Durham/Mueller Reports: Valuable Bookends

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Sit down. Listen here:

Episode 121 - I Misplaced My "Whistleblower" 2023-05-17

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Most right wing talking points require an ignorant audience.

Says the cult member of the democrat cult

 

[OKTexas]

Or......the Durham's allegations were dogshit.

Look at Sussmann's charges. Sussmann made no false statement to anyone. Durham charged him because he claims Sussman didn't disclose to the FBI that his firm did work for Hillary Clinton.

But this was no secret. It was common knowledge that Sussman's firm worked for Clinton. Even the agent admitted he already knew. Durham tried to charge Sussmann with a felony for supposedly 'witholding' information that was common knowledge and everybody knew. And there were FBI Emails to confirm it.

It took the jury 6 hours to laugh Durham's dogshit allegations out of the court room.

Compare that to say....Mueller's legal case against Manafort, with conviction of 8 felonies.

Yeah, with the Mueller team little technicalities like statutes of limitations were meaningless, especially when you can get activist judges to wave them. Oh, and there was no legal predication for investigations into to Trump or any of his people. And don't get me started on Clinesmith, he should be doing 20 years for falsifying evidence presented to a FISA court.

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[Skylar]

Yeah, with the Mueller team little technicalities like statutes of limitations were meaningless, especially when you can get activist judges to wave them. Oh, and there was no legal predication for investigations into to Trump or any of his people. And don't get me started on Clinesmith, he should be doing 20 years for falsifying evidence presented to a FISA court.

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Clinesmith wasn't even the result of Durham's investigation. That came from an IG investigation.

So the actual criminal activity found by Durham over 4 years and 6 million dollars......

.....was absolutely nothing.

While Mueller found MASSIVE criminal activity when investigating Trump. And did it in half the time.

 

[Lakhota]

The release of the Durham report provides a helpful bookend to the Mueller report, a reminder that two opposing things can exist simultaneously in the universe, and yet another example of how America would benefit if both ends of the spectrum would clean their own fucking house instead of just pointing the finger:

Durham says the FBI essentially engaged in confirmation bias, especially on stories like the Carter Paige FISA request and the Steele Dossier. They went too hard, too fast and too far with available information, and that plays right into the hands of the GQP's ongoing rage against any government agency (unless that agency does something they like, of course, like Comey causing Hillary great harm right before the 2016 elections). So the Durham report is a gift to the GQP and keeps that whole conspiracy culture running at full speed. Way to go, FBI, it looks like you were pretty biased, and that looks like shit. This kind of thing has to fixed and stopped, now.

AT THE SAME TIME, the Mueller report manifested in indictments of +/- 30 people, including REAL RUSSIAN OPERATIVES, securing REAL CONVICTIONS of several Trump associates, from George Papadopolous to Paul Manafort to Mike Flynn to Rick Gates. So clearly there was communication between the Trump campaign and the Russians, and we know that the campaign was asking for Russian assistance on getting dirt on Hillary. Was their actual collusion, where plans were made and carried out? Mueller could not prove that, although he did say that a pursuit of Trump obstruction by Congress would be appropriate.

The final score on this? Yes, the GQP is correct that there was (and maybe is) bias at the FBI, and that makes it perfectly fair to wonder if that's just the tip of the iceberg. And yes, Trump and his campaign leaned on one of our two most dangerous adversaries for help in 2016. This cuts across our entire political spectrum, and denying/ignoring that only makes things worse.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/18/politics/mueller-report-findings/index.html

Factbox: People indicted, convicted, investigated in Trump-Russia probe

U.S. President Donald Trump's former campaign chairman Paul Manafort agreed to cooperate with Special Counsel Robert Mueller's investigation of Russian meddling in the 2016 U.S. election as part of a plea deal, prosecutors said on Friday.

www.reuters.com

Nonsense! It should be a crime to use Durham and Mueller in the same sentence! Durham is a joke! His report is a joke! He is twisting reality like a pretzel - like Barr did on the Mueller report.

 

[OKTexas]

Or why did he not put in his report they committed those crimes at a minimum?

I'm sure he will be answering those questions in the judiciary committee. After all he did document those crimes in his report.

