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That sounds unwieldy.Many Christians believe souls existed in pre-mortality.
The Mormons have built an entire religion on souls and families linked through the eternities.
Very romantic is part of the attraction, if you get around the plural marriage thingy.That sounds unwieldy.
I am trying to grasp the existence of souls as separate from our physical bodies. Are souls created at the moment of conception, or do they already exist beforehand? On a biological level, it seems that the penetration of a human egg by a sperm cell is hardly a metaphysical event. On a religious level, however, the Bible says that Jesus (The Word) existed even before Mary became pregnant.
This suggests to me that other souls may exist prior to human conception as well as after physical death. In that case, it seems that these eternal souls might inhabit our bodies only during our lifetimes before being reincarnated in someone else's body. Is this antithetical to Christian or other religious beliefs? If so, please explain.
In the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints we do believe that our spirits existed prior to being born. In fact we believe that we are the literal offspring of God the Father in the spirit (Acts 17:28-29). Below are some verses that indicate that we had a premortal life as spirit children of God:I am trying to grasp the existence of souls as separate from our physical bodies. Are souls created at the moment of conception, or do they already exist beforehand? On a biological level, it seems that the penetration of a human egg by a sperm cell is hardly a metaphysical event. On a religious level, however, the Bible says that Jesus (The Word) existed even before Mary became pregnant.
This suggests to me that other souls may exist prior to human conception as well as after physical death. In that case, it seems that these eternal souls might inhabit our bodies only during our lifetimes before being reincarnated in someone else's body. Is this antithetical to Christian or other religious beliefs? If so, please explain.
Angels were never men, sons of God......and men will never be angels. After reading your first mistranslated scripture (there is no need to read further) from your version of the Holy Bible or the plagiarized Book of Mormon.In the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints we do believe that our spirits existed prior to being born. In fact we believe that we are the literal offspring of God the Father in the spirit (Acts 17:28-29). Below are some verses that indicate that we had a premortal life as spirit children of God:
Premortal Life
The life before earth life. All men and women lived with God as His spirit children before coming to the earth as mortal beings. This is sometimes called the first estate (Abr. 3:26).
- See also Beginning; Council in Heaven; Man, Men; War in Heaven
- When God laid the foundations of the earth, all the sons of God shouted for joy, Job 38:4–7.
- The spirit shall return unto God who gave it, Eccl. 12:7.
- Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee, Jer. 1:4–5.
- We are all his offspring, Acts 17:28.
- God chose us before the foundation of the world, Eph. 1:3–4.
- We are to be in subjection to the Father of spirits, Heb. 12:9.
- The angels which kept not their first estate, he hath reserved in everlasting chains, Jude 1:6 (Abr. 3:26).
- The Devil and his angels were cast out, Rev. 12:9.
- They were called and prepared from the foundation of the world, Alma 13:3.
- Christ looked upon the expanse of eternity and hosts of heaven before the world was made, D&C 38:1.
- Man was also in the beginning with God, D&C 93:29 (Hel. 14:17; D&C 49:17).
- Noble spirits were chosen in the beginning to be rulers in the Church, D&C 138:53–55.
- Many received their first lessons in the world of spirits, D&C 138:56.
- All things were created spiritually before they were on earth, Moses 3:5.
- I made the world, and men before they were in the flesh, Moses 6:51.
- Abraham saw the intelligences that were organized before the world was, Abr. 3:21–24.
Revelation 12:7-11 describes the War in Heaven. Those who did not side with Lucifer eventually overcame him by the blood of the Lamb and loved not their lives unto the death. This tells us that those who sided with the Father and His Christ eventually were to overcome Satan by needing the blood of the Lamb or in other words forgiveness of sins while they were in mortality. Loving not your lives unto the death tells us that they who fought valiantly in the War in Heaven were eventually subject to death. Only those who are experiencing a mortal life are in need of the blood of the Lamb and are subject to death. Thus premortal spirits who were valiant in the war in heaven and were found on the side of the Lord were allowed to come to this earth and partake in a mortal life with flesh and bone bodies. Those who sided with Satan were denied the opportunity to receive bodies of flesh and bones and will not be able to live in eternity with resurrected bodies of flesh and bones which is a great blessing from God.
I believe the word "Rapture" is never mentioned in the Holy Scriptures, therefore Rapture is not a biblical subject. There is no basis for a Rapture doctrine, it is a man made term. The rapture doctrine requires to many returns of Christ Jesus. The proponents of a rapture doctrine have Jesus coming back to earth in order to take the righteous away for 7 years, then they have the Christ returning to earth in order to establish a physical kingdom in Jerusalem. Then at the end of a supposed 1000 year reign on earth they have Him raising the dead and judging them.Clyde, do you believe in the Rapture.
Angels were never men, sons of God......and men will never be angels. After reading your first mistranslated scripture (there is no need to read further) from your version of the Holy Bible or the plagiarized Book of Mormon.
"Job 38:4-7".......your cult describes Angels, Spirit Beings as sons of God shouting for glory.......not angels as is the actual translation as addressed by the subject matter and context of this passage of scriptures. Angels are not Sons of God.......angels are created spirit beings, ".....ministering SPIRITS" -- Heb. 1:14.
Angels are foremost described as "messengers" of God. (Heb. 2:2). God created them in numbers to great to count (Heb. 12:22, Rev. 5:11) There are only "2" angels mentioned by Name in the Holy Bible. Example: Michael -- Jude 9. Gabriel -- Luke 1:19.
Some angels refuse to identify themselves by name when asked. -- Genesis 32:29, Judges 13:17-18.
Angels were part of the creation, "For by Him all things were created, in heaven and earth, visible and invisible......" -- Col. 1:16-17 Angels were created with the rest of the world, "..........all His angels: For He commanded and they were created. (Ps. 148:2-5)
Angels are of a higher order than mankind, "......man was created a little lower than heavenly beings." -- Ps. 8:4-5.
