Donald Trump Calls For 'Complete Shutdown' Of Muslim Immigration To U.S.

[LogikAndReazon]

America needs more uncivilised, backwards, violent middle eastern shitheads......

For diversitys sake ! Lol

 

[TyroneSlothrop]

Poll: 57 Percent Of Americans Oppose Trump's Proposed Ban On Muslims

 

[JimBowie1958]

It's perfectly reasonable for a candidate to explain their ideas and address questions about them, particular when those ideas are a radical departures from those of his running mates. Simply saying "Trust me; it's going to be simple, easy and fast", doesn't work at least not for anyone with any intelligence. This is the rhetoric you expect of a 3rd world dictator speaking to illiterate peasants.

Or an advertising person. Notice how advertisers dont appeal to the target audiences intellect? They appeal to their emotions, and that is what Trump does, but he also does it in a way to deliberately provoke the media, but thats another topic.

Trump is trying to win an election, not a tenured position at Yale. So he appeals to the heart, not the brain like a good businessman would.

I think Trump's problem with explaining himself is that he has no idea how he might do what he has suggested nor does he know enough about the issues to go any further than issuing broad generations.

Oh I think he has a lot of options lined up but no one will here too many excruciating details about them until he is ready to implement them.

If he is approaching this election process like he would a business deal then he has already drawn up charts for what actions and responses he will take as contingency for dozens of potential risks. It's called 'risk management'.

If you go to Trump's official web site and look at his position on the issues, you will not find a single word about terrorism, nor limiting immigration from countries such as Syria. You will not find anything about deporting all illegal immigrants. What he might do as president is anyone's guess. However, one thing is for sure, his support from his own party in congress would be lukewarm at best.

Yeah, he is working the electorate like an entertainer works a crowd. He has likely a team of survey takers that form profiles on the target electorates on various issues that are current or potentially current. That is called 'market research' and he does these things as part of normal business. He isnt just getting a snap shot of the electorate, but is compiling a running dynamic profile of various demographic groups and has people who studies their reactions to various plausible positions he takes and what are key hot button phrases that get them energized and up out of their chairs.

But the key here is that most voters no longer trust the Media, no longer trust their parties leadership and no longer trust the political establishment.

When these entities attack Trump, it simply affirms in their minds that he is not a part of the political establishment and it has turned on him for breaking ranks against the American people.

 

[JimBowie1958]

Poll: 57 Percent Of Americans Oppose Trump's Proposed Ban On Muslims

lol, Talking Points memo, roflmao

 

[JimBowie1958]

Report: GOP Leaders Huddled To Talk How To Stop Trump At Convention



An intriguing report Thursday in the Washington Post revealed that top Republicans leaders huddled at a restaurant in DC Monday night to scope out what to do if the GOP convention next summer ended up being contested convention.

Yeah, they want to pour gasoline on a raging fire.

That'll work.

 

[Flopper]

It's perfectly reasonable for a candidate to explain their ideas and address questions about them, particular when those ideas are a radical departures from those of his running mates. Simply saying "Trust me; it's going to be simple, easy and fast", doesn't work at least not for anyone with any intelligence. This is the rhetoric you expect of a 3rd world dictator speaking to illiterate peasants.

Or an advertising person. Notice how advertisers dont appeal to the target audiences intellect? They appeal to their emotions, and that is what Trump does, but he also does it in a way to deliberately provoke the media, but thats another topic.

Trump is trying to win an election, not a tenured position at Yale. So he appeals to the heart, not the brain like a good businessman would.

I think Trump's problem with explaining himself is that he has no idea how he might do what he has suggested nor does he know enough about the issues to go any further than issuing broad generations.

Oh I think he has a lot of options lined up but no one will here too many excruciating details about them until he is ready to implement them.

If he is approaching this election process like he would a business deal then he has already drawn up charts for what actions and responses he will take as contingency for dozens of potential risks. It's called 'risk management'.

If you go to Trump's official web site and look at his position on the issues, you will not find a single word about terrorism, nor limiting immigration from countries such as Syria. You will not find anything about deporting all illegal immigrants. What he might do as president is anyone's guess. However, one thing is for sure, his support from his own party in congress would be lukewarm at best.

Yeah, he is working the electorate like an entertainer works a crowd. He has likely a team of survey takers that form profiles on the target electorates on various issues that are current or potentially current. That is called 'market research' and he does these things as part of normal business. He isnt just getting a snap shot of the electorate, but is compiling a running dynamic profile of various demographic groups and has people who studies their reactions to various plausible positions he takes and what are key hot button phrases that get them energized and up out of their chairs.

