Do liberals want a parasite tax? It would seem consistent:

[debbiedowner]

wouldn't red states pay the most parasite tax?

sounds good

Red states are already welfare moochers.

They smart you stupid


.

And you're a fucking idiot if you think it's smart to work the system and receive welfare. Hell you're probably one of them.

 

[Wyatt earp]

Total BS, dupe.
they've been hurt by GOP pander to the rich for 35 years. Opportunities have been slashed to cut taxes on the rich, dupe.

At the heart of the debate over "the 47 percent" is an awful abuse of tax data.

This entire conversation is the result of a (largely successful) effort to redefine the debate over taxes from "how much in taxes do you pay" to "how much in federal income taxes do you pay?" This is good framing if you want to cut taxes on the rich. It's bad framing if you want to have even a basic understanding of who pays how much in taxes.

There's a reason some would prefer that more limited conversation. For most Americans, payroll and state and local taxes make up the majority of their tax bill. The federal income tax, by contrast, is our most progressive tax -- it's the tax we've designed to place the heaviest burden on the rich while bypassing the poor. And we've done that, again, because the working class is already paying a fairly high tax bill through payroll and state and local taxes.

But most people don't know very much about the tax code. And the federal income tax is still our most famous tax. So when they hear that half of Americans aren't paying federal income taxes, they're outraged -- even if they're among the folks who have a net negative tax burden! After all, they know they're paying taxes, and there's no reason for normal human beings to assume that the taxes getting taken out of their paycheck every week and some of the taxes they pay at the end of the year aren't classified as "federal income taxes."

Confining the discussion to the federal income tax plays another role, too: It makes the tax code look much more progressive than it actually is.

Take someone who makes $4 million dollars a year and someone who makes $40,000 a year. The person making $4 million dollars, assuming he's not doing some Romney-esque planning, is paying a 35 percent tax on most of that money. The person making $40,000 is probably paying no income tax at all. So that makes the system look really unfair to the rich guy.

That's the basic analysis of the 47 percent line. And it's a basic analysis that serves a purpose: It makes further tax cuts for the rich sound more reasonable.

But what if we did the same thing for the payroll tax? Remember, the payroll tax only applies to first $110,100 or so, our rich friends is only paying payroll taxes on 2.7 percent of his income. The guy making $40,000? He's paying payroll taxes on every dollar of his income. Now who's not getting a fair shake?

Which is why, if you want to understand who's paying what in taxes, you don't want to just look at federal income taxes, or federal payroll taxes, or state sales taxes -- you want to look at total taxes. And, luckily, the tax analysis group Citizens for Tax Justice keeps those numbers. So here is total taxes -- which includes corporate taxes, income taxes, payroll taxes, state sales taxes, and more -- paid by different income groups and broken into federal and state and local burdens:

As you can see, the poorer you are, the more state and local taxes bite into your income. As you get richer, those taxes recede, and you're mainly getting hit be federal taxes. So that's another lesson: When you omit state and local taxes from your analysis, you're omitting the taxes that hit lower-income taxpayers hardest.

But here is really the only tax graph you need: It's total tax burden by income group. And as you'll see, every income group is paying something, and the rich aren't paying much more, as a percentage of their incomes, then the middle class.https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...-data/&usg=AFQjCNE_8LZl_VB-o4FAbNsJrxLxLCPy8g

working class is already paying a fairly high tax bill through payroll and state and local taxes.



Refresh our memory why people in blue states and cities pay a higher taxes in state and local?


Uhm could it be, just possibly they vote against their wallets by voting democrat dupe?


.

You're stepping on his dillusion man.

DELUSION, dupe. And NO. Welre very happy in our red states, thanks- Enjoy your back water crappy education and infrastructure- unless blue states and the feds are helping your dumbasses...lol. AGAIN, ALL STATES AND NONRICH are paying too much and getting screwed by GOP pander to the greedy idiot brainwashing rich policies.

The only person delusional is you.... Picture of Greenville SC after the Republicans took over the city and state from the back water democrats...

SOuth Carolina is a dump !

It's been in the union forever, has warm weather and a coastline , and still NOBODY lives there!

What's the biggest city ? Columbia ? 200,000 maybe ?

Say that why you freeze to death in January while I go to work in my shorts sucker.

