Does Paula Deen Really Have To Go On An Apology Tour?

[daveman]

As a black man, No. No its not racist when Blacks say it to blacks. Seriously, if you dont understand that, there is no way I can help you.

Its that simple.

I understand epithets, but being called a redneck is racist to you? When I was in the military, I met people from all over the country and heard that before and never thought of it as racist.

Foxworthy is the most non controversial comic I know of and he disagrees with you. Eh, live and learn.

I hate double standards.

You embrace them. Asshole.

So redneck is racist to you? Ok.. I ASKED because I dont really know how whites feel about that word. Honestly, I dont.

Stop being an ass. Not a white one, not a red neck one, just a daveman ass.

How am I being an ass?

Oh, yeah -- by insisting on the equal application of standards.

That's really fucking horrible, isn't it?

If you don't mind one person violating the standard, don't get pissed off when someone else does.

Dumbass.

 

[Papageorgio]

it can be discriminatory without being "racist".

So redneck is a discrimitatory word to you?


dis·crim·i·na·to·ry
[dih-skrim-uh-nuh-tawr-ee, -tohr-ee] Show IPA

adjective
1.
characterized by or showing prejudicial treatment, especially as an indication of racial, religious, or sexual bias: discriminatory practices in housing; a discriminatory tax.

Or we could use the definition her statement meant:

discriminatory [dɪˈskrɪmɪnətərɪ -trɪ], discriminative [dɪˈskrɪmɪnətɪv]
adj
1. based on or showing prejudice; biased

Why do liberals have to be so damned dishonest?

They want everything on their terms.

 

[daveman]

Honky and Cracker (although I have not heard those terms in a long time) is racist.

Why do you keep lying about that?

http://www.usmessageboard.com/race-...e-to-go-on-an-apology-tour-3.html#post7417879

Zona, why do you keep ignoring the NBP video? Pretending it's not there doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

 

[Zona]

Does anybody know what the hell daveman is talking about? Daveman, you honestly are the definition of an asshole.

 

[daveman]

So redneck is a discrimitatory word to you?


dis·crim·i·na·to·ry
[dih-skrim-uh-nuh-tawr-ee, -tohr-ee] Show IPA

adjective
1.
characterized by or showing prejudicial treatment, especially as an indication of racial, religious, or sexual bias: discriminatory practices in housing; a discriminatory tax.

Or we could use the definition her statement meant:

discriminatory [dɪˈskrɪmɪnətərɪ -trɪ], discriminative [dɪˈskrɪmɪnətɪv]
adj
1. based on or showing prejudice; biased

Why do liberals have to be so damned dishonest?

They want everything on their terms.

Ahhh, yes, the liberal definition of bipartisanship: "Do what we tell you to do and STFU."

Fuck that shit.

 

[daveman]

Does anybody know what the hell daveman is talking about? Daveman, you honestly are the definition of an asshole.

Oh, suck it, you shithead.

Here's the video yet again. You just make sure you keep pretending it's not there, dumbass.


[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=oBhzJnJIilI]The New Black Panther.avi - YouTube[/ame]

This was plastered all OVER the internet and on television. If you say you didn't see it, you're full of shit.

 

[Papageorgio]

Does anybody know what the hell daveman is talking about? Daveman, you honestly are the definition of an asshole.

Oh, suck it, you shithead.

Here's the video yet again. You just make sure you keep pretending it's not there, dumbass.


[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=oBhzJnJIilI]The New Black Panther.avi - YouTube[/ame]

This was plastered all OVER the internet and on television. If you say you didn't see it, you're full of shit.

He ignores it, it doesn't fit his racial bias, so in his mind it doesn't exist.

 

[Gracie]

The guy in the vid is what one would call an extremist. He just hates, period. Blech. I hope he wakes up some day.
And yet..if a white guy was doing that, all hell would have broken loose,don't ya think? And yes...a white guy saying that crap would be pond scum to me just like that black dude is.

Meanwhile...Paula IS being sued over sexual and racist problems at one of her restaurants which is how all this became so public. Here is the link:
Paula Deen Fired from Food Network After Racial Slur Scandal : People.com

 

[JakeStarkey]

For something she done over 30 years ago? Would people feel better if she said as a white woman raised in the south she never even thought about the word ******?

