Do liberals want a parasite tax? It would seem consistent:

[francoHFW]

can you show me a real life example of a 1% getting gouged by taxes ? Good luck . I think the only person to pay full % of taxes is a lottery winner.

Let's not forget all the little fees n taxes hidden everywhere . In utility , cable , phone bills . Sales taxes , tolls , GAS TAXES!

add all this together see what people's real tax rate are. Bill Gates n I pull up to the gas station. We pay the same taxes when we fill up.

Quit falling down the well…

Only fucking morons think a progressive tax of any sort is fair… It does nothing for the country as a whole - except divide it.

If you're a braindead dupe...worked everywhere and every time EXCEPT in the brainwashed America of the last 30 years....

Venezuela, Crete, Greece, Spain, Italy... how's that working out for them?

Forget venezuala, dupe, a 3rd worlder wrecked by oil price collapse. The rest, fine till the corrupt GOP wrecked the world in 2008.

 

[sakinago]

can you show me a real life example of a 1% getting gouged by taxes ? Good luck . I think the only person to pay full % of taxes is a lottery winner.

Let's not forget all the little fees n taxes hidden everywhere . In utility , cable , phone bills . Sales taxes , tolls , GAS TAXES!

add all this together see what people's real tax rate are. Bill Gates n I pull up to the gas station. We pay the same taxes when we fill up.

Quit falling down the well…

Only fucking morons think a progressive tax of any sort is fair… It does nothing for the country as a whole - except divide it.

If you're a braindead dupe...worked everywhere and every time EXCEPT in the brainwashed America of the last 30 years....

Venezuela, Crete, Greece, Spain, Italy... how's that working out for them?

Forget venezuala, dupe, a 3rd worlder wrecked by oil price collapse. The rest, fine till the corrupt GOP wrecked the world in 2008.

So it works in every country except the ones I want to ignore. That's a funny way to make a point. There's been about 60 failed socialist countries in the past century, but we'll forget about those.

Even then, you still ignored all the European who have defaulted or are ready to default. You ignoring those too?

 

[francoHFW]

We ... sort of have a flat tax, the 35% alternative or whatever, but I've never been at that spot personally. I'm paying about 28-30% if I pull anything off the market, which admittedly isn't often as I'm pretty low maintenance...

Look at the graph. Add all taxes- we have a flat tax. With all new wealth going to the richest. That's why the rich love a flat tax.

A flat tax that doesn't begin until 50,000 helps the poor and the middle class FAR more than it helps the rich. Do you know how much more money the lower and middle class would be pocketing? Do you know how much that would stimulate the economy? That's policy that actually helps the lower and middle class. Not filtering tax money through a government that has exponentially increased the nations debt in a mere 8 years, despite record setting tax receipts coming in. Yea that's a great idea.

You're idea of helping the poor is taxing the rich. Government is to act as you're Robin Hood. I got news for you, Robin Hood didn't steal from the rich and give to the poor. Robin Hood stole from a corrupt government over taxing its citizens and gave it back to the citizens.

How many times do I have to say tax the rich AND cut them on the nonrich, idiot dupe- the Dem policy blocked for 30 years? Did you hear about the 2008 GOP WORLD DEPRESSION, numbnuts, the reason for all that debt spending? Two trillion in bailouts, up to 800 billion/year in aid to victims, STILL 2-300 billion a year- NONE due to any new policy, superdupe? Flat tax is patently unfair DUHHHH. Proven by history many times Ay caramba....

What history? And how is it patently unfair? EVERYONE PAYS THE SAME RATE PAST 50,000 dollars. Again the poor and lower middle classes taxes drop DRAMTICALLY, and it has the greatest effect on the poor. 51 percent of all working Americans make less than 30,000, and 71 percent make less than 50,000. And you're supposed to be some sort of champion for the poor? No you're a champion for the government. And no new tax policy...what?

Comprehensive List of Obama Tax Increases

Yea obama really took it to the rich there haha. You're just making stuff up and then using ad hominems.