 

[sakinago]

Communist countries felt every able bodied person should be out working hard to build the communist paradise or to at least contribute to society. To discourage parasites they often had a so called "parasite tax". If someone got a job in a certain time frame the tax would often be refunded as an incentive.
In our society the top 1% for example pay 44% of all income tax and often supply millions of jobs and great innovative products while the bottom 1% pay no taxes and create no jobs or products. It seems that liberals mthey've been hurt by GOP pander to the rich for 35 years. Opportunities have been slashed to cut taxes on the rich, dupe.

At the heart of the debate over "the 47 percent" is an awful abuse of tax data.

This entire conversation is the result of a (largely successful) effort to redefine the debate over taxes from "how much in taxes do you pay" to "how much in federal income taxes do you pay?" This is good framing if you want to cut taxes on the rich. It's bad framing if you want to have even a basic understanding of who pays how much in taxes.

There's a reason some would prefer that more limited conversation. For most Americans, payroll and state and local taxes make up the majority of their tax bill. The federal income tax, by contrast, is our most progressive tax -- it's the tax we've designed to place the heaviest burden on the rich while bypassing the poor. And we've done that, again, because the working class is already paying a fairly high tax bill through payroll and state and local taxes.

But most people don't know very much about the tax code. And the federal income tax is still our most famous tax. So when they hear that half of Americans aren't paying federal income taxes, they're outraged -- even if they're among the folks who have a net negative tax burden! After all, they know they're paying taxes, and there's no reason for normal human beings to assume that the taxes getting taken out of their paycheck every week and some of the taxes they pay at the end of the year aren't classified as "federal income taxes."

Confining the discussion to the federal income tax plays another role, too: It makes the tax code look much more progressive than it actually is.

Take someone who makes $4 million dollars a year and someone who makes $40,000 a year. The person making $4 million dollars, assuming he's not doing some Romney-esque planning, is paying a 35 percent tax on most of that money. The person making $40,000 is probably paying no income tax at all. So that makes the system look really unfair to the rich guy.

That's the basic analysis of the 47 percent line. And it's a basic analysis that serves a purpose: It makes further tax cuts for the rich sound more reasonable.

But what if we did the same thing for the payroll tax? Remember, the payroll tax only applies to first $110,100 or so, our rich friends is only paying payroll taxes on 2.7 percent of his income. The guy making $40,000? He's paying payroll taxes on every dollar of his income. Now who's not getting a fair shake?

Which is why, if you want to understand who's paying what in taxes, you don't want to just look at federal income taxes, or federal payroll taxes, or state sales taxes -- you want to look at total taxes. And, luckily, the tax analysis group Citizens for Tax Justice keeps those numbers. So here is total taxes -- which includes corporate taxes, income taxes, payroll taxes, state sales taxes, and more -- paid by different income groups and broken into federal and state and local burdens:

As you can see, the poorer you are, the more state and local taxes bite into your income. As you get richer, those taxes recede, and you're mainly getting hit be federal taxes. So that's another lesson: When you omit state and local taxes from your analysis, you're omitting the taxes that hit lower-income taxpayers hardest.

But here is really the only tax graph you need: It's total tax burden by income group. And as you'll see, every income group is paying something, and the rich aren't paying much more, as a percentage of their incomes, then the middle class.https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...-data/&usg=AFQjCNE_8LZl_VB-o4FAbNsJrxLxLCPy8gight want a parasite tax on these people to encourage them to pay their fair share??

Total BS, dupe.
they've been hurt by GOP pander to the rich for 35 years. Opportunities have been slashed to cut taxes on the rich, dupe.

At the heart of the debate over "the 47 percent" is an awful abuse of tax data.

This entire conversation is the result of a (largely successful) effort to redefine the debate over taxes from "how much in taxes do you pay" to "how much in federal income taxes do you pay?" This is good framing if you want to cut taxes on the rich. It's bad framing if you want to have even a basic understanding of who pays how much in taxes.

There's a reason some would prefer that more limited conversation. For most Americans, payroll and state and local taxes make up the majority of their tax bill. The federal income tax, by contrast, is our most progressive tax -- it's the tax we've designed to place the heaviest burden on the rich while bypassing the poor. And we've done that, again, because the working class is already paying a fairly high tax bill through payroll and state and local taxes.