Angels do not marry. (Matthew 22:30). Angels are created with FREE WILL, just like man, and are capable of sinning against God. (2 Peter 2:4)
Angels are not to be worshiped (Rev. 19:10). Angels can be disciples of Satan (Matthew 25:41) There are existing "ranks" among angels. Michael is addressed as an Archangel..... a chief or captain among angels. (Jude 9, Dan. 10:13).
Angels can take on the form man as to not be recognized as angels, but angels are not men. (Dan. 8:15, Heb. 13:2), some have the appearance of soldiers when contacting man (Judges 5:13-15).
The answer is no.I am trying to grasp the existence of souls as separate from our physical bodies. Are souls created at the moment of conception, or do they already exist beforehand? On a biological level, it seems that the penetration of a human egg by a sperm cell is hardly a metaphysical event. On a religious level, however, the Bible says that Jesus (The Word) existed even before Mary became pregnant.
This suggests to me that other souls may exist prior to human conception as well as after physical death. In that case, it seems that these eternal souls might inhabit our bodies only during our lifetimes before being reincarnated in someone else's body. Is this antithetical to Christian or other religious beliefs? If so, please explain.
Look around you. You have family. Maybe friendsI struggle with the concept that souls actually exist. If they do, where are they?
False doctrine. Spirit beings (angels are spirit beings -- Heb. 1:13-14 ), have no flesh and bones as you are propagating. Jesus stated as much (Luke 24:39) Again you are confusing symbolic text with literal text. What? Are you suggesting that an angel, literally, stretched out his hands to destroy Jerusalem? -- 2 Sam. 24:16Angels
There are two kinds of beings in heaven who are called angels: those who are spirits and those who have bodies of flesh and bone. Angels who are spirits have not yet obtained a body of flesh and bone, or they are spirits who have once had a mortal body and are awaiting resurrection. Angels who have bodies of flesh and bone have either been resurrected from the dead or translated.
There are many references in scripture to the work of angels. Sometimes angels speak with a voice of thunder as they deliver God’s messages (Mosiah 27:11–16). Righteous mortal men may also be called angels (JST, Gen. 19:15 [Appendix]). Some angels serve around the throne of God in heaven (Alma 36:22).
The scriptures also speak of the devil’s angels. These are those spirits who followed Lucifer and were thrust out of God’s presence in the premortal life and cast down to the earth (Rev. 12:1–9; 2 Ne. 9:9, 16; D&C 29:36–37).
- Jacob saw angels of God ascending and descending, Gen. 28:12.
- Angels of God met Jacob, Gen. 32:1–2.
- Gideon saw an angel of the Lord face to face, Judg. 6:22.
- An angel stretched out his hand upon Jerusalem to destroy it, 2 Sam. 24:16.
- An angel touched Elijah and said to him, Arise and eat, 1 Kgs. 19:5–7.
- Daniel saw the angel Gabriel in a vision, Dan. 8:15–16.
- The angel Michael helped Daniel, Dan. 10:13.
- The angel Gabriel was sent from God, Luke 1:19, 26–27.
- The devil’s angels will be reserved in chains unto the judgment, Jude 1:6 (2 Pet. 2:4).
- People saw angels descending out of heaven, 3 Ne. 17:24.
- Moroni wrote about the ministering of angels, Moro. 7:25–32.
- The Aaronic Priesthood holds the keys of the ministering of angels, D&C 13.
- Moroni, John the Baptist, Peter, James, John, Moses, Elijah, and Elias all ministered to Joseph Smith as angels, D&C 27:5–12.
- Ye are not able to abide the ministering of angels, D&C 67:13.
- Michael, the archangel, is Adam, D&C 107:54.
- Angels are resurrected personages, having bodies of flesh and bones, D&C 129.
- There are no angels who minister to this earth but those who belong to it, D&C 130:5.
- Men who do not obey God’s law of eternal marriage neither marry nor are given in marriage but are appointed angels in heaven, D&C 132:16–17.
Historical Fact.......it was the Roman Empire that God used to bring judgement upon the sinful nation of Israel, Rome totally destroyed Jerusalem around 70 AD. Jesus Himself stated that this event would be the judgement of God when He compared this event that was to take place in "this very generation" with the prophecy of Daniel (1st century) -- Matthew 24:15 Jesus directly declared, "this is the desolation of abomination spoken of by Daniel" Jesus had warned the Jewish leadership that this generation would not pass until God's judgement would be upon them. (Matthew 24:34, Matthew 23:36)
I don't believe that. There exists no evidence for your claims.Look around you. You have family. Maybe friends
And God breathed into him the breath of life, and Man BECAME a living soul
I am sure you believe that.Look around you. You have family. Maybe friends
And God breathed into him the breath of life, and Man BECAME a living soul
This is the RELIGION Forum. I quoted Scripture on the topic. If you don't accept it, you don't belong here. Perhaps the Atheist Forum is better suited to youI don't believe that. There exists no evidence for your claims.
I believe the Word of God. This is the RELIGION FORUMI am sure you believe that.
The scriptures make it clear. God wants everyone to be saved by coming to the knowledge of the truth (1 Tim. 2:4). Where is TRUTH located? "Sanctify them in thy truth..........Your word is truth." -- John 17:17While I appreciate the Biblical references in this thread, their various citations and interpretations seem to underscore man's inability to completely understand the divine. The story of three blind men in a room with an elephant may be apropos: The first blind man feels the elephant's leg and describes it to be like a tree; the second blind man describes the nose to be like a snake; and the third blind man describes the tail to be like a rope. All three description are accurate, but no one understands the nature of an elephant.
