Do you believe that the Internet should be a free speech Platform?

[Father O'Blivion]

TOS in POPS cannot include censoring/removing people for unpopular but otherwise legal speech.

The problem is, enforcing TOS is subjective.

 

[MinTrut]

The problem is, enforcing TOS is subjective.

Not so much.

It's a public space, so there are all kinds of things you can't do.

But a few grey areas, as ever.

 

[Blues Man]

As Joe Biden would say:

Depends.

C above.

Above.

^

No it doesn;t depend on anything. Only the government can violate your 1st Amendment rights

Depends.

Generally correct, as you'd be breaking established law.

But also, depends.

What is the law that states I cannot chant Satanic verses during a Church service?

There is none. I would actually be charged with trespass and nothing else.

 

[Dragonlady]

Before 2020 people like David Duke and Andrew Tate, Robert Spencer, and others were allowed to provide their messages. Often they were mocked, laughed at or disagreed with. Everything was fine. The world was a safer place. The economy was better. Fast forward to 2020 and political platforms like YouTube, Instagram and Twitter banned these types of figures under the guise of “hate speech.”

The Democrats and neocons will say well that’s a businesses decision. Of course they are intentionally trolling or they simply don’t know any better that these social media platforms play pivotal roles when it comes to the election. Just look at Taylor Swift another powerful figures using social media, to tell people to support abortion and get out and vote which is her right. So you could either support freedom or under some evil deranged or misinformed guy say “well it’s just a business decision Taylor Swift should be banned.”





And that’s the difference between an American patriot and Biden BLM supporter. The American patriot says let’s allow BLM to go on YouTube and say white people are born privileged. To say that the white man is evil. But the Biden BLM supporter will turn around and say no the business can do what they want, and they can even affect the outcome of elections by banning certain figures from their platforms.

It’s all the more interesting because here in 2023 We have a terrible economy, super high inflation under Joe Biden. Out of control illegal immigration and crime throughout the country. To think that Biden supporters and supporters of restrictions of free-speech will go along with that stuff while they are poor, using drugs all the time, obese, or severely underweight, is all the more interesting and astonishing really.

But things are perhaps being taken to a new level. With the idea of further encroachments of free speech in countries like England, Canada and America, where the proposals are to silence, fine and even imprison people who for example, engage in “vaccine disinformation.” in other words simply disagreeing with What a politician say. A clear cut infringement of free speech.

Biden BLM supporters may have already made up their minds along with the neoconservatives. After all they’re the same people who approves of totalitarian shut down of free speech on social media of conservatives in 2020 ….so why wouldn’t they say that somebody who engages in vaccine disinformation should be thrown in jail or fined $1-10 million dollars.


What will be the future of the Internet be in America. Will freedom prevail.???? Will the founding fathers prevail. How about the legacy of The men and women who fought in World War II for freedom…. I think that freedom will prevail and the bad guys will lose.

If everything was "fine", you wouldn't have ISIS radicalizing young Muslims around the world

If everything was "fine", over a million Americans wouldn't have died due to covid lies and misinformation.

If everything was "fine", you'd know the difference between facts and lies, and clearly you do not.

 

[MinTrut]

No it doesn;t depend on anything. Only the government can violate your 1st Amendment rights

Dpends.

What is the law that states I cannot chant Satanic verses during a Church service?

Generally several, but it depends, as I said.

There is none. I would actually be charged with trespass and nothing else.

Dpends.

 

[MinTrut]

If everything was "fine", you wouldn't have ISIS radicalizing young Muslims around the world

If everything was "fine", over a million Americans wouldn't have died due to covid lies and misinformation.

If everything was "fine", you'd know the difference between facts and lies, and clearly you do not.

Very disappointing.

They'll be coming for you eventually.

 

[Blues Man]

Dpends.

Generally several, but it depends, as I said.

Dpends.

That's a non-answer

But then again I expect nothing more from you.

 

[FranklinRoosevelt_FTW]

I believe rules are proper. Just as they are here.

This forum is a lot more free compared to Instagram or YouTube, which have banned conservative speakers there for engaging in election interference.

 

[FranklinRoosevelt_FTW]

The Supreme Court has recognized different categories of speech that receive varying levels of protection under the First Amendment. These categories include:

1. Pure Speech: This refers to verbal or written expression of ideas, opinions, and beliefs. Pure speech is considered the most protected form of speech and is given a high level of constitutional protection.