But most people don't know very much about the tax code. And the federal income tax is still our most famous tax. So when they hear that half of Americans aren't paying federal income taxes, they're outraged -- even if they're among the folks who have a net negative tax burden! After all, they know they're paying taxes, and there's no reason for normal human beings to assume that the taxes getting taken out of their paycheck every week and some of the taxes they pay at the end of the year aren't classified as "federal income taxes."

Confining the discussion to the federal income tax plays another role, too: It makes the tax code look much more progressive than it actually is.

Take someone who makes $4 million dollars a year and someone who makes $40,000 a year. The person making $4 million dollars, assuming he's not doing some Romney-esque planning, is paying a 35 percent tax on most of that money. The person making $40,000 is probably paying no income tax at all. So that makes the system look really unfair to the rich guy.

That's the basic analysis of the 47 percent line. And it's a basic analysis that serves a purpose: It makes further tax cuts for the rich sound more reasonable.

But what if we did the same thing for the payroll tax? Remember, the payroll tax only applies to first $110,100 or so, our rich friends is only paying payroll taxes on 2.7 percent of his income. The guy making $40,000? He's paying payroll taxes on every dollar of his income. Now who's not getting a fair shake?

Which is why, if you want to understand who's paying what in taxes, you don't want to just look at federal income taxes, or federal payroll taxes, or state sales taxes -- you want to look at total taxes. And, luckily, the tax analysis group Citizens for Tax Justice keeps those numbers. So here is total taxes -- which includes corporate taxes, income taxes, payroll taxes, state sales taxes, and more -- paid by different income groups and broken into federal and state and local burdens:

As you can see, the poorer you are, the more state and local taxes bite into your income. As you get richer, those taxes recede, and you're mainly getting hit be federal taxes. So that's another lesson: When you omit state and local taxes from your analysis, you're omitting the taxes that hit lower-income taxpayers hardest.

But here is really the only tax graph you need: It's total tax burden by income group. And as you'll see, every income group is paying something, and the rich aren't paying much more, as a percentage of their incomes, then the middle class.https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...-data/&usg=AFQjCNE_8LZl_VB-o4FAbNsJrxLxLCPy8g

working class is already paying a fairly high tax bill through payroll and state and local taxes.



Refresh our memory why people in blue states and cities pay a higher taxes in state and local?


Uhm could it be, just possibly they vote against their wallets by voting democrat dupe?


.

They like good services and don't like mooching off the federal gov't and other states?

IRRELEVANT to this argument, which is that the GOP has cut taxes mainly on the rich the last 35 years, due to less fed aid the states have raised THEIR taxes- which kill the NONRICH- YOU DUPES, and now we basically have a flat tax system that is pander to the rich GOP idiocy. And you are duped by GOP bs propaganda into thinking the rich pay a lot %wise. Get it, ferchrissake?

They cut taxes, it mainly effects the rich the most, since the rich pay the most in our progressive income tax system. What flat tax says, is that rich don't have less rights than everyone else. The only ones who don't pay the flat tax is those who make 50,000 or less. You get taxed on everything you make past you're first 50,000. It's even and fair for the rich, the poor, and those in between. The rights goal is not tax cuts for the rich. That's a petty false strawman. Sure there are plenty of republican politicians working for the rich donors. There's plenty of Dems (even though they say they aren't) that are also fighting for their rich donors (at least just as much if not more). It's all a play for power that involves pitting both sides against each other while you rob them blind. And both sides are getting duped

No, dumbass, the rich used to pay MORE %WISE, up to 90% on over a million in today's dollars. Today their top rate is 40% and their are PLENTY of GOP loopholes so they pay the same %WISE as the middle class and we have no money for infrastructure and education. The Dems want the opposite, and you are a brainwashed functional MORON. WAKE UP!!!

Really? We pay more per student than any other country, yet we keep falling in the education rankings. And we also spend more on infrastructure as well.

Infrastructure Gap? Look at the Facts. We Spend More Than Europe

And we added more to national debt in the last 8 years than all of our nations history combined. So do we have a revenue problem or a spending problem?

 

[Timmy]

Here ya go. Top states are a sea of blue . Mine is #1! Go Mass!

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/rankings

 

[Wyatt earp]

wouldn't red states pay the most parasite tax?

sounds good

Red states are already welfare moochers.

