Disir
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First up: crime.Ok, now we are talking! Glad you did some homework and thank you for the links. Interesting articles but weak support in regard to your points in this discussion. Your articles address some black market operations that are happening in Colorado. This is inevitable as there are always people that try to game the system but you can't deny that the legal enterprise is dramatically cutting into the undergrounds market share, and they will eventually be whittled down as legit businesses flourish. Despite some black market dealers getting out of paying taxes you can not deny these statistics:And that's three. Let's recap. My initial post (#8) makes two points
In post #13 you respond with
It is very clear that (1)you did not read my post at all because you wanted to hear yourself talk and wanted to make a sale, (2) you are a dick or (3) you are low functioning. I addressed treatment and I addressed decriminalization (your poor addicts in jail) in my first post.
I ignore you because that's a whole lotta nonsense you got going on. I respond to Mike.
You pick it up again in post # 48.
Let me help you out:
Start here:
Inside Colorado’s flourishing, segregated black market for pot
Pot Delivery Services Thriving In Colorado’s Black Market
Special report, 'Clearing the Haze:' Black market is thriving in Colorado
Start here for Harm Reduction
What is harm reduction? | Harm Reduction International
I'm not interested in how you feel. Get the fuck off your ass if you have something to demonstrate.
- MJ possession arrests are down 84% and MJ dealing arrest are down 90% since 2010, saving the state millions in adjudication costs
- Violent crime went down by 2.2% ; Burglary down 9.5% ; Property crime decreased by 8.9%
- Tax revenue was over $40 million from Jan 2014 - Oct 2014 which funded adding healthcare professionals to schools and other grants.
- $8 million of tax revenue has gone towards youth prevention and community bases programs.
- Colorado has the fastest growing economy in the U.S. and unemployment is at a 6 year low.
Are you starting to get the picture?? If this was adopted at a national level we would put the smugglers out of business as the majority of dealers would much rather have a legit business than risk getting arrested. We would save Billions on crime enforcement, prosecution, and jailing... And best of all we would have Billions in tax revenue to put towards bettering our schools and communities. The positives far outweigh the negatives.
Here's a link incase you question the validity of my data.
https://www.drugpolicy.org/sites/de...juana_Legalization_One_Year_Status_Report.pdf
Lately legalization advocates have been cheering numbers that show a decline in crime. There are literally hundreds of articles that have been written with this narrative. But an honest look at the statistics shows an increase — not decrease — in Denver crime rates.
Crime is tracked through two reporting mechanisms: the National Incident Based Reporting System (NIBRS), which examines about 35 types of crime, and the FBI Uniform Crime Reports (UCR). The FBI UCR only captures about 50 percent of all crimes in Denver, so the NIBRS is generally regarded as more credible. The Denver Police Department (DPD) uses NIBRS categories to examine an array of crime statistics, since it is the more detailed and comprehensive source of numbers.
The Denver Police statistics show that summing across all crime types — about 35 in all — the crime rate is up almost 7 percent compared with the same period last year. Interestingly, crimes such as public drunkenness are up 237 percent, and drug violations are up 20 percent.
So why are advocates claiming a crime drop? Easy: They blended part of the FBI data with part of the DPD/NIBRS data to cook up numbers they wished to see. When one picks the Part I data from UCR and uses DPD/NIBRS property-crime numbers only while studiously avoiding the DPD/NIBRS data on all other crimes, one can indeed manufacture the appearance of a decline. As one can see here, even when using the FBI UCR numbers — in their entirety — crime has risen.
A report commissioned by the National Association of Drug Court Professionals puts it nicely:
When a closer look at the data is undertaken, a different picture — something other than “crime is down” — appears to emerge. ...
[L]egalization proponents should not infer causality regarding the downward trend observable when isolating just the UCR’s Part I crime index.
When I asked the president of the Colorado Drug Investigators Association, Ernie Martinez, about these statistics, he urged me to look at the crimes that have been happening in connection to marijuana — even after legalization:
Crime Is Up in Colorado: What That Tells Us About Pot Legalization and, Perhaps More Importantly, Lazy Reporting
Public drunkenness and drug violations are victimless crimes. Why spend money prosecuting them
Much of the crime related to drugs is a result of the fact that we have made them highly illegal. It creates a market that only criminals can fill. 2.3 million in our prisons, most because of our obsession in stopping drugs
Are you alleging 2.3 million are in prison on drug charges?
Do you understand what the term "most" means?
Again. Are you alleging 2.3 million are in prison on drug charges?
You seem to repeat this as if there is some validity to it. There isn't. I have shown you those stats in the past. But........you don't give a shit.