Dissecting John Stossel's Anti-Communist Lies

[westwall]

Yet you think Rs are socialists. Lol.

And you claim to be able to think.


DURRRRRR

 

[surada]

Yet every one had healthcare and the UN considered it to have one of the best healthcare systems in the Arab world.

Gaddafi was an uneducated Bedouin boy who was hated by the Libyan people. That's why his military and police and body guards were all foreign nationals.

Brother Colonel is an attempt to reinvent what Gaddafi was and did.

 

[JusticeHammer]

It's not how you start the race, it's how you finish it that matters. It took centuries for capitalism to replace chattel slavery and feudalism, and it will take time for socialism and then communism to replace capitalism. It's just a matter of time.

Socialism/communism sucks, has no business in this country.

 

[JusticeHammer]

Of course not, because I was born and raised here in the United States. It's illegal for me to live in a communist country, under American sanctions and threats of war. But anyways, why would I live in another country, when I can live here in the United States and do whatever I can to make it more socialist and communist?

You're an enemy of the U.S.A.

 

[Pete7469]

Libya was socialist and had the highest standard of living in Africa. Syria and Iraq, both Baath Party-run Socialist countries, used to be, before being plunged into civil war by Western, hegemonic powers, two of the most developed nations in the middle east. You can do the research yourself. Wherever socialism is allowed to function without being sabotaged by capitalist powers like the United States and its vassals/allies, it flourishes. Does well. In Latin America, we see the same thing. Cuba, Venezuela, Nicaragua, Bolivia, Chile, whenever socialism is allowed to function without being embargoed and overrun by American-funded rebels or invaded, or bombed by the US, that country does well.

Obviously this bed wetter has never been to Iraq, Syria or anywhere else in the ME. It's probably never been outside Seattle or whatever other city full of autistic moonbats it lives in. The ba’athist shit holes are primitive. They barely had a functioning electrical grid. To call them shit holes is flattering.

Kuwait, Qatar, the AUE, and Saudi Arabia are far more advanced. They have sky scrapers, efficient power and all the first world standards of living. You can almost mistake parts of Kuwait for the US. Hot Arab chicks on cell phones driving BMW's, walking though the mall, and that's what I saw in 2007. Iraq and Syria NEVER HAD the same standards available.

That's the problem with moonbats though. They repeat inane shit about things they know nothing about, and piss and moan because they get mocked and ridiculed for being deliberately ignorant.

 

[Pete7469]

Socialism/communism sucks, has no business in this country.

I would say it has no business among productive, cognizant human beings that are aware of their existence. It can only work within insect minded drones with a hive instinct. This is of course what the ruling class actually wants. Human slaves that perform certain functions, question NOTHING, demand nothing, and do so with minimal living standards and zero desire to achieve more.

Bed wetters already begin life as minimalists. Willing to accept piss poor living standards, but not willing to be productive.


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[gipper]

And you claim to be able to think.


DURRRRRR

Well we know for certain, you can‘t.

 

[westwall]

Well we know for certain, you can‘t.

Wow, so original. Do you perform at the 3rd grade playground too, or are you concentrating on 2nd grade only?

 

[Pete7469]

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

All of your claims are misleading as well as the premise behind them. For the sake of others, I will explain why for the 586th time. You fail in assuming that if an economic system or mode of production is the successor of another earlier system, it must replace its predecessor immediately or within a certain arbitrary period of time (set by you of course). That's your first mistake. Asserting that since attempts to establish communism in the past at a national scale have ultimately failed, such attempts WILL ALWAYS FAIL. That might be your wish, fantasy, or dream, but it's an illogical fallacy.

Your other error is in assuming that the reason that the USSR and other communist countries have failed economically, is only due to an endemic trait or flaw in communism. Well, that's not necessarily the case. You conveniently ignore and refuse to acknowledge the fact that those who are in power (i.e. namely the capitalists) as a result of an older economic and social order aren't going to allow a new system to be established if it poses a threat to their authority and control over resources. This socioeconomic class of elites we call "capitalists", will fight tooth and nail to stop the paying-consumer and general populace from having collective ownership over the means of production (i.e. the machinery, facilities/factories, raw materials, mining equipment, vehicles. etc), at a national, societal scale.

This capitalist "tooth and nail" struggle consists of communist countries being bombed, invaded, sanctioned, sabotaged, demonized. etc. You conveniently and disengeniously fail to factor that in to the equation pretending that the only reason that communists have failed in the past to establish a sustainable communist economy at a national scale is due to some inherent flaw in communism. Well no, not necessarily.

You pretend that the USSR failed, only because communism doesn't work. That's like throwing someone in the boxing ring with one hand tied behind his back and an eye patch covering one of his eyes, then you saying "see he can't fight". He sucks at boxing, see how he lost? Well maybe he doesn't really suck at boxing, perhaps you suck for tying one of his hands behind his back and blinding him in one eye. If you're in a position of immense power as the United States was and still is, then there's a lot you can do to undermine a smaller, developing nation's effort to successfully socialize and democratize its economy (i.e. adopt a socialist economy) and society.

The USSR and practically every country that identifies itself as having a Marxist socialist or communist economy will be targeted by the US capitalist empire and its crony allies around the world. That's the nature of the beast. For those of you who are reading this "friendly exchange of ideas" and would like to learn more about what really occurred in the USSR, watch the videos I'm going to embed below and read the informative PDF books I will attach to this post.