They smart you stupid


.

And you're a fucking idiot if you think it's smart to work the system and receive welfare. Hell you're probably one of them.

We're talking state money receiving back from the government idiot... And nope I work as a industrial maintenance man making more money then I ever did up in Illinois at the same trade.


.


.

 

[Timmy]

working class is already paying a fairly high tax bill through payroll and state and local taxes.



Refresh our memory why people in blue states and cities pay a higher taxes in state and local?


Uhm could it be, just possibly they vote against their wallets by voting democrat dupe?


.

You're stepping on his dillusion man.

DELUSION, dupe. And NO. Welre very happy in our red states, thanks- Enjoy your back water crappy education and infrastructure- unless blue states and the feds are helping your dumbasses...lol. AGAIN, ALL STATES AND NONRICH are paying too much and getting screwed by GOP pander to the greedy idiot brainwashing rich policies.

The only person delusional is you.... Picture of Greenville SC after the Republicans took over the city and state from the back water democrats...

SOuth Carolina is a dump !

It's been in the union forever, has warm weather and a coastline , and still NOBODY lives there!

What's the biggest city ? Columbia ? 200,000 maybe ?

Say that why you freeze to death in January while I go to work in my shorts sucker.

God made the Carolinas to protect the important states from hurricanes .

 

[Wyatt earp]

Here ya go. Top states are a sea of blue . Mine is #1! Go Mass!

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/rankings

You say that as you cry how much you pay in taxes...

.

 

[Wyatt earp]

You're stepping on his dillusion man.

DELUSION, dupe. And NO. Welre very happy in our red states, thanks- Enjoy your back water crappy education and infrastructure- unless blue states and the feds are helping your dumbasses...lol. AGAIN, ALL STATES AND NONRICH are paying too much and getting screwed by GOP pander to the greedy idiot brainwashing rich policies.

The only person delusional is you.... Picture of Greenville SC after the Republicans took over the city and state from the back water democrats...

SOuth Carolina is a dump !

It's been in the union forever, has warm weather and a coastline , and still NOBODY lives there!

What's the biggest city ? Columbia ? 200,000 maybe ?

Say that why you freeze to death in January while I go to work in my shorts sucker.

God made the Carolinas to protect the important states from hurricanes .

Your as good at geology as you are at fiances, taxes and math huh sport?

 

[francoHFW]

Aren't you righties against the Obamacare mandate , which is literally a moocher tax?

Are you dumb? The mandate steals money from people with a job and redistributes it to mooching losers.

No, the mooches get treated when the get sick even after refusing to get insurance .

Right the mooching drug addict alcohol slurping gambling lazy fat ass sponge losers get their free handouts, paid for by those of us who work for a living and don't piss our life away.

Why not you live their life then? Since its wonderful!

I don't give a shit what they do, so long as I don't have to pay their damn bills.

Without ACA, you STILL pay for care for the poor, just stupid expensive ER care and bankruptcies, and the poor workers don't pay ANYTHING, and many go on WELFARE to get Medicaid. STUPID GOP "system". The people with pre-existing can't get care, go on welfare, and there's no competition and increasing regulation to cut costs. Which all makes you brainwashed functional GOP MORONS.

 

[Wyatt earp]

Total BS, dupe.
they've been hurt by GOP pander to the rich for 35 years. Opportunities have been slashed to cut taxes on the rich, dupe.

At the heart of the debate over "the 47 percent" is an awful abuse of tax data.

This entire conversation is the result of a (largely successful) effort to redefine the debate over taxes from "how much in taxes do you pay" to "how much in federal income taxes do you pay?" This is good framing if you want to cut taxes on the rich. It's bad framing if you want to have even a basic understanding of who pays how much in taxes.

There's a reason some would prefer that more limited conversation. For most Americans, payroll and state and local taxes make up the majority of their tax bill. The federal income tax, by contrast, is our most progressive tax -- it's the tax we've designed to place the heaviest burden on the rich while bypassing the poor. And we've done that, again, because the working class is already paying a fairly high tax bill through payroll and state and local taxes.

But most people don't know very much about the tax code. And the federal income tax is still our most famous tax. So when they hear that half of Americans aren't paying federal income taxes, they're outraged -- even if they're among the folks who have a net negative tax burden! After all, they know they're paying taxes, and there's no reason for normal human beings to assume that the taxes getting taken out of their paycheck every week and some of the taxes they pay at the end of the year aren't classified as "federal income taxes."