But the key here is that most voters no longer trust the Media, no longer trust their parties leadership and no longer trust the political establishment.

When these entities attack Trump, it simply affirms in their minds that he is not a part of the political establishment and it has turned on him for breaking ranks against the American people.

That sounds like a pretty good analysis. You've nailed the reason for the Trump support. His supporters simply don't trust the political establishment. I tribute that's mostly due to their lack of understanding of how the our political system actually works and Trump is not going to change that. In fact, his ability to change anything will be greatly hampered because of the lack of respect he commands within his own party.

If Trump continues to command the lead, the Republican convention should be well worth watching. The nominee has always been the leader of his party. So far Trump seems to have little interest in leading the party and the party has even less interest in Trump.

 

[JimBowie1958]

That sounds like a pretty good analysis. You've nailed the reason for the Trump support. His supporters simply don't trust the political establishment. I tribute that mostly to their lack of understanding of how the our political system actually works and Trump is not going to change that. In fact, his ability to change anything is greatly hampered because of the lack of respect he commands within his own party.

Cool, thanks for the compliment. Been studying this guy for a while, ever since the Birther shit started.

Trump is the perfect foil to beat the Establishment Duopoly.

Now, would you like to hear how he can be beaten?

 

[aris2chat]

The danger is not like Carter and Iran. It is not isolated to a country. Unfortunately it is a segment of ideology within Islam that is being exploited. Segments exist within every country where there are muslims. They travel from around the world to fight for this idea of an islamic caliphate and are told the US and west are the major obstacles. It exists online and even in games. We can't distinguish them by a passport. The one common denominator they have is Islam.

Security has to begin somewhere. We don't know how many have become radicalized within the US but those who have traveled to ISIS areas are a higher danger. Those from war torn areas with links to ISIS are a danger. Till we have a way to separate the victims and those that have sneaked into the refugees as infiltrators, we have to contain them and take the time to weed through true muslims and radicals.

The attacks on the US are only a tiny hint at what war 24/7 would be like. No time to investigate. No time to mourn the dead. No time to clean the blood off the street between attacks. It is hard reality but either you find a way to keep ISIS and radical ideology out of the country and away from those already living here that might become radicalized, it will become the reality of the country in the future.

Right now the mess of the middle east will become our mess and be magnified by our open society welcoming and not prejudging. America is an unprotected child open to deadly infections. Are we going to do what ever it takes to protect the country or just let the infection take it's course and hope or pray for the best?

There is no blood test or DNA test to use to keep terrorism from invading. There is no racial limits or nationality to determine who is going to become a terrorist. At what point do we lock our doors and bolt our windows and cower in our rooms hoping terrorism will kill us?

There is a genuine fear. The increase in gun sales proves that. If we felt safe, do you thing most people would even consider the need for a gun?

You are not letting them join your once a month book club, you are inviting them to live in your country, next door to you. They don't care if you want to be their friend or if your kids go to the same schools. Their gold key to heaven is to kill and to be killed with as much blood on their hands as possible.

How do you want to defeat that if you can't identify who they are?

It is tragic how life has changed and the extent we go through in our day to day lives to protect ourselves. We give more attention to the water we drink than who lives in this country that hate us and is actively working to kill us. We have to begin by identifying dangers and do something to change the situation that cultivates it.

 

[Lakhota]

The danger is not like Carter and Iran. It is not isolated to a country. Unfortunately it is a segment of ideology within Islam that is being exploited. Segments exist within every country where there are muslims. They travel from around the world to fight for this idea of an islamic caliphate and are told the US and west are the major obstacles. It exists online and even in games. We can't distinguish them by a passport. The one common denominator they have is Islam.

Security has to begin somewhere. We don't know how many have become radicalized within the US but those who have traveled to ISIS areas are a higher danger. Those from war torn areas with links to ISIS are a danger. Till we have a way to separate the victims and those that have sneaked into the refugees as infiltrators, we have to contain them and take the time to weed through true muslims and radicals.

The attacks on the US are only a tiny hint at what war 24/7 would be like. No time to investigate. No time to mourn the dead. No time to clean the blood off the street between attacks. It is hard reality but either you find a way to keep ISIS and radical ideology out of the country and away from those already living here that might become radicalized, it will become the reality of the country in the future.

