Do republicans realize how alone they are on the issue of global warming?

[Old Rocks]

Big Oil and billionnaire polluters pay for for the RW brainwashing, and the character assassination of AlGore...so no.

Ah, here we go again with the evil oil and evil corporations bullshit. the brainwashing is being done by the left wing media and left wing academia that are determined to classify human beings as a pollutant and demand that humans leave the earth.

BTW, since you hate oil, what fuel do you suggest replacing it with? what fuel is currently available in the quantities needed to power all of the cars, trucks, buses, trains, and planes that make the world economy work?

Tell us, what magic fuel will replace evil oil?

Stupid arguement. No one hates oil. It powered the advances that we have seen in the last century. However, it did so at a price. Same for coal.

What will replace oil? Renewables. Things that we can grow, or take from nature, solar, wind, geothermal, waved and current power, without creating major problems.

When we get the science of electrical storage down, a materials science problem that is making strides as we post, most transportation will be powered by electricity. The rest will be powered by biofuels.

In the meantime, we are allready seeing problems created by the climate change from global warmng, and will even more in the future. We had best consider how to deal with the consequences of these changes, and start doing the neccessary building.

 

[Redfish]

Big Oil and billionnaire polluters pay for for the RW brainwashing, and the character assassination of AlGore...so no.

Ah, here we go again with the evil oil and evil corporations bullshit. the brainwashing is being done by the left wing media and left wing academia that are determined to classify human beings as a pollutant and demand that humans leave the earth.
BTW, since you hate oil, what fuel do you suggest replacing it with? what fuel is currently available in the quantities needed to power all of the cars, trucks, buses, trains, and planes that make the world economy work?

Tell us, what magic fuel will replace evil oil?

You deserve nothing more than mocking

nice pic, but I am waiting for you to tell us what fuel will replace oil. either answer the question or STFU and admit that you are nothing but a failed tool of the left.

 

[TakeAStepBack]

Big Oil and billionnaire polluters pay for for the RW brainwashing, and the character assassination of AlGore...so no.

Ah, here we go again with the evil oil and evil corporations bullshit. the brainwashing is being done by the left wing media and left wing academia that are determined to classify human beings as a pollutant and demand that humans leave the earth.

BTW, since you hate oil, what fuel do you suggest replacing it with? what fuel is currently available in the quantities needed to power all of the cars, trucks, buses, trains, and planes that make the world economy work?

Tell us, what magic fuel will replace evil oil?

Stupid arguement. No one hates oil. It powered the advances that we have seen in the last century. However, it did so at a price. Same for coal.

What will replace oil? Renewables. Things that we can grow, or take from nature, solar, wind, geothermal, waved and current power, without creating major problems.

When we get the science of electrical storage down, a materials science problem that is making strides as we post, most transportation will be powered by electricity. The rest will be powered by biofuels.

In the meantime, we are allready seeing problems created by the climate change from global warmng, and will even more in the future. We had best consider how to deal with the consequences of these changes, and start doing the neccessary building.

20 years in negligible temperature increases that deviate from the models. Most of the other predictions have been wrong and needed adjustment. Temperatures remain constant, but CO2 emissions skyrocket. AWG is not about science, you're a gullible old bird, aren't ya?

 

[Old Rocks]

What happens to added energy absorbed by added CO2?

CO2 doesn't absorb energy, at least not any significant amount. Just in the way a blanket doesn't absorb energy, but it still keeps you warm.

What you're implying is that increased CO2 increases temperature in theory, in observation other things are happening that defy the models used to determine the predictions.

I'm stating that we actually measure the outward IR heat flux squeezing down in the CO2 absorption frequencies, just as AGW theory predicted. It's not theory, it's actual observation.

Refer to Occam's. AGW theory is the simplest theory that successfully explains all the observed data, hence it is most likely to be correct.

Konradv was teh one who said CO2 creates extra absorbed energy, not me. Reading comprehension failure.

So the theory predicted it, but it's not theory. Meanwhile, the predictions coming from the models isn't living up to observation. The models are wrong, and yet....hey! Look over there!@ Something shiny.

You are full of it, fellow. The extra heat is from the absorption of the infrared that would normally have been reradiated into space. And we are measuring that extra heat in the oceans and atmosphere.

The predictions are very much coming true. Not in the exact order, and on varying time scales. The aerosols from India and China have ameliorated some of the affects of the extra GHGs that they are emitting. However, the effects of those GHGs, glaciers and ice caps, is way ahead of predictions.

In a decade, we will see an even greater increase in the sea level rise, and faster melting of the cryosphere. And the nuts like you will scream "It's a natural cycle", but not be able to state what that cycle is, same as at present. And you will attempt to obstruct any and every measure to deal with the consequences of the changing climate.

The science is clear to anyone that has actually done the research.

 

[TakeAStepBack]

20 years of no temp increases with skyrocketing CO2 emissions.

 

[TakeAStepBack]

The political science is definitely very clear though.

