Elizabeth Warren: 'End Electoral College'

[Ray From Cleveland]

The lefts push for the popular vote over the electoral college is because then California would pretty much decide every Presidential election and it being a rock solid blue state would give the Democrats a huge advantage. In turn they would be able to keep the Supreme Court liberal as well as the lower courts with that they could get pretty much anything they passed upheld against legal challenges and anything they opposed shot down in the courts. Basically this would give us one party rule and you would have about half the country having no real say or influence in what happens look through history to see what that tends to lead to.

A single party government is what the Democrats are after, that's why they've become the anti-white party.

New York city has a population larger than our four least populated states. Why should one city have more power than four states? That's why the EC is needed, because a President is not just the leader of the people, he is also leader of the land.

Democrats can't win every election playing by the rules of the game. But instead of changing their party, they want to change the rules of the game so they always win. Popular vote, illegals voting, lowering the voting age to 16 because most kids don't care about politics and have no idea what they are voting on, ex-cons and prisoners voting........

 

[Cecilie1200]

As the OP states: "Trump is the fifth United States president to have taken office without winning the national popular vote."

Here are the FIVE presidents who did not win the national popular vote:

Historical rankings of presidents of the United States

• John Quincy Adams 21
• Rutherford B. Hayes 25
• Benjamin Harrison 31
• George W. Bush 33
• Donald Trump 44

Historical rankings of presidents of the United States - Wikipedia

United States presidential elections in which the winner lost the popular vote - Wikipedia

What about the historical rankings of drunken losers who lost the Electoral College?

Why would history want to remember THEM? Hell, we keep trying to forget the last one, but she won't go away.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

We’ve outgrown the EC.

Look at what we have now . A handful of swing states get all the attention while 80% of the country is basically ignored .

Lol
With pure popular vote Rural America would be completely ignored

Why should some hillbilly have more of a vote?

Why should some hillbilly have two Senators when he lives in a state with a fifth of California's population and they only get two Senators as well?

 

[Wry Catcher]

Well there seems to be the drumbeat of that again...

Getting rid of electoral college means rural America might as well not even vote, They would lose every single election.

States like California or Florida Texas and New York would dominate everything in this country…

There is a reason why they call this a republic not a shit eating democracy...

Apparently you've never taken, or passed, a civics course. Sad.

We are a democratic republic.

Q. Which means we elect our representatives by popular vote; why not the President?

A. The Reason for the Electoral College - FactCheck.org

Notice the States have the ability to proportion the vote of the EC by the Popular Vote:

See:

"As the 2000 election reminded us, the Electoral College does make it possible for a candidate to win the popular vote and still not become president. But that is less a product of the Electoral College and more a product of the way states apportion electors. In every state but Maine and Nebraska, electors are awarded on a winner-take-all basis. So if a candidate wins a state by even a narrow margin, he or she wins all of the state’s electoral votes. The winner-take-all system is not federally mandated; states are free to allocate their electoral votes as they wish."

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Uh-huh....You'd be singing a different tune if Hillary had won.
Stop being a hypocrite, it's bad enough with psycho-boy in office:

And you would be singing the same tune if Republicans dominated the most populated areas?

If immigrants were known to vote Republican, the Democrats would have had a double wall up at the border many years ago and being here illegally would have a five year minimum prison sentence.

 

[kyzr]

#1) Deport all illegals

#2) Build the wall

#3) Balance the Budget

#4) Do 1-3 and we can abolish the EC.

All those things are orthogonal with each other.

Vermont and RI have very similar ratios of voters per EC vote. So stop whining.
The Electoral College isn't going anywhere because the States elect the president.

 

[Staidhup]

The only saving grace this country has as a united country is the preservation of the electoral college. The founding fathers understood the concept of equal representation versus repressive mob rule which is what will result, just prior to the division of the country. Got news for ya bud California would go bankrupt, along with most of the NE.

 

[Pogo]

#1) Deport all illegals

#2) Build the wall

#3) Balance the Budget

#4) Do 1-3 and we can abolish the EC.

All those things are orthogonal with each other.

Vermont and RI have very similar ratios of voters per EC vote. So stop whining.
The Electoral College isn't going anywhere because the States elect the president.

Completely Circular Reasoning ^^

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

#1) Deport all illegals

#2) Build the wall

#3) Balance the Budget

#4) Do 1-3 and we can abolish the EC.

All those things are orthogonal with each other.

Vermont and RI have very similar ratios of voters per EC vote. So stop whining.
The Electoral College isn't going anywhere because the States elect the president.

Completely Circular Reasoning ^^

Pigo, why do we have states?

 

[candycorn]

Well there seems to be the drumbeat of that again...

Getting rid of electoral college means rural America might as well not even vote, They would lose every single election.

States like California or Florida Texas and New York would dominate everything in this country…

There is a reason why they call this a republic not a shit eating democracy...

We’ll leave the shit-eating to the Trump fans; he deals the bullshit and you guys eat it up.

As for the EC; it was one of our framer’s best ideas. It needs to be strengthened to include the popular vote. Short of that or increasing it to 2/3 of the electors…it’s far more preferable to the straight popular vote. The democrats are pushing the “stupid” button once more.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Uh-huh....You'd be singing a different tune if Hillary had won.
Stop being a hypocrite, it's bad enough with psycho-boy in office:

And you would be singing the same tune if Republicans dominated the most populated areas?