Right now the mess of the middle east will become our mess and be magnified by our open society welcoming and not prejudging. America is an unprotected child open to deadly infections. Are we going to do what ever it takes to protect the country or just let the infection take it's course and hope or pray for the best?

There is no blood test or DNA test to use to keep terrorism from invading. There is no racial limits or nationality to determine who is going to become a terrorist. At what point do we lock our doors and bolt our windows and cower in our rooms hoping terrorism will kill us?

There is a genuine fear. The increase in gun sales proves that. If we felt safe, do you thing most people would even consider the need for a gun?

You are not letting them join your once a month book club, you are inviting them to live in your country, next door to you. They don't care if you want to be their friend or if your kids go to the same schools. Their gold key to heaven is to kill and to be killed with as much blood on their hands as possible.

How do you want to defeat that if you can't identify who they are?

It is tragic how life has changed and the extent we go through in our day to day lives to protect ourselves. We give more attention to the water we drink than who lives in this country that hate us and is actively working to kill us. We have to begin by identifying dangers and do something to change the situation that cultivates it.

Are you including homegrown white Christian terrorists?

 

[Flopper]

That sounds like a pretty good analysis. You've nailed the reason for the Trump support. His supporters simply don't trust the political establishment. I tribute that mostly to their lack of understanding of how the our political system actually works and Trump is not going to change that. In fact, his ability to change anything is greatly hampered because of the lack of respect he commands within his own party.

Cool, thanks for the compliment. Been studying this guy for a while, ever since the Birther shit started.

Trump is the perfect foil to beat the Establishment Duopoly.

Now, would you like to hear how he can be beaten?

Sure, but I think I know already how he will be beaten if he get's the nomination. The GOP sees him as a terrible candidate. His pronouncements on politics may lean rightward on the whole, but they splatter all over the map. At times, he has endorsed universal health insurance, higher taxes on the rich, and even praised leading Democrats — including Obama!. Now this may endear him to his supporters proving he's truly an outside, however it will do little to gain him the support of power brokers in the GOP, the people he will need to win the election. To congressmen, governors, and major financial supporters, Trump isn't reliable and he's not likely to get much support from them.

Hillary Clinton's biggest problem is she is yesterday's news. She lacks the ability to inspire Democratic voters as Obama did and she doesn't have the appeal to younger voters that she once had. Trump is the answer to her prayers. Everything about Trump's persona would inspire Democratic-leaning voters to rally around their nominee, however uninspired they might otherwise be feeling. As a racist, a nativist, an astonishingly crude misogynist, and an almost comical anti-intellectual, Trump cuts the perfect villainous figure in the Democratic imagination. Just the mention of Trump's name will send Democrats out knocking on doors.

 

[Flopper]

The danger is not like Carter and Iran. It is not isolated to a country. Unfortunately it is a segment of ideology within Islam that is being exploited. Segments exist within every country where there are muslims. They travel from around the world to fight for this idea of an islamic caliphate and are told the US and west are the major obstacles. It exists online and even in games. We can't distinguish them by a passport. The one common denominator they have is Islam.

Security has to begin somewhere. We don't know how many have become radicalized within the US but those who have traveled to ISIS areas are a higher danger. Those from war torn areas with links to ISIS are a danger. Till we have a way to separate the victims and those that have sneaked into the refugees as infiltrators, we have to contain them and take the time to weed through true muslims and radicals.

The attacks on the US are only a tiny hint at what war 24/7 would be like. No time to investigate. No time to mourn the dead. No time to clean the blood off the street between attacks. It is hard reality but either you find a way to keep ISIS and radical ideology out of the country and away from those already living here that might become radicalized, it will become the reality of the country in the future.

Right now the mess of the middle east will become our mess and be magnified by our open society welcoming and not prejudging. America is an unprotected child open to deadly infections. Are we going to do what ever it takes to protect the country or just let the infection take it's course and hope or pray for the best?

There is no blood test or DNA test to use to keep terrorism from invading. There is no racial limits or nationality to determine who is going to become a terrorist. At what point do we lock our doors and bolt our windows and cower in our rooms hoping terrorism will kill us?

There is a genuine fear. The increase in gun sales proves that. If we felt safe, do you thing most people would even consider the need for a gun?

You are not letting them join your once a month book club, you are inviting them to live in your country, next door to you. They don't care if you want to be their friend or if your kids go to the same schools. Their gold key to heaven is to kill and to be killed with as much blood on their hands as possible.

How do you want to defeat that if you can't identify who they are?

