Do liberals want a parasite tax? It would seem consistent:

[francoHFW]

Here ya go. Top states are a sea of blue . Mine is #1! Go Mass!

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/rankings

You say that as you cry how much you pay in taxes...

.

Yeah. We also have infrastructure, the best schools, best healthcare , nice parks and beaches .

Massachusetts and beaches?

LMFAO...



Better be careful your dad might catch you in the liquor cabinet again.


.

Ever heard of Cape Cod? Must be that red state education. GOP utopia lol.

 

[Thinker101]

DELUSION, dupe. And NO. Welre very happy in our red states, thanks- Enjoy your back water crappy education and infrastructure- unless blue states and the feds are helping your dumbasses...lol. AGAIN, ALL STATES AND NONRICH are paying too much and getting screwed by GOP pander to the greedy idiot brainwashing rich policies.

The only person delusional is you.... Picture of Greenville SC after the Republicans took over the city and state from the back water democrats...

SOuth Carolina is a dump !

It's been in the union forever, has warm weather and a coastline , and still NOBODY lives there!

What's the biggest city ? Columbia ? 200,000 maybe ?

Conde Nast Traveler lists Greenville in top 5 places to retire

Yeah. Work and raise a family in the blue states . Make bank .

Then retire in cheap ass hillbilly state .

How do you make bank if all your money goes to cost of living and taxes?


.

Perhaps he meant they make banks, gotta have someplace to put all that money they take in taxes.

 

[Moonglow]

Total BS, dupe.
they've been hurt by GOP pander to the rich for 35 years. Opportunities have been slashed to cut taxes on the rich, dupe.

At the heart of the debate over "the 47 percent" is an awful abuse of tax data.

This entire conversation is the result of a (largely successful) effort to redefine the debate over taxes from "how much in taxes do you pay" to "how much in federal income taxes do you pay?" This is good framing if you want to cut taxes on the rich. It's bad framing if you want to have even a basic understanding of who pays how much in taxes.

There's a reason some would prefer that more limited conversation. For most Americans, payroll and state and local taxes make up the majority of their tax bill. The federal income tax, by contrast, is our most progressive tax -- it's the tax we've designed to place the heaviest burden on the rich while bypassing the poor. And we've done that, again, because the working class is already paying a fairly high tax bill through payroll and state and local taxes.

But most people don't know very much about the tax code. And the federal income tax is still our most famous tax. So when they hear that half of Americans aren't paying federal income taxes, they're outraged -- even if they're among the folks who have a net negative tax burden! After all, they know they're paying taxes, and there's no reason for normal human beings to assume that the taxes getting taken out of their paycheck every week and some of the taxes they pay at the end of the year aren't classified as "federal income taxes."

Confining the discussion to the federal income tax plays another role, too: It makes the tax code look much more progressive than it actually is.

Take someone who makes $4 million dollars a year and someone who makes $40,000 a year. The person making $4 million dollars, assuming he's not doing some Romney-esque planning, is paying a 35 percent tax on most of that money. The person making $40,000 is probably paying no income tax at all. So that makes the system look really unfair to the rich guy.

That's the basic analysis of the 47 percent line. And it's a basic analysis that serves a purpose: It makes further tax cuts for the rich sound more reasonable.

But what if we did the same thing for the payroll tax? Remember, the payroll tax only applies to first $110,100 or so, our rich friends is only paying payroll taxes on 2.7 percent of his income. The guy making $40,000? He's paying payroll taxes on every dollar of his income. Now who's not getting a fair shake?

Which is why, if you want to understand who's paying what in taxes, you don't want to just look at federal income taxes, or federal payroll taxes, or state sales taxes -- you want to look at total taxes. And, luckily, the tax analysis group Citizens for Tax Justice keeps those numbers. So here is total taxes -- which includes corporate taxes, income taxes, payroll taxes, state sales taxes, and more -- paid by different income groups and broken into federal and state and local burdens:

As you can see, the poorer you are, the more state and local taxes bite into your income. As you get richer, those taxes recede, and you're mainly getting hit be federal taxes. So that's another lesson: When you omit state and local taxes from your analysis, you're omitting the taxes that hit lower-income taxpayers hardest.

