End of times?

[BluePhantom]

It is interesting that the same people who were preaching Doomsday scenarios when it was politically convenient now deride Endtimes scenarios because they are being preached by the opposition.

I am not going to read this whole thread. I started a thread about the Revelation a while ago but only the nuts seemed interested. There is one thing that every single prophet of doom, destruction, and the end of times has in common. Every last one of them to a single person has been utterly, indisputably and completely wrong, You would have thought the Great Disappointment of 1844 would have taught us something.

But they're very good at fleecing the gullible flock.

Fleecing the gullible flock, as you put it (which I love BTW), is unfortunately not an exclusive Christian institution. It happens with every religion and every political party and every subset of society. "The Church" has a very bad habit of misrepresenting what is in the Bible and they have been doing it for centuries. Only in the most recent few centuries has it been ok for commoners to read the Bible without getting burned at the stake for doing so. That's how they ran things back then and in terms of world history that is relatively recent. But Democrats do the same thing, Republicans do the same thing, Socialists and Communist do the same thing, perhaps not with the threat of death as with ancient Christianity or modern Islam, but there is plenty of "fleecing the flock" going around within all subsocieties.

But I think we can't blame them. I think we as a society have to blame ourselves because we are willing and actually desperate to get duped. I personally think that the average person doesn't want to have to think for themselves because doing so makes them responsible for their own lot in life. It's far easier to do what you are told, think how you are told, and believe what you are told so if it goes wrong you can blame someone else and avoid the responsibility of where you are in life.

Perhaps I am a pessimist...I don't know. That's just how I see it

 

[BluePhantom]

I hate reading about dumb shit know it all about what they believe about the end of times and that includes the book of revelation, because nobody knows when it will happen or if we are close. What us Christians do know is that everyday we are supposed to be in the word, think about god, and be good disciples of Christ by being a walking example of Christ the best we can with love.

All you idiots in this thread need to wake the fuck up to this and stop this thread.

Well I am about to crash out. I am beyond the point of expending much energy into this anymore. But I will say that I tend to agree with you. No one knows. What Daniel, The Apocalypse, Jesus (Matthew 24:34), Joseph Smith, William Miller, Hal Lindsay, the Apostle Paul, the Watchtower, and every single person who has predicted the end of the world since the beginning of time all have in common is that every single one of them has been 100%, completely, totally, ridiculously, and unfathomably wrong. In fact none of them have even come close.

You are absolutely correct about living in the Word, being good stewards, etc. The "beware, beware the end is near" stuff has about as much credibility Obama on government transparency and the only people who buy into it are fanaticals and there is no talking sense to them anyhow.

That being said how many people of any religion truly "walk in the Word"? I count myself blessed to have met two (myself not included) who truly accept without judgement, and who "hate the sin and not the sinner"? I paraphrase Ghandi when he said "I love Jesus, He is fantastic. I wish Christians would listen to Him". You have to admit, Christianity, from its conception to the modern age, has not exactly been the bastion of "let me be the example"

I agree with you completely. I've been a Christian for 19 years I'm happy to say and I learned long ago that there is 1 judge that matters and that is God. Referenced in the bible many times for a reason. not many Christians read the bible and that is problem that leads to others.

Christ is the untimate example of how a person should strive to be. Knowing that why waste your time trying to be like someone else? Nothing will make you happier and satisfied like Christ will. The key thing that makes this end of times predicting crap is it makes what i call the bible thumpers who are desperate because they think the end of times is near or they know when it will be preach the gospel out of fear. Not LOVE. If I was going to tell a Christian or a non believer anything it will be showing them Christs love for everybody even people that man would say is unredeemable or lost. No ones ever lost. Christ saved the man who cried out for forgiveness who was dying on the cross right next to him. Guess what happened to the other guy who denied him? Christ was the perfect example to the very end of his life and even after death.

