Do liberals want a parasite tax? It would seem consistent:

[sakinago]

We've been a hybrid socialized country for a while, progressing more and more to socialism, yet are wage gap keeps growing and growing, what's up with that.

See if you can spot it lol:

The Demise of the American Middle Class In Numbers.

Over the past 35 years the American dream has gradually disappeared. The process was slow, so most people didn’t notice. They just worked a few more hours, borrowed a little more and cut back on non-essentials. But looking at the numbers and comparing them over long time periods, it is obvious that things have changed drastically. Here are the details:

1. WORKERS PRODUCE MORE BUT THE GAINS GO TO BUSINESS.

Over the past 63 years worker productivity has grown by 2.0% per year.

But after 1980, workers received a smaller share every year. Labor’s share of income (1992 = 100%):

1950 = 101%
1960 = 105%
1970 = 105%
1980 = 105% – Reagan
1990 = 100%
2000 = 96%
2007 = 92%

A 13% drop since 1980

2. THE TOP 10% GET A LARGER SHARE.

Share of National Income going to Top 10%:

1950 = 35%
1960 = 34%
1970 = 34%
1980 = 34% – Reagan
1990 = 40%
2000 = 47%
2007 = 50%

An increase of 16% since Reagan.

3. WORKERS COMPENSATED FOR THE LOSS OF INCOME BY SPENDING THEIR SAVINGS.

The savings Rose up to Reagan and fell during and after.

1950 = 6.0%
1960 = 7.0%
1970 = 8.5%
1980 = 10.0% – Reagan
1982 = 11.2% – Peak
1990 = 7.0%
2000 = 2.0%
2006 = -1.1% (Negative = withdrawing from savings)

A 12.3% drop after Reagan.

4. WORKERS ALSO BORROWED TO MAKE UP FOR THE LOSS.

Household Debt as percentage of GDP:

1965 = 46%
1970 = 45%
1980 = 50% – Reagan
1990 = 61%
2000 = 69%
2007 = 95%

A 45% increase after 1980.

5. SO THE GAP BETWEEN THE RICHEST AND THE POOREST HAS GROWN.

Gap Between the Share of Capital Income earned by the top 1%
and the bottom 80%:

1980 = 10%
2003 = 56%

A 5.6 times increase.

6. AND THE AMERICAN DREAM IS GONE.

The Probably of Moving Up from the Bottom 40% to the Top 40%:

1945 = 12%
1958 = 6%
1990 = 3%
2000 = 2%

A 10% Decrease.

Links:

1 = ftp://ftp.bls.gov/pub/special.requests/pf/totalf1.txt
1 = https://www.clevelandfed.org/Research/PolicyDis/No7Nov04.pdf
1 = Clipboard01.jpg (image)
2 – http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/blog/09/04/27/CongratulationstoEmmanuelSaez/
3 = http://www.demos.org/inequality/images/charts/uspersonalsaving_thumb.gif
3 = U.S. Bureau of Economic Analysis (BEA)
4 = Federated Prudent Bear Fund (A): Overview
4 = FRB: Z.1 Release - Financial Accounts of the United States - Current Release
5/6 = 15 Mind-Blowing Facts About Wealth And Inequality In America

Overview = http://www.ourfuture.org/blog-entry/2010062415/reagan-revolution-home-roost-charts

Ha this is a total non sequitur. Looking at one statistic and ignoring every other variable out there.

Has the US become more progressive or less progressive since 1945? Add that into you're equation.

One stat? LOL. We've gone to Hell under Reaganism the last 35 years, and thanks to the total BS GOP propaganda machine and cowardly corporate media, the majority don't know shytte. So you're saying no taxes of ANY KIND if income is under 50k, or just fed income tax? Because right now, if you count ALL TAXES AND FEES, we have a flat tax for EVERYONE, with all new wealth staying with the richest on average. Thanks New BS GOP.

Yea no matter what the tax plan is under the fed income tax, it always comes out to be around 18 percent of what working Americans are making. That IS the problem of the our current tax code. Thanks for proving my point that poor/middle class people are paying 18 an percent tax rate. That's a problem.

And are you honestly trying to argue the Carter era was better than the Reagan era? Our original problem is getting off of gold standard during progressive republican Nixon era. We often joke about how low the prices were back before Nixon, but this is a false equivalency, since their 50 dollars was quantitatively worth a lot more than what we call 200 dollars today. That moment is where the us went astray. Everything subsequent to this moment should be judged only by everything after this moment.

