Did Biden use his power as VP to help his corrupt son in Ukraine?

Bullshit. The complaint was deemed to be credible and of "urgent concern" by the IG. He then sent it to the DNI according to the law; who was then legally obligated to send it to the Congress.
The DNI following the advice of the Justice Department found that the complaint did not meet the standard for mandatory release to Congress.

"But a Sept. 13 letter to the House panel and the Senate Intelligence Committee asserted that acting Director of National Intelligence Joseph Maguire - after consulting with the Justice Department - found that the complaint did not meet the legal definition of “urgent concern.”

In the letter, Jason Klitenic, general counsel in the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, also said the complaint was not subject to disclosure because it did not concern conduct by an intelligence official or an intelligence activity overseen by the DNI, as required by the law.

“Furthermore, because the complaint involves confidential and potentially privileged communications by persons outside the Intelligence Community, the DNI lacks unilateral authority to transmit such materials to the intelligence committees,” he wrote.

Because of the findings, Atkinson was unable to provide details on the complaint in speaking with the committee, lawmakers said."

Lawmaker accuses Justice Department of blocking whistleblower disclosure

However, at this date, everything has been released to Congress and much of it has been released to the public, and there is nothing to justify the Democrats' bizarre allegations against the President.
The law states the DNI has to turn a complaint over to the Congress if the IG finds the complaint credible and of urgent concern.

The IG found the complaint to be credible and of urgent concern.
Which law is that? The one Nancy invented or the one Schiff invented?
This law...

https://www.congress.gov/105/bills/hr3829/BILLS-105hr3829rh.pdf

(5)(A) An employee of the Agency, or of a contractor to the Agency, who intends to report to Congress a complaint or information with respect to an urgent concern may report to the Inspector General.

(B) Within the 60-calendar day period beginning on the day of receipt from an employee of a complaint or information under subparagraph (A), the Inspector General shall determine whether the complaint or information appears credible. If the Inspector General determines that the complaint or information appears credible, the Inspector General within such period shall transmit the complaint or information to the Director.

(C) The Director shall, within 7 calendar days after receipt of the transmittal from the Inspector General under subparagraph (B), forward such transmittal to the intelligence committees together with any comments the Director considers appropriate.
In this case the DNI consulted the department's lawyers and the Justice Department and both said the complaint failed to meet the standards for any urgent. In the paragraph above the one you quoted:

"An employee of the Agency, or of a contractor 11 to the Agency, who intends to report to Congress a com12 plaint or information with respect to an urgent concern 13 may report to the Inspector General."

Since the department's lawyers and the Justice Department determined the complaint did not meet the standard of an "urgent concern" the next paragraph, which you quoted was not relevant. However, all of this is irrelevant since the President released everything that was requested despite the fact that he was not required to by law.
Its no use trying to argue logic and reason to a bunch of drooling, crack brained, mentally ill, deluded nitwits. Facts don't matter, reason doesn't matter and logic simply doest exists in their wierd words of insanity and delusion. All they want to hear and all they'll listen to, their masters at CNN and MSNBC tell them. Even then it's touch and go if it doesn't conform to the pattern.
 
Another prospective

we all remember Trumps initial statement in June this year of his willingness to access dirt from foreign countries and whether he would report it to the FBI

FEC tweets - “Election intervention from foreign governments has been considered unacceptable since the founding of our nation.”

Obviously the Rudy initiative had been going on and the call that was released was done within a few week of the interview about political dirt

Still we do not know if there were prior call

But it is clear the complaint made was a valid complaint and the government including the DOJ and DNI tried it best to sweep it under the wrong

So it had to be done this way as the Trump government lacks any candor with the peoples right to know what the government is doing
 
Check out what the right wing Washington Examiner says

They call Shokin a "Swamp Monster"

Trump endorses Ukraine's swamp monster, prosecutor Viktor Shokin
That makes it OK for a corrupt Ukraine corporation to buy the Vice President of the United States with a $3M bribe laundered through his son?

Did you see how many cutouts they used, and through how many intermediary countries before the money finally was deposited into Hunter's account? If everything was on the up and up, why all the cut outs? Clear case of what is known in corruption cases as "awareness of guilt."
What I see is Trumpers trying to excuse Trump shooting someone on Fifth Ave in broad daylight.

Trump told us that he could do that and not lose his supporters and it's playing out NOW


President Trump didn't do anything wrong here.

