Does anyone seriously believe illegals do NOT vote in america!!???

[Kondor3]

The question is not whether Obumble tried to get Illegal Aliens to vote...

Maybe he did... maybe he didn't... doesn't matter, other than serving as a distraction...

The two questions raised by the OP are...

1. Is there substantive evidence of Illegal Aliens actually voting?

2. If 'yes', then, what was the extent of that illegal voting? *

( * translation: did it actually tip the scales or make a substantial or statistically significant difference? )

 

[miketx]

What with bath house barry telling them they can vote, what would you expect?

“When you vote, you are citizen”

It’s incredible how anyone could have voted for that idiot.
Remember when he said this?.......


smh

Its incredible how anyone coudl have voted for this idiot

Remember when he said this:

What does that have to do with the OP troll?

 

[Syriusly]

With his DACA and DAPA programs Obozo gave millions of these criminal invaders a certificate telling them they can live and work here even though the LAW SAYS THEY CAN DO NEITHER!!! And yet democrats tell us they were strict about enforcing the laws against illegals voting. HAHAHAHA

Obama ENCOURAGED the illegals to vote both 2012 and 16 and they did by the millions. It's extremely important to an illegal that the open borders and welfare party be in power. They undoubtedly vote at a higher rate than citizens do.

1. Evidence?

2. Extent?

I am entirely dedicated to the ejection of 11-12,000,000 Illegal Aliens, present upon US soil without our express prior consent.

I am not, however, buying into Kornspiracy Theories about hordes of Illegal Beaners voting nor tipping the scales in an election.

Since when do regressives accept proof their idols are criminals?

Dunno.

Good thing for me I'm not a 'gressive', eh?

The questions stand...

1. Evidence?

2. Extent?

Well we know that Republicans are voting illegally.

Some of them have even been convicted.

so I guess that means millions and millions of Republicans are voting illegally....

Ortega was a registered Republican who had been voting for more than a decade, he said. On her voter application, Ortega was faced with only two options — to mark herself as a ‘citizen’ or a ‘noncitizen’ — and didn’t know better, he added.

“She doesn’t know. She’s got this [green] card that says ‘resident’ on it, so she doesn’t mark that she’s not a citizen,” Birdsall said. “She had no ulterior motive beyond what she thought, mistakenly, was her civic duty.”

 

[Syriusly]

What with bath house barry telling them they can vote, what would you expect?

“When you vote, you are citizen”

It’s incredible how anyone could have voted for that idiot.
Remember when he said this?.......


smh

Its incredible how anyone coudl have voted for this idiot

Remember when he said this:

What does that have to do with the OP troll?

It had to do with the post I replied to.

 

[PoliticalChic]

The question is not whether Obumble tried to get Illegal Aliens to vote...

The two questions raised by the OP are...

1. Is there substantive evidence of Illegal Aliens actually voting?

2. If 'yes', then, what was the extent of that illegal voting? *

( * translation: did it actually tip the scales or make a substantial or statistically valid difference?)

See if this helps:


1. How's this....LA Times:

"If you’ve visited the DMV in the last few weeks, you may have noticed that you can now complete your voter registration at the same time you renew your driver’s license — without having to fill out a separate form.... they will be registered as having no party preference. " Registered to vote at the DMV? Check again. Many who use the new process miss a vital step two


2. "It's Official: Clinton's Popular Vote Win Came Entirely From California
If you take California out of the popular vote equation, then Trump wins the rest of the country by 1.4 million votes.
.... if you look at every other measure, Trump was the clear and decisive winner in this election."
It's Official: Clinton's Popular Vote Win Came Entirely From California


Think California is loaded with illegal alien voters??????

You betcha'!!!!


