Dems begin to panic as Trump set to transform federal judiciary

[frigidweirdo]

Yes, they do. I'm not talking about the right ripping the US apart here, I'm talking about partisan politics ripping the US apart, partisan left and partisan right doing everything they can to win, win, WIN. Who gives a fuck about anything else? Education? Nah, it's just a tool for winning.

Education is just one of the many things Democrats wish to fund at the cost of the taxpayer.

But we do fund education. In fact, we spend more per capita than any other industrialized nation in the world. In spite of having mediocre results, the Democrat policy is to spend even more. The definition of insanity is...............

My point was that both sides us education as a tool to "win", rather than using it as a method of improving society. The Republicans aren't better than the Democrats.

I follow politics pretty closely and I don't recall any Republican calling for more school spending. I've heard of reform, I've heard them talk about getting rid of the teachers union, but not just throwing money at the problem as a solution.

Okay, and what does this have to do with what I'm talking about?

As far as I can tell I've heard many prominent Republicans talk about school vouchers. And we've had this discussion, haven't we? Remember the one where you started harping on about choice? About how choice is the most important thing? How choice is so fucking good it could make you wet yourself? And then we spoke about electoral reform and you didn't want choice because choice isn't good, it's bad, it's so bad it'll make you wet yourself? Remember that one? I do.

The whole point of school vouchers isn't choice, it's funneling money out of education and back into the pockets of rich people who, apparently, need the money.

Now, the Republicans are talking about getting rid of school unions, not to improve education, but to make it cheaper, so they can give the money to rich people instead of teachers. Yeah. I know that one too.

Don't try and bullshit me pretending that the Republican Party in the main wants to "improve" education. yes, they want to "improve" education in their own vision, which is cheaper and doesn't provide a threat to their private school educated children.

Vouchers are given to poor people who cannot afford private school themselves. Yes, it is taking it out of the system, but putting it back into the system, just in a different location. Republicans are not "funneling" the money anywhere. The parent gets to choose which school their chid will attend, and that includes public schools.

And that's not throwing more money at the problem. Yes, getting rid of the unions would help education because tenured teachers would not have a guaranteed job as long as they show up for work in the morning. It's one of the reasons unions failed in the private sector; businesses were forced to keep bad workers employed because they had union protection. Without unions, schools would have the freedom to get rid of unproductive teachers and replace them with more productive teachers.

Except there are many cases of vouchers going mainly to private school kids.

But again, you've spoken about "choice" and I've basically said you're not interested in choice, the Republicans aren't interested in choice, and yet you're brought up the same parroting crap you brought up last time.

Yes, I agree that the unions right now are causing problems. But that doesn't mean you can just get rid of teaching unions. Teachers are real people who demand to be treated in a certain way. Get rid of the unions and they'd be on fucking minimum wage if the Republicans thought they could fucking get away with it, and you know it.

The problem isn't necessarily the unions, the problem is a system which doesn't give a fuck about education and the political parties aren't doing what they can to change that, so unions become combative and then you get the same problems in education as you get right the way through the rotten political system. But hey Ray, I'm talking to someone who likes the rotten political system.

 

[danielpalos]

Thank goodness for the federal doctrine and not the democrat or republican doctrine.

 

[JoeMoma]

Uh huh.
Most Judges, unless they are totally partisan or incompetent, follow the law.Not including Roy Moore.
This is regardless of who appointed them The same STUPID remarks (DEMS PANIC) were seen under Reagan, and both Bush's.
It's just dumb my friend.
The US Constitution is what it is, says what it says.To imagine the Judiciary is going to adopt nutcase fundy christian or internet rightie "ideas" or "theories" is ridiculous, as is your post.
It REALLY makes me laugh when righties whine about an activist, liberal judge................that was appointed by Ronald Reagan.

"Most Judges, unless they are totally partisan or incompetent...", well there it is. And yes, some of Reagan's appointees fall into that categorie.

 

[JoeMoma]

Education is just one of the many things Democrats wish to fund at the cost of the taxpayer.

