Dr Martin Luther King saved this country

[Redfish]

Please...shut the fuck up with that stupidity.
MLK caused nothing, he never committed a violent act against those that were murdering, raping, beating and blowing up children.

If my response to an individual that wants the right to vote, stay at a hotel of their choice and not be treated as a third rate non-citizen is to murder and kill, then those actions are mine and mine alone.

Yeah he saved this country. Had he not their would be continual violence, retribution and domestic terrorism in the streets.
Black people has enough of the treatment Jim Crow and segregation handed to them, too many whites wanted a South Africa.
That wasn't going to happen.

Can you imagine how most of us would have reacted if someone had blown up a church killing little girls and the government covered it up and refused to prosecute?
How many of us would have peacefully marched across the Edmund Pettus bridge in Selma and allowed the police to beat us with billy clubs without reacting ?

Violence would have been a natural response and it would have destroyed the country in a race war. Dr King won his revolution without firing a shot

MLK did good things for the country and race relations, so did JFK. But neither of them saved the country.

The problem is that we no longer have any MLKs or JFKs. The message of MLK has been corrupted by race baiters and shit stirrers like Sharpton, Jackson, Farrakhan, and Obama. Those 4 people have undone the good done by MLK and JFK. Those 4 people are personally responsible for the current state or race relations in this country. MLK is turning over in his grave at how the so-called black leaders of today have destroyed the good that he did.

Martin Luther King would be thrilled to death with black President Barack Obama

and for the record. obama is half white, half black arab-----------he is NOT an african american.

Where was his father from.

he was from the african continent. The same continent that contains Egypt, Libya, Somalia, and many other muslim nations. He was a black arab, not an african negro.

 

[paperview]

Arab is not a race, you nutbag.

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The Republican Party geared its appeal and program to racism, reaction, and extremism. - Martin Luther King Jr.

 

[Redfish]

Arab is not a race, you nutbag.

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The Republican Party geared its appeal and program to racism, reaction, and extremism. - Martin Luther King Jr.

neither is african, you flaming dipshit.

 

[paperview]

Arab is not a race, you nutbag.

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The Republican Party geared its appeal and program to racism, reaction, and extremism. - Martin Luther King Jr.

neither is african, you flaming dipshit.

You said Obama isn't African American.

African American is a race.

Idiot.

 

[paperview]

A little help for the smelly fishman:

RACE

 

[Redfish]

Arab is not a race, you nutbag.

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The Republican Party geared its appeal and program to racism, reaction, and extremism. - Martin Luther King Jr.

neither is african, you flaming dipshit.

You said Obama isn't African American.

African American is a race.

Idiot.

no, african is not a race any more than european is a race. Negro is a race, caucasion is a race, asian is a race. african american is a meaningless term that was created to give special rights to some americans.

 

[Redfish]

A little help for the smelly fishman:

RACE

a census bureau definition---------LOL

look it up in a dictionary, dipshit.

 

[Lakhota]

I grew up in the 60's and saw most of the Civil Rights movement. Like most Americans, I was outraged at the assasination of Dr King. When we talked about giving him a national holiday ten years later, I looked at it as a form of appeasement for outraged blacks.....a way of giving them their own holiday to quiet them down.

In reading about the Civil Rights movement in subsequent years, I realized what a great American Dr King was. Black Americans came back after WWII to find that despite fighting and dying in defense of their country, they were still treated like lesser Americans. They found they were not allowed to mingle with whites, were not welcome in much of the country they had fought for. Blacks were considered to be dirty, diseased and sub human. Some whites were outraged at the thought of eating with blacks, using the same restrooms, riding on public transportation with them.

As black Americans began to protest their treatment in their own country they were met with harsh resistance from both white militants and governments who swore to support inequal treatment. Blacks were denied the right to vote, to freely associate, rights to a fair trial. Those who resisted were met with terrorist attacks. Lynchings, bombings, arrest and assasination of their leaders.

Most of us faced with such horrific treatment in our own homeland would fight violence with violence. How would you react if someone spat on your child for trying to go to school?

When the courts did not protect blacks, armed conflict would seem a reasonable response. Dr King knew violence would only result in more violence against you. He modeled the Civil Rights movement around Gandhis peaceful resistance theories. By using cameras to document the treatment of peaceful protestors he saved this country from an armed violent protest that would have destroyed this country.


