Do voters understand that GOP economics is a catastrophe in the making?

[Brain357]

Read it more slowly this time:

Tariffs hurt manufacturing. We are less competitive when our manufacturing is forced to use more expensive steel. Sales go down. Demand for steel goes down. Tariffs have done this many times. Learn from history.

You couldnt be more wrong

we are not exporting steel products to china

they are exporting raw steel and products made from steel to the US

tariffs hurt chinese exports and help American manufacturing

You need to learn economics. Steel tariffs mean our manufacturing is forced to use more expensive steel. That makes our manufacturing less competitive and we see that with the decline in manufacturing. A decline in manufacturing means the demand for steel goes down which leads to steel layoffs. Again try to read slowly.

Steel tariffs do not make American products less competitive

American workers are competing with low wage and or slave labor in china

and with the low costs of nonexistent chinese environmental costs

we need tariffs on chinese products because Americans cannot and should not have to work for $1 an hour

How can you say that knowing manufacturing is down after the tariffs and steel has huge layoffs? You speak nonsense.

Because there is no evidence that manufacturing is down thanks to tariffs

But there is

Steel tariffs hurt manufacturers downstream, data shows

 

[Mac-7]

All you did was hurl the first taking point you remembered without specifically tying the steel layoffs to tariffs

Read it more slowly this time:

Tariffs hurt manufacturing. We are less competitive when our manufacturing is forced to use more expensive steel. Sales go down. Demand for steel goes down. Tariffs have done this many times. Learn from history.

You couldnt be more wrong

we are not exporting steel products to china

they are exporting raw steel and products made from steel to the US

tariffs hurt chinese exports and help American manufacturing

Then why are American steel producers still laying people off?

Manufacturing is slowing?

Trucking companies blame slow manufacturing for rough 2019 volumes

From your source:
The most recent reading for January 2020 indicated growth for the first time since last July, which is a positive indicator for trucking companies.

The economy is never a rocket going up and never slowing

so it was a little slow, possibly due in part to the trade war, but now its going up again

 

[Brain357]

Read it more slowly this time:

Tariffs hurt manufacturing. We are less competitive when our manufacturing is forced to use more expensive steel. Sales go down. Demand for steel goes down. Tariffs have done this many times. Learn from history.

You couldnt be more wrong

we are not exporting steel products to china

they are exporting raw steel and products made from steel to the US

tariffs hurt chinese exports and help American manufacturing

Then why are American steel producers still laying people off?

Manufacturing is slowing?

Trucking companies blame slow manufacturing for rough 2019 volumes

From your source:
The most recent reading for January 2020 indicated growth for the first time since last July, which is a positive indicator for trucking companies.

The economy is never a rocket going up and never slowing

so it was a little slow, possibly due in part to the trade war, but now its going up again

A small tick up in months. Yeah

 

[Mac-7]

You couldnt be more wrong

we are not exporting steel products to china

they are exporting raw steel and products made from steel to the US

tariffs hurt chinese exports and help American manufacturing

You need to learn economics. Steel tariffs mean our manufacturing is forced to use more expensive steel. That makes our manufacturing less competitive and we see that with the decline in manufacturing. A decline in manufacturing means the demand for steel goes down which leads to steel layoffs. Again try to read slowly.

Steel tariffs do not make American products less competitive

American workers are competing with low wage and or slave labor in china

and with the low costs of nonexistent chinese environmental costs

we need tariffs on chinese products because Americans cannot and should not have to work for $1 an hour

How can you say that knowing manufacturing is down after the tariffs and steel has huge layoffs? You speak nonsense.

Because there is no evidence that manufacturing is down thanks to tariffs

But there is

Steel tariffs hurt manufacturers downstream, data shows

I know the bias of NPR so dont expect them to say anything helpful to trump

but even they admit that the tariffs helped US steel workers

so the chinese tried to avoid the tariffs by importing more finished products made from steel such as nails

now the US - all of this from your NPR source - is putting tariffs on imported chinese finished products

Maybe you were expecting a silver bullet from tariffs but not me

this is a long-term project not a one-shot deal

 

[Mac-7]

Tariffs never work.

Is that why almost every country in the world has higher tariffs than we do?

They also address the businesses that move offshore. We refuse to.

Tariffs address offshoring? We refuse to address offshoring?

It can IF properly done with other measures also. We have not done that.

Offshoring is an issue that we need stronger measures against

if GM closes an auto plant in America and builds the car in china we need to slap a big tariff on that car

Why not a big increase on the taxes of that company? Why should the consumer be the one to pay?

