Do we all agree yet that obamacare was always a single payer trojan horse?

[brummelben]

If true then all we've really done is create a new entitlement program, and it'll be a debt/deficit buster.

My accountant told me that I do not have to pay the fine/tax for not having insurance anymore.

Great you get sick and WE pay your bill

Just like the last 20+ years I paid for my own shit I don't expect other people to pay for my shit. I have been self-employed and debt-free for 20+ years.

Right, who is going to pay your hospital bills?

Well the last 20+ years I have paid for my own shit, just like the birth of my two very young daughters I paid for for them out of pocket. I have never bought insurance on my life, and I am not about to either.

Once again, hand job, you are completely and utterly fullofshyte. You aint got a pot to piss in

 

[Rustic]

If true then all we've really done is create a new entitlement program, and it'll be a debt/deficit buster.

My accountant told me that I do not have to pay the fine/tax for not having insurance anymore.

Great you get sick and WE pay your bill

Just like the last 20+ years I paid for my own shit I don't expect other people to pay for my shit. I have been self-employed and debt-free for 20+ years.

So if you get diagnosed with cancer or need a heart bypass, you have the $500,000+ for treatment tucked away in your savings account?

How about 30-50K for a minor surgical procedure.

You act like that's a common thing, hardly any of my friends If any have ever had any minor or major surgical procedures.
Come to think about it, I can't even think of one that has had any of that.

 

[Rustic]

My accountant told me that I do not have to pay the fine/tax for not having insurance anymore.

Great you get sick and WE pay your bill

Just like the last 20+ years I paid for my own shit I don't expect other people to pay for my shit. I have been self-employed and debt-free for 20+ years.

Right, who is going to pay your hospital bills?

Well the last 20+ years I have paid for my own shit, just like the birth of my two very young daughters I paid for for them out of pocket. I have never bought insurance on my life, and I am not about to either.

Once again, hand job, you are completely and utterly fullofshyte. You aint got a pot to piss in

Says the control freak...

 

[brummelben]

My accountant told me that I do not have to pay the fine/tax for not having insurance anymore.

Great you get sick and WE pay your bill

Just like the last 20+ years I paid for my own shit I don't expect other people to pay for my shit. I have been self-employed and debt-free for 20+ years.

So if you get diagnosed with cancer or need a heart bypass, you have the $500,000+ for treatment tucked away in your savings account?

How about 30-50K for a minor surgical procedure.

You act like that's a common thing, hardly any of my friends If any have ever had any minor or major surgical procedures.
Come to think about it, I can't even think of one that has had any of that.

It takes a very special kind of an asshole not to have health care coverage for their children, right hand job?

 

[task0778]

Great you get sick and WE pay your bill

Just like the last 20+ years I paid for my own shit I don't expect other people to pay for my shit. I have been self-employed and debt-free for 20+ years.

So if you get diagnosed with cancer or need a heart bypass, you have the $500,000+ for treatment tucked away in your savings account?

How about 30-50K for a minor surgical procedure.

You act like that's a common thing, hardly any of my friends If any have ever had any minor or major surgical procedures.
Come to think about it, I can't even think of one that has had any of that.

It takes a very special kind of an asshole not to have health care coverage for their children, right hand job?

It also takes a very special asshole to make their children pay for your coverage too.

 

[Rustic]

IRS no longer enforcing Obamacare individual mandate, report says

If true then all we've really done is create a new entitlement program, and it'll be a debt/deficit buster.

My accountant told me that I do not have to pay the fine/tax for not having insurance anymore.

Great you get sick and WE pay your bill

Just like the last 20+ years I paid for my own shit I don't expect other people to pay for my shit. I have been self-employed and debt-free for 20+ years.

So if you get diagnosed with cancer or need a heart bypass, you have the $500,000+ for treatment tucked away in your savings account?

I have multiple collectible colt peacemakers and Winchesters that are worth way more than my house... each. I don't have to worry about that sort of thing... I made sure of it.