He had a discussion with the President of Ukraine and pledged our cooperation in helping Ukraine rid itself of corruption. Particularly in groups like Burisma, which is Ukraine's answer to the La Cosa Nostra here in America. Not only did notorious Hop Head and Dope Addict Hunter Biden serve as an associate to the gang, but affiliates of Mitt Romney as well.
Really? What in the living hell is up with Mitch?

Did You Know There’s a Treaty Between the USA & Ukraine Regarding Cooperation For Prosecuting Crimes?

It was passed when Joe Biden was a member of the U.S. Senate and signed by then-President Bill Clinton.

A comprehensive treaty agreement that provides for cooperation between both the United States and Ukraine in the investigation and prosecution of crimes.

President Trump was following the law to the letter when it comes to unearthing the long-standing corruption that has swirled in Ukraine and involves powerful Democrats like Joe Biden and others.

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Bullshit. The complaint was deemed to be credible and of "urgent concern" by the IG. He then sent it to the DNI according to the law; who was then legally obligated to send it to the Congress.
The DNI following the advice of the Justice Department found that the complaint did not meet the standard for mandatory release to Congress.

"But a Sept. 13 letter to the House panel and the Senate Intelligence Committee asserted that acting Director of National Intelligence Joseph Maguire - after consulting with the Justice Department - found that the complaint did not meet the legal definition of “urgent concern.”

In the letter, Jason Klitenic, general counsel in the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, also said the complaint was not subject to disclosure because it did not concern conduct by an intelligence official or an intelligence activity overseen by the DNI, as required by the law.

“Furthermore, because the complaint involves confidential and potentially privileged communications by persons outside the Intelligence Community, the DNI lacks unilateral authority to transmit such materials to the intelligence committees,” he wrote.

Because of the findings, Atkinson was unable to provide details on the complaint in speaking with the committee, lawmakers said."

Lawmaker accuses Justice Department of blocking whistleblower disclosure

However, at this date, everything has been released to Congress and much of it has been released to the public, and there is nothing to justify the Democrats' bizarre allegations against the President.
The law states the DNI has to turn a complaint over to the Congress if the IG finds the complaint credible and of urgent concern.

The IG found the complaint to be credible and of urgent concern.
Which law is that? The one Nancy invented or the one Schiff invented?
This law...

https://www.congress.gov/105/bills/hr3829/BILLS-105hr3829rh.pdf

(5)(A) An employee of the Agency, or of a contractor to the Agency, who intends to report to Congress a complaint or information with respect to an urgent concern may report to the Inspector General.

(B) Within the 60-calendar day period beginning on the day of receipt from an employee of a complaint or information under subparagraph (A), the Inspector General shall determine whether the complaint or information appears credible. If the Inspector General determines that the complaint or information appears credible, the Inspector General within such period shall transmit the complaint or information to the Director.

(C) The Director shall, within 7 calendar days after receipt of the transmittal from the Inspector General under subparagraph (B), forward such transmittal to the intelligence committees together with any comments the Director considers appropriate.
In this case the DNI consulted the department's lawyers and the Justice Department and both said the complaint failed to meet the standards for any urgent. In the paragraph above the one you quoted:

"An employee of the Agency, or of a contractor 11 to the Agency, who intends to report to Congress a com12 plaint or information with respect to an urgent concern 13 may report to the Inspector General."

Since the department's lawyers and the Justice Department determined the complaint did not meet the standard of an "urgent concern" the next paragraph, which you quoted was not relevant. However, all of this is irrelevant since the President released everything that was requested despite the fact that he was not required to by law.
The law doesn't support what you claim. The law doesn't say it matters what the DNI thinks. It does offer the DNI an avenue, however, to file any opinions with the complaint when they send it to Congress, which they are compelled to do within 7 days -- which is why the just sent it over .... to comply with the law that you still don't understand.
 
The DNI following the advice of the Justice Department found that the complaint did not meet the standard for mandatory release to Congress.

"But a Sept. 13 letter to the House panel and the Senate Intelligence Committee asserted that acting Director of National Intelligence Joseph Maguire - after consulting with the Justice Department - found that the complaint did not meet the legal definition of “urgent concern.”

In the letter, Jason Klitenic, general counsel in the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, also said the complaint was not subject to disclosure because it did not concern conduct by an intelligence official or an intelligence activity overseen by the DNI, as required by the law.

“Furthermore, because the complaint involves confidential and potentially privileged communications by persons outside the Intelligence Community, the DNI lacks unilateral authority to transmit such materials to the intelligence committees,” he wrote.

Because of the findings, Atkinson was unable to provide details on the complaint in speaking with the committee, lawmakers said."

