'Ebola Doctor' in US hospital now

[Delta4Embassy]

Just showed a short clip on Fox News about the infected doctor in biohazard suit being led by another in a suit into the hospital. What struck me about that video was how the escort's suit had a air tank system, but the infected doctor's didn't. So the precautionary measures for staff is to breathe their own safe air, but infected patients are breathing regular open air? And their exhalations are going into the enviroment? That doesn't sound like isolation to me.

 

[Delta4Embassy]

Video on Fox was from an overhead helicopter shot which was easier to see, but this one shows the infected doctor's lack of an air system too.

American aid worker stricken with Ebola now in U.S. hospital, video shows him walking - NY Daily News

 

[WinterBorn]

How many biohazard suits would you expect them to have?

One with air tanks and completely sealed, one sealed but only a filter for the air, one with open air but with coverage, scrubs that cover more, and a set of scrubs?

If they are sent to handle containment on a biohazard, the staff wear the completely contained suits, even when they don't know what it is.

 

[Delta4Embassy]

Would expect the sick guy's to have its own air supply so he's not breathing out his virus into the open air like.

Government's trying to reassure the public ebola patients are safe on US soil. This doesn't strike me as how best to allay fears.

 

[WinterBorn]

Would expect the sick guy's to have its own air supply so he's not breathing out his virus into the open air like.

Government's trying to reassure the public ebola patients are safe on US soil. This doesn't strike me as how best to allay fears.

As far as I know, the Ebola virus they are dealing with is not airborne. It is certainly not contagious at a distance. And everyone near him when he is out of isolation, was wearing a suit.

I have a few friends who work at the CDC (one is on her way to Liberia). They say that every reasonable precaution is being taken and that things are fine. It is a serious medical issue, but not a reason to panic about an epidemic.

 

[Delta4Embassy]

CNN is showing the video as well now. Note the aide with the air tank is assisting the infected patient, while a nearby aide without their own air takes steps backwards from the infected patient not having their own air supply. I find that curious if it isn't airborne.

Even if for the sake of arguement it isn't airborne (as seems true) you'd think something with no cure or even treatment would max out on safety precautions. Why risk it?

 

[Pennywise]

Would expect the sick guy's to have its own air supply so he's not breathing out his virus into the open air like.

Government's trying to reassure the public ebola patients are safe on US soil. This doesn't strike me as how best to allay fears.

As far as I know, the Ebola virus they are dealing with is not airborne. It is certainly not contagious at a distance. And everyone near him when he is out of isolation, was wearing a suit.

I have a few friends who work at the CDC (one is on her way to Liberia). They say that every reasonable precaution is being taken and that things are fine. It is a serious medical issue, but not a reason to panic about an epidemic.

I can tell by your picture that you are at least as old as I am, and I can say at this stage in my life, I would not trust our government nor our media to be telling me the truth if they said the sun rises in the east.

I'm not in panic mode, not by a long shot. But this story stinks on high.

 

[Zander]

Fear., especially irrational fear, sells newspapers. Ebola! Blulololoooluloooooolloooo!

 

[Delta4Embassy]

I'm not panicing either (being hell and gone from Georgia.) But as a matter of allaying public fears, I'd have expected better precautions to be in place.

Watching and listening to CNN's coverage, I'm kinda shocked to hear to hear the infected doctor's mention of praying and asking for prayers. My concern then is was he in god-mode where he got infected trusting that his faith (with or without 'magic underwear' if applicabale) would adequately protect him?

Looking into the aide organization,

Samaritan's Purse - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It's a 'Christian evangelist' organization started by Bill Graham (who draws a salary from it.) Graham's politically involved to say the least. Was political favortism involved getting their doc back into the US? Would a Mexican national with Ebola have been brought directly in? Gotta agree with Penny', this is beginnning to stink.

 

[Zander]

Ebola does not transmit through breath....it requires contact with blood or bodily secretions.

Transmission | Ebola Hemorrhagic Fever | CDC

 

[theDoctorisIn]

It's like clockwork - every couple of years, everyone in the country loses their shit about some "new" disease.

Bird Flu, Swine Flu, SARS, West Nile Virus, St. Louis Encephalitis, and so on and on.

As Zander pointed out already - panic sells newspapers.

 

[Delta4Embassy]

Should read the BBC News article. It CAN be transmissable through open-air. Just isn't it's normal mechanism for transmission.

Besides, they know comparatively little about it since no one's tried coming up with a vaccine or cure since it's relatively rare. It's kinda in the same position as HIV was in the beginning of its' discovery - only poor black (read, 'undesireables' like gays) get.

They say it isn't airborne now. Who knows what they'll say next week after the big 'oops' event. They swore up and down HIV was a gay worry only.

Oops.

 

[Zander]

Should read the BBC News article. It CAN be transmissable through open-air. Just isn't it's normal mechanism for transmission.

Besides, they know comparatively little about it since no one's tried coming up with a vaccine or cure since it's relatively rare. It's kinda in the same position as HIV was in the beginning of its' discovery - only poor black (read, 'undesireables' like gays) get.

They say it isn't airborne now. Who knows what they'll say next week after the big 'oops' event. They swore up and down HIV was a gay worry only.

Oops.

Like I said, fear sells newspapers......I'm not buying. Ebola is the pandemic du jour....

 

[Delta4Embassy]

Should read the BBC News article. It CAN be transmissable through open-air. Just isn't it's normal mechanism for transmission.