O was finally able to raise taxes on over $400k income by 5%. So your argument is the Dems suq because they can't beat the evil GOP you vote for? Brilliant! Flat tax is a boon for the rich, as we can see by today's system and every time it's happened.

 

[francoHFW]

can you show me a real life example of a 1% getting gouged by taxes ? Good luck . I think the only person to pay full % of taxes is a lottery winner.

Let's not forget all the little fees n taxes hidden everywhere . In utility , cable , phone bills . Sales taxes , tolls , GAS TAXES!

add all this together see what people's real tax rate are. Bill Gates n I pull up to the gas station. We pay the same taxes when we fill up.

Quit falling down the well…

Only fucking morons think a progressive tax of any sort is fair… It does nothing for the country as a whole - except divide it.

If you're a braindead dupe...worked everywhere and every time EXCEPT in the brainwashed America of the last 30 years....

Venezuela, Crete, Greece, Spain, Italy... how's that working out for them?

Forget venezuala, dupe, a 3rd worlder wrecked by oil price collapse. The rest, fine till the corrupt GOP wrecked the world in 2008.

So it works in every country except the ones I want to ignore. That's a funny way to make a point. There's been about 60 failed socialist countries in the past century, but we'll forget about those.

Even then, you still ignored all the European who have defaulted or are ready to default. You ignoring those too?

We're socialist too, since ACA. But a pander to the rich GOP mess. "We're all socialists now!" Finland PM when ACA passed...Yes, we're talking modern countries. Original EU, Canada, Oz, NZ, Japan, and US (on probation).

 

[sakinago]

We ... sort of have a flat tax, the 35% alternative or whatever, but I've never been at that spot personally. I'm paying about 28-30% if I pull anything off the market, which admittedly isn't often as I'm pretty low maintenance...

Look at the graph. Add all taxes- we have a flat tax. With all new wealth going to the richest. That's why the rich love a flat tax.

A flat tax that doesn't begin until 50,000 helps the poor and the middle class FAR more than it helps the rich. Do you know how much more money the lower and middle class would be pocketing? Do you know how much that would stimulate the economy? That's policy that actually helps the lower and middle class. Not filtering tax money through a government that has exponentially increased the nations debt in a mere 8 years, despite record setting tax receipts coming in. Yea that's a great idea.

You're idea of helping the poor is taxing the rich. Government is to act as you're Robin Hood. I got news for you, Robin Hood didn't steal from the rich and give to the poor. Robin Hood stole from a corrupt government over taxing its citizens and gave it back to the citizens.

How many times do I have to say tax the rich AND cut them on the nonrich, idiot dupe- the Dem policy blocked for 30 years? Did you hear about the 2008 GOP WORLD DEPRESSION, numbnuts, the reason for all that debt spending? Two trillion in bailouts, up to 800 billion/year in aid to victims, STILL 2-300 billion a year- NONE due to any new policy, superdupe? Flat tax is patently unfair DUHHHH. Proven by history many times Ay caramba....

What history? And how is it patently unfair? EVERYONE PAYS THE SAME RATE PAST 50,000 dollars. Again the poor and lower middle classes taxes drop DRAMTICALLY, and it has the greatest effect on the poor. 51 percent of all working Americans make less than 30,000, and 71 percent make less than 50,000. And you're supposed to be some sort of champion for the poor? No you're a champion for the government. And no new tax policy...what?

Comprehensive List of Obama Tax Increases

Yea obama really took it to the rich there haha. You're just making stuff up and then using ad hominems.

O was finally able to raise taxes on over $400k income by 5%. So your argument is the Dems suq because they can't beat the evil GOP you vote for? Brilliant! Flat tax is a boon for the rich, as we can see by today's system and every time it's happened.

And what about the other 20 new taxes policies you previously said didn't exist haha. He really hit the rich with those didn't he.

 

[sakinago]

We ... sort of have a flat tax, the 35% alternative or whatever, but I've never been at that spot personally. I'm paying about 28-30% if I pull anything off the market, which admittedly isn't often as I'm pretty low maintenance...