A tariff on imported china cars would be a tax on GM national disloyality

 

[Mac-7]

They simply retaliated in kind. That's how these things work.

Tariffs never work. Repubs are really stupid to think they will when they have a long history of failure.

Tariffs never work.

Is that why almost every country in the world has higher tariffs than we do?

It’s why they aren’t the biggest economy in the world. You want us to follow lesser economies?

I dont want to import everything we consume from china

if that means tariffs so be it

We don't import everything we consume from Jina, but you do apparently want to pay more for some goods. And we're not bringing back jobs, we're simply moving them elsewhere in Asia, and relocating mftring also increases costs and consumer prices.

Tariffs may be justifiable when they are aimed at countries that don't offer free access to their markets or subsidize production with govt spending. Jina was accussed of both. But Trump has a trade deal now, the merits of which are debated by those with knowledge

Even if we merely move production from china that is a win for America because it reduces chinas influence and economic power

plus it reduces our dependance on an economic, political and military rival

but in time we can shift jobs back to America

it just wont happen overnight

 

[AntonToo]

You need to learn economics. Steel tariffs mean our manufacturing is forced to use more expensive steel. That makes our manufacturing less competitive and we see that with the decline in manufacturing. A decline in manufacturing means the demand for steel goes down which leads to steel layoffs. Again try to read slowly.

Steel tariffs do not make American products less competitive

American workers are competing with low wage and or slave labor in china

and with the low costs of nonexistent chinese environmental costs

we need tariffs on chinese products because Americans cannot and should not have to work for $1 an hour

How can you say that knowing manufacturing is down after the tariffs and steel has huge layoffs? You speak nonsense.

Because there is no evidence that manufacturing is down thanks to tariffs

But there is

Steel tariffs hurt manufacturers downstream, data shows

I know the bias of NPR so dont expect them to say anything helpful to trump

but even they admit that the tariffs helped US steel workers

This NPR?

economists at the Federal Reserve say the initial steel tariffs actually backfired, increasing costs and forcing job cuts. The latest job cuts come from U.S. Steel, which will soon lay off more than 1,500 workers at its massive facility near Detroit. From member station WDET in Detroit, Quinn Klinefelter reports.

Over 1,500 Layoffs Coming To U.S. Steel Plant Near Detroit

 

[Mac-7]

Steel tariffs do not make American products less competitive

American workers are competing with low wage and or slave labor in china

and with the low costs of nonexistent chinese environmental costs

we need tariffs on chinese products because Americans cannot and should not have to work for $1 an hour

How can you say that knowing manufacturing is down after the tariffs and steel has huge layoffs? You speak nonsense.

Because there is no evidence that manufacturing is down thanks to tariffs

But there is

Steel tariffs hurt manufacturers downstream, data shows

I know the bias of NPR so dont expect them to say anything helpful to trump

but even they admit that the tariffs helped US steel workers

This NPR?

economists at the Federal Reserve say the initial steel tariffs actually backfired, increasing costs and forcing job cuts. The latest job cuts come from U.S. Steel, which will soon lay off more than 1,500 workers at its massive facility near Detroit. From member station WDET in Detroit, Quinn Klinefelter reports.

Over 1,500 Layoffs Coming To U.S. Steel Plant Near Detroit

I will give you someone who is even better than an economist

because unlike the academics he puts his money where his mouth is

warren buffett

the trump solution is not exactly the same as what buffett prosed but the goal of returning manufacturing and jobs to America and reducing our trade deficit is the same

Warren Buffett: Here's How I Would Solve the Trade Problem

buffett sees tariffs as a last resort but still a useful tool

 

[Markle]

LOL, you see the idea that not everyone can see a doctor or afford medical care when they need it as a positive thing. I initially chuckled but really, that's sad that you would think that way.

But, your leading candidate, Socialist Bernie Sanders, sees even bread lines as a good thing. How can he be trusted with our health care when he believes we should stand in line for a loaf of bread?

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

That means that when they get big tax breaks, they don’t invest the money they save. Why? Because it’s easier to just keep it. Why invest in labor if they are already wealthier than ever before?

I've actually taken Econ 101 and can explain it to you. If they don't invest in better jobs and better products, a domestic or foreign competitor will and then drive them into bankruptcy.

Do you ever think of studying economics to learn something about it??

 

[Billy000]

That means that when they get big tax breaks, they don’t invest the money they save. Why? Because it’s easier to just keep it. Why invest in labor if they are already wealthier than ever before?

