Do Republicans get their "values and morals" from the Democrats

[Dad2three]

What plan would that be, Dad? I hope you're not talking about that watered down "do-over" of the first Obama stimulus! I know that you wouldn't have the nerve to call that joke a plan...not even the Democrats voted for that!

So what plan of Barry's have I missed? Please provide it for us...so we can all bask in his economic "brilliance".

Obama jobs bill stalls in Senate

The Senate on Thursday soundly defeated President Obama's $447 billion jobs plan by refusing to let it come up for a vote.


Obama jobs bill dies in Senate

DEMS DIDN'T VOTE FOR IT HUH?

The final tally was actually 50-49, as Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) switched his vote to “no” so he could bring the bill up again without needing to file cloture.



I know, the conservative 'plan' is more tax cuts right? lol

Wow, you DID try to pass off Barry's watered down "do-over" of the first stimulus as a viable jobs bill!

"The jobs package was blocked by the chamber's Republican minority, led by Sen. Mitch McConnell. They were joined by two Democrats, Sens. Ben Nelson of Nebraska and Jon Tester of Montana. Several more Democrats said they would vote against the package itself."

The quoted passage is from YOUR article, Dad. Those Democrats wouldn't vote for the bill because they realized that it wasn't something that would work any better than it did the first time around when they blew 870 billion and didn't create jobs. The truth of the matter is that Obama didn't HAVE a viable jobs bill so he went through the motions of trying to pass something that he couldn't even get Democrats to vote for! The truth is Obama hasn't had a viable plan to create jobs since Larry Summer's Keynesian experiment failed miserably the first time. The truth is...that was nothing more than political "theater" performed by Barack Obama and Harry Reid while millions of Americans continued to be out of work and in desperate straits.

So for the FIFTH time...did you want to provide us with Barack Obama's REAL plan to fix the US economy and create jobs? Surely he's had something other than that pretend plan that he knew didn't have a prayer of passing? I mean the economy and jobs have been the number one concern of Americans in every poll taken for the last six years. Surely, Barry has been working non-stop to push through a workable plan to fix things...right? So what is it? I bet you STILL don't know who Obama's chief economic advisers are, do you, Dad? You know why that is? They don't count for much in Barry's world because he gave up on the economy and jobs four years ago. He's content to do nothing and blame the Republican House for inaction. Which is rather amazing since House bills dealing with jobs and the economy are piled up on Harry Reid's desk because the Democratic leader of the Senate won't allow them to even come to the floor for discussion!

Two Democrats (CONservaDems) didn't vote for it but 50 did, sorry you can't EVER be honest

ONE MORE TIME. Is it Gov't responsibility OR THOSE 'JOB CREATORS' WITH THE LOWEST SUSTAINED TAX BURDEN OF 80+ YEARS JOB TO CREATE JOBS?

GOP House bills? lol... Oh you mean Faux bills that cut taxes, GUT regulations and do NOTHING to actually create jobs




Republican Jobs Bills Won't Actually Create Jobs, Say Economists

Republican Jobs Bills Won't Actually Create Jobs, Say Economists


Now after 8 years of Dubya/GOP 'job creator' policies the US economy lost 17+ million jobs from their peak. And under that socialistic, Kenyan, Muslim there has been 9+ PRIVATE sector jobs created since hitting Dubya's bottom March 2010

That Socialist, Kenyan/Muslim cut Bush's final F/Y deficit by 60%. Got Bin Laden. Got US out of the wars Bush rushed into, Yeah, lets just stick with policies that actually work instead of the MYTH of fiscally conservative GOPers....


Bureau of Labor Statistics Data

 

[Oldstyle]

You cite the Huffington Post as "proof" that tax cuts and eliminating burdensome regulations won't create jobs? You become more amusing with each passing post!

I'm curious, Dad...you keep repeating the same progressive talking points about Bush's job losses and the jobs that Obama "created". Did you want to specifically point to programs that Barack Obama put in place that created jobs? Did you want to explain why job creation has been the strongest in places like Texas and the Dakotas...States with Republican leadership pushing agendas that are nothing like those that Obama, Pelosi and Reid have espoused?

The US economy is remarkably resilient. It can even weather someone as clueless as Barack Obama sitting in the Oval Office proposing things like raising taxes in the midst of a recession and threatening new EPA regulations on emissions. The private sector in this country has created jobs DESPITE Barry...not because of him!

