Zone1 Do most Jews believe they killed Jesus?

Do you believe that the Jewish people and the religious leaders supported his execution throughout history and at what point did they stop believing in his execution to be a good thing?
 
Nope, he just took the thirty pieces of silver for identifying Jesus to the authorities. They weren't sure which of them he was: Jesus had quite a posse, after all. Taking money is not the same as murdering people.
Yeah, Judas fingered Jesus. Brutus killed Caesar. Move along now.
 
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Do you believe that the Jewish people and the religious leaders supported his execution throughout history and at what point did they stop believing in his execution to be a good thing?
I'm wondering why you are so obsessed with this. We don't give a shit.
 
The only people guilty of murder are murderers. In this case, executioners, and that was Roman soldiers. I'm tired of people saying that this or that leader killed so and so when no one killed so and so except the actual murderer. It doesn't matter who organized it or ordered it: matters who DID it. No Jews, no Pontius Pilate. Just a few Roman soldiers and functionaries.

Crucifixion was the normal punishment for crime. In fact the Latin word was normally used as a general term for all torture and execution, and even made jokes about. So the comic playwright Plautus constantly has slaves talk about getting crucified if they do this or that prank ----- it's quite creepy given the religious history we have. They don't mean it; it was supposed to be funny.

Doesn't really work in 2022, however.
Crucifixion was the nomal Roman punishment for
sedition against Rome. You are confusing yourself.
 
Jews didn'r kill Jesus, the Romans did. They feared his following and believed he was raising an armed rebellion. Whether or not the Pharisees and other priests wanted him dead are up for debate, since the gospels were written almost 100 years following his death, and there is clear evidence that the writers took liberties, such as claiming that Harod the Great tried to have Jesus killed, despite the fact that he died over 2-3 years before the accepted year of Jesus' birth. Harod died in 4 or 5 BC, dpending on the source, and Jesus was supposed to have been born sometime in the fall of 2 BC.
 
Jews didn'r kill Jesus, the Romans did. They feared his following and believed he was raising an armed rebellion. Whether or not the Pharisees and other priests wanted him dead are up for debate, since the gospels were written almost 100 years following his death, and there is clear evidence that the writers took liberties, such as claiming that Harod the Great tried to have Jesus killed, despite the fact that he died over 2-3 years before the accepted year of Jesus' birth. Harod died in 4 or 5 BC, dpending on the source, and Jesus was supposed to have been born sometime in the fall of 2 BC.
the very simple explanation for the very contrived
"jewish plot" explanation of the crucifixion of Jesus presented in
the NT is the fact that Jesus was a Pharisee and the
NT was written under the sponsorship of the
Emperor of Rome (Constantine) for the purpose of
promoting christianity as the state religion. The
Roman public already hated the jews since jews,
especially PHARISEES, rejected Roman culture.
The most politically EFFECTIVE way to promote
Jesus at that time was to make him the enemy of
THE JEWS
 
for Leviticus----where did you learn "Pharisees
and other priests...." ? Are the "Pharisees"
specifically "priests"?
 
Jews didn'r kill Jesus, the Romans did. They feared his following and believed he was raising an armed rebellion. Whether or not the Pharisees and other priests wanted him dead are up for debate, since the gospels were written almost 100 years following his death, and there is clear evidence that the writers took liberties, such as claiming that Harod the Great tried to have Jesus killed, despite the fact that he died over 2-3 years before the accepted year of Jesus' birth. Harod died in 4 or 5 BC, dpending on the source, and Jesus was supposed to have been born sometime in the fall of 2 BC.

I think you have your Herods mixed up. Herod Antipas ruled Galilee. He died in 39 AD.

 
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I think you have your Herods mixed up. Herod Antipas ruled Galilee. He died in 39 AD.

???? "scholar" Jensen imagines that Jesus went on
trial somewhere in the Galil with Herod somehow
involved? ----gee---in some convoluted way that
makes more sense the Constantine's version
 
Do you believe that the Jewish people and the religious leaders supported his execution throughout history and at what point did they stop believing in his execution to be a good thing?
It's actually a fair question. I'm not sure there is one single answer though. Not at least to the way you are asking it.
 

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