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You ARE the words you speak. All of the above descriptions speak of the word 'becoming'. Spoken words become through the process of thought, reason, speech, etc., as I pointed out above. 'And the word became flesh' is the same as saying 'the word became of the flesh' (was spoken).No it doesn't mean that.
1.to become, i.e. to come into existence, begin to be, receive being
2.to become, i.e. to come to pass, happen1.of events
3.to arise, appear in history, come upon the stage1.of men appearing in public
4.to be made, finished1.of miracles, to be performed, wrought
5.to become, be made
He existed from the beginning.
You ARE the words you speak. All of the above descriptions speak of the word 'becoming'. Spoken words become through the process of thought, reason, speech, etc., as I pointed out above. 'And the word became flesh' is the same as saying 'the word became of the flesh' (was spoken).No it doesn't mean that.
1.to become, i.e. to come into existence, begin to be, receive being
2.to become, i.e. to come to pass, happen1.of events
3.to arise, appear in history, come upon the stage1.of men appearing in public
4.to be made, finished1.of miracles, to be performed, wrought
5.to become, be made
He existed from the beginning.
It is impossible that Jesus or any human being ever was God or ever became God either before, during or after their human existence.
No. But it is impossible for me to take your words as the definitive word on the subject, superseding those of great saints like Catherine of Siena, St. John Vianney, Padre Pio and the like. You really are over your head when you make such declarations, IMO.
I would suggest that you consider that the words of your so called great saints who worshipped a trinity in the form of lifeless man made material object and ate it for spiritual life may not be very rational.
Is it possible for you to take the words of Jesus as the definitive word on the subject superseding even such impressive thinkers and heroes of the church?
"but go and tell my brothers that I am ascending to my Father and their Father; my God and their God." John 17:20
By saying that his God is our God Jesus effectively eliminated any possibility that he either thought of himself as or claimed to be God or a part of any trinity.
Who is in over their head?
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I do not understand how that correlates to what I am saying regarding the phrase, 'the word became flesh'. Spoken words are made up of units of sound called phonemes. When Jesus spoke, the word became of his flesh (the words came from his mouth).He already existed though.
I do not understand how that correlates to what I am saying regarding the phrase, 'the word became flesh'. Spoken words are made up of units of sound called phonemes. When Jesus spoke, the word became of his flesh (the words came from his mouth).He already existed though.
This is silly. Of course, he spoke.I do not understand how that correlates to what I am saying regarding the phrase, 'the word became flesh'. Spoken words are made up of units of sound called phonemes. When Jesus spoke, the word became of his flesh (the words came from his mouth).He already existed though.
There is no evidence that He spoke.
This is silly. Of course, he spoke.I do not understand how that correlates to what I am saying regarding the phrase, 'the word became flesh'. Spoken words are made up of units of sound called phonemes. When Jesus spoke, the word became of his flesh (the words came from his mouth).
There is no evidence that He spoke.
Perhaps the following will lend some credibility to what I am saying:
Jesus made the distinction John 3:6, that which is born of the flesh is flesh and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
According to this distinction, the act of producing thoughts and interpreting and representing is born of the flesh and therefore IS flesh.
I do not understand how that correlates to what I am saying regarding the phrase, 'the word became flesh'. Spoken words are made up of units of sound called phonemes. When Jesus spoke, the word became of his flesh (the words came from his mouth).He already existed though.
There is no evidence that He spoke.
Christ means Messiah the Messenger and the message (the word) became flesh (of the flesh), spoken
Were his teachings not spoken? I believe we may be saying the same thing in other words.
No. But it is impossible for me to take your words as the definitive word on the subject, superseding those of great saints like Catherine of Siena, St. John Vianney, Padre Pio and the like. You really are over your head when you make such declarations, IMO.
I would suggest that you consider that the words of your so called great saints who worshipped a trinity in the form of lifeless man made material object and ate it for spiritual life may not be very rational.
Is it possible for you to take the words of Jesus as the definitive word on the subject superseding even such impressive thinkers and heroes of the church?
"but go and tell my brothers that I am ascending to my Father and their Father; my God and their God." John 17:20
By saying that his God is our God Jesus effectively eliminated any possibility that he either thought of himself as or claimed to be God or a part of any trinity..
Right. What choice does one like you have but to ignore the lives, words and manifestations of these saints? Just hang on to your own personal interpretation of one verse (John 17:20) as your proof the Catholic Church and the saints are all full of baloney.
No doubt God would choose to confuse all those who thought they were Christians for 1500 years until his prized pupil came along. And even then, Luther was full of it wasn’t he? Because he believed in purgatory and many other Catholic doctrines. No, now we have to wait for 21st century “enlightened” novices to tell us we are all wasting our time. Actually, I do not understand your objectives at all?