I've actually taken Econ 101 and can explain it to you. If they don't invest in better jobs and better products, a domestic or foreign competitor will and then drive them into bankruptcy.

Do you ever think of studying economics to learn something about it??

That assumes a company has an incentive to which is true for some. For others, whose profits are at an all time high - there isn’t a need.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

That assumes a company has an incentive to which is true for some. For others, whose profits are at an all time high - there isn’t a need.

No need to watch out for domestic and international competition that is always trying to bankrupt you???? 10,000 go bankrupt every month. What planet are you on?

 

[AntonToo]

How can you say that knowing manufacturing is down after the tariffs and steel has huge layoffs? You speak nonsense.

Because there is no evidence that manufacturing is down thanks to tariffs

But there is

Steel tariffs hurt manufacturers downstream, data shows

I know the bias of NPR so dont expect them to say anything helpful to trump

but even they admit that the tariffs helped US steel workers

This NPR?

economists at the Federal Reserve say the initial steel tariffs actually backfired, increasing costs and forcing job cuts. The latest job cuts come from U.S. Steel, which will soon lay off more than 1,500 workers at its massive facility near Detroit. From member station WDET in Detroit, Quinn Klinefelter reports.

Over 1,500 Layoffs Coming To U.S. Steel Plant Near Detroit

I will give you someone who is even better than an economist

because unlike the academics he puts his money where his mouth is

warren buffett

the trump solution is not exactly the same as what buffett prosed but the goal of returning manufacturing and jobs to America and reducing our trade deficit is the same

Warren Buffett: Here's How I Would Solve the Trade Problem

buffett sees tariffs as a last resort but still a useful tool

There is nothing in your link to suggest that Warren Buffet disagrees that the steel tarifs backfired.

2 years after these tarrifs went into effect we have LESS people employed in the industry, not more - you don't need Warren's opinion to know they didn't work.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

2 years after these tarrifs went into effect we have LESS people employed in the industry, not more - you don't need Warren's opinion to know they didn't work.

Trump is trying to use tariffs to pressure the Chinese into free trade. Its about time now that we have lost 20 million jobs to China thanks to idiotic liberal anti business policies.

 

[Mac-7]

Because there is no evidence that manufacturing is down thanks to tariffs

But there is

Steel tariffs hurt manufacturers downstream, data shows

I know the bias of NPR so dont expect them to say anything helpful to trump

but even they admit that the tariffs helped US steel workers

This NPR?

economists at the Federal Reserve say the initial steel tariffs actually backfired, increasing costs and forcing job cuts. The latest job cuts come from U.S. Steel, which will soon lay off more than 1,500 workers at its massive facility near Detroit. From member station WDET in Detroit, Quinn Klinefelter reports.

Over 1,500 Layoffs Coming To U.S. Steel Plant Near Detroit

I will give you someone who is even better than an economist

because unlike the academics he puts his money where his mouth is

warren buffett

the trump solution is not exactly the same as what buffett prosed but the goal of returning manufacturing and jobs to America and reducing our trade deficit is the same

Warren Buffett: Here's How I Would Solve the Trade Problem

buffett sees tariffs as a last resort but still a useful tool

There is nothing in your link to suggest that Warren Buffet disagrees that the steel tarifs backfired.

2 years after these tarrifs went into effect we have LESS people employed in the industry, not more - you don't need Warren's opinion to know they didn't work.

That was 2016 before the trump steel tariffs

buffet clearly disagrees with the globalists who are not worried about the trade deficit and the absence of American manufacturing

his plan is import credits that will in the end impose tariffs on foreign goods

 

[Brain357]

You need to learn economics. Steel tariffs mean our manufacturing is forced to use more expensive steel. That makes our manufacturing less competitive and we see that with the decline in manufacturing. A decline in manufacturing means the demand for steel goes down which leads to steel layoffs. Again try to read slowly.

Steel tariffs do not make American products less competitive

American workers are competing with low wage and or slave labor in china

and with the low costs of nonexistent chinese environmental costs

we need tariffs on chinese products because Americans cannot and should not have to work for $1 an hour

How can you say that knowing manufacturing is down after the tariffs and steel has huge layoffs? You speak nonsense.

Because there is no evidence that manufacturing is down thanks to tariffs

But there is

Steel tariffs hurt manufacturers downstream, data shows

I know the bias of NPR so dont expect them to say anything helpful to trump

but even they admit that the tariffs helped US steel workers

so the chinese tried to avoid the tariffs by importing more finished products made from steel such as nails

now the US - all of this from your NPR source - is putting tariffs on imported chinese finished products

Maybe you were expecting a silver bullet from tariffs but not me

this is a long-term project not a one-shot deal

So you are going to ignore facts and keep talking nonsense.