 

[JoeB131]

So we end up with DMV style health care, wonderful.

I wish health care was as efficient as the DMV.

Last time I went to the DMV, they had me in and out of there in all of 10 minutes.

 

[jillian]

Been saying it since it happened. The one thing that you cannot do politically is take away something from millions of people that have been GIVEN something. We know obama counted on this. They knew it would be next to impossible to take the insurance away from millions of people who have it. We also know that it is impossible to be sustained. Both things counted on and Grubber admitted this.

No. The affordable care act was formulated by the heritage foundation. Thanks for playing.

 

[Rustic]

Great you get sick and WE pay your bill

Just like the last 20+ years I paid for my own shit I don't expect other people to pay for my shit. I have been self-employed and debt-free for 20+ years.

So if you get diagnosed with cancer or need a heart bypass, you have the $500,000+ for treatment tucked away in your savings account?

How about 30-50K for a minor surgical procedure.

You act like that's a common thing, hardly any of my friends If any have ever had any minor or major surgical procedures.
Come to think about it, I can't even think of one that has had any of that.

It takes a very special kind of an asshole not to have health care coverage for their children, right hand job?

Like i said - says the control freak…

Only a fucked up asshole would think trusting an insurance company to pay out…

 

[JoeB131]

genius?

Single payer has failed everywhere it's been tried

Except the UK, Germany, Japan, France, Canada, Italy, and every other industrialized democracy... but other than everyplace it's actually been tried, it aint' working at all.

 

[boedicca]

Been saying it since it happened. The one thing that you cannot do politically is take away something from millions of people that have been GIVEN something. We know obama counted on this. They knew it would be next to impossible to take the insurance away from millions of people who have it. We also know that it is impossible to be sustained. Both things counted on and Grubber admitted this.

ObamaCare was designed to be a Hotel California Roach Motel - so you can never leave.

 

[JoeB131]

How many hospitals could survive on 87% or 79% of Medicare? Many Drs don't accept Medicaid patients now. You simply can't stretch resources to cover everyone.

Tell them they don't have a choice, and we'll revoke their licenses if they don't.

Problem. Fucking Solved. Poor babies slaving away at high Six figures.

 

[Rustic]

1873 COLT REVOLVER BRINGS RECORD PRICE FOR A FIREARM

This was in 1987, they're worth far more now and I have six…

 

[Rustic]

Just like the last 20+ years I paid for my own shit I don't expect other people to pay for my shit. I have been self-employed and debt-free for 20+ years.

So if you get diagnosed with cancer or need a heart bypass, you have the $500,000+ for treatment tucked away in your savings account?

How about 30-50K for a minor surgical procedure.

You act like that's a common thing, hardly any of my friends If any have ever had any minor or major surgical procedures.
Come to think about it, I can't even think of one that has had any of that.

It takes a very special kind of an asshole not to have health care coverage for their children, right hand job?

It also takes a very special asshole to make their children pay for your coverage too.

It is funny these people think that insurance is the healthcare… Only a fool would trust an insurance company to pay out.

 

[BoSoxGal]

If true then all we've really done is create a new entitlement program, and it'll be a debt/deficit buster.

My accountant told me that I do not have to pay the fine/tax for not having insurance anymore.

Great you get sick and WE pay your bill

Just like the last 20+ years I paid for my own shit I don't expect other people to pay for my shit. I have been self-employed and debt-free for 20+ years.

So if you get diagnosed with cancer or need a heart bypass, you have the $500,000+ for treatment tucked away in your savings account?

I have multiple collectible colt peacemakers and Winchesters that are worth way more than my house... each. I don't have to worry about that sort of thing... I made sure of it.

Good for you, hopefully life will never throw a curve your way that fucks all your plans up.

Meanwhile the social contract means we all have an obligation to care for one another, including people who don't have collectible firearms they can sell for essential care.