If you want to dig deep to the 40s, we're talking about a completely different economic America. Remember, it was only the Great Depression in America, and FDR extended the Great Depression for 10 years past everywhere else in the world. And if you want to look at good tax policy during this era, contrast Wilsons presidency, with Calvin Coolidges presidency....Ushered in the greatest economic growth ever in American history.

Tax Policy, Coolidge Style

rambling all over?? what is your point? Are you capitalist or socialist? That's is only issue.

The whole video is applicable, stat at 18 seconds in if you want to hear what I'm trying to convey to you

 

[Skull Pilot]

yeah and Reagan also grew the government and the debt

and??????????????????????????????

I thought he was supposed to be a small government guy not just another big government hypocrite

 

[EverCurious]

Your convoluted stats that show the wealthy making so much don't account for the reality of the modern global world. Of course the CEO of an international is making more than the generic checker at any single store in the US. It's unrealistic to expect to /not/ see such a reflection in the stats. The stupid comes in when the cashier truly believes, is encouraged to believe, that (s)he, who can't even make change without the register doing the math for her, could possibly do the job of the CEO and oversee the health, viability, and profits of an international string of stores that employee's thousands and juggles billions of dollars in assets on a daily basis.

The dolt can barely even get her ass into work on time, (s)he can't even be trusted to balance her damn till at the end of her shift, we're forced to pay managers to do that, (s)he gives two fucks for the state of the company, only cares for her pathetic little social life. Yes, that green grass on the other side of the fence hides a rainbow pot... of fools gold. Dolts have no clue what it takes to even run a small business, much less a corporation, or a global conglomerate, but yeah, sure, they are worth more to the company and deserve more "equal" pay as the CEO's, managers, and lawyers who make the hard decisions which make or break the company. ~rolls eyes~ Ya'll might have better luck finding leprechauns, than expecting a company /not/ to pay top wages to the executives. I've written fantasy stories that are more realistic than the lie you rich haters are spouting...

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

I thought he was supposed to be a small government guy not just another big government hypocrite

if was small govt guy but he was only president not in control of govt press and population who were liberal. Do you understand?

 

[Skull Pilot]

yeah and Reagan also grew the government and the debt

and??????????????????????????????

I thought he was supposed to be a small government guy not just another big government hypocrite

if was small govt guy but he was only president not in control of govt press and population who were liberal. Do you understand?

he was never a small government guy

 

[sakinago]

poor/middle class people are paying 18 an percent tax rate. That's a problem.

can you say why??????

Jesus Christ where's my 10,000 dollars if you actually believe that government should be taking 18% of income of those making 30,000. I'm for the flat tax, but you want to tax 18% to those who make 30,000 a year? Dude get in line behind the progressives, you're one of them. Serve government before all else, that's you.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

yeah and Reagan also grew the government and the debt

and??????????????????????????????

I thought he was supposed to be a small government guy not just another big government hypocrite

if was small govt guy but he was only president not in control of govt press and population who were liberal. Do you understand?

he was never a small government guy

Is that our subject???? How will you learn if you cant stick to a subject??

 

[Skull Pilot]

poor/middle class people are paying 18 an percent tax rate. That's a problem.

can you say why??????

Jesus Christ where's my 10,000 dollars if you actually believe that government should be taking 18% of income of those making 30,000. I'm for the flat tax, but you want to tax 18% to those who make 30,000 a year? Dude get in line behind the progressives, you're one of them. Serve government before all else, that's you.

people like to add in state and local taxes so as to claim the so called poor pay more than Zero percent of the federal income tax

 

[Skull Pilot]

yeah and Reagan also grew the government and the debt

and??????????????????????????????

I thought he was supposed to be a small government guy not just another big government hypocrite

if was small govt guy but he was only president not in control of govt press and population who were liberal. Do you understand?

he was never a small government guy

Is that our subject???? How will you learn if you cant stick to a subject??

he didn't veto big spending bills did he?

Noo he didn't

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Jesus Christ where's my 10,000 dollars if you actually believe that government should be taking 18% of income of those making 30,000..

How much should govt be taking??????

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

he didn't veto big spending bills did he?
Noo he didn't

no but he would have if Congress press electorate etc wanted him too.

 

[Skull Pilot]

he didn't veto big spending bills did he?
Noo he didn't

no but he would have if Congress press electorate etc wanted him too.

so like I said he wasn't a small government guy just another hypocrite

 

[sakinago]

Jesus Christ where's my 10,000 dollars if you actually believe that government should be taking 18% of income of those making 30,000..

How much should govt be taking??????