But we do fund education. In fact, we spend more per capita than any other industrialized nation in the world. In spite of having mediocre results, the Democrat policy is to spend even more. The definition of insanity is...............

My point was that both sides us education as a tool to "win", rather than using it as a method of improving society. The Republicans aren't better than the Democrats.

I follow politics pretty closely and I don't recall any Republican calling for more school spending. I've heard of reform, I've heard them talk about getting rid of the teachers union, but not just throwing money at the problem as a solution.

Okay, and what does this have to do with what I'm talking about?

As far as I can tell I've heard many prominent Republicans talk about school vouchers. And we've had this discussion, haven't we? Remember the one where you started harping on about choice? About how choice is the most important thing? How choice is so fucking good it could make you wet yourself? And then we spoke about electoral reform and you didn't want choice because choice isn't good, it's bad, it's so bad it'll make you wet yourself? Remember that one? I do.

The whole point of school vouchers isn't choice, it's funneling money out of education and back into the pockets of rich people who, apparently, need the money.

Now, the Republicans are talking about getting rid of school unions, not to improve education, but to make it cheaper, so they can give the money to rich people instead of teachers. Yeah. I know that one too.

Don't try and bullshit me pretending that the Republican Party in the main wants to "improve" education. yes, they want to "improve" education in their own vision, which is cheaper and doesn't provide a threat to their private school educated children.

Vouchers are given to poor people who cannot afford private school themselves. Yes, it is taking it out of the system, but putting it back into the system, just in a different location. Republicans are not "funneling" the money anywhere. The parent gets to choose which school their chid will attend, and that includes public schools.

And that's not throwing more money at the problem. Yes, getting rid of the unions would help education because tenured teachers would not have a guaranteed job as long as they show up for work in the morning. It's one of the reasons unions failed in the private sector; businesses were forced to keep bad workers employed because they had union protection. Without unions, schools would have the freedom to get rid of unproductive teachers and replace them with more productive teachers.

Except there are many cases of vouchers going mainly to private school kids.

But again, you've spoken about "choice" and I've basically said you're not interested in choice, the Republicans aren't interested in choice, and yet you're brought up the same parroting crap you brought up last time.

Yes, I agree that the unions right now are causing problems. But that doesn't mean you can just get rid of teaching unions. Teachers are real people who demand to be treated in a certain way. Get rid of the unions and they'd be on fucking minimum wage if the Republicans thought they could fucking get away with it, and you know it.

The problem isn't necessarily the unions, the problem is a system which doesn't give a fuck about education and the political parties aren't doing what they can to change that, so unions become combative and then you get the same problems in education as you get right the way through the rotten political system. But hey Ray, I'm talking to someone who likes the rotten political system.

Aren't vouchers suppose to go to private school kids or home school kids?

 

[danielpalos]

My point was that both sides us education as a tool to "win", rather than using it as a method of improving society. The Republicans aren't better than the Democrats.

I follow politics pretty closely and I don't recall any Republican calling for more school spending. I've heard of reform, I've heard them talk about getting rid of the teachers union, but not just throwing money at the problem as a solution.

Okay, and what does this have to do with what I'm talking about?

As far as I can tell I've heard many prominent Republicans talk about school vouchers. And we've had this discussion, haven't we? Remember the one where you started harping on about choice? About how choice is the most important thing? How choice is so fucking good it could make you wet yourself? And then we spoke about electoral reform and you didn't want choice because choice isn't good, it's bad, it's so bad it'll make you wet yourself? Remember that one? I do.

The whole point of school vouchers isn't choice, it's funneling money out of education and back into the pockets of rich people who, apparently, need the money.

Now, the Republicans are talking about getting rid of school unions, not to improve education, but to make it cheaper, so they can give the money to rich people instead of teachers. Yeah. I know that one too.

Don't try and bullshit me pretending that the Republican Party in the main wants to "improve" education. yes, they want to "improve" education in their own vision, which is cheaper and doesn't provide a threat to their private school educated children.

Vouchers are given to poor people who cannot afford private school themselves. Yes, it is taking it out of the system, but putting it back into the system, just in a different location. Republicans are not "funneling" the money anywhere. The parent gets to choose which school their chid will attend, and that includes public schools.