2. Symbolic Speech: This includes non-verbal forms of expression that convey a particular message or idea, such as wearing armbands, burning flags, or engaging in peaceful protests. Symbolic speech is also protected under the First Amendment, although it may receive slightly less protection than pure speech.

3. Commercial Speech: This refers to speech related to commercial activities, such as advertising products or services. While commercial speech is protected, it may be subject to certain restrictions, such as regulations related to false or misleading advertising.

4. Political Speech: Political speech, which includes speech related to political campaigns, elections, and public issues, is considered a core aspect of freedom of speech and receives strong protection under the First Amendment.

#### Limitations on Freedom of Speech:

While freedom of speech is a fundamental right, the Supreme Court has recognized certain limitations and exceptions to this right. Some of these limitations include:

1. Incitement to Lawless Action: Speech that directly incites or encourages imminent lawless action, such as violence or illegal activities, is not protected by the First Amendment. The Supreme Court established the "imminent lawless action" standard in the case of Brandenburg v. Ohio (1969) to determine when speech crosses the line into incitement.

2. Obscenity: The Supreme Court has held that obscene materials, which are defined as materials that appeal to prurient interests and lack serious artistic, literary, scientific, or political value, are not protected by the First Amendment. The standard for obscenity was established in the case of Miller v. California (1973).

3. Defamation: Speech that involves false statements of fact that harm a person's reputation is not protected by the First Amendment. However, the Supreme Court has also recognized certain defenses and standards that need to be met for a statement to be considered defamatory, such as the requirement of "actual malice" for public figures.

4. Fighting Words: The Supreme Court has held that certain types of speech that are likely to provoke an immediate violent response or cause a breach of the peace, such as face-to-face personal insults or fighting words, are not protected by the First Amendment.

It is important to note that the interpretation of freedom of speech by the Supreme Court is subject to ongoing debate and evolution. New cases and changing societal norms can influence the Court's understanding and application of the First Amendment's protections.

Source :

First Amendment

www.law.cornell.edu

Ok the main point is that Instagram , Facebook and YouTube along with Twitter banned conservative speakers in 2020 engaging in election interference. There’s no way around this.

Those same people who were banned in 2020. We’re allowed in 2016 and back then the world was a safer Place, the economy was better.

I can see that in topics like this those who support Biden are engaging in Word games.

“It’s a business idea to ban people”

“Do you understand what the constitution is?”

These types of responses don’t address the core issue. They are non responses..

 

[MinTrut]

That's a non-answer

Well, it's why I get the big bucks.

5k shades of grey.

But then again I expect nothing more from you.

Backatcha buster.

 

[FranklinRoosevelt_FTW]

Does this board have TOS?

What would it be like with out them?

This forum provides free speech. Clearly, Twitter, YouTube, Facebook, and Instagram did not in 2020 engaging in election interference.

 

[FranklinRoosevelt_FTW]

The Internet yes

BUT private companies that host a platform cannot violate anyone's first amendment rights.

YOU as an individual or a group of individuals are perfectly free to post a blog or host a website where you can all say whatever the fuck you want.

The stupidity here is that people think that the 1st Amendment not only guarantees them a venue for which to exercise their rights but also an audience.

The point is that the social media platforms in 2020 denied free speech but did not do so before then. In 2020 Facebook and twitter Engaged in corruption via election interference. And people that support that are anti-American.

Most, if not all of those engaging in Word games in support of the denial of free speech on Twitter and Facebook…. would not be singing the same tune if their politicians were banned from those platforms like Trump was on Twitter…

 

[Votto]

So if you put a website on the internet anyone can write anything? Like NAMBLA?

Isn't it sad that the government has show the ability to censor any information regarding vaccines or January 6th etc., but can't seem to end child porn on the internet for some reason?

Crazy.

 

[Dragonlady]

Very disappointing.

They'll be coming for you eventually.

No they aren't. They're not coming for YOU either.

This American hysteria that government isn't to be trusted is just bullshit. YOU are the government. If only you would realize that and use your power to control the insanity and started voting out the crazies.

 

[Independent thinker]

Before 2020 people like David Duke and Andrew Tate, Robert Spencer, and others were allowed to provide their messages. Often they were mocked, laughed at or disagreed with. Everything was fine. The world was a safer place. The economy was better. Fast forward to 2020 and political platforms like YouTube, Instagram and Twitter banned these types of figures under the guise of “hate speech.”