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[marvin martian]

The release of the Durham report provides a helpful bookend to the Mueller report, a reminder that two opposing things can exist simultaneously in the universe, and yet another example of how America would benefit if both ends of the spectrum would clean their own fucking house instead of just pointing the finger:

Durham says the FBI essentially engaged in confirmation bias, especially on stories like the Carter Paige FISA request and the Steele Dossier. They went too hard, too fast and too far with available information, and that plays right into the hands of the GQP's ongoing rage against any government agency (unless that agency does something they like, of course, like Comey causing Hillary great harm right before the 2016 elections). So the Durham report is a gift to the GQP and keeps that whole conspiracy culture running at full speed. Way to go, FBI, it looks like you were pretty biased, and that looks like shit. This kind of thing has to fixed and stopped, now.

AT THE SAME TIME, the Mueller report manifested in indictments of +/- 30 people, including REAL RUSSIAN OPERATIVES, securing REAL CONVICTIONS of several Trump associates, from George Papadopolous to Paul Manafort to Mike Flynn to Rick Gates. So clearly there was communication between the Trump campaign and the Russians, and we know that the campaign was asking for Russian assistance on getting dirt on Hillary. Was their actual collusion, where plans were made and carried out? Mueller could not prove that, although he did say that a pursuit of Trump obstruction by Congress would be appropriate.

The final score on this? Yes, the GQP is correct that there was (and maybe is) bias at the FBI, and that makes it perfectly fair to wonder if that's just the tip of the iceberg. And yes, Trump and his campaign leaned on one of our two most dangerous adversaries for help in 2016. This cuts across our entire political spectrum, and denying/ignoring that only makes things worse.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/18/politics/mueller-report-findings/index.html

Factbox: People indicted, convicted, investigated in Trump-Russia probe

U.S. President Donald Trump's former campaign chairman Paul Manafort agreed to cooperate with Special Counsel Robert Mueller's investigation of Russian meddling in the 2016 U.S. election as part of a plea deal, prosecutors said on Friday.

www.reuters.com

You voted for one end of that spectrum, so really this is your fault, right?

 

[OKTexas]

The obvious answer being?

He outlined actions of several individuals that were criminal in nature, you tell me why he didn't follow through. I'm at a loss, well other than he knew he couldn't get justice in a DC court.

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[elektra]

Odd isn't it, not even the Repubs are talking about it at all.

Makes me think it is a much wider problem and they do not want to start that ball rolling.

I Must agree, I am sure there are a lot of republicans that are as crooked, just as there has to be some democrats that dont agree with what has happened but go along because of the power of the elite lifelong politicians

 

[berg80]

Way to go, FBI, it looks like you were pretty biased

But it wasn't according to the IG report on the investigation. With respect to Durham, he had his own issues with bias.

Durham aide quits amid pressure on Russiagate probe

Veteran prosecutor Nora Dannehy had been drafted to help investigate the origins of the inquiry into the 2016 Trump campaign.

www.politico.com

 

[berg80]

The release of the Durham report provides a helpful bookend to the Mueller report, a reminder that two opposing things can exist simultaneously in the universe, and yet another example of how America would benefit if both ends of the spectrum would clean their own fucking house instead of just pointing the finger:

Durham says the FBI essentially engaged in confirmation bias, especially on stories like the Carter Paige FISA request and the Steele Dossier. They went too hard, too fast and too far with available information, and that plays right into the hands of the GQP's ongoing rage against any government agency (unless that agency does something they like, of course, like Comey causing Hillary great harm right before the 2016 elections). So the Durham report is a gift to the GQP and keeps that whole conspiracy culture running at full speed. Way to go, FBI, it looks like you were pretty biased, and that looks like shit. This kind of thing has to fixed and stopped, now.

AT THE SAME TIME, the Mueller report manifested in indictments of +/- 30 people, including REAL RUSSIAN OPERATIVES, securing REAL CONVICTIONS of several Trump associates, from George Papadopolous to Paul Manafort to Mike Flynn to Rick Gates. So clearly there was communication between the Trump campaign and the Russians, and we know that the campaign was asking for Russian assistance on getting dirt on Hillary. Was their actual collusion, where plans were made and carried out? Mueller could not prove that, although he did say that a pursuit of Trump obstruction by Congress would be appropriate.