 

[Bruce_T_Laney]

Let’s put aside the merits of leftwing American politics. We’ll just agree to disagree on that for now. Let’s just discuss the viability of GOP economics which is the fantasy of trickledown/supply side economics. Sure that shit sounds good until - you know - one thinks about it from a logical standpoint. Giving corporations more capital to sell products doesn’t somehow translate into more demand from the consumers. That isn’t how economics work. Our economy is a CONSUMER driven economy. It depends on people spending money. That is how it has ALWAYS worked. Corporations in this day age are wealthier than ever before. That means that when they get big tax breaks, they don’t invest the money they save. Why? Because it’s easier to just keep it. Why invest in labor if they are already wealthier than ever before?

Doesn’t it bother republicans that the GOP does NOTHING for the middle class? A strong middle class is how you keep this economy viable because they are the biggest CONSUMERS. A time will come when this economy will fail because of GOP economics. Rich people can’t stay rich if the wages of the middle class and poor remain way behind on inflation.

How can one possibly justify GOP policy?

Republicans do nothing for the middle class but Democrats will tax the shit out of them. How is that helping them.

The only one proposing taxing the middle class is Bernie’s Medicare for all plan which would ultimately save the middle class money and businesses money because one would not have to worry about the cost of co-pays, deductibles, and monthly premiums eating up their paychecks.

If it is Medicare for All you would still need a supplemental plan b insurance provider to cover what the Government will not pay, so you will be taxed while also having to pay out of pocket for the supplemental insurance!

So what you and Bernie are lying about is you want Universal Healthcare which in this country would end up like the VA system where people will get lousy service for the taxes they pay into the system...

Also the middle class will be taxed along with the poor for that system along with being taxed for the free education, and new green deal that Sanders want to implement and yet you refuse to admit this and I wonder why?

Simple, if Bernie or you told the truth then you know the taxpayer will tell you to eat shit and die because no way a sane person would vote for a person who want to kill the Health Insurance Industry, take your private insurance and force you on a VA type system while raising your taxes by not a little but a lot!

Oh, and before you proclaim it would never be like the VA, it will and Republicans will defund the crap out of it to make it useless causing people to beg for private insurance!

Now what do you have to say about that?

 

[Mac-7]

Steel tariffs do not make American products less competitive

American workers are competing with low wage and or slave labor in china

and with the low costs of nonexistent chinese environmental costs

we need tariffs on chinese products because Americans cannot and should not have to work for $1 an hour

How can you say that knowing manufacturing is down after the tariffs and steel has huge layoffs? You speak nonsense.

Because there is no evidence that manufacturing is down thanks to tariffs

But there is

Steel tariffs hurt manufacturers downstream, data shows

I know the bias of NPR so dont expect them to say anything helpful to trump

but even they admit that the tariffs helped US steel workers

so the chinese tried to avoid the tariffs by importing more finished products made from steel such as nails

now the US - all of this from your NPR source - is putting tariffs on imported chinese finished products

Maybe you were expecting a silver bullet from tariffs but not me

this is a long-term project not a one-shot deal

So you are going to ignore facts and keep talking nonsense.

No

I’m giving you common sense

globalism that moves jobs to china is bad for America no mater what the academics tell you

 

[Brain357]

How can you say that knowing manufacturing is down after the tariffs and steel has huge layoffs? You speak nonsense.

Because there is no evidence that manufacturing is down thanks to tariffs

But there is

Steel tariffs hurt manufacturers downstream, data shows

I know the bias of NPR so dont expect them to say anything helpful to trump

but even they admit that the tariffs helped US steel workers

so the chinese tried to avoid the tariffs by importing more finished products made from steel such as nails

now the US - all of this from your NPR source - is putting tariffs on imported chinese finished products

Maybe you were expecting a silver bullet from tariffs but not me

this is a long-term project not a one-shot deal

So you are going to ignore facts and keep talking nonsense.

No

I’m giving you common sense

globalism that moves jobs to china is bad for America no mayter what the academics tell you

Yeah steel layoffs and slowing manufacturing is good, so is a huge farmer bailout. I don’t think you have common sense.

 

[Markle]

Let’s just discuss the viability of GOP economics which is the fantasy of trickledown/supply side economics.

It's been said/done/proven failure since>>>

~S~

As you know, President Ronald Reagan led us out of the malaise of President Jimmy Carter and into a quarter-century of economic growth. Why is that a problem for you?