As I've stated many many times. Anywhere between 10-13% after the first 50 grand.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

he didn't veto big spending bills did he?
Noo he didn't

no but he would have if Congress press electorate etc wanted him too.

so like I said he wasn't a small government guy just another hypocrite

he was a small govt guy but without a conservative majority 1+1=2

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Jesus Christ where's my 10,000 dollars if you actually believe that government should be taking 18% of income of those making 30,000..

How much should govt be taking??????

As I've stated many many times. Anywhere between 10-13% after the first 50 grand.

question was how much for guy making $30,000

 

[danielpalos]

Communist countries felt every able bodied person should be out working hard to build the communist paradise or to at least contribute to society. To discourage parasites they often had a so called "parasite tax". If someone got a job in a certain time frame the tax would often be refunded as an incentive.
In our society the top 1% for example pay 44% of all income tax and often supply millions of jobs and great innovative products while the bottom 1% pay no taxes and create no jobs or products. It seems that liberals might want a parasite tax on these people to encourage them to pay their fair share??

dear, the poor and Mr. Trump pay the taxes they are legally obligated to pay.

don't complain; be Patriotic.

 

[Rustic]

can you show me a real life example of a 1% getting gouged by taxes ? Good luck . I think the only person to pay full % of taxes is a lottery winner.

Let's not forget all the little fees n taxes hidden everywhere . In utility , cable , phone bills . Sales taxes , tolls , GAS TAXES!

add all this together see what people's real tax rate are. Bill Gates n I pull up to the gas station. We pay the same taxes when we fill up.

Quit falling down the well…

Only fucking morons think a progressive tax of any sort is fair… It does nothing for the country as a whole - except divide it.

If you're a braindead dupe...worked everywhere and every time EXCEPT in the brainwashed America of the last 30 years....

The moron speaks

 

[francoHFW]

One stat? LOL. We've gone to Hell under Reaganism the last 35 years,.

Reagan was for limited govt while our govt has grown since Reagan so we have had the opposite of Reaganism for 35 years.

Perhaps if you hadn't dropped out of HS you'd know that?

Meanwhile on planet Earth he tripled the debt, grew the gov't bigly, screwed the middle class and gave it away to the rich ever since, with a bs propaganda machine to fool jackasses like you. And I have a Masters in History.
After 30 years of Voodoo: worst min. wage, work conditions, illegal work safeguards, vacations, work week, college costs, rich/poor gap, upward social mobility, % homeless and in prison EVAH, and in the modern world!!

 

[francoHFW]

can you show me a real life example of a 1% getting gouged by taxes ? Good luck . I think the only person to pay full % of taxes is a lottery winner.

Let's not forget all the little fees n taxes hidden everywhere . In utility , cable , phone bills . Sales taxes , tolls , GAS TAXES!

add all this together see what people's real tax rate are. Bill Gates n I pull up to the gas station. We pay the same taxes when we fill up.

Quit falling down the well…

Only fucking morons think a progressive tax of any sort is fair… It does nothing for the country as a whole - except divide it.

If you're a braindead dupe...worked everywhere and every time EXCEPT in the brainwashed America of the last 30 years....

The moron speaks

You dupes are incredible...After 30 years of Voodoo: worst min. wage, work conditions, illegal work safeguards, vacations, work week, college costs, rich/poor gap, upward social mobility, % homeless and in prison EVAH, and in the modern world!!

We're socialist too, since ACA. But a pander to the rich GOP mess. "We're all socialists now!" Finland PM when ACA passed...Yes, we're talking modern countries. Original EU, Canada, Oz, NZ, Japan, and US (on probation).

We've been a hybrid socialized country for a while, progressing more and more to socialism, yet are wage gap keeps growing and growing, what's up with that.

See if you can spot it lol:

The Demise of the American Middle Class In Numbers.

Over the past 35 years the American dream has gradually disappeared. The process was slow, so most people didn’t notice. They just worked a few more hours, borrowed a little more and cut back on non-essentials. But looking at the numbers and comparing them over long time periods, it is obvious that things have changed drastically. Here are the details:

1. WORKERS PRODUCE MORE BUT THE GAINS GO TO BUSINESS.

Over the past 63 years worker productivity has grown by 2.0% per year.

But after 1980, workers received a smaller share every year. Labor’s share of income (1992 = 100%):

1950 = 101%
1960 = 105%
1970 = 105%
1980 = 105% – Reagan
1990 = 100%
2000 = 96%
2007 = 92%

A 13% drop since 1980

2. THE TOP 10% GET A LARGER SHARE.

Share of National Income going to Top 10%:

1950 = 35%
1960 = 34%
1970 = 34%
1980 = 34% – Reagan
1990 = 40%
2000 = 47%
2007 = 50%

An increase of 16% since Reagan.