But here is really the only tax graph you need: It's total tax burden by income group. And as you'll see, every income group is paying something, and the rich aren't paying much more, as a percentage of their incomes, then the middle class.https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...-data/&usg=AFQjCNE_8LZl_VB-o4FAbNsJrxLxLCPy8g

working class is already paying a fairly high tax bill through payroll and state and local taxes.



Refresh our memory why people in blue states and cities pay a higher taxes in state and local?


Uhm could it be, just possibly they vote against their wallets by voting democrat dupe?


.

They like good services and don't like mooching off the federal gov't and other states?

IRRELEVANT to this argument, which is that the GOP has cut taxes mainly on the rich the last 35 years, due to less fed aid the states have raised THEIR taxes- which kill the NONRICH- YOU DUPES, and now we basically have a flat tax system that is pander to the rich GOP idiocy. And you are duped by GOP bs propaganda into thinking the rich pay a lot %wise. Get it, ferchrissake?

They cut taxes, it mainly effects the rich the most, since the rich pay the most in our progressive income tax system. What flat tax says, is that rich don't have less rights than everyone else. The only ones who don't pay the flat tax is those who make 50,000 or less. You get taxed on everything you make past you're first 50,000. It's even and fair for the rich, the poor, and those in between. The rights goal is not tax cuts for the rich. That's a petty false strawman. Sure there are plenty of republican politicians working for the rich donors. There's plenty of Dems (even though they say they aren't) that are also fighting for their rich donors (at least just as much if not more). It's all a play for power that involves pitting both sides against each other while you rob them blind. And both sides are getting duped

No, dumbass, the rich used to pay MORE %WISE, up to 90% on over a million in today's dollars. Today their top rate is 40% and their are PLENTY of GOP loopholes so they pay the same %WISE as the middle class and we have no money for infrastructure and education. The Dems want the opposite, and you are a brainwashed functional MORON. WAKE UP!!!

And if it was GOP loopholes that were helping the rich, then why didn't Obama with control of the legislative branch get rid of these loopholes? The Dems have had plenty of opportunities to do away with them, but they always rush to blame the GOP for their inability to" fix" with control of legislative and executive branches. Again you're naive if you think the Dems are above lining their pockets.

Top 10 wealthiest senators

The government has spent 16 trillion alone on the war on poverty, and the only results is a bigger wage gap, more dependent on government, and more poor that stay poor. Before you blame this solely on the GOP, remember, a lot of this happened under Obamas watch.

You are trying to put forward a syllogistic illogical assumption that only the Dems tax incomes, when it is and has been done by both sides, Jesus approves of welfare...

 

[Luddly Neddite]

A "parasite tax". Hmmmm ...

Not a bad idea SpecialEdDear. There is certainly no shortage of parasites we should tax. Let's start with drumpf's daughter-wife, her professional suck-up husband and of course, evil spawn Beevis and Butthead.

But hey, we could save trillions if we deported all the RWNJ Pootarians.


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[sakinago]

Here ya go. Top states are a sea of blue . Mine is #1! Go Mass!

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/rankings

You say that as you cry how much you pay in taxes...

.

The hell we do, stupid, we cry about how the rich don't pay enough and there's little to invest in America, thanks to GOP dupes like you...and we turn into a GOP banana republic.

Calm down. Take a breath. Let's have an actual conversation. Not 2 separate straw man conversations. If me, a middle class person wants to pay less in taxes, through a flat tax that I (and every other American) only pays taxes on whatever I make past 50,000. If I make less than that, I don't pay taxes. How does that hurt the middle class. Same
Applies to small business, they only pay after the first 50,000. How does this hurt the middle class, how does this hurt small business?

JFK made heavy supply side taxes, that greatly, and undoubtedly helped the economy. Not only helped the economy but actually increased tax receipts. That wasn't on the demand side, I'm asking for a demand side tax.

6 lessons from JFK on tax policy

Is what Kennedy did so evil?

 

[Timmy]

The only person delusional is you.... Picture of Greenville SC after the Republicans took over the city and state from the back water democrats...

SOuth Carolina is a dump !

It's been in the union forever, has warm weather and a coastline , and still NOBODY lives there!

What's the biggest city ? Columbia ? 200,000 maybe ?

Conde Nast Traveler lists Greenville in top 5 places to retire

Yeah. Work and raise a family in the blue states . Make bank .