Lawmaker accuses Justice Department of blocking whistleblower disclosure

However, at this date, everything has been released to Congress and much of it has been released to the public, and there is nothing to justify the Democrats' bizarre allegations against the President.
The law states the DNI has to turn a complaint over to the Congress if the IG finds the complaint credible and of urgent concern.

The IG found the complaint to be credible and of urgent concern.
Which law is that? The one Nancy invented or the one Schiff invented?
This law...

https://www.congress.gov/105/bills/hr3829/BILLS-105hr3829rh.pdf

(5)(A) An employee of the Agency, or of a contractor to the Agency, who intends to report to Congress a complaint or information with respect to an urgent concern may report to the Inspector General.

(B) Within the 60-calendar day period beginning on the day of receipt from an employee of a complaint or information under subparagraph (A), the Inspector General shall determine whether the complaint or information appears credible. If the Inspector General determines that the complaint or information appears credible, the Inspector General within such period shall transmit the complaint or information to the Director.

(C) The Director shall, within 7 calendar days after receipt of the transmittal from the Inspector General under subparagraph (B), forward such transmittal to the intelligence committees together with any comments the Director considers appropriate.
In this case the DNI consulted the department's lawyers and the Justice Department and both said the complaint failed to meet the standards for any urgent. In the paragraph above the one you quoted:

"An employee of the Agency, or of a contractor 11 to the Agency, who intends to report to Congress a com12 plaint or information with respect to an urgent concern 13 may report to the Inspector General."

Since the department's lawyers and the Justice Department determined the complaint did not meet the standard of an "urgent concern" the next paragraph, which you quoted was not relevant. However, all of this is irrelevant since the President released everything that was requested despite the fact that he was not required to by law.
Its no use trying to argue logic and reason to a bunch of drooling, crack brained, mentally ill, deluded nitwits. Facts don't matter, reason doesn't matter and logic simply doest exists in their wierd words of insanity and delusion. All they want to hear and all they'll listen to, their masters at CNN and MSNBC tell them. Even then it's touch and go if it doesn't conform to the pattern.
You poor thing... :itsok:
 
Another prospective

we all remember Trumps initial statement in June this year of his willingness to access dirt from foreign countries and whether he would report it to the FBI

FEC tweets - “Election intervention from foreign governments has been considered unacceptable since the founding of our nation.”

Obviously the Rudy initiative had been going on and the call that was released was done within a few week of the interview about political dirt

Still we do not know if there were prior call

But it is clear the complaint made was a valid complaint and the government including the DOJ and DNI tried it best to sweep it under the wrong

So it had to be done this way as the Trump government lacks any candor with the peoples right to know what the government is doing
lol Asking a foreign government to cooperate with an ongoing Justice Department investigation is not having a foreign government intervene in an election.
 
Biden's Transcripts Demanded.


Marianna Sotomayor

✔@MariannaNBCNews

The RNC is now calling on Biden to release transcripts of calls he had with Ukrainian & Chinese leaders while he served as VP:

LOLOL

Biden is under no obligation to answer to the RNC. :cuckoo:
If he has nothing to hide, why not release them?
Good point, tell your beloved Trump that....and have them release the whistle blower IG report to Congress, as per the stating of SHALL turn it over, under LAW.
Trump released everything. Now it's time for Biden to do the same.
"trump released everything" :auiqs.jpg::auiqs.jpg::auiqs.jpg:
 
Check out what the right wing Washington Examiner says

They call Shokin a "Swamp Monster"

Trump endorses Ukraine's swamp monster, prosecutor Viktor Shokin
That makes it OK for a corrupt Ukraine corporation to buy the Vice President of the United States with a $3M bribe laundered through his son?

Did you see how many cutouts they used, and through how many intermediary countries before the money finally was deposited into Hunter's account? If everything was on the up and up, why all the cut outs? Clear case of what is known in corruption cases as "awareness of guilt."
What I see is Trumpers trying to excuse Trump shooting someone on Fifth Ave in broad daylight.

