbroken” history in the United States that “covers our entire national existence and indeed predates it.”18The Court has also recognized that church non-taxation is under girded by “more than 200 years of virtually universal practice imbedded in our colonial experience and continuing into the present.”19Churches were considered exempt from taxation during the colonial period.20The very first federal level income taxes also contained an exemption for churches.21After the adoption of the Sixteenth Amendment in 1913, which allowed Congress to levy income taxes,22the Revenue Act of that same year contained an exemption for churches.23And every iteration of the federal income tax code from that time has contained an exemption for churches.24 As Justice Brennan declared in Walz, “Rarely if ever has this Court considered the constitutionality of a practice for which the historical support is so overwhelming.”25. . . "

<snip>


". . . George Reedy, Johnson’s chief aide in 1954,was once interviewed about the events surrounding the passage of the Johnson Amendment.Reedy admitted that Johnson was “very thin-skinned” and that it was quite plausible Johnson moved for the Amendment to the tax code in response to his political adversaries.58Reedy added, however, his personal opinion that “Johnson would never have sought restrictions on religious organizations.”59 After reviewing the history of the Johnson Amendment in the context of the “highly-charged political environment” of Johnson’s reelection campaign of 1954, one scholar observed, The ban on electioneering is not rooted in constitutional provisions for separation of church and state. It actually goes back to 1954 when Congress was revising the tax code, anti-communism was in full bloom, and elections were taking place in Texas. . . . Johnson was not trying to address any constitutional issue related to separation of church and state; and he did not offer the amendment because of anything that churches had done. Churches were not banned from endorsing candidates because they are religious organizations; they were banned because they have the same tax-exempt status as Facts Forum and the Committee for Constitutional Government, the right-wing organizations that Johnson was really after.60The same scholar then bluntly concluded, “The ban on electioneering has nothing to do with the First Amendment or Jeffersonian principles of separation of church and state.”61. . "

(page 247)

You forgot Part 2 here. The founders wanted government to remain unmolested by the church. And that is the line that is blurred by offering tax exempt status, it removes that wall of separation. It allows the church unfettered access to influence politics.
The church is not the arbiter of morality for the government or the elite. Don't even try to sell that. Whether they contribute any good (as an organization, not a charity) is a matter of opinion. I don't care about opinion or belief. You don't hear me griping about orgs like Catholic Charities. Churches belong being taxed. If you don't like that..tough. You are trying to apply a religious and moral argument to a separation of church and state. Your belief is influenced by your faith and belief. Everything the founders feared happening.

Bullshit

 

[kaz]

Why does pedophiles in the RCC surprise anyone?

The upper levels of the RCC are descended from the Roman Emporers and the Roman Senate.

The lower levels of the RCC have been a safe haven for all those who have non-conformist sexual tendencies.

That's stupid

Maybe you need to open your eyes and see the RCC for what it really is,

When you see all those priests & Bishops in their florid robes marching in procession, have you ever thought to yourself:

Holy crap - that's so GAY!!!!

Gays hiding in the Church abused little boys.

I'll wait, "Dick"

You seem to be saying that you're waiting for some gay dick to abuse you, little boy!

Lemme guess, you're Roman Catholic.....

You're a moron

 

[Magnus]

Democrats to declare war on the Catholic Church for following their own doctrine and holding politicians accountable for their public policies.

That’s sure to go over well with Hispanic voters.

House Democrat Suggests Stripping Catholic Church Of Tax-Exempt Status If Biden Denied Communion | The Daily Wire

www.dailywire.com

Did the Catholic church deny communion to the Nazis for their National Socialist genocide? I don't think so. That is why they did not come out publicly against the Holocaust. They knew that their church would be burned to the ground and all of them shot.

But facing all of the Left wing governments in the world, I think they have similar concerns with the far Left over coming out against yet another Left wing Holocaust of abortion.

My guess is that they will cave like they did in the 1940s.

Forget about the Catholic church and the Nazis...how about the Catholic church and its own priests who were guilty of child molestations?

In practically every country that has the Catholic church, there were priests who were known to the hierarchy of being guilty of molesting children. And what was their punishment? Most of them were quietly transferred to another parish to continue their molestations. Hardly any were punished.

And this is the entity that is now sitting on judgment over Catholic Democrats? Talk about hypocrisy. And the church wonders why people are leaving in droves.

Public educators are far more likely to molest children.

But silence from the all to holy left.

Do you have any proof that the Left covers up public educators molesting of kids or are you just talking out of the you-know-what?

I never said anyone covered it up. I stated a fact. I'll remind you the Church abuse was perpetuated by homosexuals hiding within the Church.

Explan this....

Sexual harassment in education in the United States - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

What is it you want me to explain? My initial point was that the Catholic church has a history of covering up children molestations of the clergy and yet, they have the gall to sit to deny holy communion for elected officials who are doing their sworn duty. You jumped in with the claim that the left is silent on child molestations from public educators.

When I challenge you to prove it, you put a link from wiki that proves no such thing. So, what is it you want me to explain?

Listen up you leftist fuckwit I've posted I was livid at the cover-up, still am but don't you for one moment think it's a Catholic Church issue...it's an issue across-the-board.

Own your own fucking side then you'll have standing

LOL. Another moron who gets hysterical when challenged to prove her wild accusations.