3. WORKERS COMPENSATED FOR THE LOSS OF INCOME BY SPENDING THEIR SAVINGS.

The savings Rose up to Reagan and fell during and after.

1950 = 6.0%
1960 = 7.0%
1970 = 8.5%
1980 = 10.0% – Reagan
1982 = 11.2% – Peak
1990 = 7.0%
2000 = 2.0%
2006 = -1.1% (Negative = withdrawing from savings)

A 12.3% drop after Reagan.

4. WORKERS ALSO BORROWED TO MAKE UP FOR THE LOSS.

Household Debt as percentage of GDP:

1965 = 46%
1970 = 45%
1980 = 50% – Reagan
1990 = 61%
2000 = 69%
2007 = 95%

A 45% increase after 1980.

5. SO THE GAP BETWEEN THE RICHEST AND THE POOREST HAS GROWN.

Gap Between the Share of Capital Income earned by the top 1%
and the bottom 80%:

1980 = 10%
2003 = 56%

A 5.6 times increase.

6. AND THE AMERICAN DREAM IS GONE.

The Probably of Moving Up from the Bottom 40% to the Top 40%:

1945 = 12%
1958 = 6%
1990 = 3%
2000 = 2%

A 10% Decrease.

Links:

1 = ftp://ftp.bls.gov/pub/special.requests/pf/totalf1.txt
1 = https://www.clevelandfed.org/Research/PolicyDis/No7Nov04.pdf
1 = Clipboard01.jpg (image)
2 – http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/blog/09/04/27/CongratulationstoEmmanuelSaez/
3 = http://www.demos.org/inequality/images/charts/uspersonalsaving_thumb.gif
3 = U.S. Bureau of Economic Analysis (BEA)
4 = Federated Prudent Bear Fund (A): Overview
4 = FRB: Z.1 Release - Financial Accounts of the United States - Current Release
5/6 = 15 Mind-Blowing Facts About Wealth And Inequality In America

Overview = http://www.ourfuture.org/blog-entry/2010062415/reagan-revolution-home-roost-charts

Ha this is a total non sequitur. Looking at one statistic and ignoring every other variable out there.

Has the US become more progressive or less progressive since 1945? Add that into you're equation.

One stat? LOL. We've gone to Hell under Reaganism the last 35 years, and thanks to the total BS GOP propaganda machine and cowardly corporate media, the majority don't know shytte. So you're saying no taxes of ANY KIND if income is under 50k, or just fed income tax? Because right now, if you count ALL TAXES AND FEES, we have a flat tax for EVERYONE, with all new wealth staying with the richest on average. Thanks New BS GOP.

Yea no matter what the tax plan is under the fed income tax, it always comes out to be around 18 percent of what working Americans are making. That IS the problem of the our current tax code. Thanks for proving my point that poor/middle class people are paying 18 an percent tax rate. That's a problem.

And are you honestly trying to argue the Carter era was better than the Reagan era? Our original problem is getting off of gold standard during progressive republican Nixon era. We often joke about how low the prices were back before Nixon, but this is a false equivalency, since their 50 dollars was quantitatively worth a lot more than what we call 200 dollars today. That moment is where the us went astray. Everything subsequent to this moment should be judged only by everything after this moment.

If you want to dig deep to the 40s, we're talking about a completely different economic America. Remember, it was only the Great Depression in America, and FDR extended the Great Depression for 10 years past everywhere else in the world. And if you want to look at good tax policy during this era, contrast Wilsons presidency, with Calvin Coolidges presidency....Ushered in the greatest economic growth ever in American history.

Tax Policy, Coolidge Style

Definitely the middle class better off under Carter than now. After 30 years of Voodoo: worst min. wage, work conditions, illegal work safeguards, vacations, work week, college costs, rich/poor gap, upward social mobility, % homeless and in prison EVAH, and in the modern world!!

 

[francoHFW]

poor/middle class people are paying 18 an percent tax rate. That's a problem.

can you say why??????

Jesus Christ where's my 10,000 dollars if you actually believe that government should be taking 18% of income of those making 30,000. I'm for the flat tax, but you want to tax 18% to those who make 30,000 a year? Dude get in line behind the progressives, you're one of them. Serve government before all else, that's you.

Again, you're not counting state and local taxes 10% or so for the middlers, less for the rich.