Why an apology tour? This happened several decades ago. Shoot, Dick Gregory was talking about honkey in Jasper Texas a couple of years ago and no one made him go on tour.

Grow the fuck up, folks.

 

[Sunshine]

Whites are bicultural. Some like to say biracial indicating we are Celts and Saxons. However, that is two cultures, not two races. But there are others in the mix who are considered Caucasian as well who are not Celt or Saxon. So, yes, the use of 'redneck' is racial, and 'hillbilly' is definitely racial as it is lobbed against the predominantly Irish population that inhabited KY and who in the old days named a lot of their children William.

On another level, redneck and hillbilly are classist epithets just as 'trailer trash' is a classist epithet. They are all intended to degrade and dehumanize the people about whom they are spoken. Having to work with all kinds of people, black, white, Asian, Hispanic, rich, poor, insured, uninsured, Medicaid, educated, illiterate, old, young, and smelly, too. I never used any racist or classist terms regarding people. When they come to the health care system, at least my door of it they are all the same. I can tell you that is NOT the case for many providers, and some of them are the great healers you grovel after so quickly, doctors. They even have classist terms to keep nurses in their places, but I won't list them here. That's just the nasty little secret you can all know about you own personal Marcus Wellby. He takes your money and thinks you are scum.

 

[JakeStarkey]

I found almost no nurses and certainly no PAs who thought badly of their patients as several MDs whom I knew certainly did loathe. But took their money.

 

[MikeK]

[...]

The word ****** is racist.[...]

How do you define the word, ******? What exactly does that word mean to you?

 

[Flopper]

You don't get out much do you?

And redneck in your opinion is not racial? I think your opinion is pretty narrow minded and you seem a little bigoted.

The word ****** is racist. Honky and Cracker (although I have not heard those terms in a long time) is racist.

TO ME redneck is not racist. It is more a lifestyle. IN MY OPINION. It certainly is nothing even close to a word that was created to degrade an entire race of people like the word ******.

IN MY OPINION. On the other hand, I am black. When whites call each other rednecks, is it racist? Is it racist for a black person to call a white one that? I dont know. I dont do it myself. I dont think it is. Is it a term of endearment because someone as G rated as foxworthy says it with pride? I dont know. Its not really any of my business and honestly, I dont care since I dont call ANYONE that.

Do you not understand what I am saying here.

I understand. The "N" word was not created to be racist any more than "German" was created to be racist. It was simply a slang word used for slaves, much like "Jew" or "Hispanic".
It only became a pejorative because it was used as such. It's use as a pejorative is rare, these days. Here in Alabama, it is still used though primarily by old folks 70-90 that were raised calling blacks that. It WAS socially accepted in their circle when they were youngsters. People my age and younger rarely use it and when they do, they get, at best a sneer, at worst sternly corrected.

I see the word "redneck" about the same way. When Foxworthy (Hey did you hear he's building a $1/4 billion entertainment complex here in Lower Alabama?) uses "redneck" it's a term of endearment and maybe self description, kind of like blacks using the "N" word amongst themselves.

I guess what I'm trying to say is intent has a lot to do with whether or not a word is racist.
If I was to tell you, "I'm fixin' ta go ta Wallmart." and you reply, "You're starting to sound mighty "redneck, there, Ernie." I wouldn't have a problem. but USE it as a pejorative, and I'll respond about the same way as you would if I said, "Fuck you, NXXXXX!"

I have a neighbor about 1/4 mile up the road. Henry is black and grew up here in LA. Henry is more redneck than I am and I tell him so all the time.

You're right about the N word. I was raised in the South when the inferiority of the black race was not a subject for debate. It was an accepted fact. A black person was always addressed by their first name, never Mr or Mrs. A racist was someone who hated someone because of their race. Refusing to hire a qualified person because they were black, denying a black person the right to vote, barring them from good schools and housing was never considered racism. It was just keeping the blacks in the their place because they did not belong in white society. Blacks in the South were considered to be the white man's burden because they were inferior. They had to be taken care of but they had to be kept in the place. That was not considered racism in the South.

 

[MikeK]

If this woman is fired, I wonder how many blacks actually had anything to do with that. I bet, not many.

On the other hand, remember when Dog the bounty hunter was fired. They hired him back after the initial crap was over.

We will see.