3. California has the largest number of illegal immigrants in the United States, with an estimated 2.4 million unauthorized immigrants making up about 6.3 percent of the state's total population, according to the Pew Research Center.Sep 14, 2015
Illegal Immigration Statistics in California - Newsmax.com
www.newsmax.com/FastFeatures/illegal-immigration-California/2015/09/14/.../691462/

4. "... there is evidence that both foreign nationals who are lawfully present in the United States and illegal aliens have voted in recent elections. During this election cycle, noncitizens have been discovered on voter registration rolls in both Virginia and Pennsylvania. 2 And the Office of the U.S. Attorney for the Western District of New York recently announced that it charged a Canadian woman with making a false claim to citizenship after she registered and voted in more than 20 elections.3

Several past elections – for the presidency and other offices – have been extremely close. Accordingly, ballots cast by noncitizen voters have the potential to improperly alter the outcome of elections. Consider how close the 2000 presidential election was.
Could the outcome have been affected by noncitizen voting? The answer is yes."
Noncitizens, Voting Violations and U.S. Elections


5. "Study supports Trump: 5.7 million noncitizens may have cast illegal votes
A research group in New Jersey has taken a fresh look at postelection polling data and concluded that the number of noncitizens voting illegally in U.S. elections is likely far greater than previous estimates.

As many as 5.7 million noncitizens may have voted in the 2008 election, which put Barack Obama in the White House.

The research organization Just Facts, a widely cited, independent think tank led by self-described conservatives and libertarians, revealed its number-crunching in a report on national immigration."
Noncitizen illegal vote number higher than estimated

6. "Nevada Sec. State: DMV Instructed Employees To Register Non-Citizens To Vote

“It has come to our attention that when offering voter registration opportunities to customers, DMV’s employees offer voter registration materials to DMV customers whom they know to be non-citizens based upon their presentation of a Green Card for identification purposes,” Cegavske wrote."

7. "Leaked Memo Confirms What We Already Knew About Democrats And Illegal Immigration
… a leaked document from the Center For American Progress (CAP) Action Fund shows what most of us have always known, but what Democrats like to pretend isn’t their reality.

Namely, the memo, in great detail, maps out how Democrats are relying on illegal immigration to prop up their political future.

“The fight to protect Dreamers is not only a moral imperative, it is also a critical component of the Democratic Party’s future electoral success,” reads Palmieri’s memo,…” Leaked Memo Confirms What We Already Knew About Democrats and Illegal Immigration

8.“More specifically, it is our understanding that some DMV employees have been instructed to accept registration materials from all customers, including those who present a Green Card for identification purposes…"
Nevada Sec. State: DMV Instructed Employees To Register Non-Citizens To Vote

And this:

. "WASHINGTON – California will take the next step in blurring the lines between citizens and non-citizens beginning April Fool’s Day when the state complies with a court order to begin automatically registering to vote all those who are granted driver’s licenses.

The state has long provided driver’s licenses to all who simply claimed, without proof, that they were citizens of in the country legally. There were no checks made or documentation required.

But beginning April 1 every person who gets a California driver’s license will be automatically entitled to vote.

...under a program dubbed the California New Motor Voter Act. Signed into law in October 2015, the new statute requires the DMV to forward records for all eligible applicants to the Secretary of State’s Office for registration unless those applicants elect not to register to vote."
Major state to register illegal aliens to vote – automatically"
Major state to register illegal aliens to vote – automatically

9. "Poll: 13% of Illegal Aliens ADMIT They Vote
Thanks to a new poll, we now know that approximately 13% of illegal aliens vote. Since they are already criminals, stealing ID’s or using phony ID’s. lie to get welfare, steal jobs—why not vote as they to lose. Since they can not be deported or jailed, they have nothing to lose. Obama is protecting these law breakers. "
Poll: 13% of Illegal Aliens ADMIT They Vote - California Political Review



10. "More than a million undocumented immigrants have received California driver's licenses"
More than 1 million undocumented immigrants have received driver's licenses, the California Department of Motor Vehicles announced Wednesday.

Assembly Bill 60, authored by then-Assemblyman Luis Alejo in 2013, required California DMV offices to issue driver's licenses to undocumented immigrants as long as they can prove their identity and residence within the state. The law has led to 1,001,000 undocumented immigrants receiving licenses as of March 31 ...."
More than a million undocumented immigrants have received California driver's licenses


Will Hussein Obama return in to tell 'em all to go out and vote, as he did in 2016????


You betcha'!!!!!

 

[KissMy]

Inasmuch as all the people noted below have asserted that there is no material incidence of voter fraud, I think that if unauthorized individuals vote, it's not worth ushering to the front of the line, as it were, the fact that on rarefied occasions an unauthorized person here and there does cast a vote that shouldn't count.