Well you know it's about power. Don't you agree? Teaching an Apocalyptic message gives power over those who believe it because it terrifies them into behaving the way someone wants them to behave. It is about controlling the actions of people and not fostering a true communion with God. In my opinion a true Christian doesn't get involved in other people's lives, try to direct their behavior, or try to steer their "God experience". They may answer questions about their own "God experience" but they don't interfere with another's path. That is between them and God.

Damn I just laughed so hard I spit up my coffee throuh my nose and on my laptop keyboard... Good one !

"a true Christian doesn't get involved in other people's lives, try to direct their behavior, or try to steer their "God experience"."

You guys crack me up. That's all ANY of you do is try to infest other peoples lives with your nonsense. It's your sworn duty.

I think you are missing the point Huggy. Essentially I am agreeing with you. The Christian that is thought of in mainstream society, in politics, etc is one who intrudes, who forces their own beliefs on another, who forces their own morality on another and upon society as a whole. Those are not actually Christian values...that's not something a Christian should do. What thast means, and I would agree with this 100%, is that 99.999% of Christians really don't follow the teachings of Christianity. I agree with you completely that most Christian try to interfere in other people's lives. Those that do are missing a major part of what Christianity is about.

You and I actually agree Huggy

 

[BluePhantom]

I hate reading about dumb shit know it all about what they believe about the end of times and that includes the book of revelation, because nobody knows when it will happen or if we are close. What us Christians do know is that everyday we are supposed to be in the word, think about god, and be good disciples of Christ by being a walking example of Christ the best we can with love.

All you idiots in this thread need to wake the fuck up to this and stop this thread.

Well I am about to crash out. I am beyond the point of expending much energy into this anymore. But I will say that I tend to agree with you. No one knows. What Daniel, The Apocalypse, Jesus (Matthew 24:34), Joseph Smith, William Miller, Hal Lindsay, the Apostle Paul, the Watchtower, and every single person who has predicted the end of the world since the beginning of time all have in common is that every single one of them has been 100%, completely, totally, ridiculously, and unfathomably wrong. In fact none of them have even come close.

You are absolutely correct about living in the Word, being good stewards, etc. The "beware, beware the end is near" stuff has about as much credibility Obama on government transparency and the only people who buy into it are fanaticals and there is no talking sense to them anyhow.

That being said how many people of any religion truly "walk in the Word"? I count myself blessed to have met two (myself not included) who truly accept without judgement, and who "hate the sin and not the sinner"? I paraphrase Ghandi when he said "I love Jesus, He is fantastic. I wish Christians would listen to Him". You have to admit, Christianity, from its conception to the modern age, has not exactly been the bastion of "let me be the example"

I agree with you completely. I've been a Christian for 19 years I'm happy to say and I learned long ago that there is 1 judge that matters and that is God. Referenced in the bible many times for a reason. not many Christians read the bible and that is problem that leads to others.

Christ is the untimate example of how a person should strive to be. Knowing that why waste your time trying to be like someone else? Nothing will make you happier and satisfied like Christ will. The key thing that makes this end of times predicting crap is it makes what i call the bible thumpers who are desperate because they think the end of times is near or they know when it will be preach the gospel out of fear. Not LOVE. If I was going to tell a Christian or a non believer anything it will be showing them Christs love for everybody even people that man would say is unredeemable or lost. No ones ever lost. Christ saved the man who cried out for forgiveness who was dying on the cross right next to him. Guess what happened to the other guy who denied him? Christ was the perfect example to the very end of his life and even after death.

Well you know it's about power. Don't you agree? Teaching an Apocalyptic message gives power over those who believe it because it terrifies them into behaving the way someone wants them to behave. It is about controlling the actions of people and not fostering a true communion with God. In my opinion a true Christian doesn't get involved in other people's lives, try to direct their behavior, or try to steer their "God experience". They may answer questions about their own "God experience" but they don't interfere with another's path. That is between them and God.

Damn I just laughed so hard I spit up my coffee throuh my nose and on my laptop keyboard... Good one !

