Does it bother you that our entire government is based on forcing people via gunpoint

[Uncensored2008]

You can watch a thread begin to die when Jake starts posting on it

That is what Soros pays him for.

Jakematters is not just a pile of shit, fucking troll; but a PROFESSIONAL pile of shit, fucking troll.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Guy, between the fact you are here all day and your anger management problems, I honestly doubt you can hold down a job.

Fact is, Paris Hilton is not working all that hard, and neither is a Movie Star who gets 10 million for a shit picture.

Yet your little tin god, Obama, exempted that Movie Star from tax increases.

 

[Avatar4321]

Free society lol. I can't even ride my bike without a helmet without possibly getting put in a cage.

and your kid can't open a lemonade stand without spending $500 to get a permit.

I was talking about freedom of speech. You are a part of society, thus there are limitations expressed by the leges and supreme courts of We the People.

You can always move away.

How is the first amendment impeded by libertarianism?

 

[JakeStarkey]

and your kid can't open a lemonade stand without spending $500 to get a permit.

I was talking about freedom of speech. You are a part of society, thus there are limitations expressed by the leges and supreme courts of We the People.

You can always move away.

How is the first amendment impeded by libertarianism?

Non sequitur.

 

[bripat9643]

Free society lol. I can't even ride my bike without a helmet without possibly getting put in a cage.

and your kid can't open a lemonade stand without spending $500 to get a permit.

I was talking about freedom of speech. You are a part of society, thus there are limitations expressed by the leges and supreme courts of We the People.

You can always move away.

Government is the only threat to my freedom of speech, so all you're saying is that government gives me what I would have had anyway if government didn't exist. In other words, government gives me nothing.

 

[bripat9643]

Sorry, man, symptoms of the same problem. You even notice that those movie stars who get the 8 figure salaries are doing worse work than when they were struggling actors? They sell out.

What "problem" is that, people being successful? customers spending their money for the entertainment and products they want?



You mean you want an America that even works for lazy moochers who don't want to do a days honest work?

But you'll sit on your fat ass waiting for your disability check and complain about the "gummit" keeping you down

I'm not a democrat, so that scenario is hardly credible.

Guy, between the fact you are here all day and your anger management problems, I honestly doubt you can hold down a job.

Fact is, Paris Hilton is not working all that hard, and neither is a Movie Star who gets 10 million for a shit picture.

You have no response to my post, so you engage in personal attacks.

That is so beautifully you, Joe.

 

[bripat9643]

I was talking about freedom of speech. You are a part of society, thus there are limitations expressed by the leges and supreme courts of We the People.

You can always move away.

How is the first amendment impeded by libertarianism?

Non sequitur.

Hardly, you fucking dipstick. It's exactly what you claimed.

 

[JakeStarkey]

and your kid can't open a lemonade stand without spending $500 to get a permit.

I was talking about freedom of speech. You are a part of society, thus there are limitations expressed by the leges and supreme courts of We the People.

You can always move away.

Government is the only threat to my freedom of speech, so all you're saying is that government gives me what I would have had anyway if government didn't exist. In other words, government gives me nothing.

You mix liberty with freedom, believing they are the same thing. They aren't.

The citizen accepts certain limitations by the leges and the curts of We the People for a better country.

Both LL and bripat need to read and study much more in depth on these matters.

 

[bripat9643]

Free society lol. I can't even ride my bike without a helmet without possibly getting put in a cage.

and your kid can't open a lemonade stand without spending $500 to get a permit.

I was talking about freedom of speech. You are a part of society, thus there are limitations expressed by the leges and supreme courts of We the People.

You can always move away.

However you want to justify it, it obviously doesn't resemble freedom in any sense of the word.

True, I could move away, or I can organize a bunch of like minded people and throw the fascists you worship out of power.

 

[bripat9643]

You mix liberty with freedom, believing they are the same thing. They aren't.

They are exactly the same thing, dipshit.

The citizen accepts certain limitations by the leges and the curts of We the People for a better country.

Oh, right. Does he have a choice? The limitations you favor don't make the country better.

Both LL and bripat need to read and study much more in depth on these matters.

We'd have to have Alzheimer's to see that matter from your perspective.

 

[dblack]

I was talking about freedom of speech. You are a part of society, thus there are limitations expressed by the leges and supreme courts of We the People.

You can always move away.

How is the first amendment impeded by libertarianism?