Hey einstein. You haven't addressed what this thread is about. By supporting daca and dapa democrats proved they do not care about our immigration laws. So why should they enforce laws against illegals voting when letting them vote will help the democrats immensely.?? THINK

You are dumber than dirt!!!!!! Every voter registration must be approved by the Republican Part & Democrat Party before they are added to the voter roll. If they were added to voter rolls Republicans had to background check & approve them. Then they would have to actually show up and vote!!! That did not happen!!!

 

[miketx]

Anyone NOT a lying liberal want to explain these signs?

Here is a link to them,

vote here signs in spanish - Google Search:

 

[NotfooledbyW]

PoliticalChic, post: 19674361

4.He goes on to make this bald faced lie: "When you vote you are a citizen yourself"

How is that not true since he said it to a US citizen asking if her 'legal' vote could cause repercussions for people she knew that did not have legal status.

Obama told a legal citizen to vote and have nothing to fear.

And what you do is lie about it being filled with so much hate and deprived of honesty.

 

[WaitingFor2020]

With his DACA and DAPA programs Obozo gave millions of these criminal invaders a certificate telling them they can live and work here even though the LAW SAYS THEY CAN DO NEITHER!!! And yet democrats tell us they were strict about enforcing the laws against illegals voting. HAHAHAHA

Obama ENCOURAGED the illegals to vote both 2012 and 16 and they did by the millions. It's extremely important to an illegal that the open borders and welfare party be in power. They undoubtedly vote at a higher rate than citizens do.

You got a CREDIBLE link to show that?

I was just going to ask the same thing.
No corroboration for claims means it's nothing but an opinion.
Why are the cons on this board so terrified of hard data and facts?

 

[tycho1572]

What with bath house barry telling them they can vote, what would you expect?

“When you vote, you are citizen”

It’s incredible how anyone could have voted for that idiot.
Remember when he said this?.......


smh

Its incredible how anyone coudl have voted for this idiot

Remember when he said this:

I’ll vote for a guy who likes pussy over a dick lover who doesn’t even know how many states we have.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

Anyone NOT a lying liberal want to explain these signs?

Here is a link to them,

vote here signs in spanish - Google Search:

What's to explain to an idiot that must not know that many US citizens speak Spanish as a primary language.

 

[WaitingFor2020]

Anyone NOT a lying liberal want to explain these signs?

Here is a link to them,

vote here signs in spanish - Google Search:

If you live in Texas you know that there's dual-language signs everywhere, not just at polling places. This is not proof.
Show some hard data or STFU.

 

[miketx]

With his DACA and DAPA programs Obozo gave millions of these criminal invaders a certificate telling them they can live and work here even though the LAW SAYS THEY CAN DO NEITHER!!! And yet democrats tell us they were strict about enforcing the laws against illegals voting. HAHAHAHA

Obama ENCOURAGED the illegals to vote both 2012 and 16 and they did by the millions. It's extremely important to an illegal that the open borders and welfare party be in power. They undoubtedly vote at a higher rate than citizens do.

You got a CREDIBLE link to show that?

I was just going to ask the same thing.
No corroboration for claims means it's nothing but an opinion.
Why are the cons on this board so terrified of hard data and facts?

Again troll, the facts are iin the videos and the signs. Keep blowing smoke, but the facts bath house did it.

 

[DrLove]

You are an idiot.

This was settled long ago.

A stupidly edited and narrated video from Western Journal?

No thanks

FALSE: Obama Encouraged 'Illegal Aliens' to Vote
No, this video does not show Obama urging undocumented people to vote
Why So Many People Believe Obama Encouraged ‘Illegals’ to Vote

 

[miketx]

Anyone NOT a lying liberal want to explain these signs?

Here is a link to them,

vote here signs in spanish - Google Search:

If you live in Texas you know that there's dual-language signs everywhere, not just at polling places. This is not proof.
Show some hard data or STFU.

Citizens can all speak English. You have been shown the proof, but like ALWAYS, no proof satisfies you, it just makes you lie more.

 

[Kondor3]

The question is not whether Obumble tried to get Illegal Aliens to vote...

The two questions raised by the OP are...

1. Is there substantive evidence of Illegal Aliens actually voting?

2. If 'yes', then, what was the extent of that illegal voting? *

( * translation: did it actually tip the scales or make a substantial or statistically valid difference?)

