She's playing some game too. Big poster in the Israel Palestine Forum. Vey pro Israeli. Very anti-Christian. A total evangelist.The expectation is for a universal truth. Subjectivity keeps everyone from seeing it. Truth is discovered. I already explained this.You're making claims to "Objective truths are universal, they are true for everyone". Clearly they are not.
I do not think there is such a thing as "Objective truths are universal". And, if you look at the history of Christianity, Judaism and Islam you will realize that neither do those religious beliefs. The deeds that they (sometimes) condemn now are the same ones that they performed in antiquity. No institution in history has changed its moral stance as much as the religious institutions. Humanistic ethics are based on compassion and reason, and are far more moral than those based on the bribery of future reward or the fear of future torture. Would you want your child to do the right thing because he knew it was the right thing to do, or because he wanted a reward and feared a punishment?
The problem with the theistic application of attributes to the gods is the suggestion of an "objective” or a “moral” God(s). It means nothing in human context. What does it mean? How do you define an objective or moral god(s) when you cannot be the god from the god's perspective? My complaint regarding the morality of the gods is based exclusively on the listed ethics in the various holy texts which fall far short of present day ethics man applies in modern day civilization. That is why there is such outrage against sharia in Moslem countries. It's not because they go "against the word of God" -- but because they adhere to the word of god. Why is that?
If there is a universal code of common decency that is independent of man how come we all don't behave the same way when it comes to right and wrong? The reason man doesn't behave the same way is because of subjectivity. The difference between being objective and being subjective is bias. Bias is eliminated when there is no preference for an outcome. To eliminate a preference for an outcome one must have no thought of the consequences to one's self. If one does not practice this they will see subjective truth instead of objective truth. Subjective truth leads to moral relativism. Where consequences to self and preferences for an outcome leads to rationalizations of right and wrong.
Man does know right from wrong and when he violates it rather than abandoning the concept of right and wrong he rationalizes he did not violate it. You can see this behavior in almost all quarrels and disagreements. At the heart of every quarrel and disagreement is a belief in a universal right and wrong. So even though each side believes right to be different each side expects the other to believe their side should be universally known and accepted. It is this behavior which tells us there is an expectation for an absolute truth.
If there were never a universal truth that existed man would never have an expectation of fairness to begin with because fairness would have no meaning. The fact that each of us has an expectation of fairness and that we expect everyone else to follow ought to raise our suspicion on the origin of that expectation.
I find it ironic that you would reference universal truths when your gods have no real interest in those attributes. A god of love and justice who drowns the world, sends plagues, brings down civilizations, he allows maniacal generals to slay thousands upon his command. He will allow vials of death and disease and chaos and mayhem to reign supreme, and he will let you go to hell for all time for not "choosing correctly".
How about slavery. Is it a universal truth that slavery is condemnable? What do the gods have to say about slavery in the Bible’s?
I can see from your response that you’re not interested in a sincere, actual debate. You just want to lash out angrily at Christianity and theism.
I asked you clearly stated questions, which you completely ignored. I specifically told you to set aside the Bible for now, and religions, and look at this from a purely philosophical standpoint.
So if you don’t want to answer questions or have a real discussion, I’ll leave you here to continue your foaming at the mouth, immature responses… COMPLETELY based on biblical ignorance and spiritual blindness.
Gee whiz. What a lovely invitation. Maybe a few more insults and I'll come around to your way of thinking.
Read your own replies. Pretty much every single reply is condescending, and then when someone tries to engage you in an actual discussion, you completely ignore the questions/ points and just continue ranting about “magic” and how evil God is. So I’m sorry but if you’re not willing to have an actual discussion, I’m going to simply tell it like it is.