It is tragic how life has changed and the extent we go through in our day to day lives to protect ourselves. We give more attention to the water we drink than who lives in this country that hate us and is actively working to kill us. We have to begin by identifying dangers and do something to change the situation that cultivates it.

In trying to root out terrorists, we can not afford to alienate millions of peaceful Muslims in the US. Without their help, there is little chance of finding the real terrorists. It's like finding a need in a haystack. Sure, there are Muslims that have radical ideas just as there are non-Muslims. Luckily thou, very few have the courage to act on what they believe. This year 3 Islamic terrorist out of 7 million Muslims did so. Last year there were 5 and the year before that there were 8.

 

[aris2chat]

The danger is not like Carter and Iran. It is not isolated to a country. Unfortunately it is a segment of ideology within Islam that is being exploited. Segments exist within every country where there are muslims. They travel from around the world to fight for this idea of an islamic caliphate and are told the US and west are the major obstacles. It exists online and even in games. We can't distinguish them by a passport. The one common denominator they have is Islam.

Security has to begin somewhere. We don't know how many have become radicalized within the US but those who have traveled to ISIS areas are a higher danger. Those from war torn areas with links to ISIS are a danger. Till we have a way to separate the victims and those that have sneaked into the refugees as infiltrators, we have to contain them and take the time to weed through true muslims and radicals.

The attacks on the US are only a tiny hint at what war 24/7 would be like. No time to investigate. No time to mourn the dead. No time to clean the blood off the street between attacks. It is hard reality but either you find a way to keep ISIS and radical ideology out of the country and away from those already living here that might become radicalized, it will become the reality of the country in the future.

Right now the mess of the middle east will become our mess and be magnified by our open society welcoming and not prejudging. America is an unprotected child open to deadly infections. Are we going to do what ever it takes to protect the country or just let the infection take it's course and hope or pray for the best?

There is no blood test or DNA test to use to keep terrorism from invading. There is no racial limits or nationality to determine who is going to become a terrorist. At what point do we lock our doors and bolt our windows and cower in our rooms hoping terrorism will kill us?

There is a genuine fear. The increase in gun sales proves that. If we felt safe, do you thing most people would even consider the need for a gun?

You are not letting them join your once a month book club, you are inviting them to live in your country, next door to you. They don't care if you want to be their friend or if your kids go to the same schools. Their gold key to heaven is to kill and to be killed with as much blood on their hands as possible.

How do you want to defeat that if you can't identify who they are?

It is tragic how life has changed and the extent we go through in our day to day lives to protect ourselves. We give more attention to the water we drink than who lives in this country that hate us and is actively working to kill us. We have to begin by identifying dangers and do something to change the situation that cultivates it.

In trying to root out terrorists, we can not afford to alienate millions of peaceful Muslims in the US. Without their help, there is little chance of finding the real terrorists. It's like finding a need in a haystack. Sure, there are Muslims that have radical ideas just as there are non-Muslims. Luckily thou, very few have the courage to act on what they believe. This year 3 Islamic terrorist out of 7 million Muslims did so. Last year there were 5 and the year before that there were 8.

They need to want to root out the radical elements of Islam. Those that are peaceful don't want groups like ISIS attracting their children. They should be in the forefront of the reporting on potential threats and questionable activity. They have these elements in their neighborhoods and mosques. There might be fear element but they should fear the terrorism and the hate that can build from such acts more than fear of their belief in Islam being questioned by radicals.

We should not have to wonder what is happening in the muslim communities, they should be telling the police and authorities when there is a problem. The US is supposed to be their country now and they need to take a part in protecting it from terrorism and radicals.

 

[EverCurious]

I am a feminist. All of my life I've been treated as less than, not as qualified, the "little woman", the lesser sex, good for one thing only, dumber, blond and stupid, cute but should stay in my place, pushy and loud if I talked too much. Fact is I'm smarter than at least half the men I talk to. But men have made the rules for my life. Men have told me what I can and can't do, how I should live, work and take care of my health. Men usually have no idea what it's like because it's never happened to them. They dismiss feminists as obsessive, man-hating wackos because it's so much easier than thinking about what we really want. Yes, this probably means you. Deal with it.

I'd say you're doing it wrong hon, I've been a power player my entire career and no one has ever looked "down" on me. I flew at the top by age 20, and at 30 I basically started my own "business" (interim corporate management & consulting through an agency) when I feel like working. Even when I was young/new I was well respected by the suits because I've no qualms about telling them to sit down, shut up, and listen - after all that's what they're paying me to do... I've worked for hundreds of companies (mostly corporate, but 10 or so small businesses as well,) and I've never felt that I was being treated any differently than the men, nor have ever felt I needed to "try harder" just to stay "even" with the men.