Look at the graph. Add all taxes- we have a flat tax. With all new wealth going to the richest. That's why the rich love a flat tax.

A flat tax that doesn't begin until 50,000 helps the poor and the middle class FAR more than it helps the rich. Do you know how much more money the lower and middle class would be pocketing? Do you know how much that would stimulate the economy? That's policy that actually helps the lower and middle class. Not filtering tax money through a government that has exponentially increased the nations debt in a mere 8 years, despite record setting tax receipts coming in. Yea that's a great idea.

You're idea of helping the poor is taxing the rich. Government is to act as you're Robin Hood. I got news for you, Robin Hood didn't steal from the rich and give to the poor. Robin Hood stole from a corrupt government over taxing its citizens and gave it back to the citizens.

How many times do I have to say tax the rich AND cut them on the nonrich, idiot dupe- the Dem policy blocked for 30 years? Did you hear about the 2008 GOP WORLD DEPRESSION, numbnuts, the reason for all that debt spending? Two trillion in bailouts, up to 800 billion/year in aid to victims, STILL 2-300 billion a year- NONE due to any new policy, superdupe? Flat tax is patently unfair DUHHHH. Proven by history many times Ay caramba....

What history? And how is it patently unfair? EVERYONE PAYS THE SAME RATE PAST 50,000 dollars. Again the poor and lower middle classes taxes drop DRAMTICALLY, and it has the greatest effect on the poor. 51 percent of all working Americans make less than 30,000, and 71 percent make less than 50,000. And you're supposed to be some sort of champion for the poor? No you're a champion for the government. And no new tax policy...what?

Comprehensive List of Obama Tax Increases

Yea obama really took it to the rich there haha. You're just making stuff up and then using ad hominems.

O was finally able to raise taxes on over $400k income by 5%. So your argument is the Dems suq because they can't beat the evil GOP you vote for? Brilliant! Flat tax is a boon for the rich, as we can see by today's system and every time it's happened.

So you're denying that flat overwhelmingly helps the poor? You continually claim it only helps the rich...and you say I'm brain washed haha

 

[sakinago]

Quit falling down the well…

Only fucking morons think a progressive tax of any sort is fair… It does nothing for the country as a whole - except divide it.

If you're a braindead dupe...worked everywhere and every time EXCEPT in the brainwashed America of the last 30 years....

Venezuela, Crete, Greece, Spain, Italy... how's that working out for them?

Forget venezuala, dupe, a 3rd worlder wrecked by oil price collapse. The rest, fine till the corrupt GOP wrecked the world in 2008.

So it works in every country except the ones I want to ignore. That's a funny way to make a point. There's been about 60 failed socialist countries in the past century, but we'll forget about those.

Even then, you still ignored all the European who have defaulted or are ready to default. You ignoring those too?

We're socialist too, since ACA. But a pander to the rich GOP mess. "We're all socialists now!" Finland PM when ACA passed...Yes, we're talking modern countries. Original EU, Canada, Oz, NZ, Japan, and US (on probation).

We've been a hybrid socialized country for a while, progressing more and more to socialism, yet are wage gap keeps growing and growing, what's up with that.

 

[francoHFW]

If you're a braindead dupe...worked everywhere and every time EXCEPT in the brainwashed America of the last 30 years....

Venezuela, Crete, Greece, Spain, Italy... how's that working out for them?

Forget venezuala, dupe, a 3rd worlder wrecked by oil price collapse. The rest, fine till the corrupt GOP wrecked the world in 2008.

So it works in every country except the ones I want to ignore. That's a funny way to make a point. There's been about 60 failed socialist countries in the past century, but we'll forget about those.

Even then, you still ignored all the European who have defaulted or are ready to default. You ignoring those too?

We're socialist too, since ACA. But a pander to the rich GOP mess. "We're all socialists now!" Finland PM when ACA passed...Yes, we're talking modern countries. Original EU, Canada, Oz, NZ, Japan, and US (on probation).

We've been a hybrid socialized country for a while, progressing more and more to socialism, yet are wage gap keeps growing and growing, what's up with that.