If immigrants were known to vote Republican, the Democrats would have had a double wall up at the border many years ago and being here illegally would have a five year minimum prison sentence.

Is this ^^^ observation written in the Revised History of Past Events that Might Have Occurred; Published by the Ministry of Truth?

Your first sentence is hysterically funny.

 

[RDD_1210]

Republicans don't want the presidential election decided by popular vote because their ideas aren't popular.

Suppressing what the people want is the only way Republicans can maintain power.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Well there seems to be the drumbeat of that again...

Getting rid of electoral college means rural America might as well not even vote, They would lose every single election.

States like California or Florida Texas and New York would dominate everything in this country…

There is a reason why they call this a republic not a shit eating democracy...

Uh-huh....You'd be singing a different tune if Hillary had won.
Stop being a hypocrite, it's bad enough with psycho-boy in office:



Donald J. Trump
✔@realDonaldTrump

The electoral college is a disaster for a democracy.

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LOL! Love making you Trumpanzees look like the idiots you are.
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Point to the post where Rustic EVER agreed with that post by Trump. I dare you.

Then LIE to us and tell us you don't agree with that post by Trump.

The only person looking stupid here is YOU

 

[toobfreak]

Explanation is the kryptonite to Doublethink.

From the guy who never explains anything.

 

[toobfreak]

Completely Circular Reasoning ^^

From the guy who is an expert in making circular arguments all the time.

 

[toobfreak]

Majority rule and mob rule are synonyms. The fact that a majority feels the same way you do doesn't give you the right to impose anything on the minority.

Mob majority rule: We like your house so we're just going to take it. You were voted down 10:1.

Then along came the Founders who wisely created a Constitutional Republic governed by a Rule of Law. The LAWS decide, not the mob. That way, ALL would have a say in things, both the weak and the strong, not just the mighty. And now here comes the Left, the so-called "Democratic Party" the so called "party of the little man" along one more time to declare they are not Constitutionals, they are not Americans, they are here as Socialists to usurp the USA and remake it back into their European image.

And they don't hide it either: they are out on the streets with trumpets announcing it like it was a banner of honor.

 

[dudmuck]

#1) Deport all illegals

#2) Build the wall

#3) Balance the Budget

#4) Do 1-3 and we can abolish the EC.

All those things are orthogonal with each other.

Vermont and RI have very similar ratios of voters per EC vote. So stop whining.
The Electoral College isn't going anywhere because the States elect the president.

Its going because only a few states actually pick the president (swing states).
And wyoming residents have 43x voting power than california resident.

Without the skewing of the process to focus on the so-called “battleground” states where the balance can be tipped in the Electoral College, candidates would be freed to make appeals to voters in every part of the country

 

[August West]

Eliminate the Electoral College and disenfranchise 5/8th of the nation's voters.

Sounds like the Democrats have finally come up with a way to win back the White House.

Why should a vote in Montana be worth more than a vote in Pennsylvania?

If we went to a popular vote, the needs of Montana would be completely ignored by populist demagogues who would only campaign in urban centers.

That's why.

You're welcome.

That doesn`t justify a Montana vote being worth more than my Pennsylvania vote. Most of my state is rural and those people have a voice that isn`t as loud as the rural folks in Montana. There`s probably more farmers within 50 miles of my home than there are in Montana. I`ve never like discrimination in any form.

 

[Rustic]

Well there seems to be the drumbeat of that again...

Getting rid of electoral college means rural America might as well not even vote, They would lose every single election.

States like California or Florida Texas and New York would dominate everything in this country…

There is a reason why they call this a republic not a shit eating democracy...

Under the current system of state-by-state winner-take-all method of awarding electoral votes, small states (the 13 states with only 3 or 4 electoral votes) are the most disadvantaged and ignored group of states in this Republic:

9.4 Myths about the Small States

• "The small states are not ignored because of their low population, but because they are not closely divided battleground states. The 12 small non-battleground states have about the same population (12 million) as the closely divided battleground state of Ohio.

• "The 12 small states have 40 electoral votes—more than twice Ohio’s 18 electoral votes. However, Ohio received 73 of 253 post-convention campaign events in 2012, while the 12 small non-battleground states received none."

Small states know they have electoral college votes to represent them... Because they don’t mean nothing to the popular vote.
There again that’s why they call this a republic not a shit eating democracy...

 

[Bush92]

Sen. Elizabeth Warren said Monday that she fully supports abolishing the Electoral College and moving toward a national vote, the first time the 2020 presidential candidate has publicly taken the stance.

“My view is that every vote matters,” the Massachusetts Democrat said to roaring applause at her CNN presidential town hall at Jackson State University in Mississippi. “And the way we can make that happen is that we can have national voting, and that means get rid of the Electoral College.”

More: Elizabeth Warren Calls For Getting Rid Of The Electoral College

Amen! I couldn't agree more! Elections should be about people - not acreage! BTW, the rest of the link is worth reading.

The most unconstitutional thing I have ever heard of. States rights was always at the center of the Constitution and the convention that created it. California, New York, and Illinois have no right to run the executive branch.