Trump told us that he could do that and not lose his supporters and it's playing out NOW
Trump was merely following the treaty between Ukraine/US that Biden helped pass while in the Senate and BJ Clinton signed into law:

“To the Senate of the United States: With a view to receiving the advice and consent of the Senate to ratification, I transmit herewith the Treaty Between the United States of America and Ukraine on Mutual Legal Assistance in Criminal Matters with Annex, signed at Kiev on July 22, 1998. I transmit also, for the information of the Senate, an exchange of notes which was signed on September 30, 1999, which provides for its provisional application, as well as the report of the Department of State with respect to the Treaty. The Treaty is one of a series of modern mutual legal assistance treaties being negotiated by the United States in order to counter criminal activities more effectively. The Treaty should be an effective tool to assist in the prosecution of a wide variety of crimes, including drug trafficking offenses. The Treaty is self-executing. It provides for a broad range of cooperation in criminal matters. Mutual assistance available under the Treaty includes: taking of testimony or statements of persons; providing documents, records, and articles of evidence; serving documents; locating or identifying persons; transferring persons in custody for testimony or other purposes; executing requests for searches and seizures; assisting in proceedings related to restraint, confiscation, forfeiture of assets, restitution, and collection of fines; and any other form of assistance not prohibited by the laws of the requested state. I recommend that the Senate give early and favorable consideration to the Treaty and give its advice and consent to ratification.”

WILLIAM J. CLINTON.

https://www.congress.gov/106/cdoc/tdoc16/CDOC-106tdoc16.pdf

Trump had a perfectly lawful, reasonable, and mutually affirming conversation, not like Bragging Billion Dollar Bounty Biden with the 6 hour deadline, or else, or that mean judgmental letter by those 4 senators including that one that likes to sleep with 15 year old Jamaican girls.

This is REALLY blowing up in your faces.
 
Another prospective

we all remember Trumps initial statement in June this year of his willingness to access dirt from foreign countries and whether he would report it to the FBI

FEC tweets - “Election intervention from foreign governments has been considered unacceptable since the founding of our nation.”

Obviously the Rudy initiative had been going on and the call that was released was done within a few week of the interview about political dirt

Still we do not know if there were prior call

But it is clear the complaint made was a valid complaint and the government including the DOJ and DNI tried it best to sweep it under the wrong

So it had to be done this way as the Trump government lacks any candor with the peoples right to know what the government is doing
lol Asking a foreign government to cooperate with an ongoing Justice Department investigation is not having a foreign government intervene in an election.
Especially when we have a Treaty Between the USA & Ukraine Regarding Cooperation For Prosecuting Crimes that Bragging Billion Dollar Bounty Biden helped pass through the Senate for Bill Clinton's signature. Ooops!
 
The DNI following the advice of the Justice Department found that the complaint did not meet the standard for mandatory release to Congress.

"But a Sept. 13 letter to the House panel and the Senate Intelligence Committee asserted that acting Director of National Intelligence Joseph Maguire - after consulting with the Justice Department - found that the complaint did not meet the legal definition of “urgent concern.”

In the letter, Jason Klitenic, general counsel in the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, also said the complaint was not subject to disclosure because it did not concern conduct by an intelligence official or an intelligence activity overseen by the DNI, as required by the law.

“Furthermore, because the complaint involves confidential and potentially privileged communications by persons outside the Intelligence Community, the DNI lacks unilateral authority to transmit such materials to the intelligence committees,” he wrote.

Because of the findings, Atkinson was unable to provide details on the complaint in speaking with the committee, lawmakers said."

Lawmaker accuses Justice Department of blocking whistleblower disclosure

However, at this date, everything has been released to Congress and much of it has been released to the public, and there is nothing to justify the Democrats' bizarre allegations against the President.
The law states the DNI has to turn a complaint over to the Congress if the IG finds the complaint credible and of urgent concern.

The IG found the complaint to be credible and of urgent concern.
Which law is that? The one Nancy invented or the one Schiff invented?
This law...

https://www.congress.gov/105/bills/hr3829/BILLS-105hr3829rh.pdf

(5)(A) An employee of the Agency, or of a contractor to the Agency, who intends to report to Congress a complaint or information with respect to an urgent concern may report to the Inspector General.

(B) Within the 60-calendar day period beginning on the day of receipt from an employee of a complaint or information under subparagraph (A), the Inspector General shall determine whether the complaint or information appears credible. If the Inspector General determines that the complaint or information appears credible, the Inspector General within such period shall transmit the complaint or information to the Director.

(C) The Director shall, within 7 calendar days after receipt of the transmittal from the Inspector General under subparagraph (B), forward such transmittal to the intelligence committees together with any comments the Director considers appropriate.
In this case the DNI consulted the department's lawyers and the Justice Department and both said the complaint failed to meet the standards for any urgent. In the paragraph above the one you quoted:

"An employee of the Agency, or of a contractor 11 to the Agency, who intends to report to Congress a com12 plaint or information with respect to an urgent concern 13 may report to the Inspector General."