America returned from WWII as an economic and military superpower. But a country that does not treat its citizens with respect is not a moral superpower. By changing the way we treat our citizens, Dr King, more importantly, saved our soul. By forcing us to look in a mirror and see who we really are, he enabled us to become a truly great country.

On this Martin Luther King day I hope everyone can reflect on what a great American he was and how much better off we all are

I agree! Great post. Thank you. I was born in 1946 - so I can easily relate to your OP.

 

[rightwinger]

and for the record. obama is half white, half black arab-----------he is NOT an african american.

Your buddy Rush Limbaugh refers to him as a "Halfrican."

The insistence of these racists in reminding us that President Obama is half white is laughable

A half white Obama would have beed forced to ride in the back of the bus, would have had his voting rights restricted, couldn't eat in restaurants or stayed in public hotels.....

He would not be allowed to drink from white water fountains half the time

Dr King put an end to that

none of those things happened to obama. he was raised in hawaii and indonesia, smoked pot, loafed around, and tried to look cool.

King did not put an end to those things, the civil rights act of 1965 did, and it was passed by republicans in spite of democrat fillibusters.

There would have been no Civil Rights act of 1965 without King

That is simply not true. The country was changing, King was part of it, but he was not the only one by a long shot. It would have happened without him.

This thread is about the claim of the OP than MLK saved the country. That is a bullshit premise and completely illogical.

That is total bullshit and King knew it. He had heard enough of the "Be patient, things will change in their own due time"

They didn't change for 100 years after the 13th amendment

WWII ended in 1945. That was the promise of when civil rights would change. We are in the middle of a war, it would be patriotic of blacks to not push civil rights. Blacks waited, they fought for their country only to come back and find Jim Crow in full force

 

[rightwinger]

Can you imagine how most of us would have reacted if someone had blown up a church killing little girls and the government covered it up and refused to prosecute?
How many of us would have peacefully marched across the Edmund Pettus bridge in Selma and allowed the police to beat us with billy clubs without reacting ?

Violence would have been a natural response and it would have destroyed the country in a race war. Dr King won his revolution without firing a shot

MLK did good things for the country and race relations, so did JFK. But neither of them saved the country.

The problem is that we no longer have any MLKs or JFKs. The message of MLK has been corrupted by race baiters and shit stirrers like Sharpton, Jackson, Farrakhan, and Obama. Those 4 people have undone the good done by MLK and JFK. Those 4 people are personally responsible for the current state or race relations in this country. MLK is turning over in his grave at how the so-called black leaders of today have destroyed the good that he did.

Martin Luther King would be thrilled to death with black President Barack Obama

and for the record. obama is half white, half black arab-----------he is NOT an african american.

Where was his father from.

he was from the african continent. The same continent that contains Egypt, Libya, Somalia, and many other muslim nations. He was a black arab, not an african negro.

Kenya is not africa now?

You are confusing Muslim with African. You can be both
Kenyans are not arabs

 

[rightwinger]

It's a stunning memorial on the National Mall. I hope to be able to visit it someday soon.

I visited two years ago. I like how he is emerging from the mountain but he seems to be scowling and overweight

Reading the quotes as you walk through is very inspirational. Quite a man

 

[reconmark]

Well considering how long it took to end slavery - and how long Jim Crow was in effect - I think 10 years sounds unrealistically optimistic.

by 40 years or so - at least.

Where would the impetus for change have come from?

human nature, Christian beliefs, the general goodness of human beings, the constitution, the bill of rights, churches, common sense.

Yeah, those things worked pretty good for white people...oh,oh wait!!!
You are pretending those things protected the Slaves on the Plantations and the Black people that were forced to endure segregation and Jim Crow???...stop playing, you're funny.

 

[rightwinger]

Well considering how long it took to end slavery - and how long Jim Crow was in effect - I think 10 years sounds unrealistically optimistic.

by 40 years or so - at least.

Where would the impetus for change have come from?

human nature, Christian beliefs, the general goodness of human beings, the constitution, the bill of rights, churches, common sense.

Yeah, those things worked pretty good for white people...oh,oh wait!!!
You are pretending those things protected the Slaves on the Plantations and the Black people that were forced to endure segregation and Jim Crow???...stop playing, you're funny.

Christian beliefs were used to justify slavery as plantation owners quoted how they should serve their masters. They were also used to justify separation of the races

 

[reconmark]

Had he not their would be continual violence, retribution and domestic terrorism in the streets.