Another mistake that you're making is in assuming that capitalism and its original mercantile class, replaced chattel slavery and feudalism overnight. It didn't, it actually took centuries for the merchant classes to become the wealthy and powerful industrialists of the 1800s. They replaced the former royal aristocracy and nobles, with their capitalist-run, constitutional republicanism and plutocracy. Capitalist, entrepreneurial mercantilism began in the 1500s, with fleets of ships sailing to the new world and Asia, manned with employees (sailors, mercenaries). That's what led to the English civil war with Oliver Cromwell, establishing the British parliament. In other words, capitalism and its close relative, Republicanism, took centuries to replace slavery and feudalism, the kings and queens.

The process of replacing the older monarchal systems with all of its aristocratic lords and nobles, with a new and better constitutional-based Republican, capitalist-run plutocracy, granting people more freedoms and rights, took centuries.

So why do you expect or demand communism defeat and replace capitalism in one decisive victory and swoop of the sword, to prove its validity? Really? No mistakes, no defeats, no falling down and getting back up, no process of learning from one's mistakes in order to improve future outcomes, no no no. If communism is going to be the successor of capitalism it has to do it PERFECTLY ASAP, RIGHT NOW! Every rational mind asks:

"WHY?" ​

Marx wrote that material conditions determine if socialism and later communism can be effectively established. The merchants didn't become powerful industrialists until technology allowed them to industrialize. Communism likewise will not successfully establish itself in a world of capitalist powers, that will move the earth and heaven to stop it until technology (material conditions) permits it to exist and flourish. Until it becomes obvious, self-evident, and necessary due to material conditions, communism at a national scale, will not exist.

Now I ask you again. What is your capitalist solution to the widely recognized and forecasted soon-to-be crisis, of employers replacing their employees with advanced 21st-century automation technology? How will capitalists capitalize on their products, when a significant % or even all of their products and services are being produced, stored, and delivered by robots, artificial intelligence, automated systems, self-driving autonomous vehicles, and super-computers? etc

Do you have at least a general idea of how capitalism can solve that "problem"? Because this so-called "problem" of technology making production incredibly efficient and automated, is for us communists, the birth of communism. It's the death of capitalism and the birth of a new era of communism. You know that, that's why you refuse to answer the question. You're dumbfounded, bewildered.

For the genuine truth seekers:

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Some PDF books you can read:

Livro-28-DOUGLAS-TOTTLE-â-FOME-FRAUDE-E-FASCISMO (1).pdf

drive.google.com

Stalin Waiting for ... the Truth (Grover Furr) (z-lib.org).pdf

drive.google.com

Khrushchev Lied (Grover Furr) (z-lib.org).pdf

drive.google.com

You fail in assuming that if an economic system or mode of production is the successor of another earlier system, it must replace its predecessor immediately or within a certain arbitrary period of time (set by you of course).

Communism didn't replace capitalism in USSR, Cuba, Eastern Europe etc?
Communism didn't fail miserably in all those places? You sound confused.

Asserting that since attempts to establish communism in the past at a national scale have ultimately failed, such attempts WILL ALWAYS FAIL. That might be your wish, fantasy, or dream, but it's an illogical fallacy.

Well, communism's massive failures worldwide isn't a show of strength.
Any examples of successful communism in the world today?

This capitalist "tooth and nail" struggle consists of communist countries being bombed, invaded, sanctioned, sabotaged, demonized. etc.

The Capitalists Will Sell Us the Rope with Which We Will Hang Them​

Unless they stop selling us rope, in which case, communism fails miserably. Again. LOL!

He sucks at boxing, see how he lost? Well maybe he doesn't really suck at boxing, perhaps you suck for tying one of his hands behind his back and blinding him in one eye.

Communism let us do that to them? LOL! Morons.

there's a lot you can do to undermine a smaller, developing nation's effort to successfully socialize and democratize its economy

Smaller nation? Isn't Russia the biggest in the world?

Just admit it. Even millions of bureaucrats can't set prices and production across an entire economy as successfully as the free market. Even if you kill millions and fill the gulags in the attempt. Communism sucks, then, now and in the future.

 

[boedicca]

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Stossel Comes from Long Island, where he's a social butterfly. For all his "capitalism" hot air, when his 2.5 Mil Hamptons mansion was blown away years ago, he had no problem getting Gov't agencies to pay for the loss. Some say, he was "underinsured". He's the ultimate 'Bankster': "Socialism for me, capitalism for the peasants".

You.Are.A.Loon

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Gaddafi built hospitals without doctors, equipment or emergency services.

Sounds like Cuba.

 

[boedicca]

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You win the interwebs today!

 

[JustAGuy1]

It's not how you start the race, it's how you finish it that matters. It took centuries for capitalism to replace chattel slavery and feudalism, and it will take time for socialism and then communism to replace capitalism. It's just a matter of time.

You'll never see it.

 

[surada]

Sounds like Cuba.

Gaddafi was pompous not intelligent. Every time he committed some social gaffe he threatened assassination.

 

[JustAGuy1]

I wonder if the OP has ever actually tried living in a Communist country. Reality would smack the stupid out of him.

No, they never do or they wouldn't advocate it.

 

[Red Front]

Gaddafi was an uneducated Bedouin boy who was hated by the Libyan people. That's why his military and police and body guards were all foreign nationals.

Brother Colonel is an attempt to reinvent what Gaddafi was and did.

Believe whatever toots your horn.

 

[Red Front]

Sounds like Cuba.

Cuba is one of the countries with the most doctors. They even send doctors to other countries, so you obviously don't know what you're talking about.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Cuba is one of the countries with the most doctors. They even send doctors to other countries, so you obviously don't know what you're talking about.

Of course they send doctors to other countries.
They can earn hard currency for their corrupt leaders and it's not like they're
really giving decent healthcare to their enslaved citizens.

 

[22lcidw]

You.Are.A.Loon

The SLS launch if successful is going to cost over 4.1 billion dollars at least this week. NASA is now equity.