Though I'll admit there was some ... idk sexist stuff in the early 90's; military wasn't keen to take women, especially not power players like me who were aiming to be commanders and generals, and there was a sexual harassment thing (the guy ended up in jail cause the other women nailed him to the wall.)

 

[EverCurious]

They need to want to root out the radical elements of Islam. Those that are peaceful don't want groups like ISIS attracting their children. They should be in the forefront of the reporting on potential threats and questionable activity. They have these elements in their neighborhoods and mosques. There might be fear element but they should fear the terrorism and the hate that can build from such acts more than fear of their belief in Islam being questioned by radicals.

We should not have to wonder what is happening in the muslim communities, they should be telling the police and authorities when there is a problem. The US is supposed to be their country now and they need to take a part in protecting it from terrorism and radicals.

You've got a point here.

 

[Flopper]

The danger is not like Carter and Iran. It is not isolated to a country. Unfortunately it is a segment of ideology within Islam that is being exploited. Segments exist within every country where there are muslims. They travel from around the world to fight for this idea of an islamic caliphate and are told the US and west are the major obstacles. It exists online and even in games. We can't distinguish them by a passport. The one common denominator they have is Islam.

Security has to begin somewhere. We don't know how many have become radicalized within the US but those who have traveled to ISIS areas are a higher danger. Those from war torn areas with links to ISIS are a danger. Till we have a way to separate the victims and those that have sneaked into the refugees as infiltrators, we have to contain them and take the time to weed through true muslims and radicals.

The attacks on the US are only a tiny hint at what war 24/7 would be like. No time to investigate. No time to mourn the dead. No time to clean the blood off the street between attacks. It is hard reality but either you find a way to keep ISIS and radical ideology out of the country and away from those already living here that might become radicalized, it will become the reality of the country in the future.

Right now the mess of the middle east will become our mess and be magnified by our open society welcoming and not prejudging. America is an unprotected child open to deadly infections. Are we going to do what ever it takes to protect the country or just let the infection take it's course and hope or pray for the best?

There is no blood test or DNA test to use to keep terrorism from invading. There is no racial limits or nationality to determine who is going to become a terrorist. At what point do we lock our doors and bolt our windows and cower in our rooms hoping terrorism will kill us?

There is a genuine fear. The increase in gun sales proves that. If we felt safe, do you thing most people would even consider the need for a gun?

You are not letting them join your once a month book club, you are inviting them to live in your country, next door to you. They don't care if you want to be their friend or if your kids go to the same schools. Their gold key to heaven is to kill and to be killed with as much blood on their hands as possible.

How do you want to defeat that if you can't identify who they are?

It is tragic how life has changed and the extent we go through in our day to day lives to protect ourselves. We give more attention to the water we drink than who lives in this country that hate us and is actively working to kill us. We have to begin by identifying dangers and do something to change the situation that cultivates it.

In trying to root out terrorists, we can not afford to alienate millions of peaceful Muslims in the US. Without their help, there is little chance of finding the real terrorists. It's like finding a need in a haystack. Sure, there are Muslims that have radical ideas just as there are non-Muslims. Luckily thou, very few have the courage to act on what they believe. This year 3 Islamic terrorist out of 7 million Muslims did so. Last year there were 5 and the year before that there were 8.

They need to want to root out the radical elements of Islam. Those that are peaceful don't want groups like ISIS attracting their children. They should be in the forefront of the reporting on potential threats and questionable activity. They have these elements in their neighborhoods and mosques. There might be fear element but they should fear the terrorism and the hate that can build from such acts more than fear of their belief in Islam being questioned by radicals.

We should not have to wonder what is happening in the muslim communities, they should be telling the police and authorities when there is a problem. The US is supposed to be their country now and they need to take a part in protecting it from terrorism and radicals.

In fact, there are many Muslims who work with law enforcement agencies, particularly the FBI to point out Muslims within the United States that they suspect of fostering 'intolerant attitudes". The FBI has informants in Muslim communities across the country.