See if this helps:


1. How's this....LA Times:

"If you’ve visited the DMV in the last few weeks, you may have noticed that you can now complete your voter registration at the same time you renew your driver’s license — without having to fill out a separate form.... they will be registered as having no party preference. " Registered to vote at the DMV? Check again. Many who use the new process miss a vital step two


2. "It's Official: Clinton's Popular Vote Win Came Entirely From California
If you take California out of the popular vote equation, then Trump wins the rest of the country by 1.4 million votes.
.... if you look at every other measure, Trump was the clear and decisive winner in this election."
It's Official: Clinton's Popular Vote Win Came Entirely From California


Think California is loaded with illegal alien voters??????

You betcha'!!!!


3. California has the largest number of illegal immigrants in the United States, with an estimated 2.4 million unauthorized immigrants making up about 6.3 percent of the state's total population, according to the Pew Research Center.Sep 14, 2015
Illegal Immigration Statistics in California - Newsmax.com
www.newsmax.com/FastFeatures/illegal-immigration-California/2015/09/14/.../691462/

4. "... there is evidence that both foreign nationals who are lawfully present in the United States and illegal aliens have voted in recent elections. During this election cycle, noncitizens have been discovered on voter registration rolls in both Virginia and Pennsylvania. 2 And the Office of the U.S. Attorney for the Western District of New York recently announced that it charged a Canadian woman with making a false claim to citizenship after she registered and voted in more than 20 elections.3

Several past elections – for the presidency and other offices – have been extremely close. Accordingly, ballots cast by noncitizen voters have the potential to improperly alter the outcome of elections. Consider how close the 2000 presidential election was.
Could the outcome have been affected by noncitizen voting? The answer is yes."
Noncitizens, Voting Violations and U.S. Elections


5. "Study supports Trump: 5.7 million noncitizens may have cast illegal votes
A research group in New Jersey has taken a fresh look at postelection polling data and concluded that the number of noncitizens voting illegally in U.S. elections is likely far greater than previous estimates.

As many as 5.7 million noncitizens may have voted in the 2008 election, which put Barack Obama in the White House.

The research organization Just Facts, a widely cited, independent think tank led by self-described conservatives and libertarians, revealed its number-crunching in a report on national immigration."
Noncitizen illegal vote number higher than estimated

6. "Nevada Sec. State: DMV Instructed Employees To Register Non-Citizens To Vote

“It has come to our attention that when offering voter registration opportunities to customers, DMV’s employees offer voter registration materials to DMV customers whom they know to be non-citizens based upon their presentation of a Green Card for identification purposes,” Cegavske wrote."

7. "Leaked Memo Confirms What We Already Knew About Democrats And Illegal Immigration
… a leaked document from the Center For American Progress (CAP) Action Fund shows what most of us have always known, but what Democrats like to pretend isn’t their reality.

Namely, the memo, in great detail, maps out how Democrats are relying on illegal immigration to prop up their political future.

“The fight to protect Dreamers is not only a moral imperative, it is also a critical component of the Democratic Party’s future electoral success,” reads Palmieri’s memo,…” Leaked Memo Confirms What We Already Knew About Democrats and Illegal Immigration

“More specifically, it is our understanding that some DMV employees have been instructed to accept registration materials from all customers, including those who present a Green Card for identification purposes…"
Nevada Sec. State: DMV Instructed Employees To Register Non-Citizens To Vote


9. "WASHINGTON – California will take the next step in blurring the lines between citizens and non-citizens beginning April Fool’s Day when the state complies with a court order to begin automatically registering to vote all those who are granted driver’s licenses.

The state has long provided driver’s licenses to all who simply claimed, without proof, that they were citizens of in the country legally. There were no checks made or documentation required.

But beginning April 1 every person who gets a California driver’s license will be automatically entitled to vote.

...under a program dubbed the California New Motor Voter Act. Signed into law in October 2015, the new statute requires the DMV to forward records for all eligible applicants to the Secretary of State’s Office for registration unless those applicants elect not to register to vote."
Major state to register illegal aliens to vote – automatically"
Major state to register illegal aliens to vote – automatically

9. "Poll: 13% of Illegal Aliens ADMIT They Vote
Thanks to a new poll, we now know that approximately 13% of illegal aliens vote. Since they are already criminals, stealing ID’s or using phony ID’s. lie to get welfare, steal jobs—why not vote as they to lose. Since they can not be deported or jailed, they have nothing to lose. Obama is protecting these law breakers. "
Poll: 13% of Illegal Aliens ADMIT They Vote - California Political Review



10. "More than a million undocumented immigrants have received California driver's licenses"
More than 1 million undocumented immigrants have received driver's licenses, the California Department of Motor Vehicles announced Wednesday.