Besides, they know comparatively little about it since no one's tried coming up with a vaccine or cure since it's relatively rare. It's kinda in the same position as HIV was in the beginning of its' discovery - only poor black (read, 'undesireables' like gays) get.

They say it isn't airborne now. Who knows what they'll say next week after the big 'oops' event. They swore up and down HIV was a gay worry only.

Oops.

Like I said, fear sells newspapers......I'm not buying. Ebola is the pandemic du jour....

You got me, I'm a producer for "Doomsday Preppers" hoping to spark a new episode Kidding.

 

[Peach]

Should read the BBC News article. It CAN be transmissable through open-air. Just isn't it's normal mechanism for transmission.

Besides, they know comparatively little about it since no one's tried coming up with a vaccine or cure since it's relatively rare. It's kinda in the same position as HIV was in the beginning of its' discovery - only poor black (read, 'undesireables' like gays) get.

They say it isn't airborne now. Who knows what they'll say next week after the big 'oops' event. They swore up and down HIV was a gay worry only.

Oops.

Like I said, fear sells newspapers......I'm not buying. Ebola is the pandemic du jour....

Thank you, I agree 100%.

 

[Bush92]

Fuck this idiot. Stay out of Africa...it's a cesspool of disease. Why are we helping people that will vote against U.S. interest in the UN? Let God sort em out.

 

[Peach]

Should read the BBC News article. It CAN be transmissable through open-air. Just isn't it's normal mechanism for transmission.

Besides, they know comparatively little about it since no one's tried coming up with a vaccine or cure since it's relatively rare. It's kinda in the same position as HIV was in the beginning of its' discovery - only poor black (read, 'undesireables' like gays) get.

They say it isn't airborne now. Who knows what they'll say next week after the big 'oops' event. They swore up and down HIV was a gay worry only.

Oops.

Ebola Reston MAY have been transmitted through air, Reston is asymptomatic in humans:

Ebola-Reston appeared in a primate research facility in Virginia, where it may have been transmitted from monkey to monkey through the air. While all Ebola virus species have displayed the ability to be spread through airborne particles
(aerosols) under research conditions, this type of spread has not been documented among humans in a real-world setting, such as a hospital or household.

http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/dvrd/spb/mnpages/dispages/Fact_Sheets/Ebola_Fact_Booklet.pdf

As it IS known the virus requires moisture to survive, open air transmission is not a concern with the four known types that produce symptons & death in humans, unless there is a new mutation. And no, one cannot contract the virus by touching a doorknob, the same panic crapola was spread about AIDS 25-30 years ago.

What should be a concern is the high probabilty Ebola exists in the USA, in climates similar to those nations that have had outbreaks. Also, safari "hunters" that travel to Africa, kill animals that are weak, and easily led, so humans with more money than skills can shoot them. The incubation period is long, the various strains, though not easily transmitted, are virulent once a human is infected. Spread by air TRAVEL is not transmission by air:

http://www.aol.com/article/2014/07/26/nigeria-death-shows-ebola-can-spread-by-air-travel/20937415/

 

[Katzndogz]

Can the government be trusted to tell the truth about ebola? About anything?

No.

 

[Peach]

The BBC on Ebola:

The disease infects humans through close contact with infected animals, including chimpanzees, fruit bats and forest antelope.

It then spreads between humans by direct contact with infected blood, bodily fluids or organs, or indirectly through contact with contaminated environments. Even funerals of Ebola victims can be a risk, if mourners have direct contact with the body of the deceased.

BBC News - Why Ebola is so dangerous

WHO on Ebola:

Genus Ebolavirus is 1 of 3 members of the Filoviridae family (filovirus), along with genus Marburgvirus and genus Cuevavirus. Genus Ebolavirus comprises 5 distinct species:

Bundibugyo ebolavirus (BDBV)
Zaire ebolavirus (EBOV)
Reston ebolavirus (RESTV)
Sudan ebolavirus (SUDV)
Taï Forest ebolavirus (TAFV).
BDBV, EBOV, and SUDV have been associated with large EVD outbreaks in Africa, whereas RESTV and TAFV have not. The RESTV species, found in Philippines and the People’s Republic of China, can infect humans, but no illness or death in humans from this species has been reported to date.

Transmission

Ebola is introduced into the human population through close contact with the blood, secretions, organs or other bodily fluids of infected animals. In Africa, infection has been documented through the handling of infected chimpanzees, gorillas, fruit bats, monkeys, forest antelope and porcupines found ill or dead or in the rainforest.

Ebola then spreads in the community through human-to-human transmission, with infection resulting from direct contact (through broken skin or mucous membranes) with the blood, secretions, organs or other bodily fluids of infected people, and indirect contact with environments contaminated with such fluids. Burial ceremonies in which mourners have direct contact with the body of the deceased person can also play a role in the transmission of Ebola. Men who have recovered from the disease can still transmit the virus through their semen for up to 7 weeks after recovery from illness.

Health-care workers have frequently been infected while treating patients with suspected or confirmed EVD. This has occurred through close contact with patients when infection control precautions are not strictly practiced.

Among workers in contact with monkeys or pigs infected with Reston ebolavirus, several infections have been documented in people who were clinically asymptomatic. Thus, RESTV appears less capable of causing disease in humans than other Ebola species.

 

[R.C. Christian]

It's not exactly true that this Zaire strain cannot become airborne.