Muslims aren't reporting potential threats and questionable activity for the same reason non-Muslims aren't. The neighbors of Syed Farook and his wife, the Islamic terrorists in the San Bernardino attack, noticed changes in behavior and suspicious activity but failed to report it because they didn't want be involved. We see this sort of thing everyday. The homeless man laying on the sidewalk and passerby's just step over him. Accidents occur and people turn their heads to avoid being involved. A young Indian boy killed 3 of his class mates and himself. He had been isolating himself from friends , skipping school, talked about killing himself yet the school did nothing, the parents did nothing, and his friends did nothing. This unfortunately is human behavior today. Most people simply don't want to be involved regardless of their religious preference.

 

[Asclepias]

The danger is not like Carter and Iran. It is not isolated to a country. Unfortunately it is a segment of ideology within Islam that is being exploited. Segments exist within every country where there are muslims. They travel from around the world to fight for this idea of an islamic caliphate and are told the US and west are the major obstacles. It exists online and even in games. We can't distinguish them by a passport. The one common denominator they have is Islam.

Security has to begin somewhere. We don't know how many have become radicalized within the US but those who have traveled to ISIS areas are a higher danger. Those from war torn areas with links to ISIS are a danger. Till we have a way to separate the victims and those that have sneaked into the refugees as infiltrators, we have to contain them and take the time to weed through true muslims and radicals.

The attacks on the US are only a tiny hint at what war 24/7 would be like. No time to investigate. No time to mourn the dead. No time to clean the blood off the street between attacks. It is hard reality but either you find a way to keep ISIS and radical ideology out of the country and away from those already living here that might become radicalized, it will become the reality of the country in the future.

Right now the mess of the middle east will become our mess and be magnified by our open society welcoming and not prejudging. America is an unprotected child open to deadly infections. Are we going to do what ever it takes to protect the country or just let the infection take it's course and hope or pray for the best?

There is no blood test or DNA test to use to keep terrorism from invading. There is no racial limits or nationality to determine who is going to become a terrorist. At what point do we lock our doors and bolt our windows and cower in our rooms hoping terrorism will kill us?

There is a genuine fear. The increase in gun sales proves that. If we felt safe, do you thing most people would even consider the need for a gun?

You are not letting them join your once a month book club, you are inviting them to live in your country, next door to you. They don't care if you want to be their friend or if your kids go to the same schools. Their gold key to heaven is to kill and to be killed with as much blood on their hands as possible.

How do you want to defeat that if you can't identify who they are?

It is tragic how life has changed and the extent we go through in our day to day lives to protect ourselves. We give more attention to the water we drink than who lives in this country that hate us and is actively working to kill us. We have to begin by identifying dangers and do something to change the situation that cultivates it.

In trying to root out terrorists, we can not afford to alienate millions of peaceful Muslims in the US. Without their help, there is little chance of finding the real terrorists. It's like finding a need in a haystack. Sure, there are Muslims that have radical ideas just as there are non-Muslims. Luckily thou, very few have the courage to act on what they believe. This year 3 Islamic terrorist out of 7 million Muslims did so. Last year there were 5 and the year before that there were 8.

They need to want to root out the radical elements of Islam. Those that are peaceful don't want groups like ISIS attracting their children. They should be in the forefront of the reporting on potential threats and questionable activity. They have these elements in their neighborhoods and mosques. There might be fear element but they should fear the terrorism and the hate that can build from such acts more than fear of their belief in Islam being questioned by radicals.

We should not have to wonder what is happening in the muslim communities, they should be telling the police and authorities when there is a problem. The US is supposed to be their country now and they need to take a part in protecting it from terrorism and radicals.

In fact, there are many Muslims who work with law enforcement agencies, particularly the FBI to point out Muslims within the United States that they suspect of fostering 'intolerant attitudes". The FBI has informants in Muslim communities across the country.

Muslims aren't reporting potential threats and questionable activity for the same reason non-Muslims aren't. The neighbors of Syed Farook and his wife, the Islamic terrorists in the San Bernardino attack, noticed changes in behavior and suspicious activity but failed to report it because they didn't want be involved. We see this sort of thing everyday. The homeless man laying on the sidewalk and passerby's just step over him. Accidents occur and people turn their heads to avoid being involved. A young Indian boy killed 3 of his class mates and himself. He had been isolating himself from friends , skipping school, talked about killing himself yet the school did nothing, the parents did nothing, and his friends did nothing. This unfortunately is human behavior today. Most people simply don't want to be involved regardless of their religious preference.

I just found out 2 muslim guys that live in my neighborhood both work for homeland security.