Since the department's lawyers and the Justice Department determined the complaint did not meet the standard of an "urgent concern" the next paragraph, which you quoted was not relevant. However, all of this is irrelevant since the President released everything that was requested despite the fact that he was not required to by law.
Its no use trying to argue logic and reason to a bunch of drooling, crack brained, mentally ill, deluded nitwits. Facts don't matter, reason doesn't matter and logic simply doest exists in their wierd words of insanity and delusion. All they want to hear and all they'll listen to, their masters at CNN and MSNBC tell them. Even then it's touch and go if it doesn't conform to the pattern.
Turn on your tv Dick and enjoy the show. Whatever channel you watch you`ll hear testimony about abuse of office and the cover up and screeching TDS, Soros, Obama, Clinton, etc. won`t help orange Bin Laden one damn bit. Facts do matter.
 
The DNI following the advice of the Justice Department found that the complaint did not meet the standard for mandatory release to Congress.

"But a Sept. 13 letter to the House panel and the Senate Intelligence Committee asserted that acting Director of National Intelligence Joseph Maguire - after consulting with the Justice Department - found that the complaint did not meet the legal definition of “urgent concern.”

In the letter, Jason Klitenic, general counsel in the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, also said the complaint was not subject to disclosure because it did not concern conduct by an intelligence official or an intelligence activity overseen by the DNI, as required by the law.

“Furthermore, because the complaint involves confidential and potentially privileged communications by persons outside the Intelligence Community, the DNI lacks unilateral authority to transmit such materials to the intelligence committees,” he wrote.

Because of the findings, Atkinson was unable to provide details on the complaint in speaking with the committee, lawmakers said."

Lawmaker accuses Justice Department of blocking whistleblower disclosure

However, at this date, everything has been released to Congress and much of it has been released to the public, and there is nothing to justify the Democrats' bizarre allegations against the President.
The law states the DNI has to turn a complaint over to the Congress if the IG finds the complaint credible and of urgent concern.

The IG found the complaint to be credible and of urgent concern.
Which law is that? The one Nancy invented or the one Schiff invented?
This law...

https://www.congress.gov/105/bills/hr3829/BILLS-105hr3829rh.pdf

(5)(A) An employee of the Agency, or of a contractor to the Agency, who intends to report to Congress a complaint or information with respect to an urgent concern may report to the Inspector General.

(B) Within the 60-calendar day period beginning on the day of receipt from an employee of a complaint or information under subparagraph (A), the Inspector General shall determine whether the complaint or information appears credible. If the Inspector General determines that the complaint or information appears credible, the Inspector General within such period shall transmit the complaint or information to the Director.

(C) The Director shall, within 7 calendar days after receipt of the transmittal from the Inspector General under subparagraph (B), forward such transmittal to the intelligence committees together with any comments the Director considers appropriate.
In this case the DNI consulted the department's lawyers and the Justice Department and both said the complaint failed to meet the standards for any urgent. In the paragraph above the one you quoted:

"An employee of the Agency, or of a contractor 11 to the Agency, who intends to report to Congress a com12 plaint or information with respect to an urgent concern 13 may report to the Inspector General."

Since the department's lawyers and the Justice Department determined the complaint did not meet the standard of an "urgent concern" the next paragraph, which you quoted was not relevant. However, all of this is irrelevant since the President released everything that was requested despite the fact that he was not required to by law.
The law doesn't support what you claim. The law doesn't say it matters what the DNI thinks. It does offer the DNI an avenue, however, to file any opinions with the complaint when they send it to Congress, which they are compelled to do within 7 days -- which is why the just sent it over .... to comply with the law that you still don't understand.
No, the law only concerns matters of "urgent concern" and both the Department's lawyers and the Justice Department determined that the complaint did not meet the legal standard of "urgent concern" and therefore there was no requirement for mandatory release to Congress. If you had read the paragraph above the one you quoted, you might understand this. However, the President released everything the Schiff circus requested despite the fact that there was no legal requirement fo him to do so.
 
Let me ask you libs something. If Ukraine is investigating Joe Biden's ne'er do well son, why should President Trump block them from doing it?

What does Donald Trump "owe" the libs?
 
Check out what the right wing Washington Examiner says

They call Shokin a "Swamp Monster"

Trump endorses Ukraine's swamp monster, prosecutor Viktor Shokin
That makes it OK for a corrupt Ukraine corporation to buy the Vice President of the United States with a $3M bribe laundered through his son?

Did you see how many cutouts they used, and through how many intermediary countries before the money finally was deposited into Hunter's account? If everything was on the up and up, why all the cut outs? Clear case of what is known in corruption cases as "awareness of guilt."
What I see is Trumpers trying to excuse Trump shooting someone on Fifth Ave in broad daylight.