After 30 years of Voodoo: worst min. wage, work conditions, illegal work safeguards, vacations, work week, college costs, rich/poor gap, upward social mobility, % homeless and in prison EVAH, and in the modern world!!

 

[francoHFW]

If you're a braindead dupe...worked everywhere and every time EXCEPT in the brainwashed America of the last 30 years....

Venezuela, Crete, Greece, Spain, Italy... how's that working out for them?

Forget venezuala, dupe, a 3rd worlder wrecked by oil price collapse. The rest, fine till the corrupt GOP wrecked the world in 2008.

So it works in every country except the ones I want to ignore. That's a funny way to make a point. There's been about 60 failed socialist countries in the past century, but we'll forget about those.

Even then, you still ignored all the European who have defaulted or are ready to default. You ignoring those too?

We're socialist too, since ACA. But a pander to the rich GOP mess. "We're all socialists now!" Finland PM when ACA passed...Yes, we're talking modern countries. Original EU, Canada, Oz, NZ, Japan, and US (on probation).

We've been a hybrid socialized country for a while, progressing more and more to socialism, yet are wage gap keeps growing and growing, what's up with that.

See if you can spot it lol:

The Demise of the American Middle Class In Numbers.

Over the past 35 years the American dream has gradually disappeared. The process was slow, so most people didn’t notice. They just worked a few more hours, borrowed a little more and cut back on non-essentials. But looking at the numbers and comparing them over long time periods, it is obvious that things have changed drastically. Here are the details:

1. WORKERS PRODUCE MORE BUT THE GAINS GO TO BUSINESS.

Over the past 63 years worker productivity has grown by 2.0% per year.

But after 1980, workers received a smaller share every year. Labor’s share of income (1992 = 100%):

1950 = 101%
1960 = 105%
1970 = 105%
1980 = 105% – Reagan
1990 = 100%
2000 = 96%
2007 = 92%

A 13% drop since 1980

2. THE TOP 10% GET A LARGER SHARE.

Share of National Income going to Top 10%:

1950 = 35%
1960 = 34%
1970 = 34%
1980 = 34% – Reagan
1990 = 40%
2000 = 47%
2007 = 50%

An increase of 16% since Reagan.

3. WORKERS COMPENSATED FOR THE LOSS OF INCOME BY SPENDING THEIR SAVINGS.

The savings Rose up to Reagan and fell during and after.

1950 = 6.0%
1960 = 7.0%
1970 = 8.5%
1980 = 10.0% – Reagan
1982 = 11.2% – Peak
1990 = 7.0%
2000 = 2.0%
2006 = -1.1% (Negative = withdrawing from savings)

A 12.3% drop after Reagan.

4. WORKERS ALSO BORROWED TO MAKE UP FOR THE LOSS.

Household Debt as percentage of GDP:

1965 = 46%
1970 = 45%
1980 = 50% – Reagan
1990 = 61%
2000 = 69%
2007 = 95%

A 45% increase after 1980.

5. SO THE GAP BETWEEN THE RICHEST AND THE POOREST HAS GROWN.

Gap Between the Share of Capital Income earned by the top 1%
and the bottom 80%:

1980 = 10%
2003 = 56%

A 5.6 times increase.

6. AND THE AMERICAN DREAM IS GONE.

The Probably of Moving Up from the Bottom 40% to the Top 40%:

1945 = 12%
1958 = 6%
1990 = 3%
2000 = 2%

A 10% Decrease.

Links:

1 = ftp://ftp.bls.gov/pub/special.requests/pf/totalf1.txt
1 = https://www.clevelandfed.org/Research/PolicyDis/No7Nov04.pdf
1 = Clipboard01.jpg (image)
2 – http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/blog/09/04/27/CongratulationstoEmmanuelSaez/
3 = http://www.demos.org/inequality/images/charts/uspersonalsaving_thumb.gif
3 = U.S. Bureau of Economic Analysis (BEA)
4 = http://www.prudentbear.com/index.php/household-sector-debt-of-gdp
4 = http://www.federalreserve.gov/releases/z1/current/
5/6 = http://www.businessinsider.com/15-c...lity-in-america-2010-4?slop=1#slideshow-start

Overview = http://www.ourfuture.org/blog-entry/2010062415/reagan-revolution-home-roost-charts

 

[sakinago]

Venezuela, Crete, Greece, Spain, Italy... how's that working out for them?