Assembly Bill 60, authored by then-Assemblyman Luis Alejo in 2013, required California DMV offices to issue driver's licenses to undocumented immigrants as long as they can prove their identity and residence within the state. The law has led to 1,001,000 undocumented immigrants receiving licenses as of March 31 ...."
More than a million undocumented immigrants have received California driver's licenses


Will Hussein Obama return in to tell 'em all to go out and vote, as he did in 2016????


You betcha'!!!!!

You have presented no solid evidence of substantive Illegal Voting.

You merely serve-up speculation on potential, in the State of California.

Illinois also has a register-to-vote-while-you-get-your-drivers-license service, but there is very little evidence of widespread Illegal Voting.

And Illinois, too, has a large Illegal Aliens population.

A handful of isolated cases in West Virginia and Pennsylvania are hardly the basis for statistical significance.

Sorry.

 

[miketx]

The question is not whether Obumble tried to get Illegal Aliens to vote...

The two questions raised by the OP are...

1. Is there substantive evidence of Illegal Aliens actually voting?

2. If 'yes', then, what was the extent of that illegal voting? *

( * translation: did it actually tip the scales or make a substantial or statistically valid difference?)

See if this helps:


1. How's this....LA Times:

"If you’ve visited the DMV in the last few weeks, you may have noticed that you can now complete your voter registration at the same time you renew your driver’s license — without having to fill out a separate form.... they will be registered as having no party preference. " Registered to vote at the DMV? Check again. Many who use the new process miss a vital step two


2. "It's Official: Clinton's Popular Vote Win Came Entirely From California
If you take California out of the popular vote equation, then Trump wins the rest of the country by 1.4 million votes.
.... if you look at every other measure, Trump was the clear and decisive winner in this election."
It's Official: Clinton's Popular Vote Win Came Entirely From California


Think California is loaded with illegal alien voters??????

You betcha'!!!!


3. California has the largest number of illegal immigrants in the United States, with an estimated 2.4 million unauthorized immigrants making up about 6.3 percent of the state's total population, according to the Pew Research Center.Sep 14, 2015
Illegal Immigration Statistics in California - Newsmax.com
www.newsmax.com/FastFeatures/illegal-immigration-California/2015/09/14/.../691462/

4. "... there is evidence that both foreign nationals who are lawfully present in the United States and illegal aliens have voted in recent elections. During this election cycle, noncitizens have been discovered on voter registration rolls in both Virginia and Pennsylvania. 2 And the Office of the U.S. Attorney for the Western District of New York recently announced that it charged a Canadian woman with making a false claim to citizenship after she registered and voted in more than 20 elections.3

Several past elections – for the presidency and other offices – have been extremely close. Accordingly, ballots cast by noncitizen voters have the potential to improperly alter the outcome of elections. Consider how close the 2000 presidential election was.
Could the outcome have been affected by noncitizen voting? The answer is yes."
Noncitizens, Voting Violations and U.S. Elections


5. "Study supports Trump: 5.7 million noncitizens may have cast illegal votes
A research group in New Jersey has taken a fresh look at postelection polling data and concluded that the number of noncitizens voting illegally in U.S. elections is likely far greater than previous estimates.

As many as 5.7 million noncitizens may have voted in the 2008 election, which put Barack Obama in the White House.

The research organization Just Facts, a widely cited, independent think tank led by self-described conservatives and libertarians, revealed its number-crunching in a report on national immigration."
Noncitizen illegal vote number higher than estimated

6. "Nevada Sec. State: DMV Instructed Employees To Register Non-Citizens To Vote

“It has come to our attention that when offering voter registration opportunities to customers, DMV’s employees offer voter registration materials to DMV customers whom they know to be non-citizens based upon their presentation of a Green Card for identification purposes,” Cegavske wrote."

7. "Leaked Memo Confirms What We Already Knew About Democrats And Illegal Immigration
… a leaked document from the Center For American Progress (CAP) Action Fund shows what most of us have always known, but what Democrats like to pretend isn’t their reality.