Trump told us that he could do that and not lose his supporters and it's playing out NOW


President Trump didn't do anything wrong here.

He had a discussion with the President of Ukraine and pledged our cooperation in helping Ukraine rid itself of corruption. Particularly in groups like Burisma, which is Ukraine's answer to the La Cosa Nostra here in America. Not only did notorious Hop Head and Dope Addict Hunter Biden serve as an associate to the gang, but affiliates of Mitt Romney as well.
Really? What in the living hell is up with Mitch?

Did You Know There’s a Treaty Between the USA & Ukraine Regarding Cooperation For Prosecuting Crimes?

It was passed when Joe Biden was a member of the U.S. Senate and signed by then-President Bill Clinton.

A comprehensive treaty agreement that provides for cooperation between both the United States and Ukraine in the investigation and prosecution of crimes.

President Trump was following the law to the letter when it comes to unearthing the long-standing corruption that has swirled in Ukraine and involves powerful Democrats like Joe Biden and others.

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No he did not follow the law or protocol..... it is the DOJ and FBI FOREIN CORRUPTION TEAM THAT DOES THAT..... presidents do not put their thumb on the scales of justice or get involved with their personal lawyer, on a campaign rival, during an election cycle.
 
The law states the DNI has to turn a complaint over to the Congress if the IG finds the complaint credible and of urgent concern.

The IG found the complaint to be credible and of urgent concern.
Which law is that? The one Nancy invented or the one Schiff invented?
This law...

https://www.congress.gov/105/bills/hr3829/BILLS-105hr3829rh.pdf

(5)(A) An employee of the Agency, or of a contractor to the Agency, who intends to report to Congress a complaint or information with respect to an urgent concern may report to the Inspector General.

(B) Within the 60-calendar day period beginning on the day of receipt from an employee of a complaint or information under subparagraph (A), the Inspector General shall determine whether the complaint or information appears credible. If the Inspector General determines that the complaint or information appears credible, the Inspector General within such period shall transmit the complaint or information to the Director.

(C) The Director shall, within 7 calendar days after receipt of the transmittal from the Inspector General under subparagraph (B), forward such transmittal to the intelligence committees together with any comments the Director considers appropriate.
In this case the DNI consulted the department's lawyers and the Justice Department and both said the complaint failed to meet the standards for any urgent. In the paragraph above the one you quoted:

"An employee of the Agency, or of a contractor 11 to the Agency, who intends to report to Congress a com12 plaint or information with respect to an urgent concern 13 may report to the Inspector General."

Since the department's lawyers and the Justice Department determined the complaint did not meet the standard of an "urgent concern" the next paragraph, which you quoted was not relevant. However, all of this is irrelevant since the President released everything that was requested despite the fact that he was not required to by law.
Its no use trying to argue logic and reason to a bunch of drooling, crack brained, mentally ill, deluded nitwits. Facts don't matter, reason doesn't matter and logic simply doest exists in their wierd words of insanity and delusion. All they want to hear and all they'll listen to, their masters at CNN and MSNBC tell them. Even then it's touch and go if it doesn't conform to the pattern.
Turn on your tv Dick and enjoy the show. Whatever channel you watch you`ll hear testimony about abuse of office and the cover up and screeching TDS, Soros, Obama, Clinton, etc. won`t help orange Bin Laden one damn bit. Facts do matter.

I do what's different between you and me is that I know how to apply logic and reason to verified soures of information, while you tune into to be programmed and told what to think do and say by your masters.
 
Check out what the right wing Washington Examiner says

They call Shokin a "Swamp Monster"

Trump endorses Ukraine's swamp monster, prosecutor Viktor Shokin
That makes it OK for a corrupt Ukraine corporation to buy the Vice President of the United States with a $3M bribe laundered through his son?

Did you see how many cutouts they used, and through how many intermediary countries before the money finally was deposited into Hunter's account? If everything was on the up and up, why all the cut outs? Clear case of what is known in corruption cases as "awareness of guilt."
What I see is Trumpers trying to excuse Trump shooting someone on Fifth Ave in broad daylight.