"a true Christian doesn't get involved in other people's lives, try to direct their behavior, or try to steer their "God experience"."

You guys crack me up. That's all ANY of you do is try to infest other peoples lives with your nonsense. It's your sworn duty.

A good Christian church will preach about how in the bible it says clearly that God gives us the freedom of choice to sin or to not sin. Any good church wont try to intervien in it's member lives or have Guidlines other than what's in the king james bible, which is Gods word. Which states this. We are supposed to judge the sin not the sinners, and god tells us what sin is in the bible. There's only 1 judge and that is God himself. Anybody else that judges should be looked down upon.

Well actually therein lies a big problem. What the Bible REALLY says is a bit of a crapshoot. As I mentioned in an earlier post I tried to do a very thorough exploration on just one book (The Apocalypse - thread titled "One the Apocalypse I and II") but the crazies essentially made it impossible. I had just started chapter one when I finally gave up because I was beating my head against a brick wall of ignorance and stubbornness. My goal was to have an honest dialogue and a communal exploration leading toward understanding. It turned out to be a pissing match with a bunch of guys who "don't know much about art but they know what they like".

The truth is getting to the heart of what the Bible ACTUALLY says is extraordinarily difficult. Scholars have been working on it for three thousand years and unfortunately there is still not much of a consensus. The debate creates the need to draw supporters to each side and that creates division and focus upon the areas of disagreement instead of the areas of consensus.

What I think all Christians would agree with (in theory) is as you say...hate the sin, love the sinner (problem is..most Christian don't). Judge not another person (problem is most Christians judge)...etc etc...I could go on. I am not telling you anything new and it's not an exclusive Christian problem. It's an Islamic problem, a liberal problem, a conservative problem....IT'S A HUMAN PROBLEM.

But if we are going to espouse Christian morals shouldn't we first live those morals and walk in the word before we accuse others?

 

[Judicial review]

Well I am about to crash out. I am beyond the point of expending much energy into this anymore. But I will say that I tend to agree with you. No one knows. What Daniel, The Apocalypse, Jesus (Matthew 24:34), Joseph Smith, William Miller, Hal Lindsay, the Apostle Paul, the Watchtower, and every single person who has predicted the end of the world since the beginning of time all have in common is that every single one of them has been 100%, completely, totally, ridiculously, and unfathomably wrong. In fact none of them have even come close.

You are absolutely correct about living in the Word, being good stewards, etc. The "beware, beware the end is near" stuff has about as much credibility Obama on government transparency and the only people who buy into it are fanaticals and there is no talking sense to them anyhow.

That being said how many people of any religion truly "walk in the Word"? I count myself blessed to have met two (myself not included) who truly accept without judgement, and who "hate the sin and not the sinner"? I paraphrase Ghandi when he said "I love Jesus, He is fantastic. I wish Christians would listen to Him". You have to admit, Christianity, from its conception to the modern age, has not exactly been the bastion of "let me be the example"

I agree with you completely. I've been a Christian for 19 years I'm happy to say and I learned long ago that there is 1 judge that matters and that is God. Referenced in the bible many times for a reason. not many Christians read the bible and that is problem that leads to others.

Christ is the untimate example of how a person should strive to be. Knowing that why waste your time trying to be like someone else? Nothing will make you happier and satisfied like Christ will. The key thing that makes this end of times predicting crap is it makes what i call the bible thumpers who are desperate because they think the end of times is near or they know when it will be preach the gospel out of fear. Not LOVE. If I was going to tell a Christian or a non believer anything it will be showing them Christs love for everybody even people that man would say is unredeemable or lost. No ones ever lost. Christ saved the man who cried out for forgiveness who was dying on the cross right next to him. Guess what happened to the other guy who denied him? Christ was the perfect example to the very end of his life and even after death.

