Do voters understand that GOP economics is a catastrophe in the making?

[Toddsterpatriot]

They simply retaliated in kind. That's how these things work.

Tariffs never work. Repubs are really stupid to think they will when they have a long history of failure.

Tariffs never work.

Is that why almost every country in the world has higher tariffs than we do?

It’s why they aren’t the biggest economy in the world. You want us to follow lesser economies?

You want us to follow lesser economies?

I want them to cut tariffs on our goods.

As do I. But shooting a hole in our boat doesn’t help that.

And if shooting another hole in their boat, by reducing our imports, gets them to cut tariffs...……..?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

I asked you a simple question and you ran away

but I’ll repeat if in case you forgot

how is trump tariffs on imported chinese steel to blame for steel layoffs in the US?

The question was answered. Love how you wait 3 seconds and claim somebody ran away.

All you did was hurl the first taking point you remembered without specifically tying the steel layoffs to tariffs

Read it more slowly this time:

Tariffs hurt manufacturing. We are less competitive when our manufacturing is forced to use more expensive steel. Sales go down. Demand for steel goes down. Tariffs have done this many times. Learn from history.

You couldnt be more wrong

we are not exporting steel products to china

they are exporting raw steel and products made from steel to the US

tariffs hurt chinese exports and help American manufacturing

Then why are American steel producers still laying people off?

Manufacturing is slowing?

 

[Brain357]

Tariffs never work. Repubs are really stupid to think they will when they have a long history of failure.

Tariffs never work.

Is that why almost every country in the world has higher tariffs than we do?

They also address the businesses that move offshore. We refuse to.

Tariffs address offshoring? We refuse to address offshoring?

It can IF properly done with other measures also. We have not done that.

Offshoring is an issue that we need stronger measures against

if GM closes an auto plant in America and builds the car in china we need to slap a big tariff on that car

Higher taxes on us will show them. That has never worked...

 

[pknopp]

Tariffs never work. Repubs are really stupid to think they will when they have a long history of failure.

Tariffs never work.

Is that why almost every country in the world has higher tariffs than we do?

They also address the businesses that move offshore. We refuse to.

Tariffs address offshoring? We refuse to address offshoring?

It can IF properly done with other measures also. We have not done that.

Offshoring is an issue that we need stronger measures against

if GM closes an auto plant in America and builds the car in china we need to slap a big tariff on that car

Why not a big increase on the taxes of that company? Why should the consumer be the one to pay?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

I asked you a simple question and you ran away

but I’ll repeat if in case you forgot

how is trump tariffs on imported chinese steel to blame for steel layoffs in the US?

The question was answered. Love how you wait 3 seconds and claim somebody ran away.

All you did was hurl the first taking point you remembered without specifically tying the steel layoffs to tariffs

Read it more slowly this time:

Tariffs hurt manufacturing. We are less competitive when our manufacturing is forced to use more expensive steel. Sales go down. Demand for steel goes down. Tariffs have done this many times. Learn from history.

You couldnt be more wrong

we are not exporting steel products to china

they are exporting raw steel and products made from steel to the US

tariffs hurt chinese exports and help American manufacturing

You need to learn economics. Steel tariffs mean our manufacturing is forced to use more expensive steel. That makes our manufacturing less competitive and we see that with the decline in manufacturing. A decline in manufacturing means the demand for steel goes down which leads to steel layoffs. Again try to read slowly.

Steel tariffs mean our manufacturing is forced to use more expensive steel.

Which should result in more US steel being used, not less.

 

[bendog]

The question was answered. Love how you wait 3 seconds and claim somebody ran away.

All you did was hurl the first taking point you remembered without specifically tying the steel layoffs to tariffs

Read it more slowly this time:

Tariffs hurt manufacturing. We are less competitive when our manufacturing is forced to use more expensive steel. Sales go down. Demand for steel goes down. Tariffs have done this many times. Learn from history.

You couldnt be more wrong

we are not exporting steel products to china

they are exporting raw steel and products made from steel to the US

tariffs hurt chinese exports and help American manufacturing

Then why are American steel producers still laying people off?

Manufacturing is slowing?

Bigly. Look it up yourself. This is not "new."

 

[Brain357]

The question was answered. Love how you wait 3 seconds and claim somebody ran away.

All you did was hurl the first taking point you remembered without specifically tying the steel layoffs to tariffs

Read it more slowly this time:

Tariffs hurt manufacturing. We are less competitive when our manufacturing is forced to use more expensive steel. Sales go down. Demand for steel goes down. Tariffs have done this many times. Learn from history.

You couldnt be more wrong

we are not exporting steel products to china

they are exporting raw steel and products made from steel to the US

tariffs hurt chinese exports and help American manufacturing

Then why are American steel producers still laying people off?

Manufacturing is slowing?