 

[Oldstyle]

And your word comprehension skills are a bit faulty, Dad. Your own cited article said that "several other Democrats said they would vote against the package". That not two...that's at least four if not more. The truth is...the proposed jobs plan that Obama put forth was NEVER made in good faith...Obama, Reid and Pelosi knew they could never get the votes to pass it because it was nothing more than a watered down repeat of the first stimulus bill.

 

[Dad2three]

You cite the Huffington Post as "proof" that tax cuts and eliminating burdensome regulations won't create jobs? You become more amusing with each passing post!

I'm curious, Dad...you keep repeating the same progressive talking points about Bush's job losses and the jobs that Obama "created". Did you want to specifically point to programs that Barack Obama put in place that created jobs? Did you want to explain why job creation has been the strongest in places like Texas and the Dakotas...States with Republican leadership pushing agendas that are nothing like those that Obama, Pelosi and Reid have espoused?

The US economy is remarkably resilient. It can even weather someone as clueless as Barack Obama sitting in the Oval Office proposing things like raising taxes in the midst of a recession and threatening new EPA regulations on emissions. The private sector in this country has created jobs DESPITE Barry...not because of him!

Weird how ALL you have are ad homs against the ECONOMISTS HugffPost used?

You mean I NEVER said Obama created jobs? But that PRIVATE sector jobs under him have been created, 9+ million since hitting bottom of Dubya's recession, March 2010!



Texas and Dakota? Oh you mean ENERGY (fracking)? lol. Yeah, it was because of GOP policy *shaking head*



PLEASE make up your mind though, does the private sector create jobs or is it Gov't? YOU'D THINK WITH THE LOWEST SUSTAINED TAX BURDEN ON THOSE 'JOB CREATORS' IN 80+ YEARS (LOWER THAN REAGAN'S BOOM PERIOD 1981-1987) WE WOULD HAVE JOBS DROPPING OUT OF THE SKY FOR YEARS? WHAT HAPPENED?



Misrepresentations, Regulations and Jobs



These constraints have led Republicans to embrace the idea that government regulation is the principal factor holding back employment. They assert that Barack Obama has unleashed a tidal wave of new regulations, which has created uncertainty among businesses and prevents them from investing and hiring.

No hard evidence is offered for this claim; it is simply asserted as self-evident and repeated endlessly throughout the conservative echo chamber.




The table below presents the bureau’s data. As one can see, the number of layoffs nationwide caused by government regulation is minuscule and shows no evidence of getting worse during the Obama administration. Lack of demand for business products and services is vastly more important.

These results are supported by surveys


During June and July, Small Business Majority asked 1,257 small-business owners to name the two biggest problems they face. Only 13 percent listed government regulation as one of them. Almost half said their biggest problem was uncertainty about the future course of the economy — another way of saying a lack of customers and sales.

The Wall Street Journal’s July survey of business economists found, “The main reason U.S. companies are reluctant to step up hiring is scant demand, rather than uncertainty over government policies, according to a majority of economists.”

In August, McClatchy Newspapers canvassed small businesses, asking them if regulation was a big problem. It could find no evidence that this was the case.

“None of the business owners complained about regulation in their particular industries, and most seemed to welcome it,” McClatchy reported. “Some pointed to the lack of regulation in mortgage lending as a principal cause of the financial crisis that brought about the Great Recession of 2007-9 and its grim aftermath.”

The latest monthly survey of its members by the National Federation of Independent Business shows that poor sales are far and away their biggest problem. While concerns about regulation have risen during the Obama administration, they are about the same now as they were during Ronald Reagan’s administration, according to an analysis of the federation’s data by the Economic Policy Institute.

Academic research has also failed to find evidence that regulation is a significant factor in unemployment.



http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/10/04/regulation-and-unemployment/


WHO CREATES JOBS? GOV'T OR 'JOB CREATOR' PRIVATE SECTOR? WHY AR WE STILL ON OUR KNEES WITH THEM?


Neo-Liberalism/Conservatives is/has destroyed the American Economy in favor of the so called "Job Creator"... In reality are "Job Exporters"...