 

[BlindBoo]

CO2 traps water vapor? I think you need to study up before posting. More water vapor is the result of higher temps, an AGW prediction. That WOULD mean more clouds reflecting sunlight back into space. More clouds, however, means more variable weather, another AGW prediction! You seem to be bleeping over the fact that, while clouds would buffer the heating capacity of the added CO2, to get them you'd have to have more heat in the first place!

Generally the water cycle is a zero sum game. The amount of heat it takes to evaporate the water is given back when the water condenses.

I don't believe it is a buffer. They extra heat stays trapped.

But the whole idea that warming hasn't taken place in 20 years is absurd. Some years it's gone down, other years it's gone up. Peaks and valleys, not a straight line graph. The current Solar Cycle (24) has produces half as many sun-spots than the previous Cycle. I think the best indcator is the amount of melt in the artic during the summer months.

Dude..Where do you think clouds come from?
It's not a zero sum game...
Here's a test..Without looking up, can you tell me what "virga" is?

Condensing water vapor?

When a water molecule evaporates it draws in energy. When a water molecule condenses it gives off heat.

 

[Old Rocks]

Ah, here we go again with the evil oil and evil corporations bullshit. the brainwashing is being done by the left wing media and left wing academia that are determined to classify human beings as a pollutant and demand that humans leave the earth.

BTW, since you hate oil, what fuel do you suggest replacing it with? what fuel is currently available in the quantities needed to power all of the cars, trucks, buses, trains, and planes that make the world economy work?

Tell us, what magic fuel will replace evil oil?

Stupid arguement. No one hates oil. It powered the advances that we have seen in the last century. However, it did so at a price. Same for coal.

What will replace oil? Renewables. Things that we can grow, or take from nature, solar, wind, geothermal, waved and current power, without creating major problems.

When we get the science of electrical storage down, a materials science problem that is making strides as we post, most transportation will be powered by electricity. The rest will be powered by biofuels.

In the meantime, we are allready seeing problems created by the climate change from global warmng, and will even more in the future. We had best consider how to deal with the consequences of these changes, and start doing the neccessary building.

20 years in negligible temperature increases that deviate from the models. Most of the other predictions have been wrong and needed adjustment. Temperatures remain constant, but CO2 emissions skyrocket. AWG is not about science, you're a gullible old bird, aren't ya?

Damn, stupid enough to repeat this lie? Here is a chart of satellite observed temperatures, twenty years ago was 1993. Note the temperatures at that time.

http://www.drroyspencer.com/wp-content/uploads/UAH_LT_1979_thru_Mar_2013_v5.51.png

From 1979 to 1997, you have four individual months going above +0.2, since 1998, the majority of months have been above +0.2.

Before 1997, there were about a third of the months below -0.2. Since 1997, we have had only three months below -0.2.

Run a straight line from the beginning of the chart on the average to the average at the end of the chart, and you have a strong upward slant. But, since most of the warming has occured in the last fifteen years, that line really should be a curve, which means what we have is an accelerating increase. Going to be real interesting to see what the next strong El Nino brings.

 

[Old Rocks]

The political science is definitely very clear though.

Absolutely. Politically inspired denial of reality on the part of you 'Conservatives'.

 

[Ernie S.]

Do republicans realize how alone they are on the issue of global warming?

Galileo Galilei was alone, wasn't he?

 

[Old Rocks]

Generally the water cycle is a zero sum game. The amount of heat it takes to evaporate the water is given back when the water condenses.

I don't believe it is a buffer. They extra heat stays trapped.

But the whole idea that warming hasn't taken place in 20 years is absurd. Some years it's gone down, other years it's gone up. Peaks and valleys, not a straight line graph. The current Solar Cycle (24) has produces half as many sun-spots than the previous Cycle. I think the best indcator is the amount of melt in the artic during the summer months.

Dude..Where do you think clouds come from?
It's not a zero sum game...
Here's a test..Without looking up, can you tell me what "virga" is?

Condensing water vapor?

When a water molecule evaporates it draws in energy. When a water molecule condenses it gives off heat.

https://www-pls.llnl.gov/?url=science_and_technology-earth_sciences-moisture

Increase in Atmospheric Moisture Tied to Human Activities

Observations and climate model results confirm that human-induced warming of the planet is having a pronounced effect on the atmosphere’s total moisture content. Those are the findings of a new study appearing in the Sept. 17 online edition of the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.

“When you heat the planet, you increase the ability of the atmosphere to hold moisture,” said Benjamin Santer, lead author from Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory’s Program for Climate Modeling and Intercomparison. “The atmosphere’s water vapor content has increased by about 0.41 kilograms per square meter (kg/m²) per decade since 1988, and natural variability in climate just can’t explain this moisture change. The most plausible explanation is that it’s due to the human-caused increase in greenhouse gases.”

More water vapor – which is itself a greenhouse gas – amplifies the warming effect of increased atmospheric levels of carbon dioxide. This is what scientists call a “positive feedback.”