Forget venezuala, dupe, a 3rd worlder wrecked by oil price collapse. The rest, fine till the corrupt GOP wrecked the world in 2008.

So it works in every country except the ones I want to ignore. That's a funny way to make a point. There's been about 60 failed socialist countries in the past century, but we'll forget about those.

Even then, you still ignored all the European who have defaulted or are ready to default. You ignoring those too?

We're socialist too, since ACA. But a pander to the rich GOP mess. "We're all socialists now!" Finland PM when ACA passed...Yes, we're talking modern countries. Original EU, Canada, Oz, NZ, Japan, and US (on probation).

We've been a hybrid socialized country for a while, progressing more and more to socialism, yet are wage gap keeps growing and growing, what's up with that.

After 30 years of Voodoo: worst min. wage, work conditions, illegal work safeguards, vacations, work week, college costs, rich/poor gap, upward social mobility, % homeless and in prison EVAH, and in the modern world!!

You've said that before, and we keep adding progressive policies making it worse... let's keep taking away more competition, yea that helps.

Have you rethought your position on why our internet blows?

 

[francoHFW]

Look at the graph. Add all taxes- we have a flat tax. With all new wealth going to the richest. That's why the rich love a flat tax.

A flat tax that doesn't begin until 50,000 helps the poor and the middle class FAR more than it helps the rich. Do you know how much more money the lower and middle class would be pocketing? Do you know how much that would stimulate the economy? That's policy that actually helps the lower and middle class. Not filtering tax money through a government that has exponentially increased the nations debt in a mere 8 years, despite record setting tax receipts coming in. Yea that's a great idea.

You're idea of helping the poor is taxing the rich. Government is to act as you're Robin Hood. I got news for you, Robin Hood didn't steal from the rich and give to the poor. Robin Hood stole from a corrupt government over taxing its citizens and gave it back to the citizens.

How many times do I have to say tax the rich AND cut them on the nonrich, idiot dupe- the Dem policy blocked for 30 years? Did you hear about the 2008 GOP WORLD DEPRESSION, numbnuts, the reason for all that debt spending? Two trillion in bailouts, up to 800 billion/year in aid to victims, STILL 2-300 billion a year- NONE due to any new policy, superdupe? Flat tax is patently unfair DUHHHH. Proven by history many times Ay caramba....

What history? And how is it patently unfair? EVERYONE PAYS THE SAME RATE PAST 50,000 dollars. Again the poor and lower middle classes taxes drop DRAMTICALLY, and it has the greatest effect on the poor. 51 percent of all working Americans make less than 30,000, and 71 percent make less than 50,000. And you're supposed to be some sort of champion for the poor? No you're a champion for the government. And no new tax policy...what?

Comprehensive List of Obama Tax Increases

Yea obama really took it to the rich there haha. You're just making stuff up and then using ad hominems.

O was finally able to raise taxes on over $400k income by 5%. So your argument is the Dems suq because they can't beat the evil GOP you vote for? Brilliant! Flat tax is a boon for the rich, as we can see by today's system and every time it's happened.

So you're denying that flat overwhelmingly helps the poor? You continually claim it only helps the rich...and you say I'm brain washed haha

Why a Flat-Rate Tax is Unfair: A Quick Overview of America's Wealth Inequality and Tax Structure

 

[sartre play]

Its a shell game, get enough people to blame most of our problems on the people with the least money ( power)while those with the most money & power rip us off. it seems to be working. guess there right that they should be running every thing because there smarter than us half of us went for the shell game.

 

[francoHFW]

Forget venezuala, dupe, a 3rd worlder wrecked by oil price collapse. The rest, fine till the corrupt GOP wrecked the world in 2008.