 

[Dad2three]

And your word comprehension skills are a bit faulty, Dad. Your own cited article said that "several other Democrats said they would vote against the package". That not two...that's at least four if not more. The truth is...the proposed jobs plan that Obama put forth was NEVER made in good faith...Obama, Reid and Pelosi knew they could never get the votes to pass it because it was nothing more than a watered down repeat of the first stimulus bill.

Weird, you mean several others MIGHT vote against it BUT ACTUALLY VOTED FOR IT ON THIS VOTE? lol

 

[Dad2three]

You cite the Huffington Post as "proof" that tax cuts and eliminating burdensome regulations won't create jobs? You become more amusing with each passing post!

I'm curious, Dad...you keep repeating the same progressive talking points about Bush's job losses and the jobs that Obama "created". Did you want to specifically point to programs that Barack Obama put in place that created jobs? Did you want to explain why job creation has been the strongest in places like Texas and the Dakotas...States with Republican leadership pushing agendas that are nothing like those that Obama, Pelosi and Reid have espoused?

The US economy is remarkably resilient. It can even weather someone as clueless as Barack Obama sitting in the Oval Office proposing things like raising taxes in the midst of a recession and threatening new EPA regulations on emissions. The private sector in this country has created jobs DESPITE Barry...not because of him!

THIS IS ABOUT THE FIFTH TIME ASKING YOU THIS, will you finally answer?


PLEASE make up your mind though, does the private sector create jobs or is it Gov't? YOU'D THINK WITH THE LOWEST SUSTAINED TAX BURDEN ON THOSE 'JOB CREATORS' IN 80+ YEARS (LOWER THAN REAGAN'S BOOM PERIOD 1981-1987) WE WOULD HAVE JOBS DROPPING OUT OF THE SKY FOR YEARS? WHAT HAPPENED?

 

[rdean]

lol
did any of you know Democrats had values and morals?

maybe back in the day, they also had some honor

todays Democrats not so much....they stand up for the killing of the unborn child, stands for Government to run our lives from cradle to grave (in other words make you people SLAVEs for them), looks down on others if you don't think like them
I could go on

Oh stop Steph. You know it's Republicans who are the "peeping Toms". It's Republicans who want to intrude into our bedrooms. You can't get more "big government" than that.

 

[rdean]

Doesn't it seem odd that the GOP, the self proclaimed party of "values and morals" gets their values and morals from what they imagine the Democrats do?

When you talk about Iraq, Republicans say, "But Democrats supported it".

When you talk about billionaires who want to create the worlds largest nuclear waste dump or stop internet gambling to protect their giant casinos, Republicans way, but Democrats have billionaires too.

Republicans will say "Obama and the Democrats supported the Bush Tax Cuts" but won't acknowledge the hostages:

Unemployment benefits: not until Bush tax cuts pass, Senate GOP says - CSMonitor.com

When you say the GOP hates gays, Republicans will say, blacks in the Democratic party hates gays.

It seems they never take Responsibility for any of their policies. It's always, "But the Democrats supported it" or "The Democrats do it".

So what. Can't they just defend their own policies based on the merits of those policies?

First you need to clearly define what are "our " policies.

You've only made up what you think they are.

Once you can honestly state what our policies are, then we can discuss their validity.

Just read that Republican Party Platforms in every state. They are very similar. Unless what they publish and what the believe are two different things. We call that hypocritical.

 

[rdean]

Rderp thread......

Leaves you speechless, huh?

 

[rdean]

So you get upset about something that is supposedly "evil" that we've done. We point out that you did it too and that somehow means we get our values from you, rather than an attempt by us to point out your hypocrisy?

So somehow you get to be a complete hypocrite and we are still the bad guy. Go figure.

I didn't say you get your values from Democrats. I said you get your values from what you imagine the Democrats do.

 

[Avatar4321]

So you get upset about something that is supposedly "evil" that we've done. We point out that you did it too and that somehow means we get our values from you, rather than an attempt by us to point out your hypocrisy?

So somehow you get to be a complete hypocrite and we are still the bad guy. Go figure.

I didn't say you get your values from Democrats. I said you get your values from what you imagine the Democrats do.

LOL. So you guys didn't support the Iraq War now? Despite voting overwhelmingly for it.

 

[rdean]

We kill off our Liz Warrens, they don't rise to the top like they do in the Dem Party

Republicans don't want any "elites". They want "average" or less.