Trump told us that he could do that and not lose his supporters and it's playing out NOW
Trump was merely following the treaty between Ukraine/US that Biden helped pass while in the Senate and BJ Clinton signed into law:

“To the Senate of the United States: With a view to receiving the advice and consent of the Senate to ratification, I transmit herewith the Treaty Between the United States of America and Ukraine on Mutual Legal Assistance in Criminal Matters with Annex, signed at Kiev on July 22, 1998. I transmit also, for the information of the Senate, an exchange of notes which was signed on September 30, 1999, which provides for its provisional application, as well as the report of the Department of State with respect to the Treaty. The Treaty is one of a series of modern mutual legal assistance treaties being negotiated by the United States in order to counter criminal activities more effectively. The Treaty should be an effective tool to assist in the prosecution of a wide variety of crimes, including drug trafficking offenses. The Treaty is self-executing. It provides for a broad range of cooperation in criminal matters. Mutual assistance available under the Treaty includes: taking of testimony or statements of persons; providing documents, records, and articles of evidence; serving documents; locating or identifying persons; transferring persons in custody for testimony or other purposes; executing requests for searches and seizures; assisting in proceedings related to restraint, confiscation, forfeiture of assets, restitution, and collection of fines; and any other form of assistance not prohibited by the laws of the requested state. I recommend that the Senate give early and favorable consideration to the Treaty and give its advice and consent to ratification.”

WILLIAM J. CLINTON.

https://www.congress.gov/106/cdoc/tdoc16/CDOC-106tdoc16.pdf

Trump had a perfectly lawful, reasonable, and mutually affirming conversation, not like Bragging Billion Dollar Bounty Biden with the 6 hour deadline, or else, or that mean judgmental letter by those 4 senators including that one that likes to sleep with 15 year old Jamaican girls.

This is REALLY blowing up in your faces.

There has to be an investigation.

So has any entity initiated an investigation of a criminal nature

Article 2 provides for the establishment of Central Authorities and defines Central Authorities for purposes of the Treaty. For the United States, the Central Authority shall be the Attorney General VI or a person designated by the Attorney General. For Ukraine, the Central Authority shall be the Ministry of Justice and the Office of the Prosecutor General. The article provides that the Central Authorities shall communicate directly with one another for the purposes of the Treaty. Article 3 sets forth the circumstances under which a Requested State’s Central Authority may deny assistance under the Treaty. A request may be denied if it relates to a military offense that would not be an offense under ordinary criminal law. A further ground for denial is that the request relates to a political offense (a term expected to be defined on the basis of that term’s usage in extradition treaties).

So Trump calling the president for a favor is not what the Treaty is done for

Calling to tell him how the US is a good friend and supports them is not an investigation

asking for an investigation is not what the Treaty is about

If there was a crime and it was being investigated then the AG would investigate it

He would be standing on solid ground but unfortunately that was not the case as there is no ongoing investigation of Biden.



Not RG

Not Trump

professional investigators

Article 4 prescribes the form and content of written requests under the Treaty, specifying in detail the information required in each request. The article permits other forms of requests in emergency situations but requires written confirmation within ten days thereafter unless the Central Authority of the Requested State agrees otherwise.

written request is not a phone call

So to recap
No AG involvement with a written request
No known ongoing investigation by authorities who investigate
what Trump doing by asking for a favor is political
which is grounds for denial

The investigation was done and it was concluded that Russian intelligence did the hacking

Requesting to reopening an investigation that was closed is tampering
 
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Check out what the right wing Washington Examiner says

They call Shokin a "Swamp Monster"

Trump endorses Ukraine's swamp monster, prosecutor Viktor Shokin
That makes it OK for a corrupt Ukraine corporation to buy the Vice President of the United States with a $3M bribe laundered through his son?

Did you see how many cutouts they used, and through how many intermediary countries before the money finally was deposited into Hunter's account? If everything was on the up and up, why all the cut outs? Clear case of what is known in corruption cases as "awareness of guilt."
What I see is Trumpers trying to excuse Trump shooting someone on Fifth Ave in broad daylight.

Trump told us that he could do that and not lose his supporters and it's playing out NOW


President Trump didn't do anything wrong here.

He had a discussion with the President of Ukraine and pledged our cooperation in helping Ukraine rid itself of corruption. Particularly in groups like Burisma, which is Ukraine's answer to the La Cosa Nostra here in America. Not only did notorious Hop Head and Dope Addict Hunter Biden serve as an associate to the gang, but affiliates of Mitt Romney as well.
Really? What in the living hell is up with Mitch?

Did You Know There’s a Treaty Between the USA & Ukraine Regarding Cooperation For Prosecuting Crimes?

It was passed when Joe Biden was a member of the U.S. Senate and signed by then-President Bill Clinton.

A comprehensive treaty agreement that provides for cooperation between both the United States and Ukraine in the investigation and prosecution of crimes.