So it works in every country except the ones I want to ignore. That's a funny way to make a point. There's been about 60 failed socialist countries in the past century, but we'll forget about those.

Even then, you still ignored all the European who have defaulted or are ready to default. You ignoring those too?

We're socialist too, since ACA. But a pander to the rich GOP mess. "We're all socialists now!" Finland PM when ACA passed...Yes, we're talking modern countries. Original EU, Canada, Oz, NZ, Japan, and US (on probation).

We've been a hybrid socialized country for a while, progressing more and more to socialism, yet are wage gap keeps growing and growing, what's up with that.

After 30 years of Voodoo: worst min. wage, work conditions, illegal work safeguards, vacations, work week, college costs, rich/poor gap, upward social mobility, % homeless and in prison EVAH, and in the modern world!!

You've said that before, and we keep adding progressive policies making it worse... let's keep taking away more competition, yea that helps.

Have you rethought your position on why our internet blows?

The HELL we add progressive policies. Reaganism rolls on. I'm not against competition. You'll never guess which party is totally bought by big money...

 

[francoHFW]

See if you can spot the problem duh:

The Demise of the American Middle Class In Numbers.

Over the past 35 years the American dream has gradually disappeared. The process was slow, so most people didn’t notice. They just worked a few more hours, borrowed a little more and cut back on non-essentials. But looking at the numbers and comparing them over long time periods, it is obvious that things have changed drastically. Here are the details:

1. WORKERS PRODUCE MORE BUT THE GAINS GO TO BUSINESS.

Over the past 63 years worker productivity has grown by 2.0% per year.

But after 1980, workers received a smaller share every year. Labor’s share of income (1992 = 100%):

1950 = 101%
1960 = 105%
1970 = 105%
1980 = 105% – Reagan
1990 = 100%
2000 = 96%
2007 = 92%

A 13% drop since 1980

2. THE TOP 10% GET A LARGER SHARE.

Share of National Income going to Top 10%:

1950 = 35%
1960 = 34%
1970 = 34%
1980 = 34% – Reagan
1990 = 40%
2000 = 47%
2007 = 50%

An increase of 16% since Reagan.

3. WORKERS COMPENSATED FOR THE LOSS OF INCOME BY SPENDING THEIR SAVINGS.

The savings Rose up to Reagan and fell during and after.

1950 = 6.0%
1960 = 7.0%
1970 = 8.5%
1980 = 10.0% – Reagan
1982 = 11.2% – Peak
1990 = 7.0%
2000 = 2.0%
2006 = -1.1% (Negative = withdrawing from savings)

A 12.3% drop after Reagan.

4. WORKERS ALSO BORROWED TO MAKE UP FOR THE LOSS.

Household Debt as percentage of GDP:

1965 = 46%
1970 = 45%
1980 = 50% – Reagan
1990 = 61%
2000 = 69%
2007 = 95%

A 45% increase after 1980.

5. SO THE GAP BETWEEN THE RICHEST AND THE POOREST HAS GROWN.

Gap Between the Share of Capital Income earned by the top 1%
and the bottom 80%:

1980 = 10%
2003 = 56%

A 5.6 times increase.

6. AND THE AMERICAN DREAM IS GONE.

The Probably of Moving Up from the Bottom 40% to the Top 40%:

1945 = 12%
1958 = 6%
1990 = 3%
2000 = 2%

A 10% Decrease.

Links:

1 = ftp://ftp.bls.gov/pub/special.requests/pf/totalf1.txt
1 = https://www.clevelandfed.org/Research/PolicyDis/No7Nov04.pdf
1 = Clipboard01.jpg (image)
2 – http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/blog/09/04/27/CongratulationstoEmmanuelSaez/
3 = http://www.demos.org/inequality/images/charts/uspersonalsaving_thumb.gif
3 = U.S. Bureau of Economic Analysis (BEA)
4 = http://www.prudentbear.com/index.php/household-sector-debt-of-gdp
4 = http://www.federalreserve.gov/releases/z1/current/
5/6 = http://www.businessinsider.com/15-c...lity-in-america-2010-4?slop=1#slideshow-start

Overview = http://www.ourfuture.org/blog-entry/2010062415/reagan-revolution-home-roost-charts

 

[sakinago]

A flat tax that doesn't begin until 50,000 helps the poor and the middle class FAR more than it helps the rich. Do you know how much more money the lower and middle class would be pocketing? Do you know how much that would stimulate the economy? That's policy that actually helps the lower and middle class. Not filtering tax money through a government that has exponentially increased the nations debt in a mere 8 years, despite record setting tax receipts coming in. Yea that's a great idea.