 

[rdean]

HOW HAS THE LAST SIX YEARS BEEN FOR YOU AND those you see around you.I SEE THE ECONOMY going down the drain,no jobs,cut and run,tax and spend,anti GOD,ANTI MILITARY,pro muslim,pro abortion,gay marrage,sexual perversion. you wanted a little 1/2 black clueless president and the ENTIRE world PAYS THE PRICE!!!

The entire world is paying the price for the ruined economy, letting Bin Laden go, the ill advised war in Iraq and the mess that fiasco left the Middle East. That was all GOP. They deserve the credit.

 

[rdean]

this is actually hilarious....the dems answer to everything:

bush did it too

Not me. I say "Bush and the Republicans". And considering what they did, too often the only answer is "Bush and the Republicans".

 

[Oldstyle]

You cite the Huffington Post as "proof" that tax cuts and eliminating burdensome regulations won't create jobs? You become more amusing with each passing post!

I'm curious, Dad...you keep repeating the same progressive talking points about Bush's job losses and the jobs that Obama "created". Did you want to specifically point to programs that Barack Obama put in place that created jobs? Did you want to explain why job creation has been the strongest in places like Texas and the Dakotas...States with Republican leadership pushing agendas that are nothing like those that Obama, Pelosi and Reid have espoused?

The US economy is remarkably resilient. It can even weather someone as clueless as Barack Obama sitting in the Oval Office proposing things like raising taxes in the midst of a recession and threatening new EPA regulations on emissions. The private sector in this country has created jobs DESPITE Barry...not because of him!

THIS IS ABOUT THE FIFTH TIME ASKING YOU THIS, will you finally answer?


PLEASE make up your mind though, does the private sector create jobs or is it Gov't? YOU'D THINK WITH THE LOWEST SUSTAINED TAX BURDEN ON THOSE 'JOB CREATORS' IN 80+ YEARS (LOWER THAN REAGAN'S BOOM PERIOD 1981-1987) WE WOULD HAVE JOBS DROPPING OUT OF THE SKY FOR YEARS? WHAT HAPPENED?

The answer to your question is that both can create jobs.

The Private Sector creates jobs because it anticipates profits from investment of capital. The Public Sector creates jobs not with profits...but with revenues that it takes out of the Private Sector. That was the reason that so many of the jobs created under the Obama Stimulus were so short lived. Those public sector jobs aren't self sustaining...they need another influx of taxpayer monies or additional debt added to the deficit to keep going.

 

[rdean]

You cite the Huffington Post as "proof" that tax cuts and eliminating burdensome regulations won't create jobs? You become more amusing with each passing post!

I'm curious, Dad...you keep repeating the same progressive talking points about Bush's job losses and the jobs that Obama "created". Did you want to specifically point to programs that Barack Obama put in place that created jobs? Did you want to explain why job creation has been the strongest in places like Texas and the Dakotas...States with Republican leadership pushing agendas that are nothing like those that Obama, Pelosi and Reid have espoused?

The US economy is remarkably resilient. It can even weather someone as clueless as Barack Obama sitting in the Oval Office proposing things like raising taxes in the midst of a recession and threatening new EPA regulations on emissions. The private sector in this country has created jobs DESPITE Barry...not because of him!

THIS IS ABOUT THE FIFTH TIME ASKING YOU THIS, will you finally answer?


PLEASE make up your mind though, does the private sector create jobs or is it Gov't? YOU'D THINK WITH THE LOWEST SUSTAINED TAX BURDEN ON THOSE 'JOB CREATORS' IN 80+ YEARS (LOWER THAN REAGAN'S BOOM PERIOD 1981-1987) WE WOULD HAVE JOBS DROPPING OUT OF THE SKY FOR YEARS? WHAT HAPPENED?

The answer to your question is that both can create jobs.

The Private Sector creates jobs because it anticipates profits from investment of capital. The Public Sector creates jobs not with profits...but with revenues that it takes out of the Private Sector. That was the reason that so many of the jobs created under the Obama Stimulus were so short lived. Those public sector jobs aren't self sustaining...they need another influx of taxpayer monies or additional debt added to the deficit to keep going.

Actually, too much of the Obama Stimulus were tax cuts. Only Republicans think major tax cuts creates jobs. Everyone else thinks "demand" creates jobs. Republicans think "supply and demand" is a wild liberal theory if the Republicans of the USMB are any indication.