Trucking companies blame slow manufacturing for rough 2019 volumes

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

All you did was hurl the first taking point you remembered without specifically tying the steel layoffs to tariffs

Read it more slowly this time:

Tariffs hurt manufacturing. We are less competitive when our manufacturing is forced to use more expensive steel. Sales go down. Demand for steel goes down. Tariffs have done this many times. Learn from history.

You couldnt be more wrong

we are not exporting steel products to china

they are exporting raw steel and products made from steel to the US

tariffs hurt chinese exports and help American manufacturing

Then why are American steel producers still laying people off?

Manufacturing is slowing?

Bigly. Look it up yourself. This is not "new."

Can't blame that on fewer imports of Chinese goods.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

All you did was hurl the first taking point you remembered without specifically tying the steel layoffs to tariffs

Read it more slowly this time:

Tariffs hurt manufacturing. We are less competitive when our manufacturing is forced to use more expensive steel. Sales go down. Demand for steel goes down. Tariffs have done this many times. Learn from history.

You couldnt be more wrong

we are not exporting steel products to china

they are exporting raw steel and products made from steel to the US

tariffs hurt chinese exports and help American manufacturing

Then why are American steel producers still laying people off?

Manufacturing is slowing?

Trucking companies blame slow manufacturing for rough 2019 volumes

Yup. Economies around the world are slowing too, buying fewer American goods.

 

[Brain357]

Tariffs never work. Repubs are really stupid to think they will when they have a long history of failure.

Tariffs never work.

Is that why almost every country in the world has higher tariffs than we do?

It’s why they aren’t the biggest economy in the world. You want us to follow lesser economies?

You want us to follow lesser economies?

I want them to cut tariffs on our goods.

As do I. But shooting a hole in our boat doesn’t help that.

And if shooting another hole in their boat, by reducing our imports, gets them to cut tariffs...……..?

So far it has slowed manufacturing and forced us to do a huge bailout for farmers.

 

[pknopp]

The question was answered. Love how you wait 3 seconds and claim somebody ran away.

All you did was hurl the first taking point you remembered without specifically tying the steel layoffs to tariffs

Read it more slowly this time:

Tariffs hurt manufacturing. We are less competitive when our manufacturing is forced to use more expensive steel. Sales go down. Demand for steel goes down. Tariffs have done this many times. Learn from history.

You couldnt be more wrong

we are not exporting steel products to china

they are exporting raw steel and products made from steel to the US

tariffs hurt chinese exports and help American manufacturing

Then why are American steel producers still laying people off?

Manufacturing is slowing?

In the greatest economy ever?

 

[Brain357]

The question was answered. Love how you wait 3 seconds and claim somebody ran away.

All you did was hurl the first taking point you remembered without specifically tying the steel layoffs to tariffs

Read it more slowly this time:

Tariffs hurt manufacturing. We are less competitive when our manufacturing is forced to use more expensive steel. Sales go down. Demand for steel goes down. Tariffs have done this many times. Learn from history.

You couldnt be more wrong

we are not exporting steel products to china

they are exporting raw steel and products made from steel to the US

tariffs hurt chinese exports and help American manufacturing

You need to learn economics. Steel tariffs mean our manufacturing is forced to use more expensive steel. That makes our manufacturing less competitive and we see that with the decline in manufacturing. A decline in manufacturing means the demand for steel goes down which leads to steel layoffs. Again try to read slowly.

Steel tariffs mean our manufacturing is forced to use more expensive steel.

Which should result in more US steel being used, not less.

No it has led to a decline in manufacturing and lower demand for steel. See steel layoffs. Clearly you don’t understand economics.

 

[there4eyeM]

All you did was hurl the first taking point you remembered without specifically tying the steel layoffs to tariffs

Read it more slowly this time:

Tariffs hurt manufacturing. We are less competitive when our manufacturing is forced to use more expensive steel. Sales go down. Demand for steel goes down. Tariffs have done this many times. Learn from history.

You couldnt be more wrong

we are not exporting steel products to china

they are exporting raw steel and products made from steel to the US

tariffs hurt chinese exports and help American manufacturing

Then why are American steel producers still laying people off?

Manufacturing is slowing?

In the greatest economy ever?

Well, biggest, anyway.

 

[bendog]

You are mistsken

they tried to hurt American farmers in hopes that would put pressure on trump to ease up on china

They simply retaliated in kind. That's how these things work.

Tariffs never work. Repubs are really stupid to think they will when they have a long history of failure.

Tariffs never work.

Is that why almost every country in the world has higher tariffs than we do?

It’s why they aren’t the biggest economy in the world. You want us to follow lesser economies?

I dont want to import everything we consume from china

if that means tariffs so be it

We don't import everything we consume from Jina, but you do apparently want to pay more for some goods. And we're not bringing back jobs, we're simply moving them elsewhere in Asia, and relocating mftring also increases costs and consumer prices.