Confining the discussion to the federal income tax plays another role, too: It makes the tax code look much more progressive than it actually is.

Take someone who makes $4 million dollars a year and someone who makes $40,000 a year. The person making $4 million dollars, assuming he's not doing some Romney-esque planning, is paying a 35 percent tax on most of that money. The person making $40,000 is probably paying no income tax at all. So that makes the system look really unfair to the rich guy.

That's the basic analysis of the 47 percent line. And it's a basic analysis that serves a purpose: It makes further tax cuts for the rich sound more reasonable.

But what if we did the same thing for the payroll tax? Remember, the payroll tax only applies to first $110,100 or so, our rich friends is only paying payroll taxes on 2.7 percent of his income. The guy making $40,000? He's paying payroll taxes on every dollar of his income. Now who's not getting a fair shake?

Which is why, if you want to understand who's paying what in taxes, you don't want to just look at federal income taxes, or federal payroll taxes, or state sales taxes -- you want to look at total taxes. And, luckily, the tax analysis group Citizens for Tax Justice keeps those numbers. So here is total taxes -- which includes corporate taxes, income taxes, payroll taxes, state sales taxes, and more -- paid by different income groups and broken into federal and state and local burdens:

As you can see, the poorer you are, the more state and local taxes bite into your income. As you get richer, those taxes recede, and you're mainly getting hit be federal taxes. So that's another lesson: When you omit state and local taxes from your analysis, you're omitting the taxes that hit lower-income taxpayers hardest.

But here is really the only tax graph you need: It's total tax burden by income group. And as you'll see, every income group is paying something, and the rich aren't paying much more, as a percentage of their incomes, then the middle class.https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...-data/&usg=AFQjCNE_8LZl_VB-o4FAbNsJrxLxLCPy8g

working class is already paying a fairly high tax bill through payroll and state and local taxes.



Refresh our memory why people in blue states and cities pay a higher taxes in state and local?


Uhm could it be, just possibly they vote against their wallets by voting democrat dupe?


.

You're stepping on his dillusion man.

DELUSION, dupe. And NO. Welre very happy in our red states, thanks- Enjoy your back water crappy education and infrastructure- unless blue states and the feds are helping your dumbasses...lol. AGAIN, ALL STATES AND NONRICH are paying too much and getting screwed by GOP pander to the greedy idiot brainwashing rich policies.

The only person delusional is you.... Picture of Greenville SC after the Republicans took over the city and state from the back water democrats...

SOuth Carolina is a dump !

It's been in the union forever, has warm weather and a coastline , and still NOBODY lives there!

What's the biggest city ? Columbia ? 200,000 maybe ?

Conde Nast Traveler lists Greenville in top 5 places to retire

 

[Timmy]

Here ya go. Top states are a sea of blue . Mine is #1! Go Mass!

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/rankings

You say that as you cry how much you pay in taxes...

.

Yeah. We also have infrastructure, the best schools, best healthcare , nice parks and beaches .

 

[Timmy]

working class is already paying a fairly high tax bill through payroll and state and local taxes.



Refresh our memory why people in blue states and cities pay a higher taxes in state and local?


Uhm could it be, just possibly they vote against their wallets by voting democrat dupe?


.

You're stepping on his dillusion man.

DELUSION, dupe. And NO. Welre very happy in our red states, thanks- Enjoy your back water crappy education and infrastructure- unless blue states and the feds are helping your dumbasses...lol. AGAIN, ALL STATES AND NONRICH are paying too much and getting screwed by GOP pander to the greedy idiot brainwashing rich policies.

The only person delusional is you.... Picture of Greenville SC after the Republicans took over the city and state from the back water democrats...

SOuth Carolina is a dump !

It's been in the union forever, has warm weather and a coastline , and still NOBODY lives there!

What's the biggest city ? Columbia ? 200,000 maybe ?

Conde Nast Traveler lists Greenville in top 5 places to retire

Yeah. Work and raise a family in the blue states . Make bank .

Then retire in cheap ass hillbilly state .

 

[Wyatt earp]

Are you dumb? The mandate steals money from people with a job and redistributes it to mooching losers.