Then retire in cheap ass hillbilly state .

How do you make bank if all your money goes to cost of living and taxes?


.

Perhaps he meant they make banks, gotta have someplace to put all that money they take in taxes.

Why is there so much big biz in the blue ? Cause of an educated work force .

Red states have ..... big taxpayer fronted military bases they suck off .

 

[sakinago]

A "parasite tax". Hmmmm ...

Not a bad idea SpecialEdDear. There is certainly no shortage of parasites we should tax. Let's start with drumpf's daughter-wife, her professional suck-up husband and of course, evil spawn Beevis and Butthead.

But hey, we could save trillions if we deported all the RWNJ Pootarians.


Sent from my iPad using USMessageBoard.com

Do you have something better than ad hominems?

 

[francoHFW]

Total BS, dupe.
they've been hurt by GOP pander to the rich for 35 years. Opportunities have been slashed to cut taxes on the rich, dupe.

At the heart of the debate over "the 47 percent" is an awful abuse of tax data.

This entire conversation is the result of a (largely successful) effort to redefine the debate over taxes from "how much in taxes do you pay" to "how much in federal income taxes do you pay?" This is good framing if you want to cut taxes on the rich. It's bad framing if you want to have even a basic understanding of who pays how much in taxes.

There's a reason some would prefer that more limited conversation. For most Americans, payroll and state and local taxes make up the majority of their tax bill. The federal income tax, by contrast, is our most progressive tax -- it's the tax we've designed to place the heaviest burden on the rich while bypassing the poor. And we've done that, again, because the working class is already paying a fairly high tax bill through payroll and state and local taxes.

But most people don't know very much about the tax code. And the federal income tax is still our most famous tax. So when they hear that half of Americans aren't paying federal income taxes, they're outraged -- even if they're among the folks who have a net negative tax burden! After all, they know they're paying taxes, and there's no reason for normal human beings to assume that the taxes getting taken out of their paycheck every week and some of the taxes they pay at the end of the year aren't classified as "federal income taxes."

Confining the discussion to the federal income tax plays another role, too: It makes the tax code look much more progressive than it actually is.

Take someone who makes $4 million dollars a year and someone who makes $40,000 a year. The person making $4 million dollars, assuming he's not doing some Romney-esque planning, is paying a 35 percent tax on most of that money. The person making $40,000 is probably paying no income tax at all. So that makes the system look really unfair to the rich guy.

That's the basic analysis of the 47 percent line. And it's a basic analysis that serves a purpose: It makes further tax cuts for the rich sound more reasonable.

But what if we did the same thing for the payroll tax? Remember, the payroll tax only applies to first $110,100 or so, our rich friends is only paying payroll taxes on 2.7 percent of his income. The guy making $40,000? He's paying payroll taxes on every dollar of his income. Now who's not getting a fair shake?

Which is why, if you want to understand who's paying what in taxes, you don't want to just look at federal income taxes, or federal payroll taxes, or state sales taxes -- you want to look at total taxes. And, luckily, the tax analysis group Citizens for Tax Justice keeps those numbers. So here is total taxes -- which includes corporate taxes, income taxes, payroll taxes, state sales taxes, and more -- paid by different income groups and broken into federal and state and local burdens:

As you can see, the poorer you are, the more state and local taxes bite into your income. As you get richer, those taxes recede, and you're mainly getting hit be federal taxes. So that's another lesson: When you omit state and local taxes from your analysis, you're omitting the taxes that hit lower-income taxpayers hardest.

But here is really the only tax graph you need: It's total tax burden by income group. And as you'll see, every income group is paying something, and the rich aren't paying much more, as a percentage of their incomes, then the middle class.https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...-data/&usg=AFQjCNE_8LZl_VB-o4FAbNsJrxLxLCPy8g

working class is already paying a fairly high tax bill through payroll and state and local taxes.



Refresh our memory why people in blue states and cities pay a higher taxes in state and local?


Uhm could it be, just possibly they vote against their wallets by voting democrat dupe?


.

They like good services and don't like mooching off the federal gov't and other states?