Tariffs may be justifiable when they are aimed at countries that don't offer free access to their markets or subsidize production with govt spending. Jina was accussed of both. But Trump has a trade deal now, the merits of which are debated by those with knowledge

 

[bendog]

Read it more slowly this time:

Tariffs hurt manufacturing. We are less competitive when our manufacturing is forced to use more expensive steel. Sales go down. Demand for steel goes down. Tariffs have done this many times. Learn from history.

You couldnt be more wrong

we are not exporting steel products to china

they are exporting raw steel and products made from steel to the US

tariffs hurt chinese exports and help American manufacturing

Then why are American steel producers still laying people off?

Manufacturing is slowing?

Bigly. Look it up yourself. This is not "new."

Can't blame that on fewer imports of Chinese goods.

Then why did you post about it? LOL

 

[pknopp]

They simply retaliated in kind. That's how these things work.

Tariffs never work. Repubs are really stupid to think they will when they have a long history of failure.

Tariffs never work.

Is that why almost every country in the world has higher tariffs than we do?

It’s why they aren’t the biggest economy in the world. You want us to follow lesser economies?

I dont want to import everything we consume from china

if that means tariffs so be it

We don't import everything we consume from Jina, but you do apparently want to pay more for some goods. And we're not bringing back jobs, we're simply moving them elsewhere in Asia, and relocating mftring also increases costs and consumer prices.

Tariffs may be justifiable when they are aimed at countries that don't offer free access to their markets or subsidize production with govt spending. Jina was accussed of both. But Trump has a trade deal now, the merits of which are debated by those with knowledge

We subsidize production with government spending so what is good for the goose is good for the........well, we know the rest.

We like to condemn other countries for the very thing we so readily do.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Tariffs never work.

Is that why almost every country in the world has higher tariffs than we do?

It’s why they aren’t the biggest economy in the world. You want us to follow lesser economies?

You want us to follow lesser economies?

I want them to cut tariffs on our goods.

As do I. But shooting a hole in our boat doesn’t help that.

And if shooting another hole in their boat, by reducing our imports, gets them to cut tariffs...……..?

So far it has slowed manufacturing and forced us to do a huge bailout for farmers.

So far it has slowed manufacturing

How much of the slowdown is due to tariffs and how much is due to a general slowdown, here and abroad?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

All you did was hurl the first taking point you remembered without specifically tying the steel layoffs to tariffs

Read it more slowly this time:

Tariffs hurt manufacturing. We are less competitive when our manufacturing is forced to use more expensive steel. Sales go down. Demand for steel goes down. Tariffs have done this many times. Learn from history.

You couldnt be more wrong

we are not exporting steel products to china

they are exporting raw steel and products made from steel to the US

tariffs hurt chinese exports and help American manufacturing

Then why are American steel producers still laying people off?

Manufacturing is slowing?

In the greatest economy ever?

The economic cycle hasn't been repealed, even after 8 years of Obama?

 

[pknopp]

Read it more slowly this time:

Tariffs hurt manufacturing. We are less competitive when our manufacturing is forced to use more expensive steel. Sales go down. Demand for steel goes down. Tariffs have done this many times. Learn from history.

You couldnt be more wrong

we are not exporting steel products to china

they are exporting raw steel and products made from steel to the US

tariffs hurt chinese exports and help American manufacturing

Then why are American steel producers still laying people off?

Manufacturing is slowing?

In the greatest economy ever?

The economic cycle hasn't been repealed, even after 8 years of Obama?

Trump said we are in the greatest economy ever. Is that wrong?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

All you did was hurl the first taking point you remembered without specifically tying the steel layoffs to tariffs

Read it more slowly this time:

Tariffs hurt manufacturing. We are less competitive when our manufacturing is forced to use more expensive steel. Sales go down. Demand for steel goes down. Tariffs have done this many times. Learn from history.

You couldnt be more wrong

we are not exporting steel products to china

they are exporting raw steel and products made from steel to the US

tariffs hurt chinese exports and help American manufacturing

You need to learn economics. Steel tariffs mean our manufacturing is forced to use more expensive steel. That makes our manufacturing less competitive and we see that with the decline in manufacturing. A decline in manufacturing means the demand for steel goes down which leads to steel layoffs. Again try to read slowly.

Steel tariffs mean our manufacturing is forced to use more expensive steel.

Which should result in more US steel being used, not less.

No it has led to a decline in manufacturing and lower demand for steel. See steel layoffs. Clearly you don’t understand economics.

No it has led to a decline in manufacturing and lower demand for steel.

No question it has lowered total demand for steel, but has it increased US steel production?
I've never looked up those numbers, I don't trade steel stocks.

See steel layoffs.

Steel is cyclical.

Clearly you don’t understand economics.

Better than you, clearly.