 

[aris2chat]

The danger is not like Carter and Iran. It is not isolated to a country. Unfortunately it is a segment of ideology within Islam that is being exploited. Segments exist within every country where there are muslims. They travel from around the world to fight for this idea of an islamic caliphate and are told the US and west are the major obstacles. It exists online and even in games. We can't distinguish them by a passport. The one common denominator they have is Islam.

Security has to begin somewhere. We don't know how many have become radicalized within the US but those who have traveled to ISIS areas are a higher danger. Those from war torn areas with links to ISIS are a danger. Till we have a way to separate the victims and those that have sneaked into the refugees as infiltrators, we have to contain them and take the time to weed through true muslims and radicals.

The attacks on the US are only a tiny hint at what war 24/7 would be like. No time to investigate. No time to mourn the dead. No time to clean the blood off the street between attacks. It is hard reality but either you find a way to keep ISIS and radical ideology out of the country and away from those already living here that might become radicalized, it will become the reality of the country in the future.

Right now the mess of the middle east will become our mess and be magnified by our open society welcoming and not prejudging. America is an unprotected child open to deadly infections. Are we going to do what ever it takes to protect the country or just let the infection take it's course and hope or pray for the best?

There is no blood test or DNA test to use to keep terrorism from invading. There is no racial limits or nationality to determine who is going to become a terrorist. At what point do we lock our doors and bolt our windows and cower in our rooms hoping terrorism will kill us?

There is a genuine fear. The increase in gun sales proves that. If we felt safe, do you thing most people would even consider the need for a gun?

You are not letting them join your once a month book club, you are inviting them to live in your country, next door to you. They don't care if you want to be their friend or if your kids go to the same schools. Their gold key to heaven is to kill and to be killed with as much blood on their hands as possible.

How do you want to defeat that if you can't identify who they are?

It is tragic how life has changed and the extent we go through in our day to day lives to protect ourselves. We give more attention to the water we drink than who lives in this country that hate us and is actively working to kill us. We have to begin by identifying dangers and do something to change the situation that cultivates it.

In trying to root out terrorists, we can not afford to alienate millions of peaceful Muslims in the US. Without their help, there is little chance of finding the real terrorists. It's like finding a need in a haystack. Sure, there are Muslims that have radical ideas just as there are non-Muslims. Luckily thou, very few have the courage to act on what they believe. This year 3 Islamic terrorist out of 7 million Muslims did so. Last year there were 5 and the year before that there were 8.

They need to want to root out the radical elements of Islam. Those that are peaceful don't want groups like ISIS attracting their children. They should be in the forefront of the reporting on potential threats and questionable activity. They have these elements in their neighborhoods and mosques. There might be fear element but they should fear the terrorism and the hate that can build from such acts more than fear of their belief in Islam being questioned by radicals.

We should not have to wonder what is happening in the muslim communities, they should be telling the police and authorities when there is a problem. The US is supposed to be their country now and they need to take a part in protecting it from terrorism and radicals.

In fact, there are many Muslims who work with law enforcement agencies, particularly the FBI to point out Muslims within the United States that they suspect of fostering 'intolerant attitudes". The FBI has informants in Muslim communities across the country.

Muslims aren't reporting potential threats and questionable activity for the same reason non-Muslims aren't. The neighbors of Syed Farook and his wife, the Islamic terrorists in the San Bernardino attack, noticed changes in behavior and suspicious activity but failed to report it because they didn't want be involved. We see this sort of thing everyday. The homeless man laying on the sidewalk and passerby's just step over him. Accidents occur and people turn their heads to avoid being involved. A young Indian boy killed 3 of his class mates and himself. He had been isolating himself from friends , skipping school, talked about killing himself yet the school did nothing, the parents did nothing, and his friends did nothing. This unfortunately is human behavior today. Most people simply don't want to be involved regardless of their religious preference.

I just found out 2 muslim guys that live in my neighborhood both work for homeland security.

Many have been hired as translators and searching the internet chatter for muslim forums. Most real muslims have no love of terrorist groups like ISIS. There is a stigma of questioning someone's muslim faith and fanatics "might" attack westernized muslims. It is not an easy black and white issue within a mosque. Muslims, including women, are hired for TSA and have a better understanding of body searches and modesty of some cultures.

 

[Flopper]

The danger is not like Carter and Iran. It is not isolated to a country. Unfortunately it is a segment of ideology within Islam that is being exploited. Segments exist within every country where there are muslims. They travel from around the world to fight for this idea of an islamic caliphate and are told the US and west are the major obstacles. It exists online and even in games. We can't distinguish them by a passport. The one common denominator they have is Islam.