Non sequitur.

It's a little known fact that "jake starkey", in several Lithuanian dialects, is a term meaning "non sequitur". Though the words more literally translate to "nuisance " or "distraction ".

 

[Avatar4321]

I was talking about freedom of speech. You are a part of society, thus there are limitations expressed by the leges and supreme courts of We the People.

You can always move away.

How is the first amendment impeded by libertarianism?

Non sequitur.

How the heck is it Non sequitur?! You just stated that the First Amendment is impeded by libertarianism. I want to know how.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Crap.

Original removed...

 

[JakeStarkey]

How is the first amendment impeded by libertarianism?

Non sequitur.

How the heck is it Non sequitur?! You just stated that the First Amendment is impeded by libertarianism. I want to know how.

First of all, include the entire quote for context, "I was talking about freedom of speech. You are a part of society, thus there are limitations expressed by the leges and supreme courts of We the People. You can always move away."

Because libertarianism has nothing to do with the 1st Amendment.

 

[Avatar4321]

Non sequitur.

How the heck is it Non sequitur?! You just stated that the First Amendment is impeded by libertarianism. I want to know how.

First of all, include the entire quote for context, "I was talking about freedom of speech. You are a part of society, thus there are limitations expressed by the leges and supreme courts of We the People. You can always move away."

Because libertarianism has nothing to do with the 1st Amendment.

First, the site cuts off the quote. I quoted the entire thing originally. So don't blame me. Especially when it takes about two seconds to go back and look at the conversation.

If the First Amendment has nothing to with Libertarianism, why are you claiming it impedes freedom of speech?

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

So in effect....

Libertarianism is the group of political philosophies which advocate minimizing coercion and emphasize freedom, liberty, and voluntary association. Libertarians generally advocate a society with a greatly reduced state or no state at all.

There is no consensus on the precise definition of libertarianism. The Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy defines libertarianism as the moral view that agents initially fully own themselves and have certain moral powers to acquire property rights in external things.[1] George Woodcock, author of a history of libertarianism, defines it as the philosophy that fundamentally doubts authority and advocates transforming society by reform or revolution.[2] Libertarian philosopher Roderick Long defines libertarianism as "any political position that advocates a radical redistribution of power from the coercive state to voluntary associations of free individuals", whether "voluntary association" takes the form of the free market or of communal co-operatives.[3] According to the U.S. Libertarian Party, libertarianism is the advocacy of a government that is funded voluntarily and limited to protecting individuals from coercion and violence.[4]

Libertarian schools of thought differ over the degree to which the state should be reduced. Anarchistic schools advocate complete elimination of the state. Minarchists advocate a state which is limited to protecting its citizens from aggression, theft, breach of contract, and fraud. Some schools accept public assistance for the poor.[5] Additionally, some schools are supportive of private property rights in the ownership of unappropriated land and natural resources while others reject such private ownership and often support common ownership instead (libertarian socialism).[6][7][8]

Some political scholars assert that in most countries the terms "libertarian" and "libertarianism" are synonymous with left anarchism, and some express disapproval of free-market capitalists calling themselves libertarians.[9] Likewise, many libertarian capitalists disapprove of socialists calling themselves "libertarian."[3] In the United States, where the meaning of liberalism has parted significantly from classical liberalism, classical liberalism has largely been renamed to libertarianism and is associated with "economically conservative" and "socially liberal" political views (going by the common meanings of "conservative" and "liberal" in the United States).[10] This has not occurred in other parts of the world, and so the common meaning outside the USA has continued to lean more toward anarchism or anti-statist strands of the socialist movement.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Libertarianism (Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy) Libertarianism.org | Exploring the theory and history of liberty Libertarian Party (United States) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Framers of the US Constitution created a huge government for their time. How very libertarian of them

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

Libertarianism (Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy) Libertarianism.org | Exploring the theory and history of liberty Libertarian Party (United States) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Framers of the US Constitution created a huge government for their time. How very libertarian of them

That's why libertarians would identify more with the Anti-Federalists.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

There is no consensus on the precise definition of libertarianism.

Indeed.

They essentially make it up as they go along.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Libertarianism (Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy) Libertarianism.org | Exploring the theory and history of liberty Libertarian Party (United States) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Framers of the US Constitution created a huge government for their time. How very libertarian of them

That's why libertarians would identify more with the Anti-Federalists.

Libertarians are more antediluvian.