My bad for giving you credit and responding to your nonsense. Now, get lost.

I'm not hysterical you dumb downed left loon

You came, I saw your ignorance on the topic.

Now you get lost Minuscule. Cripes you loons are fucking stupid... it's why you're losers

By the way I provided a link...you just blabbered....and ya know what? Stay away from children

Tone down the hysterics, moron. That may impress the wing-nuts you hang out with but here it is just tiresome,

Next time, think before posting. Because I will challenge you and no fake hysterical outbursts are going to scare me. Get it? Now get lost, punk. Don't waste my time.

Go fuck yourself. I'm weary of you left loons trying to mouth off and trying to be condescending without one of iota of proof? Do your own research and cease relying on the MS

Understand that asshole. Understand? You're nothing, learn it then live it. Got it?

LOL. Poor trumpturd. Tried to pass off a link and got caught. Keep getting hysterical. Still does not change the fact that you got called out.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Why does pedophiles in the RCC surprise anyone?

The upper levels of the RCC are descended from the Roman Emporers and the Roman Senate.

The lower levels of the RCC have been a safe haven for all those who have non-conformist sexual tendencies.

That's stupid

Maybe you need to open your eyes and see the RCC for what it really is,

When you see all those priests & Bishops in their florid robes marching in procession, have you ever thought to yourself:

Holy crap - that's so GAY!!!!

Maybe you need to stop....."dick"

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Democrats to declare war on the Catholic Church for following their own doctrine and holding politicians accountable for their public policies.

That’s sure to go over well with Hispanic voters.

House Democrat Suggests Stripping Catholic Church Of Tax-Exempt Status If Biden Denied Communion | The Daily Wire

www.dailywire.com

Did the Catholic church deny communion to the Nazis for their National Socialist genocide? I don't think so. That is why they did not come out publicly against the Holocaust. They knew that their church would be burned to the ground and all of them shot.

But facing all of the Left wing governments in the world, I think they have similar concerns with the far Left over coming out against yet another Left wing Holocaust of abortion.

My guess is that they will cave like they did in the 1940s.

Forget about the Catholic church and the Nazis...how about the Catholic church and its own priests who were guilty of child molestations?

In practically every country that has the Catholic church, there were priests who were known to the hierarchy of being guilty of molesting children. And what was their punishment? Most of them were quietly transferred to another parish to continue their molestations. Hardly any were punished.

And this is the entity that is now sitting on judgment over Catholic Democrats? Talk about hypocrisy. And the church wonders why people are leaving in droves.

Public educators are far more likely to molest children.

But silence from the all to holy left.

Do you have any proof that the Left covers up public educators molesting of kids or are you just talking out of the you-know-what?

I never said anyone covered it up. I stated a fact. I'll remind you the Church abuse was perpetuated by homosexuals hiding within the Church.

Explan this....

Sexual harassment in education in the United States - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

What is it you want me to explain? My initial point was that the Catholic church has a history of covering up children molestations of the clergy and yet, they have the gall to sit to deny holy communion for elected officials who are doing their sworn duty. You jumped in with the claim that the left is silent on child molestations from public educators.

When I challenge you to prove it, you put a link from wiki that proves no such thing. So, what is it you want me to explain?

Listen up you leftist fuckwit I've posted I was livid at the cover-up, still am but don't you for one moment think it's a Catholic Church issue...it's an issue across-the-board.

Own your own fucking side then you'll have standing

LOL. Another moron who gets hysterical when challenged to prove her wild accusations.

My bad for giving you credit and responding to your nonsense. Now, get lost.

I'm not hysterical you dumb downed left loon

You came, I saw your ignorance on the topic.

Now you get lost Minuscule. Cripes you loons are fucking stupid... it's why you're losers

By the way I provided a link...you just blabbered....and ya know what? Stay away from children

Tone down the hysterics, moron. That may impress the wing-nuts you hang out with but here it is just tiresome,

Next time, think before posting. Because I will challenge you and no fake hysterical outbursts are going to scare me. Get it? Now get lost, punk. Don't waste my time.

Go fuck yourself. I'm weary of you left loons trying to mouth off and trying to be condescending without one of iota of proof? Do your own research and cease relying on the MS

Understand that asshole. Understand? You're nothing, learn it then live it. Got it?

LOL. Poor trumpturd. Tried to pass off a link and got caught. Keep getting hysterical. Still does not change the fact that you got called out.

I never got caught, you just blabbered.

You're worthless and weak. Go talk to "dick" about gay priests....you seem infactuated over them.....why? Lol

 

[Penelope]

Democrats to declare war on the Catholic Church for following their own doctrine and holding politicians accountable for their public policies.

That’s sure to go over well with Hispanic voters.

House Democrat Suggests Stripping Catholic Church Of Tax-Exempt Status If Biden Denied Communion | The Daily Wire

www.dailywire.com

Do you blame them.

I was never asked my name when I received the host. For all they care I could of been a serial killer that tortured many children before I killed them.

Maybe they should have. The priest who took your confession could have told them to deny you until you did penance. In this case, however, Quid Pro is a well known person who deliberately and steadfastly refuses to follow Church doctrine and has voted for and supported legislation that the Church disagrees with. There is no good reason why he should be allowed to participate.

I disagree, it a civil issue and like I said everyone knows him, me no one knows me.