No, the mooches get treated when the get sick even after refusing to get insurance .

Right the mooching drug addict alcohol slurping gambling lazy fat ass sponge losers get their free handouts, paid for by those of us who work for a living and don't piss our life away.

Why not you live their life then? Since its wonderful!

I don't give a shit what they do, so long as I don't have to pay their damn bills.

Without ACA, you STILL pay for care for the poor, just stupid expensive ER care and bankruptcies, and the poor workers don't pay ANYTHING, and many go on WELFARE to get Medicaid. STUPID GOP "system". The people with pre-existing can't get care, go on welfare, and there's no competition and increasing regulation to cut costs. Which all makes you brainwashed functional GOP MORONS.

Obama care never covered the millions of illegals that used the ER and ER vista never went down after Obama care.


.

 

[Wyatt earp]

You're stepping on his dillusion man.

DELUSION, dupe. And NO. Welre very happy in our red states, thanks- Enjoy your back water crappy education and infrastructure- unless blue states and the feds are helping your dumbasses...lol. AGAIN, ALL STATES AND NONRICH are paying too much and getting screwed by GOP pander to the greedy idiot brainwashing rich policies.

The only person delusional is you.... Picture of Greenville SC after the Republicans took over the city and state from the back water democrats...

SOuth Carolina is a dump !

It's been in the union forever, has warm weather and a coastline , and still NOBODY lives there!

What's the biggest city ? Columbia ? 200,000 maybe ?

Conde Nast Traveler lists Greenville in top 5 places to retire

Yeah. Work and raise a family in the blue states . Make bank .

Then retire in cheap ass hillbilly state .

How do you make bank if all your money goes to cost of living and taxes?


.

 

[Moonglow]

, every income group is paying something, and the rich aren't paying much more, as a percentage of their incomes,

who cares about the %. If you are top % you pay 40% of what govt spends not 1%!!! Do you want rich to pay more in supermarket too so we can have yet another form of crippling welfare????

How many of the poor get bailouts from taxpayers monies?

 

[Wyatt earp]

Here ya go. Top states are a sea of blue . Mine is #1! Go Mass!

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/rankings

You say that as you cry how much you pay in taxes...

.

Yeah. We also have infrastructure, the best schools, best healthcare , nice parks and beaches .

Massachusetts and beaches?

LMFAO...



Better be careful your dad might catch you in the liquor cabinet again.


.

 

[sakinago]

Communist countries felt every able bodied person should be out working hard to build the communist paradise or to at least contribute to society. To discourage parasites they often had a so called "parasite tax". If someone got a job in a certain time frame the tax would often be refunded as an incentive.
In our society the top 1% for example pay 44% of all income tax and often supply millions of jobs and great innovative products while the bottom 1% pay no taxes and create no jobs or products. It seems that liberals mthey've been hurt by GOP pander to the rich for 35 years. Opportunities have been slashed to cut taxes on the rich, dupe.

At the heart of the debate over "the 47 percent" is an awful abuse of tax data.

This entire conversation is the result of a (largely successful) effort to redefine the debate over taxes from "how much in taxes do you pay" to "how much in federal income taxes do you pay?" This is good framing if you want to cut taxes on the rich. It's bad framing if you want to have even a basic understanding of who pays how much in taxes.

There's a reason some would prefer that more limited conversation. For most Americans, payroll and state and local taxes make up the majority of their tax bill. The federal income tax, by contrast, is our most progressive tax -- it's the tax we've designed to place the heaviest burden on the rich while bypassing the poor. And we've done that, again, because the working class is already paying a fairly high tax bill through payroll and state and local taxes.

But most people don't know very much about the tax code. And the federal income tax is still our most famous tax. So when they hear that half of Americans aren't paying federal income taxes, they're outraged -- even if they're among the folks who have a net negative tax burden! After all, they know they're paying taxes, and there's no reason for normal human beings to assume that the taxes getting taken out of their paycheck every week and some of the taxes they pay at the end of the year aren't classified as "federal income taxes."

Confining the discussion to the federal income tax plays another role, too: It makes the tax code look much more progressive than it actually is.

Take someone who makes $4 million dollars a year and someone who makes $40,000 a year. The person making $4 million dollars, assuming he's not doing some Romney-esque planning, is paying a 35 percent tax on most of that money. The person making $40,000 is probably paying no income tax at all. So that makes the system look really unfair to the rich guy.