Well you know it's about power. Don't you agree? Teaching an Apocalyptic message gives power over those who believe it because it terrifies them into behaving the way someone wants them to behave. It is about controlling the actions of people and not fostering a true communion with God. In my opinion a true Christian doesn't get involved in other people's lives, try to direct their behavior, or try to steer their "God experience". They may answer questions about their own "God experience" but they don't interfere with another's path. That is between them and God.

Damn I just laughed so hard I spit up my coffee throuh my nose and on my laptop keyboard... Good one !

"a true Christian doesn't get involved in other people's lives, try to direct their behavior, or try to steer their "God experience"."

You guys crack me up. That's all ANY of you do is try to infest other peoples lives with your nonsense. It's your sworn duty.

A good Christian church will preach about how in the bible it says clearly that God gives us the freedom of choice to sin or to not sin. Any good church wont try to intervien in it's member lives or have Guidlines other than what's in the king james bible, which is Gods word. Which states this. We are supposed to judge the sin not the sinners, and god tells us what sin is in the bible. There's only 1 judge and that is God himself. Anybody else that judges should be looked down upon.

Well actually therein lies a big problem. What the Bible REALLY says is a bit of a crapshoot. As I mentioned in an earlier post I tried to do a very thorough exploration on just one book (The Apocalypse - thread titled "One the Apocalypse I and II") but the crazies essentially made it impossible. I had just started chapter one when I finally gave up because I was beating my head against a brick wall of ignorance and stubbornness. My goal was to have an honest dialogue and a communal exploration leading toward understanding. It turned out to be a pissing match with a bunch of guys who "don't know much about art but they know what they like".

The truth is getting to the heart of what the Bible ACTUALLY says is extraordinarily difficult. Scholars have been working on it for three thousand years and unfortunately there is still not much of a consensus. The debate creates the need to draw supporters to each side and that creates division and focus upon the areas of disagreement instead of the areas of consensus.

What I think all Christians would agree with (in theory) is as you say...hate the sin, love the sinner (problem is..most Christian don't). Judge not another person (problem is most Christians judge)...etc etc...I could go on. I am not telling you anything new and it's not an exclusive Christian problem. It's an Islamic problem, a liberal problem, a conservative problem....IT'S A HUMAN PROBLEM.

But if we are going to espouse Christian morals shouldn't we first live those morals and walk in the word before we accuse others?

Jesus condemns hypocrisy many times in the bible. The answer is, yes.

 

[BluePhantom]

I agree with you completely. I've been a Christian for 19 years I'm happy to say and I learned long ago that there is 1 judge that matters and that is God. Referenced in the bible many times for a reason. not many Christians read the bible and that is problem that leads to others.

Christ is the untimate example of how a person should strive to be. Knowing that why waste your time trying to be like someone else? Nothing will make you happier and satisfied like Christ will. The key thing that makes this end of times predicting crap is it makes what i call the bible thumpers who are desperate because they think the end of times is near or they know when it will be preach the gospel out of fear. Not LOVE. If I was going to tell a Christian or a non believer anything it will be showing them Christs love for everybody even people that man would say is unredeemable or lost. No ones ever lost. Christ saved the man who cried out for forgiveness who was dying on the cross right next to him. Guess what happened to the other guy who denied him? Christ was the perfect example to the very end of his life and even after death.

Well you know it's about power. Don't you agree? Teaching an Apocalyptic message gives power over those who believe it because it terrifies them into behaving the way someone wants them to behave. It is about controlling the actions of people and not fostering a true communion with God. In my opinion a true Christian doesn't get involved in other people's lives, try to direct their behavior, or try to steer their "God experience". They may answer questions about their own "God experience" but they don't interfere with another's path. That is between them and God.

Damn I just laughed so hard I spit up my coffee throuh my nose and on my laptop keyboard... Good one !

"a true Christian doesn't get involved in other people's lives, try to direct their behavior, or try to steer their "God experience"."

You guys crack me up. That's all ANY of you do is try to infest other peoples lives with your nonsense. It's your sworn duty.