I don't think ANY blacks were the cause of the FN firing her. I think they did that to sho political correctness and avoid any further supposed damage to their reputation.

I think you're right. A grand testament to hypocrisy in the commercial sector.

 

[MikeK]

Never heard a black or Hispanic called rednecks.....case closed.

So, in your opinion, when a white person calls another white person a redneck, its racial to you?

It isn't to me but when a black person calls me redneck, then yes, it usually is. Is a black person calling another black person nxxxxx racial to you?

When Blacks call other Blacks ****** they are exercising a sense of privilege which is symbolically analogous to "White Only" drinking fountains, etc. It is something they are privileged to do which Whites are not. It is a socially accepted prohibition imposed on Whites by Blacks which is affirmed and supported by every dementedly hypocritical White person who obligingly makes use of the patently stupid term, "N-word," or its equivalent rather than saying the word which occurs in the associative thought.

To resort to such childishly fawning nonsense is both patronizing and shamefully stupid.

 

[Ernie S.]

I guess I better not use Redneck any more, either. Because since I am white and my daddy was from Arkansas, if I do call another white person redneck...then I am just as bad as blacks calling each other nigga. Right?

Since you're white, the odds are better than even that you're a racist. Jumps up to 90%+ if you're a conservative.

Right, USMB lefties?

100% according to PINKY

 

[MikeK]

I wonder if pickaninny or aunt jemima is considered racist?

[...]

I usually refer to Condoleeza Rice as George W. Bush's personal pickaninny and to Colin Powell as a house ******. I realize it is offensive to do so -- which I intend it to be. But doing so has absolutely no bearing on my feelings toward Black people in general.

 

[MikeK]

I guess I better not use Redneck any more, either.[...]

When I was in the Marine Corps in the '50s, if one was from a northern state he was a yankee. If he was from a southern state he was a redneck. No offense was intended and none was taken. That's just the way it was.

 

[Gracie]

I was just thinking eaerlier as I browsed tv guide and what was on...why is there a BET tv channel? Can we have a WET channel? OMG..that sounds positively porn-ish So lets make it CET..c for caucasian.

Anywho...no wonder everyone is confused. Listed on the BET channel is a movie called FOR COLORED GIRLS. Um. Ok. I thought "colored" was a no no? Oh. Wait. I guess colored is ok if a colored says it. Right?

PEOPLE ARE PEOPLE. Skin color means squat. Or that is the way it SHOULD be.

 

[Unkotare]

I remember an incident on the no. 24 Bus on York street here in Denver in the early eighties. I was sitting in a seat behind a Black girl and her son. It was kind of cute, he kept peeking up from behind the seat ahead with those big cute brown watery eyes of his. It was cute. But then this 3 year old tyke asks his mom " is that a H-word? I winked at him, and pretended not to notice, his mother told him to shut up. His mother moved them to another seat. I thought of CSNY's song: teach your children well. I got over it. Why can't we do that with NOW? Wink, and get on with it.

I remember an incident on the Green Line going through Allston back in the late 90s. I was sitting about half a car away from an elderly Chinese lady who was sitting by herself. A few seats behind her was a black woman and her 4-5 year old son. This black woman seemed to be paying a lot of attention to the old Chinese lady (peering over and whatnot). At one point she leans over and starts talking into her child's ear for a few minutes. The child then stands up, and with a gentle push from his mother from behind, walks over and in front of the Chinese lady. The child then proceeds to pull back the corners of his eyes, jut out his upper teeth, and dance around in front of the old lady saying "ching chong, ching chong!" in a sing-songy voice. The child's mother is at this point laughing hysterically and clapping her hands in time with the child's performance. The old lady looked to have no idea what was going on and why this kid was acting so strangely, but most of the other passengers were stunned into silence for a moment not believing our eyes. A number of passengers started to stand up just as the train reached the next stop and the woman and child got off. As the train continued on, some of the passengers exchanged silent glances as if to say "wtf? did that just happen?" The old Chinese lady seemed fairly oblivious to the whole thing (or else had a killer poker face).

In addition to anger and outrage, I felt deeply disappointed that this woman, who I don't doubt had been subject to racism more than a few times in her own life, would do this to her own child (not to mention being so disrespectful to an elderly woman). It brought to mind the phenomenon of a person abused as a child later going on to abuse their own children.

It's hard to be optimistic about the human condition sometimes.