Your attitude is stupid anyway - why don't you pay for your own roads? Your own police? Your own fire department? America IS a socialist democracy - including all the massive tax breaks in our tax code that subsidize employer provided healthcare, retirement savings, all kind of other benefits. And I've been self-employed too - I know all about how the self-employed work the tax code to pay almost nothing relative to actual income by maximizing every kind of deduction.

You live in a society that benefits you; you have an obligation to others. Unless you're in your 80s/90s, you're gonna live to see universal healthcare. Suck it up, buttercup.

 

[task0778]

genius?

Single payer has failed everywhere it's been tried

Except the UK, Germany, Japan, France, Canada, Italy, and every other industrialized democracy... but other than everyplace it's actually been tried, it aint' working at all.

Do you know how the people in those countries have to pay for their SP system? And not just the top 50% but EVERYBODY.

 

[Rustic]

How many hospitals could survive on 87% or 79% of Medicare? Many Drs don't accept Medicaid patients now. You simply can't stretch resources to cover everyone.

Tell them they don't have a choice, and we'll revoke their licenses if they don't.

Problem. Fucking Solved. Poor babies slaving away at high Six figures.

Only foolish doctors would except Medicare patients, the checks will bounce…

 

[Rustic]

My accountant told me that I do not have to pay the fine/tax for not having insurance anymore.

Great you get sick and WE pay your bill

Just like the last 20+ years I paid for my own shit I don't expect other people to pay for my shit. I have been self-employed and debt-free for 20+ years.

So if you get diagnosed with cancer or need a heart bypass, you have the $500,000+ for treatment tucked away in your savings account?

I have multiple collectible colt peacemakers and Winchesters that are worth way more than my house... each. I don't have to worry about that sort of thing... I made sure of it.

Good for you, hopefully life will never throw a curve your way that fucks all your plans up.

Meanwhile the social contract means we all have an obligation to care for one another, including people who don't have collectible firearms they can sell for essential care.

Your attitude is stupid anyway - why don't you pay for your own roads? Your own police? Your own fire department? America IS a socialist democracy - including all the massive tax breaks in our tax code that subsidize employer provided healthcare, retirement savings, all kind of other benefits. And I've been self-employed too - I know all about how the self-employed work the tax code to pay almost nothing relative to actual income by maximizing every kind of deduction.

You live in a society that benefits you; you have an obligation to others. Unless you're in your 80s/90s, you're gonna live to see universal healthcare. Suck it up, buttercup.

Yes, I do work the tax code, as a firearm/ammo seller I buy collectible firearms as write offs.
They are far better investments than real estate or anything like that. I grew up on the indian reservation here in South Dakota with next to nothing - my kids are not gonna be that way they are going to learn how to work for their own way. And not depend on the fucking federal government.

 

[JoeB131]

Do you know how the people in those countries have to pay for their SP system? And not just the top 50% but EVERYBODY.

I think you are confused. The people in those countries spend 9% of their GDP on average on health care, while we spend 18%. Why do you think our industries aren't competitive?

 

[task0778]

Do you know how the people in those countries have to pay for their SP system? And not just the top 50% but EVERYBODY.

I think you are confused. The people in those countries spend 9% of their GDP on average on health care, while we spend 18%. Why do you think our industries aren't competitive?

It's you who seems to be confused, I'm talking about how much each family pays for that great SP health care system, which BTW in most of those countries is rising just like ours is. For instance the average Canadian family pays a bit less than $12,000 in taxes for that SP system; most of those other countries pay a good bit of their paycheck too, and I mean everybody pays. I'm waiting for the first democrat to go on TV and tell the American voter they can have a single payer health care system, but that 47% that currently pays no federal income tax is now going to have pony up.

Added: A national single-payer system would require a payroll tax of 11.7 percent, according to the National Institute for Health Care Reform. Try selling that to the American public and see how that goes over.