A good Christian church will preach about how in the bible it says clearly that God gives us the freedom of choice to sin or to not sin. Any good church wont try to intervien in it's member lives or have Guidlines other than what's in the king james bible, which is Gods word. Which states this. We are supposed to judge the sin not the sinners, and god tells us what sin is in the bible. There's only 1 judge and that is God himself. Anybody else that judges should be looked down upon.

Well actually therein lies a big problem. What the Bible REALLY says is a bit of a crapshoot. As I mentioned in an earlier post I tried to do a very thorough exploration on just one book (The Apocalypse - thread titled "One the Apocalypse I and II") but the crazies essentially made it impossible. I had just started chapter one when I finally gave up because I was beating my head against a brick wall of ignorance and stubbornness. My goal was to have an honest dialogue and a communal exploration leading toward understanding. It turned out to be a pissing match with a bunch of guys who "don't know much about art but they know what they like".

The truth is getting to the heart of what the Bible ACTUALLY says is extraordinarily difficult. Scholars have been working on it for three thousand years and unfortunately there is still not much of a consensus. The debate creates the need to draw supporters to each side and that creates division and focus upon the areas of disagreement instead of the areas of consensus.

What I think all Christians would agree with (in theory) is as you say...hate the sin, love the sinner (problem is..most Christian don't). Judge not another person (problem is most Christians judge)...etc etc...I could go on. I am not telling you anything new and it's not an exclusive Christian problem. It's an Islamic problem, a liberal problem, a conservative problem....IT'S A HUMAN PROBLEM.

But if we are going to espouse Christian morals shouldn't we first live those morals and walk in the word before we accuse others?

Jesus condemns hypocrisy many times in the bible. The answer is, yes.

You my brother are a breath of fresh air. I truly let out a sigh of relief with the 12 words you just posted. Finally I have run into someone who gets it.

 

[Judicial review]

Well you know it's about power. Don't you agree? Teaching an Apocalyptic message gives power over those who believe it because it terrifies them into behaving the way someone wants them to behave. It is about controlling the actions of people and not fostering a true communion with God. In my opinion a true Christian doesn't get involved in other people's lives, try to direct their behavior, or try to steer their "God experience". They may answer questions about their own "God experience" but they don't interfere with another's path. That is between them and God.

Damn I just laughed so hard I spit up my coffee throuh my nose and on my laptop keyboard... Good one !

"a true Christian doesn't get involved in other people's lives, try to direct their behavior, or try to steer their "God experience"."

You guys crack me up. That's all ANY of you do is try to infest other peoples lives with your nonsense. It's your sworn duty.

A good Christian church will preach about how in the bible it says clearly that God gives us the freedom of choice to sin or to not sin. Any good church wont try to intervien in it's member lives or have Guidlines other than what's in the king james bible, which is Gods word. Which states this. We are supposed to judge the sin not the sinners, and god tells us what sin is in the bible. There's only 1 judge and that is God himself. Anybody else that judges should be looked down upon.

Well actually therein lies a big problem. What the Bible REALLY says is a bit of a crapshoot. As I mentioned in an earlier post I tried to do a very thorough exploration on just one book (The Apocalypse - thread titled "One the Apocalypse I and II") but the crazies essentially made it impossible. I had just started chapter one when I finally gave up because I was beating my head against a brick wall of ignorance and stubbornness. My goal was to have an honest dialogue and a communal exploration leading toward understanding. It turned out to be a pissing match with a bunch of guys who "don't know much about art but they know what they like".

The truth is getting to the heart of what the Bible ACTUALLY says is extraordinarily difficult. Scholars have been working on it for three thousand years and unfortunately there is still not much of a consensus. The debate creates the need to draw supporters to each side and that creates division and focus upon the areas of disagreement instead of the areas of consensus.