And that's not throwing more money at the problem. Yes, getting rid of the unions would help education because tenured teachers would not have a guaranteed job as long as they show up for work in the morning. It's one of the reasons unions failed in the private sector; businesses were forced to keep bad workers employed because they had union protection. Without unions, schools would have the freedom to get rid of unproductive teachers and replace them with more productive teachers.

Except there are many cases of vouchers going mainly to private school kids.

But again, you've spoken about "choice" and I've basically said you're not interested in choice, the Republicans aren't interested in choice, and yet you're brought up the same parroting crap you brought up last time.

Yes, I agree that the unions right now are causing problems. But that doesn't mean you can just get rid of teaching unions. Teachers are real people who demand to be treated in a certain way. Get rid of the unions and they'd be on fucking minimum wage if the Republicans thought they could fucking get away with it, and you know it.

The problem isn't necessarily the unions, the problem is a system which doesn't give a fuck about education and the political parties aren't doing what they can to change that, so unions become combative and then you get the same problems in education as you get right the way through the rotten political system. But hey Ray, I'm talking to someone who likes the rotten political system.

Aren't vouchers suppose to go to private school kids or home school kids?

Whomever may benefit from a voucher system under our form of Capitalism.

 

[Dschrute3]

It gets much worse for the Democrats. It isn't completely out of the realm of possibility that he gets to appoint a whopping three Judges to the Supreme Court. Even if he got just two Judges, it would amount to a Coup. And that was my most important reason i supported Trump.

The Courts do run the show in America today. I don't think it's right, but it is the reality. It's all about the Judges now. So if Trump can transform the Courts, especially the Supreme Court, he will have accomplished the most important goal for me. Mission accomplished.

 

[danielpalos]

Should we "sell short, any stock in Congress or the Executive branch?"

 

[ColonelAngus]

Uh huh.
Most Judges, unless they are totally partisan or incompetent, follow the law.Not including Roy Moore.
This is regardless of who appointed them The same STUPID remarks (DEMS PANIC) were seen under Reagan, and both Bush's.
It's just dumb my friend.
The US Constitution is what it is, says what it says.To imagine the Judiciary is going to adopt nutcase fundy christian or internet rightie "ideas" or "theories" is ridiculous, as is your post.
It REALLY makes me laugh when righties whine about an activist, liberal judge................that was appointed by Ronald Reagan.

Why do the 9th circuit court rulings get overturned so often? Because they follow the law?

Libs love to legislate from the bench. To say that doesn't happen is a straight up lie.

https://www.americanbar.org/content...azine/LandslideJan2010_Hofer.authcheckdam.pdf

 

[JoeMoma]

Should we "sell short, any stock in Congress or the Executive branch?"

No, but it does seem that the supreme court has the last say in things, since overriding it through constitutional amendment is such a high bar.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Education is just one of the many things Democrats wish to fund at the cost of the taxpayer.

But we do fund education. In fact, we spend more per capita than any other industrialized nation in the world. In spite of having mediocre results, the Democrat policy is to spend even more. The definition of insanity is...............

My point was that both sides us education as a tool to "win", rather than using it as a method of improving society. The Republicans aren't better than the Democrats.

I follow politics pretty closely and I don't recall any Republican calling for more school spending. I've heard of reform, I've heard them talk about getting rid of the teachers union, but not just throwing money at the problem as a solution.

Okay, and what does this have to do with what I'm talking about?

As far as I can tell I've heard many prominent Republicans talk about school vouchers. And we've had this discussion, haven't we? Remember the one where you started harping on about choice? About how choice is the most important thing? How choice is so fucking good it could make you wet yourself? And then we spoke about electoral reform and you didn't want choice because choice isn't good, it's bad, it's so bad it'll make you wet yourself? Remember that one? I do.

The whole point of school vouchers isn't choice, it's funneling money out of education and back into the pockets of rich people who, apparently, need the money.

Now, the Republicans are talking about getting rid of school unions, not to improve education, but to make it cheaper, so they can give the money to rich people instead of teachers. Yeah. I know that one too.