That's the basic analysis of the 47 percent line. And it's a basic analysis that serves a purpose: It makes further tax cuts for the rich sound more reasonable.

But what if we did the same thing for the payroll tax? Remember, the payroll tax only applies to first $110,100 or so, our rich friends is only paying payroll taxes on 2.7 percent of his income. The guy making $40,000? He's paying payroll taxes on every dollar of his income. Now who's not getting a fair shake?

Which is why, if you want to understand who's paying what in taxes, you don't want to just look at federal income taxes, or federal payroll taxes, or state sales taxes -- you want to look at total taxes. And, luckily, the tax analysis group Citizens for Tax Justice keeps those numbers. So here is total taxes -- which includes corporate taxes, income taxes, payroll taxes, state sales taxes, and more -- paid by different income groups and broken into federal and state and local burdens:

As you can see, the poorer you are, the more state and local taxes bite into your income. As you get richer, those taxes recede, and you're mainly getting hit be federal taxes. So that's another lesson: When you omit state and local taxes from your analysis, you're omitting the taxes that hit lower-income taxpayers hardest.

But here is really the only tax graph you need: It's total tax burden by income group. And as you'll see, every income group is paying something, and the rich aren't paying much more, as a percentage of their incomes, then the middle class.https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...-data/&usg=AFQjCNE_8LZl_VB-o4FAbNsJrxLxLCPy8gight want a parasite tax on these people to encourage them to pay their fair share??

Total BS, dupe.
they've been hurt by GOP pander to the rich for 35 years. Opportunities have been slashed to cut taxes on the rich, dupe.

At the heart of the debate over "the 47 percent" is an awful abuse of tax data.

This entire conversation is the result of a (largely successful) effort to redefine the debate over taxes from "how much in taxes do you pay" to "how much in federal income taxes do you pay?" This is good framing if you want to cut taxes on the rich. It's bad framing if you want to have even a basic understanding of who pays how much in taxes.

There's a reason some would prefer that more limited conversation. For most Americans, payroll and state and local taxes make up the majority of their tax bill. The federal income tax, by contrast, is our most progressive tax -- it's the tax we've designed to place the heaviest burden on the rich while bypassing the poor. And we've done that, again, because the working class is already paying a fairly high tax bill through payroll and state and local taxes.

But most people don't know very much about the tax code. And the federal income tax is still our most famous tax. So when they hear that half of Americans aren't paying federal income taxes, they're outraged -- even if they're among the folks who have a net negative tax burden! After all, they know they're paying taxes, and there's no reason for normal human beings to assume that the taxes getting taken out of their paycheck every week and some of the taxes they pay at the end of the year aren't classified as "federal income taxes."

Confining the discussion to the federal income tax plays another role, too: It makes the tax code look much more progressive than it actually is.

Take someone who makes $4 million dollars a year and someone who makes $40,000 a year. The person making $4 million dollars, assuming he's not doing some Romney-esque planning, is paying a 35 percent tax on most of that money. The person making $40,000 is probably paying no income tax at all. So that makes the system look really unfair to the rich guy.

That's the basic analysis of the 47 percent line. And it's a basic analysis that serves a purpose: It makes further tax cuts for the rich sound more reasonable.

But what if we did the same thing for the payroll tax? Remember, the payroll tax only applies to first $110,100 or so, our rich friends is only paying payroll taxes on 2.7 percent of his income. The guy making $40,000? He's paying payroll taxes on every dollar of his income. Now who's not getting a fair shake?

Which is why, if you want to understand who's paying what in taxes, you don't want to just look at federal income taxes, or federal payroll taxes, or state sales taxes -- you want to look at total taxes. And, luckily, the tax analysis group Citizens for Tax Justice keeps those numbers. So here is total taxes -- which includes corporate taxes, income taxes, payroll taxes, state sales taxes, and more -- paid by different income groups and broken into federal and state and local burdens:

As you can see, the poorer you are, the more state and local taxes bite into your income. As you get richer, those taxes recede, and you're mainly getting hit be federal taxes. So that's another lesson: When you omit state and local taxes from your analysis, you're omitting the taxes that hit lower-income taxpayers hardest.