Security has to begin somewhere. We don't know how many have become radicalized within the US but those who have traveled to ISIS areas are a higher danger. Those from war torn areas with links to ISIS are a danger. Till we have a way to separate the victims and those that have sneaked into the refugees as infiltrators, we have to contain them and take the time to weed through true muslims and radicals.

The attacks on the US are only a tiny hint at what war 24/7 would be like. No time to investigate. No time to mourn the dead. No time to clean the blood off the street between attacks. It is hard reality but either you find a way to keep ISIS and radical ideology out of the country and away from those already living here that might become radicalized, it will become the reality of the country in the future.

Right now the mess of the middle east will become our mess and be magnified by our open society welcoming and not prejudging. America is an unprotected child open to deadly infections. Are we going to do what ever it takes to protect the country or just let the infection take it's course and hope or pray for the best?

There is no blood test or DNA test to use to keep terrorism from invading. There is no racial limits or nationality to determine who is going to become a terrorist. At what point do we lock our doors and bolt our windows and cower in our rooms hoping terrorism will kill us?

There is a genuine fear. The increase in gun sales proves that. If we felt safe, do you thing most people would even consider the need for a gun?

You are not letting them join your once a month book club, you are inviting them to live in your country, next door to you. They don't care if you want to be their friend or if your kids go to the same schools. Their gold key to heaven is to kill and to be killed with as much blood on their hands as possible.

How do you want to defeat that if you can't identify who they are?

It is tragic how life has changed and the extent we go through in our day to day lives to protect ourselves. We give more attention to the water we drink than who lives in this country that hate us and is actively working to kill us. We have to begin by identifying dangers and do something to change the situation that cultivates it.

In trying to root out terrorists, we can not afford to alienate millions of peaceful Muslims in the US. Without their help, there is little chance of finding the real terrorists. It's like finding a need in a haystack. Sure, there are Muslims that have radical ideas just as there are non-Muslims. Luckily thou, very few have the courage to act on what they believe. This year 3 Islamic terrorist out of 7 million Muslims did so. Last year there were 5 and the year before that there were 8.

They need to want to root out the radical elements of Islam. Those that are peaceful don't want groups like ISIS attracting their children. They should be in the forefront of the reporting on potential threats and questionable activity. They have these elements in their neighborhoods and mosques. There might be fear element but they should fear the terrorism and the hate that can build from such acts more than fear of their belief in Islam being questioned by radicals.

We should not have to wonder what is happening in the muslim communities, they should be telling the police and authorities when there is a problem. The US is supposed to be their country now and they need to take a part in protecting it from terrorism and radicals.

In fact, there are many Muslims who work with law enforcement agencies, particularly the FBI to point out Muslims within the United States that they suspect of fostering 'intolerant attitudes". The FBI has informants in Muslim communities across the country.

Muslims aren't reporting potential threats and questionable activity for the same reason non-Muslims aren't. The neighbors of Syed Farook and his wife, the Islamic terrorists in the San Bernardino attack, noticed changes in behavior and suspicious activity but failed to report it because they didn't want be involved. We see this sort of thing everyday. The homeless man laying on the sidewalk and passerby's just step over him. Accidents occur and people turn their heads to avoid being involved. A young Indian boy killed 3 of his class mates and himself. He had been isolating himself from friends , skipping school, talked about killing himself yet the school did nothing, the parents did nothing, and his friends did nothing. This unfortunately is human behavior today. Most people simply don't want to be involved regardless of their religious preference.

I just found out 2 muslim guys that live in my neighborhood both work for homeland security.

1500 out of 10,000 communist in 1957 were FBI informants. No one knew that at the time. I suspect that the same thing is going on in Muslim communities today. The problem is that Islamic terrorist today are American citizens or permanent residents living next door to you or me. Most of them don't live in Muslim communities. They have lived in the country for years, have jobs and often families, many were born here such as Syed Rizwan Farook. The Islamic terrorist in US today are much different from 911 terrorist.

 

[ABikerSailor]

According to reports that I've heard on the news, Muslim informants were responsible for helping stop around 40 percent of the planned attacks on the USA.

 

[Flopper]

According to reports that I've heard on the news, Muslim informants were responsible for helping stop around 40 percent of the planned attacks on the USA.

That's probably right. All the Internet and phone monitoring helps determine threat levels and general areas of greatest concern but to actually determine the who, where, and when, it takes boots on the ground supplying inside information. Without it, law enforcement is just stumbling around in the dark and hoping for the best.