Don't try and bullshit me pretending that the Republican Party in the main wants to "improve" education. yes, they want to "improve" education in their own vision, which is cheaper and doesn't provide a threat to their private school educated children.

Vouchers are given to poor people who cannot afford private school themselves. Yes, it is taking it out of the system, but putting it back into the system, just in a different location. Republicans are not "funneling" the money anywhere. The parent gets to choose which school their chid will attend, and that includes public schools.

And that's not throwing more money at the problem. Yes, getting rid of the unions would help education because tenured teachers would not have a guaranteed job as long as they show up for work in the morning. It's one of the reasons unions failed in the private sector; businesses were forced to keep bad workers employed because they had union protection. Without unions, schools would have the freedom to get rid of unproductive teachers and replace them with more productive teachers.

Except there are many cases of vouchers going mainly to private school kids.

But again, you've spoken about "choice" and I've basically said you're not interested in choice, the Republicans aren't interested in choice, and yet you're brought up the same parroting crap you brought up last time.

Yes, I agree that the unions right now are causing problems. But that doesn't mean you can just get rid of teaching unions. Teachers are real people who demand to be treated in a certain way. Get rid of the unions and they'd be on fucking minimum wage if the Republicans thought they could fucking get away with it, and you know it.

The problem isn't necessarily the unions, the problem is a system which doesn't give a fuck about education and the political parties aren't doing what they can to change that, so unions become combative and then you get the same problems in education as you get right the way through the rotten political system. But hey Ray, I'm talking to someone who likes the rotten political system.

Getting rid of unions would be the best thing they could do. If you are guaranteed a job no matter how good or bad you perform, why would you bust your ass? That's what happened with industry. I've seen it repeatedly with my own eyes.

Your claim is that much of the voucher money goes to private schools. Okay, if that's true, did you ever ask yourself why? After all, the parent makes the choice of where they spend their voucher. If they are choosing private over public, don't you think there is a reason for that?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

The Dems are panicking. Shit is falling every which way for them. Pelosi is so old, she has wooden teeth, yet all of her replacements are pushing 80 as well. Yet she isn't going anywhere. She knows best for everyone. Elections are being lost every which way, donations are down around their ankles, and now justices are falling like cord-wood and no Hillary there to cherry pick the next lib replacements!

Oh! If only Hillary had not found those Deplorables and the DNC had some sort of message why anyone should vote for them! Come to think of it, I'm not even sure why we even need a Democratic Party?

As long as the Democrat party can keep their tent of government dependents and victims, they will be around a long time. If we could somehow get most of the people to depend on themselves, and tell the victims they are not victims at all, the Democrat party would only be mentioned in history books.

 

[beagle9]

My point was that both sides us education as a tool to "win", rather than using it as a method of improving society. The Republicans aren't better than the Democrats.

I follow politics pretty closely and I don't recall any Republican calling for more school spending. I've heard of reform, I've heard them talk about getting rid of the teachers union, but not just throwing money at the problem as a solution.

Okay, and what does this have to do with what I'm talking about?

As far as I can tell I've heard many prominent Republicans talk about school vouchers. And we've had this discussion, haven't we? Remember the one where you started harping on about choice? About how choice is the most important thing? How choice is so fucking good it could make you wet yourself? And then we spoke about electoral reform and you didn't want choice because choice isn't good, it's bad, it's so bad it'll make you wet yourself? Remember that one? I do.

The whole point of school vouchers isn't choice, it's funneling money out of education and back into the pockets of rich people who, apparently, need the money.

Now, the Republicans are talking about getting rid of school unions, not to improve education, but to make it cheaper, so they can give the money to rich people instead of teachers. Yeah. I know that one too.

Don't try and bullshit me pretending that the Republican Party in the main wants to "improve" education. yes, they want to "improve" education in their own vision, which is cheaper and doesn't provide a threat to their private school educated children.

Vouchers are given to poor people who cannot afford private school themselves. Yes, it is taking it out of the system, but putting it back into the system, just in a different location. Republicans are not "funneling" the money anywhere. The parent gets to choose which school their chid will attend, and that includes public schools.