You're idea of helping the poor is taxing the rich. Government is to act as you're Robin Hood. I got news for you, Robin Hood didn't steal from the rich and give to the poor. Robin Hood stole from a corrupt government over taxing its citizens and gave it back to the citizens.

How many times do I have to say tax the rich AND cut them on the nonrich, idiot dupe- the Dem policy blocked for 30 years? Did you hear about the 2008 GOP WORLD DEPRESSION, numbnuts, the reason for all that debt spending? Two trillion in bailouts, up to 800 billion/year in aid to victims, STILL 2-300 billion a year- NONE due to any new policy, superdupe? Flat tax is patently unfair DUHHHH. Proven by history many times Ay caramba....

What history? And how is it patently unfair? EVERYONE PAYS THE SAME RATE PAST 50,000 dollars. Again the poor and lower middle classes taxes drop DRAMTICALLY, and it has the greatest effect on the poor. 51 percent of all working Americans make less than 30,000, and 71 percent make less than 50,000. And you're supposed to be some sort of champion for the poor? No you're a champion for the government. And no new tax policy...what?

Comprehensive List of Obama Tax Increases

Yea obama really took it to the rich there haha. You're just making stuff up and then using ad hominems.

O was finally able to raise taxes on over $400k income by 5%. So your argument is the Dems suq because they can't beat the evil GOP you vote for? Brilliant! Flat tax is a boon for the rich, as we can see by today's system and every time it's happened.

So you're denying that flat overwhelmingly helps the poor? You continually claim it only helps the rich...and you say I'm brain washed haha

Why a Flat-Rate Tax is Unfair: A Quick Overview of America's Wealth Inequality and Tax Structure

This link (from dailykos I might add, might as well find something from cosmo) is not loading.

But again 71% of working Americans, making less than 50,000 would not pay taxes. And this isn't good for the poor/middle class how?

You just love glassing over facts that don't fit you're worldview. You going to use another ad hominem in response?

 

[Cellblock2429]

Top 1% earn 90% of the income . Shouldn't they pay 90% of income tax? They are getting away with measly 44%! Thieves !

they don't pay more in a supermarket so why should they pay more for govt????

top1% earn 20% of income not 90%. Feel stupid and liberal???

/---- Timmy should pay the Stupid Tax for his last post.

 

[francoHFW]

How many times do I have to say tax the rich AND cut them on the nonrich, idiot dupe- the Dem policy blocked for 30 years? Did you hear about the 2008 GOP WORLD DEPRESSION, numbnuts, the reason for all that debt spending? Two trillion in bailouts, up to 800 billion/year in aid to victims, STILL 2-300 billion a year- NONE due to any new policy, superdupe? Flat tax is patently unfair DUHHHH. Proven by history many times Ay caramba....

What history? And how is it patently unfair? EVERYONE PAYS THE SAME RATE PAST 50,000 dollars. Again the poor and lower middle classes taxes drop DRAMTICALLY, and it has the greatest effect on the poor. 51 percent of all working Americans make less than 30,000, and 71 percent make less than 50,000. And you're supposed to be some sort of champion for the poor? No you're a champion for the government. And no new tax policy...what?

Comprehensive List of Obama Tax Increases

Yea obama really took it to the rich there haha. You're just making stuff up and then using ad hominems.

O was finally able to raise taxes on over $400k income by 5%. So your argument is the Dems suq because they can't beat the evil GOP you vote for? Brilliant! Flat tax is a boon for the rich, as we can see by today's system and every time it's happened.