The Democrats and neocons will say well that’s a businesses decision. Of course they are intentionally trolling or they simply don’t know any better that these social media platforms play pivotal roles when it comes to the election. Just look at Taylor Swift another powerful figures using social media, to tell people to support abortion and get out and vote which is her right. So you could either support freedom or under some evil deranged or misinformed guy say “well it’s just a business decision Taylor Swift should be banned.”





And that’s the difference between an American patriot and Biden BLM supporter. The American patriot says let’s allow BLM to go on YouTube and say white people are born privileged. To say that the white man is evil. But the Biden BLM supporter will turn around and say no the business can do what they want, and they can even affect the outcome of elections by banning certain figures from their platforms.

It’s all the more interesting because here in 2023 We have a terrible economy, super high inflation under Joe Biden. Out of control illegal immigration and crime throughout the country. To think that Biden supporters and supporters of restrictions of free-speech will go along with that stuff while they are poor, using drugs all the time, obese, or severely underweight, is all the more interesting and astonishing really.

But things are perhaps being taken to a new level. With the idea of further encroachments of free speech in countries like England, Canada and America, where the proposals are to silence, fine and even imprison people who for example, engage in “vaccine disinformation.” in other words simply disagreeing with What a politician say. A clear cut infringement of free speech.

Biden BLM supporters may have already made up their minds along with the neoconservatives. After all they’re the same people who approves of totalitarian shut down of free speech on social media of conservatives in 2020 ….so why wouldn’t they say that somebody who engages in vaccine disinformation should be thrown in jail or fined $1-10 million dollars.


What will be the future of the Internet be in America. Will freedom prevail.???? Will the founding fathers prevail. How about the legacy of The men and women who fought in World War II for freedom…. I think that freedom will prevail and the bad guys will lose.

I'd say if the country is free speech then social media should be free speech. Otherwise, we are down to being Russia where the government controls all information and decides what is information and what is misinformation. They would be judge, jury, and executioner.

 

[Dragonlady]

The point is that the social media platforms in 2020 denied free speech but did not do so before then. In 2020 Facebook and twitter Engaged in corruption via election interference. And people that support that are anti-American.

Bullshit. The American social media platforms had deteriorated into hate speech, misinformation and conspiracy forums, lead by American Republicans, and anarchists.

 

[Blues Man]

The point is that the social media platforms in 2020 denied free speech but did not do so before then. In 2020 Facebook and twitter Engaged in corruption via election interference. And people that support that are anti-American.

Most, if not all of those engaging in Word games in support of the denial of free speech on Twitter and Facebook…. would not be singing the same tune if their politicians were banned from those platforms like Trump was on Twitter…

It doesn't matter.

Private companies can change their policies at will

 

[MinTrut]

No they aren't. They're not coming for YOU either.

Well, your speech FIRST.

This American hysteria that government isn't to be trusted is just bullshit.

No government is to be trusted. Anywhere.

YOU are the government.

The DeepSwamp doesn't like to hear that!

If only you would realize that and use your power to control the insanity and started voting out the crazies.

I'm an independent who despises both major criminal gangs, so preaching to the choir.

 

[shockedcanadian]

If everything was "fine", you wouldn't have ISIS radicalizing young Muslims around the world

If everything was "fine", over a million Americans wouldn't have died due to covid lies and misinformation.

If everything was "fine", you'd know the difference between facts and lies, and clearly you do not.

You use the extreme. That is an example of speech that is akin to yelling "fire" in a move theatre and yes, should carry consequences.

People criticizing policies, governments and sometimes even experts who win Noble Prizes in their field of expertise were silenced because what they were saying was inconvenient to some. Never any accountability for those who are wrong by the way.

The big one being the "experts" who laughably signed off that the IRA that Biden signed wouldn't lead to inflation and media echoing their lie. That was probably the most insulting, bold faced lie that even I called it out before he signed it as declaring that this would definitely lead to inflation. Little ol' me and a.few.others on this board were right, the experts were wrong. How could this be? Want to talk about fake news?

Here we are, inflation globally. I wonder if the experts were accountable for defying their own education and lying to the public.

 

[MinTrut]

Bullshit. The American social media platforms had deteriorated into hate speech, misinformation and conspiracy forums, lead by American Republicans, and anarchists.

Naw.

And even if so, not the goobermint's business except to enforce POPS laws.