Using 22 different computer models of the climate system and measurements from the satellite-based Special Sensor Microwave Imager (SSM/I), atmospheric scientists from LLNL and eight other international research centers have shown that the recent increase in moisture content over the bulk of the world’s oceans is not due to solar forcing or gradual recovery from the 1991 eruption of Mount Pinatubo. The primary driver of this ‘atmospheric moistening’ is the increase in carbon dioxide caused by the burning of fossil fuels.

“This is the first identification of a human fingerprint on the amount of water vapor in the atmosphere,” Santer said. “Fingerprint” studies seek to identify the causes of recent climate change and involve rigorous comparisons of modeled and observed climate change patterns. To date, most fingerprint studies have focused on temperature changes at the Earth’s surface, in the free atmosphere, or in the oceans, or have considered variables whose behavior is directly related to changes in atmospheric temperature.

 

[Old Rocks]

Do republicans realize how alone they are on the issue of global warming?

Galileo Galilei was alone, wasn't he?

No, he had most of the natural philosophers in the world on his side. But the power of the time, the Church, fought the truth. Today, in this nation, the power of the time is the Corperations, and they are fighting the truth, just as the Church did in Galileo's time.

 

[Old Rocks]

Interesting how the denialists here post unsupported flap-yap, and the people worried about the effects of the climate change we are currently seeing, post real science from the scientists.

 

[ClosedCaption]

Ah, here we go again with the evil oil and evil corporations bullshit. the brainwashing is being done by the left wing media and left wing academia that are determined to classify human beings as a pollutant and demand that humans leave the earth.
BTW, since you hate oil, what fuel do you suggest replacing it with? what fuel is currently available in the quantities needed to power all of the cars, trucks, buses, trains, and planes that make the world economy work?

Tell us, what magic fuel will replace evil oil?

You deserve nothing more than mocking

nice pic, but I am waiting for you to tell us what fuel will replace oil. either answer the question or STFU and admit that you are nothing but a failed tool of the left.

to classify human beings as a pollutant and demand that humans leave the earth.


All you get is Mock for being so stupid

 

[TakeAStepBack]

Stupid arguement. No one hates oil. It powered the advances that we have seen in the last century. However, it did so at a price. Same for coal.

What will replace oil? Renewables. Things that we can grow, or take from nature, solar, wind, geothermal, waved and current power, without creating major problems.

When we get the science of electrical storage down, a materials science problem that is making strides as we post, most transportation will be powered by electricity. The rest will be powered by biofuels.

In the meantime, we are allready seeing problems created by the climate change from global warmng, and will even more in the future. We had best consider how to deal with the consequences of these changes, and start doing the neccessary building.

20 years in negligible temperature increases that deviate from the models. Most of the other predictions have been wrong and needed adjustment. Temperatures remain constant, but CO2 emissions skyrocket. AWG is not about science, you're a gullible old bird, aren't ya?

Damn, stupid enough to repeat this lie? Here is a chart of satellite observed temperatures, twenty years ago was 1993. Note the temperatures at that time.

http://www.drroyspencer.com/wp-content/uploads/UAH_LT_1979_thru_Mar_2013_v5.51.png

From 1979 to 1997, you have four individual months going above +0.2, since 1998, the majority of months have been above +0.2.

Before 1997, there were about a third of the months below -0.2. Since 1997, we have had only three months below -0.2.

Run a straight line from the beginning of the chart on the average to the average at the end of the chart, and you have a strong upward slant. But, since most of the warming has occured in the last fifteen years, that line really should be a curve, which means what we have is an accelerating increase. Going to be real interesting to see what the next strong El Nino brings.

Pass the pipe, fella. The models have failed. No warming in 20 years while CO2 wmissions have skyrocketed.

 

[TakeAStepBack]

Interesting how the denialists here post unsupported flap-yap, and the people worried about the effects of the climate change we are currently seeing, post real science from the scientists.

No warming in 20 years, skyrocketing CO2 emissions.

 

[ClosedCaption]

Interesting how the denialists here post unsupported flap-yap, and the people worried about the effects of the climate change we are currently seeing, post real science from the scientists.

No warming in 20 years, skyrocketing CO2 emissions.

That's the 3rd time you said that so let me ask this question that others seem unable to answer:

What does no warming in the last 20 years have to do with Global Warming?

 

[Redfish]

You deserve nothing more than mocking

nice pic, but I am waiting for you to tell us what fuel will replace oil. either answer the question or STFU and admit that you are nothing but a failed tool of the left.

to classify human beings as a pollutant and demand that humans leave the earth.


All you get is Mock for being so stupid

it was sarcasm, idiot. sorry if that was beyond your mental abilities.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Big Oil and billionnaire polluters pay for for the RW brainwashing, and the character assassination of AlGore...so no.

Then STOP USING THE STUFF.

 

[Redfish]

Interesting how the denialists here post unsupported flap-yap, and the people worried about the effects of the climate change we are currently seeing, post real science from the scientists.

what you warmist fools fail to grasp is that IF the climate is changing, humans have nothing to do with it, cannot stop it, and changing lifestyles will do nothing but make tax dollars for marxists.