kyzr
Diamond Member
Let’s put aside the merits of leftwing American politics. We’ll just agree to disagree on that for now. Let’s just discuss the viability of GOP economics which is the fantasy of trickledown/supply side economics. Sure that shit sounds good until - you know - one thinks about it from a logical standpoint. Giving corporations more capital to sell products doesn’t somehow translate into more demand from the consumers. That isn’t how economics work. Our economy is a CONSUMER driven economy. It depends on people spending money. That is how it has ALWAYS worked. Corporations in this day age are wealthier than ever before. That means that when they get big tax breaks, they don’t invest the money they save. Why? Because it’s easier to just keep it. Why invest in labor if they are already wealthier than ever before?
Doesn’t it bother republicans that the GOP does NOTHING for the middle class? A strong middle class is how you keep this economy viable because they are the biggest CONSUMERS. A time will come when this economy will fail because of GOP economics. Rich people can’t stay rich if the wages of the middle class and poor remain way behind on inflation.
How can one possibly justify GOP policy?
Conservative supply trickle down economics always harms or destroys economies. It never benefits anyone beyond the already filthy rich.
It always explodes the deficit and debt.
The only result of their economics of little or no regulation on business is monopolies, oligarchs and a destroyed environment .
Without proper regulation and taxation on business and the rich, capitalism destroys itself along with the economy.
Anyone who has taken an economics 101 class knows this.
There is no honest and logical way to justify conservative economic policy. It's the most irresponsible economic policy.
You are about half right.
1. Agree "trickle down" doesn't work, and the top tax rate cut was a bad idea because it exploded the deficit and $23T Debt.
2. Agree that the top 10% benefit more than the lower 90% from tax cuts
3. Disagree about monopolies, oligarchs, and destroyed environment. The US is only 15% of the global warming problem.
4. Disagree that capitalism is destroying itself, but socialism did kill Venezuela, Cuba, the USSR, etc.
I can justify conservative economic policies by pointing to the stock market, and everyone's 401Ks.
Why didn't the democrat House try to fix the deficit instead of making the deficit worse? (they control the Budget)
We do not operate under Capitalism. Our economy crashed every bit as much as Venezuela. The difference is that right now we have the huge socialist actions of the Federal Reserve.
What the Federal Reserve is doing has NOTHING to do with Capitalism.
Monetary policy is what it is. The Fed is there to keep inflation under control and has generally done a good job. The Fed does not provide guaranteed income, or use wage and price controls, or other socialist policies. They just set interest rates to promote 2% target inflation and a healthy economy. Years ago the M1 money supply was a metric, not so much today. Socialism means the economy is nationalized, and Bernie wants that, but most of us do not.
Of course they are providing a guaranteed income. It's just that it only goes to the rich for the most part. Bernie has only argued to further socialize the parts of the economy already socialized to help the lower classes offset the huge gains the Federal Reserve and other socialist programs have done for the upper classes.
We're arguing about tax policy, not the Fed's policies regarding "capitalism".
The top rate needs to be increased and/or a VAT added to cover spending and reduce the $23T Debt.
I disagree that Bernie's plan to nationalize large parts of the economy (utilities, healthcare, pharmaceuticals, etc.) will help anyone. Hospitals will close, open borders will ruin the labor market, and the wealthy will just move. Bernie is a total disaster.