The final score on this? Yes, the GQP is correct that there was (and maybe is) bias at the FBI, and that makes it perfectly fair to wonder if that's just the tip of the iceberg. And yes, Trump and his campaign leaned on one of our two most dangerous adversaries for help in 2016. This cuts across our entire political spectrum, and denying/ignoring that only makes things worse.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/18/politics/mueller-report-findings/index.html

Factbox: People indicted, convicted, investigated in Trump-Russia probe

U.S. President Donald Trump's former campaign chairman Paul Manafort agreed to cooperate with Special Counsel Robert Mueller's investigation of Russian meddling in the 2016 U.S. election as part of a plea deal, prosecutors said on Friday.

www.reuters.com

Mueller's job having been made much harder due to the lack of willingness to cooperate by key witnesses (especially Stone who was the one communicating with Assange) who had already been given the message from Trump that loyalty to him would be rewarded with a pardon.

 

[Skylar]

Mueller's job having been made much harder due to the lack of willingness to cooperate by key witnesses (especially Stone who was the one communicating with Assange) who had already been given the message from Trump that loyalty to him would be rewarded with a pardon.

And was.

Which, of course, is wildly corrupt.

 

[BluesLegend]

Trump has been 100% vindicated, suck it Dems. The next time you cry wolf the American people will laugh.

 

[Skylar]

Trump has been 100% vindicated, suck it Dems. The next time you cry wolf the American people will laugh.

The 34 indictments say otherwise. As for crying wolf, y'all are still snivelling about your 2020 election lost.

All while Durham failed to uncover any criminal activity. The lone plea he settled for community service was from an IG investigation.

Meaning that Durham spent 6 million dollars and took 4 years to find NO crimes.

 

[BluesLegend]

The 34 indictments say otherwise. As for crying wolf, y'all are still snivelling about your 2020 election lost.

All while Durham failed to uncover any criminal activity. The lone plea he settled for community service was from an IG investigation.

Meaning that Durham spent 6 million dollars and took 4 years to find NO crimes.

Try to stay on topic dummy. Suck the Durham report!

 

[Skylar]

Try to stay on topic dummy. Suck the Durham report!

Laughing...yeah, I only mentioned Durham and his failure to find any crimes twice in a 3 line post.

Keep those eyes screwed shut. With Durham having spent 4 YEARS and 6 million to find no crime at all.......I can see why you're avoiding the topic like it were on fire.

And nothing says '100% vindicated' like 34 felony indictments.

 

[gipper]

The telling take away is that Durham doesn't actually claim crimes were committed in his report.

You do.

So you think a government spying on an opposing candidate’s campaign based on lies is legal. I don’t. You may want to live in an authoritarian police state, but I don’t.

 

[Skylar]

So you think a government spying on an opposing candidate’s campaign based on lies is legal. I don’t. You may want to live in an authoritarian police state, but I don’t.

Can you show me anywhere where Durham accuses anyone of violating any specific law in the Durham report?

Even his one plea deal for community service was from the IG investigation. Durham, with 4 years and 6 million dollars.....found no crime.

 

[gipper]

Can you show me anywhere where Durham accuses anyone of violating any specific law in the Durham report?

Even his one plea deal for community service was from the IG investigation. Durham, with 4 years and 6 million dollars.....found no crime.

Doesn’t matter. The report clearly states the FBI spied based on nothing. It was pure partisanship because they wanted Hillary and not Trump. You may be fine with the FBI doing this shit, but intelligent people aren’t.

 

[Skylar]

Doesn’t matter. The report clearly states the FBI spied based on nothing. It was pure partisanship because they wanted Hillary and not Trump. You may be fine with the FBI doing this shit, but intelligent people aren’t.

Sure it does. Durham had full authority to prosecute Obama, Clinton, Brennan, Comey, anyone but Joe Biden, if he found crimes had been committed.

Not only did Durham NOT indict any of them for any of the supposed 'crimes' you're alleging, he made no such recommendations of charges, referred nothing to the Justice Department, nor cited the violation of any specific law related to those allegations.

You're not citing the Durham report on crimes. You're citing YOURSELF as a legal authority. And offering us your interpretation of the Durham report, despite Durham himself saying no such thing.

Durham was given that mandate, not you. And he found such criminal activity.