Although I agree with the bulk of your post and admire MLK - the fact that we have "continual violence, retribution and domestic terrorism in the streets" does not add well to your case . If you believe that there is not domestic terrorism in the streets try walking through Bedford Stuyvestant in NY or Ferguson in Missouri - Regardless of what race you are. Try walking through a neighborhood run by the Bloods or Latin Kings .... or a no-go zone such as in Dearborn Michigan where only Moslems are allowed .....

I have worked in Dearborn and been treated very respectfully and I know quite a few none Muslims that live in Dearborn with no problem.
Ferguson and Missouri are in part the result of individuals frustrated with the treatment of people at the hands of Law enforcement.
MLK prevented incidents like this from occurring daily in every major city with 100 times the number of people both good and bad venting their frustrations.

 

[Redfish]

Your buddy Rush Limbaugh refers to him as a "Halfrican."

The insistence of these racists in reminding us that President Obama is half white is laughable

A half white Obama would have beed forced to ride in the back of the bus, would have had his voting rights restricted, couldn't eat in restaurants or stayed in public hotels.....

He would not be allowed to drink from white water fountains half the time

Dr King put an end to that

none of those things happened to obama. he was raised in hawaii and indonesia, smoked pot, loafed around, and tried to look cool.

King did not put an end to those things, the civil rights act of 1965 did, and it was passed by republicans in spite of democrat fillibusters.

There would have been no Civil Rights act of 1965 without King

That is simply not true. The country was changing, King was part of it, but he was not the only one by a long shot. It would have happened without him.

This thread is about the claim of the OP than MLK saved the country. That is a bullshit premise and completely illogical.

That is total bullshit and King knew it. He had heard enough of the "Be patient, things will change in their own due time"

They didn't change for 100 years after the 13th amendment

WWII ended in 1945. That was the promise of when civil rights would change. We are in the middle of a war, it would be patriotic of blacks to not push civil rights. Blacks waited, they fought for their country only to come back and find Jim Crow in full force

your view of history is very biased by your politcal orientation. But you are free to believe whatever you choose, no matter how foolish.

MLK was a great man, but he did not save the USA. That is a ridiculous statement.

 

[Redfish]

MLK did good things for the country and race relations, so did JFK. But neither of them saved the country.

The problem is that we no longer have any MLKs or JFKs. The message of MLK has been corrupted by race baiters and shit stirrers like Sharpton, Jackson, Farrakhan, and Obama. Those 4 people have undone the good done by MLK and JFK. Those 4 people are personally responsible for the current state or race relations in this country. MLK is turning over in his grave at how the so-called black leaders of today have destroyed the good that he did.

Martin Luther King would be thrilled to death with black President Barack Obama

and for the record. obama is half white, half black arab-----------he is NOT an african american.

Where was his father from.

he was from the african continent. The same continent that contains Egypt, Libya, Somalia, and many other muslim nations. He was a black arab, not an african negro.

Kenya is not africa now?

You are confusing Muslim with African. You can be both
Kenyans are not arabs

Is Hussein an arab (muslim) name or an african name? Yes, you can be african and muslim, exactly my point.

 

[rightwinger]

The insistence of these racists in reminding us that President Obama is half white is laughable

A half white Obama would have beed forced to ride in the back of the bus, would have had his voting rights restricted, couldn't eat in restaurants or stayed in public hotels.....

He would not be allowed to drink from white water fountains half the time

Dr King put an end to that

none of those things happened to obama. he was raised in hawaii and indonesia, smoked pot, loafed around, and tried to look cool.

King did not put an end to those things, the civil rights act of 1965 did, and it was passed by republicans in spite of democrat fillibusters.

There would have been no Civil Rights act of 1965 without King

That is simply not true. The country was changing, King was part of it, but he was not the only one by a long shot. It would have happened without him.

This thread is about the claim of the OP than MLK saved the country. That is a bullshit premise and completely illogical.

That is total bullshit and King knew it. He had heard enough of the "Be patient, things will change in their own due time"

They didn't change for 100 years after the 13th amendment

WWII ended in 1945. That was the promise of when civil rights would change. We are in the middle of a war, it would be patriotic of blacks to not push civil rights. Blacks waited, they fought for their country only to come back and find Jim Crow in full force

your view of history is very biased by your politcal orientation. But you are free to believe whatever you choose, no matter how foolish.