IRRELEVANT to this argument, which is that the GOP has cut taxes mainly on the rich the last 35 years, due to less fed aid the states have raised THEIR taxes- which kill the NONRICH- YOU DUPES, and now we basically have a flat tax system that is pander to the rich GOP idiocy. And you are duped by GOP bs propaganda into thinking the rich pay a lot %wise. Get it, ferchrissake?

They cut taxes, it mainly effects the rich the most, since the rich pay the most in our progressive income tax system. What flat tax says, is that rich don't have less rights than everyone else. The only ones who don't pay the flat tax is those who make 50,000 or less. You get taxed on everything you make past you're first 50,000. It's even and fair for the rich, the poor, and those in between. The rights goal is not tax cuts for the rich. That's a petty false strawman. Sure there are plenty of republican politicians working for the rich donors. There's plenty of Dems (even though they say they aren't) that are also fighting for their rich donors (at least just as much if not more). It's all a play for power that involves pitting both sides against each other while you rob them blind. And both sides are getting duped

No, dumbass, the rich used to pay MORE %WISE, up to 90% on over a million in today's dollars. Today their top rate is 40% and their are PLENTY of GOP loopholes so they pay the same %WISE as the middle class and we have no money for infrastructure and education. The Dems want the opposite, and you are a brainwashed functional MORON. WAKE UP!!!

And if it was GOP loopholes that were helping the rich, then why didn't Obama with control of the legislative branch get rid of these loopholes? The Dems have had plenty of opportunities to do away with them, but they always rush to blame the GOP for their inability to" fix" with control of legislative and executive branches. Again you're naive if you think the Dems are above lining their pockets.

Top 10 wealthiest senators

The government has spent 16 trillion alone on the war on poverty, and the only results is a bigger wage gap, more dependent on government, and more poor that stay poor. Before you blame this solely on the GOP, remember, a lot of this happened under Obamas watch.

Yes, and the Dem rich all want to pay more in taxes, stupid. Obama? - the middle of ANOTHER corrupt GOP economic meltdown is no time to raise taxes duhhh. He had 3 weeks of control in 2009. Of course, as a dupe you probably believe he had 2 years. NOT!!!!

 

[sakinago]

SOuth Carolina is a dump !

It's been in the union forever, has warm weather and a coastline , and still NOBODY lives there!

What's the biggest city ? Columbia ? 200,000 maybe ?

Conde Nast Traveler lists Greenville in top 5 places to retire

Yeah. Work and raise a family in the blue states . Make bank .

Then retire in cheap ass hillbilly state .

How do you make bank if all your money goes to cost of living and taxes?


.

Perhaps he meant they make banks, gotta have someplace to put all that money they take in taxes.

Why is there so much big biz in the blue ? Cause of an educated work force .

Red states have ..... big taxpayer fronted military bases they suck off .

Why is so much big biz going overseas...and if not going overseas going to Texas?

 

[Moonglow]

Conde Nast Traveler lists Greenville in top 5 places to retire

Yeah. Work and raise a family in the blue states . Make bank .

Then retire in cheap ass hillbilly state .

How do you make bank if all your money goes to cost of living and taxes?


.

Perhaps he meant they make banks, gotta have someplace to put all that money they take in taxes.

Why is there so much big biz in the blue ? Cause of an educated work force .

Red states have ..... big taxpayer fronted military bases they suck off .

Why is so much big biz going overseas...and if not going overseas going to Texas?

To relocate manufacturing closer to local markets..

 

[Wyatt earp]

Here ya go. Top states are a sea of blue . Mine is #1! Go Mass!

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/rankings

You say that as you cry how much you pay in taxes...

.

Yeah. We also have infrastructure, the best schools, best healthcare , nice parks and beaches .

Massachusetts and beaches?

LMFAO...



Better be careful your dad might catch you in the liquor cabinet again.


.

Ever heard of Cape Cod? Must be that red state education. GOP utopia lol.

The place only open 2 weeks out of the year when you could actually get a tan?



Lol....



.

 

[Timmy]

Here ya go. Top states are a sea of blue . Mine is #1! Go Mass!

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/rankings

You say that as you cry how much you pay in taxes...

.

The hell we do, stupid, we cry about how the rich don't pay enough and there's little to invest in America, thanks to GOP dupes like you...and we turn into a GOP banana republic.