So you're denying that flat overwhelmingly helps the poor? You continually claim it only helps the rich...and you say I'm brain washed haha

Why a Flat-Rate Tax is Unfair: A Quick Overview of America's Wealth Inequality and Tax Structure

This link (from dailykos I might add, might as well find something from cosmo) is not loading.

But again 71% of working Americans, making less than 50,000 would not pay taxes. And this isn't good for the poor/middle class how?

You just love glassing over facts that don't fit you're worldview. You going to use another ad hominem in response?

No, that's fine. But unrealistic. And skews to the rich still, as all flat taxes do.

 

[francoHFW]

What history? And how is it patently unfair? EVERYONE PAYS THE SAME RATE PAST 50,000 dollars. Again the poor and lower middle classes taxes drop DRAMTICALLY, and it has the greatest effect on the poor. 51 percent of all working Americans make less than 30,000, and 71 percent make less than 50,000. And you're supposed to be some sort of champion for the poor? No you're a champion for the government. And no new tax policy...what?

Comprehensive List of Obama Tax Increases

Yea obama really took it to the rich there haha. You're just making stuff up and then using ad hominems.

O was finally able to raise taxes on over $400k income by 5%. So your argument is the Dems suq because they can't beat the evil GOP you vote for? Brilliant! Flat tax is a boon for the rich, as we can see by today's system and every time it's happened.

So you're denying that flat overwhelmingly helps the poor? You continually claim it only helps the rich...and you say I'm brain washed haha

Why a Flat-Rate Tax is Unfair: A Quick Overview of America's Wealth Inequality and Tax Structure

This link (from dailykos I might add, might as well find something from cosmo) is not loading.

But again 71% of working Americans, making less than 50,000 would not pay taxes. And this isn't good for the poor/middle class how?

You just love glassing over facts that don't fit you're worldview. You going to use another ad hominem in response?

No, that's fine. But unrealistic. And skews to the rich still, as all flat taxes do.

None of those Obama taxes are on the nonrich except Cigs. Go to the res...

 

[francoHFW]

O was finally able to raise taxes on over $400k income by 5%. So your argument is the Dems suq because they can't beat the evil GOP you vote for? Brilliant! Flat tax is a boon for the rich, as we can see by today's system and every time it's happened.

So you're denying that flat overwhelmingly helps the poor? You continually claim it only helps the rich...and you say I'm brain washed haha

Why a Flat-Rate Tax is Unfair: A Quick Overview of America's Wealth Inequality and Tax Structure

This link (from dailykos I might add, might as well find something from cosmo) is not loading.

But again 71% of working Americans, making less than 50,000 would not pay taxes. And this isn't good for the poor/middle class how?

You just love glassing over facts that don't fit you're worldview. You going to use another ad hominem in response?

No, that's fine. But unrealistic. And skews to the rich still, as all flat taxes do.

None of those Obama taxes are on the nonrich except Cigs. Go to the res...

And what about property, state and local taxes and fees, payroll taxes etc? Brainwashed with Fed income taxes like all RWers?

 

[Wyatt earp]

can you show me a real life example of a 1% getting gouged by taxes ? Good luck . I think the only person to pay full % of taxes is a lottery winner.

Let's not forget all the little fees n taxes hidden everywhere . In utility , cable , phone bills . Sales taxes , tolls , GAS TAXES!

add all this together see what people's real tax rate are. Bill Gates n I pull up to the gas station. We pay the same taxes when we fill up.

Former SNL cast member and star of The Critic Jon Lovitz profanely lit into President Obama during hisABC’s of SNL podcast on Monday.




“This whole thing with Obama saying the rich don’t pay their taxes is fucking bullshit. And I voted for the guy and I’m a Democrat. What a fucking asshole,” Lovitz fumed.

“The rich don’t pay their taxes? Let me tell you something, right,” Lovitz added. “First they tell you–you’re dead broke–This is the United States of America, you can do anything you want, go for it. So then you go for it, and then you make it, and everyone’s like, Fuck you.”



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