And that's not throwing more money at the problem. Yes, getting rid of the unions would help education because tenured teachers would not have a guaranteed job as long as they show up for work in the morning. It's one of the reasons unions failed in the private sector; businesses were forced to keep bad workers employed because they had union protection. Without unions, schools would have the freedom to get rid of unproductive teachers and replace them with more productive teachers.

Except there are many cases of vouchers going mainly to private school kids.

But again, you've spoken about "choice" and I've basically said you're not interested in choice, the Republicans aren't interested in choice, and yet you're brought up the same parroting crap you brought up last time.

Yes, I agree that the unions right now are causing problems. But that doesn't mean you can just get rid of teaching unions. Teachers are real people who demand to be treated in a certain way. Get rid of the unions and they'd be on fucking minimum wage if the Republicans thought they could fucking get away with it, and you know it.

The problem isn't necessarily the unions, the problem is a system which doesn't give a fuck about education and the political parties aren't doing what they can to change that, so unions become combative and then you get the same problems in education as you get right the way through the rotten political system. But hey Ray, I'm talking to someone who likes the rotten political system.

Getting rid of unions would be the best thing they could do. If you are guaranteed a job no matter how good or bad you perform, why would you bust your ass? That's what happened with industry. I've seen it repeatedly with my own eyes.

Your claim is that much of the voucher money goes to private schools. Okay, if that's true, did you ever ask yourself why? After all, the parent makes the choice of where they spend their voucher. If they are choosing private over public, don't you think there is a reason for that?

. Unions are like the Demon-crats, they had lost their way. We do need a safety net against rampant runnaway greed when it gets rolling, and whether it be by our government or a union, someone needs to step up when the abuses begin. We aren't out of the woods when it comes to history having a way of repeating itself.

 

[beagle9]

The Dems are panicking. Shit is falling every which way for them. Pelosi is so old, she has wooden teeth, yet all of her replacements are pushing 80 as well. Yet she isn't going anywhere. She knows best for everyone. Elections are being lost every which way, donations are down around their ankles, and now justices are falling like cord-wood and no Hillary there to cherry pick the next lib replacements!

Oh! If only Hillary had not found those Deplorables and the DNC had some sort of message why anyone should vote for them! Come to think of it, I'm not even sure why we even need a Democratic Party?

As long as the Democrat party can keep their tent of government dependents and victims, they will be around a long time. If we could somehow get most of the people to depend on themselves, and tell the victims they are not victims at all, the Democrat party would only be mentioned in history books.

. As long as you got greed and the devilment of people who want to oppress once they obtain power, then you will need some kind of leverage against that sort of thing. If you say that we are beyond that sort of thing, then you are lying Ray.

 

[beagle9]

Let's be clear here, there are victims that become dependents, and the thing is that we all need to be honest about it. Now the ways in which the issues are being exploited can either increase the problems or decrease them if the issues are handled more correctly.

 

[Dschrute3]

Should we "sell short, any stock in Congress or the Executive branch?"

The Courts are running the country now. Anyone who's paying attention, realizes that. Just take a look at how easily Trump's Immigration reform plans have been thwarted by Democrat Judges. It's absolutely vital Trump transforms the Courts, especially the Supreme Court.

It's the biggest reason i had for supporting him. I mean imagine the alternative? Hillary Clinton having the power to appoint numerous Left/Globalist Anti-American Judges? Scary thought, huh? Just on this issue alone, i thank the Lord every day that Trump won.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Let's be clear here, there are victims that become dependents, and the thing is that we all need to be honest about it. Now the ways in which the issues are being exploited can either increase the problems or decrease them if the issues are handled more correctly.

Yes, there will always be victims and dependents, but victimization and dependency by choice or no choice is the question.

When I see that 300 lbs woman in the grocery store with four kids using food stamps, that was her choice to have children she couldn't afford to feed. When I go through lower income neighborhoods and see people in their 20's and 30's walking around instead of being at a job, it was their choice to be poor.