 

[Oldstyle]

THIS IS ABOUT THE FIFTH TIME ASKING YOU THIS, will you finally answer?


PLEASE make up your mind though, does the private sector create jobs or is it Gov't? YOU'D THINK WITH THE LOWEST SUSTAINED TAX BURDEN ON THOSE 'JOB CREATORS' IN 80+ YEARS (LOWER THAN REAGAN'S BOOM PERIOD 1981-1987) WE WOULD HAVE JOBS DROPPING OUT OF THE SKY FOR YEARS? WHAT HAPPENED?

The answer to your question is that both can create jobs.

The Private Sector creates jobs because it anticipates profits from investment of capital. The Public Sector creates jobs not with profits...but with revenues that it takes out of the Private Sector. That was the reason that so many of the jobs created under the Obama Stimulus were so short lived. Those public sector jobs aren't self sustaining...they need another influx of taxpayer monies or additional debt added to the deficit to keep going.

Actually, too much of the Obama Stimulus were tax cuts. Only Republicans think major tax cuts creates jobs. Everyone else thinks "demand" creates jobs. Republicans think "supply and demand" is a wild liberal theory if the Republicans of the USMB are any indication.

Oh, Deanie...you keep trotting out your talking point about "demand creating jobs!" despite the fact that it's easily shown to be a false narrative. Demand without an anticipation of profit will NOT create a job...whereas jobs are created every single day by people who see an opportunity to turn a profit on their investment.

If I came to you and said I think there is a demand for !00,000 widgets in the Southeast and nobody is making them...if you were in intelligent person you wouldn't say GREAT LET'S MAKE WIDGETS...you would ask what kind of profit can we make on our investment if we build a factory to make widgets? If the answer to that question is none...or a small profit...then nobody with any sense is going to create a single job because they don't anticipate making a sufficient return on investment!

 

[Oldstyle]

On the other hand...tax cuts allow more money to remain in the hands of your prospective widget maker and might very well make the difference in their decision to go ahead and build a new widget factory. Raising taxes (which is what you tax and spend liberals LOVE to do!) simply adds one more thing to the negative side of the ledger when someone sits down and tries to decide whether or not to risk their capital.

Then you economic simpletons sit there scratching your heads trying to figure out why the Private Sector won't create jobs for you! It's an amazing thing to watch...

 

[pvsi]

Doesn't it seem odd that the GOP, the self proclaimed party of "values and morals" gets their values and morals from what they imagine the Democrats do?

When you talk about Iraq, Republicans say, "But Democrats supported it".

When you talk about billionaires who want to create the worlds largest nuclear waste dump or stop internet gambling to protect their giant casinos, Republicans way, but Democrats have billionaires too.

Republicans will say "Obama and the Democrats supported the Bush Tax Cuts" but won't acknowledge the hostages

Two very unique parties that stand by their principles. It's what makes America great! THAT and our boys in the middle east...

 

[rdean]

The answer to your question is that both can create jobs.

The Private Sector creates jobs because it anticipates profits from investment of capital. The Public Sector creates jobs not with profits...but with revenues that it takes out of the Private Sector. That was the reason that so many of the jobs created under the Obama Stimulus were so short lived. Those public sector jobs aren't self sustaining...they need another influx of taxpayer monies or additional debt added to the deficit to keep going.

Actually, too much of the Obama Stimulus were tax cuts. Only Republicans think major tax cuts creates jobs. Everyone else thinks "demand" creates jobs. Republicans think "supply and demand" is a wild liberal theory if the Republicans of the USMB are any indication.

Oh, Deanie...you keep trotting out your talking point about "demand creating jobs!" despite the fact that it's easily shown to be a false narrative. Demand without an anticipation of profit will NOT create a job...whereas jobs are created every single day by people who see an opportunity to turn a profit on their investment.

If I came to you and said I think there is a demand for !00,000 widgets in the Southeast and nobody is making them...if you were in intelligent person you wouldn't say GREAT LET'S MAKE WIDGETS...you would ask what kind of profit can we make on our investment if we build a factory to make widgets? If the answer to that question is none...or a small profit...then nobody with any sense is going to create a single job because they don't anticipate making a sufficient return on investment!

See what I mean? There has been a demand for a "smart phone" since the 1930's and that demand wasn't filled until the technology came along that could fill the demand. But who would make "widget watches" that didn't do anything? That's you're tarded argument.