MLK was a great man, but he did not save the USA. That is a ridiculous statement.

The extreme violence with which southern whites responded to Civil Rights is more than enough evidence that they were not ready to do it on their own

 

[Redfish]

Well considering how long it took to end slavery - and how long Jim Crow was in effect - I think 10 years sounds unrealistically optimistic.

by 40 years or so - at least.

Where would the impetus for change have come from?

human nature, Christian beliefs, the general goodness of human beings, the constitution, the bill of rights, churches, common sense.

Yeah, those things worked pretty good for white people...oh,oh wait!!!
You are pretending those things protected the Slaves on the Plantations and the Black people that were forced to endure segregation and Jim Crow???...stop playing, you're funny.

Christian beliefs were used to justify slavery as plantation owners quoted how they should serve their masters. They were also used to justify separation of the races

nope, that was a misinterpretation of Christian beliefs and teachings. Jesus did not condone slavery.

But we get it, we understand that you must revise history and religion in order to support your liberal agenda.

 

[deltex1]

I grew up in the 60's and saw most of the Civil Rights movement. Like most Americans, I was outraged at the assasination of Dr King. When we talked about giving him a national holiday ten years later, I looked at it as a form of appeasement for outraged blacks.....a way of giving them their own holiday to quiet them down.

In reading about the Civil Rights movement in subsequent years, I realized what a great American Dr King was. Black Americans came back after WWII to find that despite fighting and dying in defense of their country, they were still treated like lesser Americans. They found they were not allowed to mingle with whites, were not welcome in much of the country they had fought for. Blacks were considered to be dirty, diseased and sub human. Some whites were outraged at the thought of eating with blacks, using the same restrooms, riding on public transportation with them.

As black Americans began to protest their treatment in their own country they were met with harsh resistance from both white militants and governments who swore to support inequal treatment. Blacks were denied the right to vote, to freely associate, rights to a fair trial. Those who resisted were met with terrorist attacks. Lynchings, bombings, arrest and assasination of their leaders.

Most of us faced with such horrific treatment in our own homeland would fight violence with violence. How would you react if someone spat on your child for trying to go to school?

When the courts did not protect blacks, armed conflict would seem a reasonable response. Dr King knew violence would only result in more violence against you. He modeled the Civil Rights movement around Gandhis peaceful resistance theories. By using cameras to document the treatment of peaceful protestors he saved this country from an armed violent protest that would have destroyed this country.


America returned from WWII as an economic and military superpower. But a country that does not treat its citizens with respect is not a moral superpower. By changing the way we treat our citizens, Dr King, more importantly, saved our soul. By forcing us to look in a mirror and see who we really are, he enabled us to become a truly great country.

On this Martin Luther King day I hope everyone can reflect on what a great American he was and how much better off we all are

He saved some in this country...those that listened to him. Others chose to hip hop with their pants around their ankles and their dicks in every dumb woman that would allow it....and so you have Ferguson, Detroit, Oakland, La, nyc, Boston and a few other areas of libtardville that remain "oppressed " by whitey.

 

[Redfish]

none of those things happened to obama. he was raised in hawaii and indonesia, smoked pot, loafed around, and tried to look cool.

King did not put an end to those things, the civil rights act of 1965 did, and it was passed by republicans in spite of democrat fillibusters.

There would have been no Civil Rights act of 1965 without King

That is simply not true. The country was changing, King was part of it, but he was not the only one by a long shot. It would have happened without him.

This thread is about the claim of the OP than MLK saved the country. That is a bullshit premise and completely illogical.

That is total bullshit and King knew it. He had heard enough of the "Be patient, things will change in their own due time"

They didn't change for 100 years after the 13th amendment

WWII ended in 1945. That was the promise of when civil rights would change. We are in the middle of a war, it would be patriotic of blacks to not push civil rights. Blacks waited, they fought for their country only to come back and find Jim Crow in full force

your view of history is very biased by your politcal orientation. But you are free to believe whatever you choose, no matter how foolish.

MLK was a great man, but he did not save the USA. That is a ridiculous statement.

The extreme violence with which southern whites responded to Civil Rights is more than enough evidence that they were not ready to do it on their own

some did (like Robert KKK Byrd, democrat,and Al Gore Sr, democrat) but the majority did not partake in or condone violence.