President Trump was following the law to the letter when it comes to unearthing the long-standing corruption that has swirled in Ukraine and involves powerful Democrats like Joe Biden and others.

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No he did not follow the law or protocol...
Yes he did.
... get involved with their personal lawyer...
Giuliani, spoke with Ukraine on this at the request of The State Department. He is a deeply experienced prosecutor with a long history of putting members of Organized Crime where they belong.
...on a campaign rival, during an election cycle.
Running for office does does not grant the Biden's immunity from prosecution for their corruption. But as for your crazy theory that running for office grants you and corrupt family immunity from investigation, is James Comey aware of this? Because Candidate Trump was sure investigated a lot!
 
Another prospective

we all remember Trumps initial statement in June this year of his willingness to access dirt from foreign countries and whether he would report it to the FBI

FEC tweets - “Election intervention from foreign governments has been considered unacceptable since the founding of our nation.”

Obviously the Rudy initiative had been going on and the call that was released was done within a few week of the interview about political dirt

Still we do not know if there were prior call

But it is clear the complaint made was a valid complaint and the government including the DOJ and DNI tried it best to sweep it under the wrong

So it had to be done this way as the Trump government lacks any candor with the peoples right to know what the government is doing
lol Asking a foreign government to cooperate with an ongoing Justice Department investigation is not having a foreign government intervene in an election.
Oh? What DoJ investigation into Biden is there?
 
Biden's Transcripts Demanded.


Marianna Sotomayor

✔@MariannaNBCNews

The RNC is now calling on Biden to release transcripts of calls he had with Ukrainian & Chinese leaders while he served as VP:

LOLOL

Biden is under no obligation to answer to the RNC. :cuckoo:
If he has nothing to hide, why not release them?
Good point, tell your beloved Trump that....and have them release the whistle blower IG report to Congress, as per the stating of SHALL turn it over, under LAW.
There is no such law requiring everything be turned over to Congress, Nancy lied about that, just as all the Dems have been lying about the IG calling the complaint credible. You now have access to the transcript to the phone call the whistleblower was complaining about so now that you have more facts than the whistleblower had, why not decide for yourself what the truth is?
Since when is the law, a statute, not the law?

The IG stated the whistle blower complaint was CREDIBLE, where did you get that he did not?
 
The law states the DNI has to turn a complaint over to the Congress if the IG finds the complaint credible and of urgent concern.

The IG found the complaint to be credible and of urgent concern.
Which law is that? The one Nancy invented or the one Schiff invented?
This law...

https://www.congress.gov/105/bills/hr3829/BILLS-105hr3829rh.pdf

(5)(A) An employee of the Agency, or of a contractor to the Agency, who intends to report to Congress a complaint or information with respect to an urgent concern may report to the Inspector General.

(B) Within the 60-calendar day period beginning on the day of receipt from an employee of a complaint or information under subparagraph (A), the Inspector General shall determine whether the complaint or information appears credible. If the Inspector General determines that the complaint or information appears credible, the Inspector General within such period shall transmit the complaint or information to the Director.

(C) The Director shall, within 7 calendar days after receipt of the transmittal from the Inspector General under subparagraph (B), forward such transmittal to the intelligence committees together with any comments the Director considers appropriate.
In this case the DNI consulted the department's lawyers and the Justice Department and both said the complaint failed to meet the standards for any urgent. In the paragraph above the one you quoted:

"An employee of the Agency, or of a contractor 11 to the Agency, who intends to report to Congress a com12 plaint or information with respect to an urgent concern 13 may report to the Inspector General."

Since the department's lawyers and the Justice Department determined the complaint did not meet the standard of an "urgent concern" the next paragraph, which you quoted was not relevant. However, all of this is irrelevant since the President released everything that was requested despite the fact that he was not required to by law.
The law doesn't support what you claim. The law doesn't say it matters what the DNI thinks. It does offer the DNI an avenue, however, to file any opinions with the complaint when they send it to Congress, which they are compelled to do within 7 days -- which is why the just sent it over .... to comply with the law that you still don't understand.
No, the law only concerns matters of "urgent concern" and both the Department's lawyers and the Justice Department determined that the complaint did not meet the legal standard of "urgent concern" and therefore there was no requirement for mandatory release to Congress. If you had read the paragraph above the one you quoted, you might understand this. However, the President released everything the Schiff circus requested despite the fact that there was no legal requirement fo him to do so.
The law specifies it's up to the IG, not the DNI, to determine if a complaint is credible and of urgent concern -- and he did.
 

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