Calm down. Take a breath. Let's have an actual conversation. Not 2 separate straw man conversations. If me, a middle class person wants to pay less in taxes, through a flat tax that I (and every other American) only pays taxes on whatever I make past 50,000. If I make less than that, I don't pay taxes. How does that hurt the middle class. Same
Applies to small business, they only pay after the first 50,000. How does this hurt the middle class, how does this hurt small business?

JFK made heavy supply side taxes, that greatly, and undoubtedly helped the economy. Not only helped the economy but actually increased tax receipts. That wasn't on the demand side, I'm asking for a demand side tax.

6 lessons from JFK on tax policy

Is what Kennedy did so evil?

How do you measure the business income ?

 

[sakinago]

Yeah. Work and raise a family in the blue states . Make bank .

Then retire in cheap ass hillbilly state .

How do you make bank if all your money goes to cost of living and taxes?


.

Perhaps he meant they make banks, gotta have someplace to put all that money they take in taxes.

Why is there so much big biz in the blue ? Cause of an educated work force .

Red states have ..... big taxpayer fronted military bases they suck off .

Why is so much big biz going overseas...and if not going overseas going to Texas?

To relocate manufacturing closer to local markets..

Uh I really hope this isn't a serious comment.

 

[francoHFW]

Got to love liberals voting for democrats then saying they pay high state and local taxes...




Only they would play the victim of their own stupidity....



Oh but they do make higher wages to just give it all to the tax man.




.

We're saying we ALL pay higher state and local taxes because of pander to the rich GOP policies, stupid. DUH.

 

[Wyatt earp]

SOuth Carolina is a dump !

It's been in the union forever, has warm weather and a coastline , and still NOBODY lives there!

What's the biggest city ? Columbia ? 200,000 maybe ?

Conde Nast Traveler lists Greenville in top 5 places to retire

Yeah. Work and raise a family in the blue states . Make bank .

Then retire in cheap ass hillbilly state .

How do you make bank if all your money goes to cost of living and taxes?


.

Perhaps he meant they make banks, gotta have someplace to put all that money they take in taxes.

Why is there so much big biz in the blue ? Cause of an educated work force .

Red states have ..... big taxpayer fronted military bases they suck off .

The high technology manufacturing is all moving to the Red States.... What does that tell you?


.

 

[Moonglow]

How do you make bank if all your money goes to cost of living and taxes?


.

Perhaps he meant they make banks, gotta have someplace to put all that money they take in taxes.

Why is there so much big biz in the blue ? Cause of an educated work force .

Red states have ..... big taxpayer fronted military bases they suck off .

Why is so much big biz going overseas...and if not going overseas going to Texas?

To relocate manufacturing closer to local markets..

Uh I really hope this isn't a serious comment.

It is one reason, not a reason for all...Since moving manufacturing closer to markets hold down transportation cost.

 

[Wyatt earp]

Got to love liberals voting for democrats then saying they pay high state and local taxes...




Only they would play the victim of their own stupidity....



Oh but they do make higher wages to just give it all to the tax man.




.

We're saying we ALL pay higher state and local taxes because of pander to the rich GOP policies, stupid. DUH.

How do redstates citizens pay for high tax democrat blue states derp?

You guys caused your own high taxes ....

 

[Wyatt earp]

Here ya go. Top states are a sea of blue . Mine is #1! Go Mass!

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/rankings

You say that as you cry how much you pay in taxes...

.

Yeah. We also have infrastructure, the best schools, best healthcare , nice parks and beaches .

 

[Thinker101]

Type of Benefit...........Percent Voting......Percent Voting
Received.......................Democrat..............Republican

Public Housing...............81%..........................12%
Medicaid..........................74%..........................16%
Food Stamps...................67%..........................20%
Unemployment................66%..........................21%
Compensation
Disability (from Govt.).....64%..........................25%
Welfare/Public..................63%..........................22%


A survey by the Maxwell Poll on the political affiliation of those receiving government aid

 

[Timmy]

Type of Benefit Percent Voting Percent Voting

Received Democrat Republican

Public Housing 81% 12%

Medicaid 74% 16%

Food Stamps 67% 20%

Unemployment 66% 21%

Compensation

Disability (from Govt.) 64% 25%

Welfare/Public 63% 22%


A survey by the Maxwell Poll on the political affiliation of those receiving government aid

Bullshit fake news!