Namely, the memo, in great detail, maps out how Democrats are relying on illegal immigration to prop up their political future.

“The fight to protect Dreamers is not only a moral imperative, it is also a critical component of the Democratic Party’s future electoral success,” reads Palmieri’s memo,…” Leaked Memo Confirms What We Already Knew About Democrats and Illegal Immigration

“More specifically, it is our understanding that some DMV employees have been instructed to accept registration materials from all customers, including those who present a Green Card for identification purposes…"
Nevada Sec. State: DMV Instructed Employees To Register Non-Citizens To Vote


9. "WASHINGTON – California will take the next step in blurring the lines between citizens and non-citizens beginning April Fool’s Day when the state complies with a court order to begin automatically registering to vote all those who are granted driver’s licenses.

The state has long provided driver’s licenses to all who simply claimed, without proof, that they were citizens of in the country legally. There were no checks made or documentation required.

But beginning April 1 every person who gets a California driver’s license will be automatically entitled to vote.

...under a program dubbed the California New Motor Voter Act. Signed into law in October 2015, the new statute requires the DMV to forward records for all eligible applicants to the Secretary of State’s Office for registration unless those applicants elect not to register to vote."
Major state to register illegal aliens to vote – automatically"
Major state to register illegal aliens to vote – automatically

9. "Poll: 13% of Illegal Aliens ADMIT They Vote
Thanks to a new poll, we now know that approximately 13% of illegal aliens vote. Since they are already criminals, stealing ID’s or using phony ID’s. lie to get welfare, steal jobs—why not vote as they to lose. Since they can not be deported or jailed, they have nothing to lose. Obama is protecting these law breakers. "
Poll: 13% of Illegal Aliens ADMIT They Vote - California Political Review



10. "More than a million undocumented immigrants have received California driver's licenses"
More than 1 million undocumented immigrants have received driver's licenses, the California Department of Motor Vehicles announced Wednesday.

Assembly Bill 60, authored by then-Assemblyman Luis Alejo in 2013, required California DMV offices to issue driver's licenses to undocumented immigrants as long as they can prove their identity and residence within the state. The law has led to 1,001,000 undocumented immigrants receiving licenses as of March 31 ...."
More than a million undocumented immigrants have received California driver's licenses


Will Hussein Obama return in to tell 'em all to go out and vote, as he did in 2016????


You betcha'!!!!!

You have presented no solid evidence of substantive Illegal Voting.

You merely serve-up speculation on potential.

A handful of isolated cases in West Virginia and Pennsylvania are hardly the basis for statistical significance.

Sorry.

I presented video proof. You simply ignore it like all regressive liars do.

 

[rightwinger]

The question is not whether Obumble tried to get Illegal Aliens to vote...

Maybe he did... maybe he didn't... doesn't matter, other than serving as a distraction...

The two questions raised by the OP are...

1. Is there substantive evidence of Illegal Aliens actually voting?

2. If 'yes', then, what was the extent of that illegal voting? *

( * translation: did it actually tip the scales or make a substantial or statistically significant difference? )

Any illegal voting is probably because they thought they could and nobody stoped them

There is zero evidence of widespread voter fraud

 

[miketx]

With his DACA and DAPA programs Obozo gave millions of these criminal invaders a certificate telling them they can live and work here even though the LAW SAYS THEY CAN DO NEITHER!!! And yet democrats tell us they were strict about enforcing the laws against illegals voting. HAHAHAHA

Obama ENCOURAGED the illegals to vote both 2012 and 16 and they did by the millions. It's extremely important to an illegal that the open borders and welfare party be in power. They undoubtedly vote at a higher rate than citizens do.

You got a CREDIBLE link to show that?

I was just going to ask the same thing.
No corroboration for claims means it's nothing but an opinion.
Why are the cons on this board so terrified of hard data and facts?

I posted the facts in the video. You liars play games and pretend it's not there.

 

[tycho1572]

You are an idiot.

This was settled long ago.

A stupidly edited and narrated video from Western Journal?

No thanks

FALSE: Obama Encouraged 'Illegal Aliens' to Vote
No, this video does not show Obama urging undocumented people to vote
Why So Many People Believe Obama Encouraged ‘Illegals’ to Vote

Ignorance is bliss with you.