But here is really the only tax graph you need: It's total tax burden by income group. And as you'll see, every income group is paying something, and the rich aren't paying much more, as a percentage of their incomes, then the middle class.https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...-data/&usg=AFQjCNE_8LZl_VB-o4FAbNsJrxLxLCPy8g

working class is already paying a fairly high tax bill through payroll and state and local taxes.



Refresh our memory why people in blue states and cities pay a higher taxes in state and local?


Uhm could it be, just possibly they vote against their wallets by voting democrat dupe?


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They like good services and don't like mooching off the federal gov't and other states?

IRRELEVANT to this argument, which is that the GOP has cut taxes mainly on the rich the last 35 years, due to less fed aid the states have raised THEIR taxes- which kill the NONRICH- YOU DUPES, and now we basically have a flat tax system that is pander to the rich GOP idiocy. And you are duped by GOP bs propaganda into thinking the rich pay a lot %wise. Get it, ferchrissake?

They cut taxes, it mainly effects the rich the most, since the rich pay the most in our progressive income tax system. What flat tax says, is that rich don't have less rights than everyone else. The only ones who don't pay the flat tax is those who make 50,000 or less. You get taxed on everything you make past you're first 50,000. It's even and fair for the rich, the poor, and those in between. The rights goal is not tax cuts for the rich. That's a petty false strawman. Sure there are plenty of republican politicians working for the rich donors. There's plenty of Dems (even though they say they aren't) that are also fighting for their rich donors (at least just as much if not more). It's all a play for power that involves pitting both sides against each other while you rob them blind. And both sides are getting duped

No, dumbass, the rich used to pay MORE %WISE, up to 90% on over a million in today's dollars. Today their top rate is 40% and their are PLENTY of GOP loopholes so they pay the same %WISE as the middle class and we have no money for infrastructure and education. The Dems want the opposite, and you are a brainwashed functional MORON. WAKE UP!!!

And if it was GOP loopholes that were helping the rich, then why didn't Obama with control of the legislative branch get rid of these loopholes? The Dems have had plenty of opportunities to do away with them, but they always rush to blame the GOP for their inability to" fix" with control of legislative and executive branches. Again you're naive if you think the Dems are above lining their pockets.

Top 10 wealthiest senators

The government has spent 16 trillion alone on the war on poverty, and the only results is a bigger wage gap, more dependent on government, and more poor that stay poor. Before you blame this solely on the GOP, remember, a lot of this happened under Obamas watch.

 

[francoHFW]

Here ya go. Top states are a sea of blue . Mine is #1! Go Mass!

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/rankings

You say that as you cry how much you pay in taxes...

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The hell we do, stupid, we cry about how the rich don't pay enough and there's little to invest in America, thanks to GOP dupes like you...and we turn into a GOP banana republic.

 

[Moonglow]

Communist countries felt every able bodied person should be out working hard to build the communist paradise or to at least contribute to society. To discourage parasites they often had a so called "parasite tax". If someone got a job in a certain time frame the tax would often be refunded as an incentive.
In our society the top 1% for example pay 44% of all income tax and often supply millions of jobs and great innovative products while the bottom 1% pay no taxes and create no jobs or products. It seems that liberals might want a parasite tax on these people to encourage them to pay their fair share??

Liberals want any tax they can get. In Maryland, at one time, a failed LIberal Governor tried to tax the rain.

Yeah, we can see in GOP run states how there is no taxes what so ever on income or property taxes..

 

[Timmy]

DELUSION, dupe. And NO. Welre very happy in our red states, thanks- Enjoy your back water crappy education and infrastructure- unless blue states and the feds are helping your dumbasses...lol. AGAIN, ALL STATES AND NONRICH are paying too much and getting screwed by GOP pander to the greedy idiot brainwashing rich policies.

The only person delusional is you.... Picture of Greenville SC after the Republicans took over the city and state from the back water democrats...

SOuth Carolina is a dump !

It's been in the union forever, has warm weather and a coastline , and still NOBODY lives there!

What's the biggest city ? Columbia ? 200,000 maybe ?

Conde Nast Traveler lists Greenville in top 5 places to retire

Yeah. Work and raise a family in the blue states . Make bank .

Then retire in cheap ass hillbilly state .

How do you make bank if all your money goes to cost of living and taxes?


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You get paid more . The retirement goes farther down south .