The Democrat party manufactures victims: victims of the wealthy, victims of Big Oil, victims of Wall Street, victims of gender discrimination, victims of race discrimination, victims of Big Pharma, victims of gun legalization, victims of Big Corporations.........

The truth is there are very few true victims in our society, but as long as the Democrat party can convince people that they are victims, they need to vote Democrat to get even with all the people they perceive giving them woes in life.

 

[pdxex]

The "conservative" arguments here are just the same old cliche's.You think you are brilliant, jesus h johnson.A collection of internet cranks, as if I'd "debate" a guy called "Ray from Cleveland:>That's just laughable. The requirement here seems to be, have a huge mouth, many uninformed opinions and the general demeanor of a loud, bad drunk. And lots of obscenities,
Sorry, but the "transformation" here is not going to happen, it's just not reality, the way things work.You naively imagine Trump will change that. Wow.And you think Democrats are naive! AMAZING.
You idiots, Trump isn't draining any swamps, he's merely changed it to a hot tub, complete with champagne and gold plated fixtures. You were bilked. That's what happens when you vote on faith rather than reason.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

The "conservative" arguments here are just the same old cliche's.You think you are brilliant, jesus h johnson.A collection of internet cranks, as if I'd "debate" a guy called "Ray from Cleveland:>That's just laughable.

Then don't debate me newbie. It would be a wise choice on your part.

So you think you're the first phony to come on USMB acting like a know-it-all? Trust me, there are many more here just like you, mostly on the left of course.

 

[pdxex]

Yeah sure. Sorry CLOWN, this is a MEANINGLESS, very obscure internet message board that I found by Googling. I was looking for someplace where intelligent people could write.This isn't it.
You are ABSOLUTLY HILARIOS "Ray from buttfuckville". Some internet NUTCASE sitting around, no life, NOBODY cares but HEY! You are a Platinum Member here! That's REALLY FUNNY "Ray"!
Are you really so damn stupid as to imagine what YOU think or write here in your little hobby means one fucking thing? Ray you could die in five minutes and it wouldn't mean one damn thing! You don't influence anyone, NOBODY reads this silly board.You are in your bubble, your own separate reality.That's a definition of insanity.
Maybe you can hit 21,000 posts soon! GET A FUCKING LIFE MAN!
Now Ray, tell everyone I'm afraid of you, you beat your chest and howl. Yeah, riiiiiiight. Whatever.
Live your delusion guys! You don't mean a damn thing.Nothing. You imbeciles are failures.
If you had ANYTHING going, you wouldn't be obsessed with this clownish message board.Poor Ray.
Poor dumb hick Ray.

 

[Dschrute3]

Let's be clear here, there are victims that become dependents, and the thing is that we all need to be honest about it. Now the ways in which the issues are being exploited can either increase the problems or decrease them if the issues are handled more correctly.

Yes, there will always be victims and dependents, but victimization and dependency by choice or no choice is the question.

When I see that 300 lbs woman in the grocery store with four kids using food stamps, that was her choice to have children she couldn't afford to feed. When I go through lower income neighborhoods and see people in their 20's and 30's walking around instead of being at a job, it was their choice to be poor.

The Democrat party manufactures victims: victims of the wealthy, victims of Big Oil, victims of Wall Street, victims of gender discrimination, victims of race discrimination, victims of Big Pharma, victims of gun legalization, victims of Big Corporations.........

The truth is there are very few true victims in our society, but as long as the Democrat party can convince people that they are victims, they need to vote Democrat to get even with all the people they perceive giving them woes in life.

It's a radicalization agenda the Democrats have embarked on. It started many years ago. It's all in Saul Alinsky's 'Rules for Radicals.' They have to convince their followers that there's an evil 'Republican Boogeyman' hiding under their beds, ready to pounce. They need the 'Victims.' Without them, the Democratic Party couldn't win very many Elections.

And since Election Day, they've really gone insane inciting their followers. They're out of control. They've created a very dangerous environment. Now, they're not just convincing folks they're victims, they're inciting them to do harm to those deemed 'responsible.' Hence this recent horrific attack by a radicalized Democrat loon. They really are out of control with their incitement. I don't know how, but they do need to be reigned in.