What I think all Christians would agree with (in theory) is as you say...hate the sin, love the sinner (problem is..most Christian don't). Judge not another person (problem is most Christians judge)...etc etc...I could go on. I am not telling you anything new and it's not an exclusive Christian problem. It's an Islamic problem, a liberal problem, a conservative problem....IT'S A HUMAN PROBLEM.

But if we are going to espouse Christian morals shouldn't we first live those morals and walk in the word before we accuse others?

Jesus condemns hypocrisy many times in the bible. The answer is, yes.

You my brother are a breath of fresh air. I truly let out a sigh of relief with the 12 words you just posted. Finally I have run into someone who gets it.

Same from me to you.

 

[Avatar4321]

can you build a planet? Till you can I highly doubt you can back your claim up.

No person can build a planet..including your Jesus. No imaginary sky fairy can build a planet either. You grossly overestimate the capabilities of your wishful interpretation of some old wives tales that made it onto some old scrolls and were cherry picked by a Roman commission for your religion's guidance over 2 ,000 years ago. I am under no obligation to honor your fairy tales. If WE have any hope of a responsible dialogue you need to converse in language representing what is possible by today's standards and not expect I will cosign your delusion.

I don't argue with crazy people.

God didn't build a planet. He spoke it into existence. Jesus Christ is the Word of God that became flesh and dwelt among men. Read the first chapter of the Gospel of John.

God's ways are higher than your ways, Huggy. How can you believe when you reject the One in whom you must believe first?

Here. This is for you, Huggy:

1 Corinthians 1 19 For it is written I will destroy the wisdom of the wise the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate.

Put a sock in it Sparky. I don't share your fascination for 2000 year old fairy tales. I live in the here and now. I wouldn't be sitting here at the puter if it wasn't friggin freezing cold outside and down on the first floor of the motel. In here it's comfy and cozy. I'm having a hard time getting worked up enough to risk my old bones on going down and working on replacing the swiss cheese floor pan of my 69 VW bus. I really need to make the driving area waterproof as I have further plans to use the vehicle in all kinds of weather. But like I said it's very cold outside. Hard to get motivated. Otherwise I wouldn't be doing this. BUT given the choice between frostbite and re-reading that old bullshit I would gladly loose my fingertips to the elements.

You people don't get it do you. Nobody with half a brain wants to muse over the nonsense you people are brainwashed into believing.

Yet....here you are...musing over the topic that you call nonsense. And...do name the "nobodies". Oh. Wait. That would be you, wouldn't it?

Like I said... It's too cold to go out and do something productive..

Oh !!! Wait !!! It's God's mysterious ways MAKING it cold in Seattle today so I would be up here at the computer reading and replying to this thread .. !!!!!!

OMG !!!!

How Miss tear EEEEEE ous !!!!

That God is a twicky some biatch !!!

because those are the only alternatives. You either go out and work or you go online and hangout in threads about topics you are claiming is a waste of time.

subconsciously you want to talk here or you wouldn't voluntarily join the thread.

 

[Avatar4321]

the age of grace will be done soon, very soon- all the signs are there; nothing else needs to happen before the pretrib rapture. The reason it is so important to get the word out is because once Believer's are raptured; that is it- no second chance to be saved for those that have heard His Word and denied it/Him.

The devil's biggest lie is you can choose Christ tom. TODAY is the day of salvation.

the dispensation of grace ended a while ago. We live in the dispensation of the fullness of times when Paul said God would gather all things in one.

and He is. He is gathering the House of Israel throughout the world. He is gathering the knowledge of the world together. He has made communication and travel so easy for us that we are becoming a single global community.

and he has started gathering the scriptures He has revealed to men together.

most importantly He has restored the keys that have been held in previous dispensations to man. As well as the knowledge of those people. And He is doing this all to prepare for the return of Christ.

we live in a day and age the prophets of old dreamt of and we take it for granted

lol, no. Show me in the bible where that is.

pauls statement is eph 1:10

 

[Avatar4321]

Faith is one of the easiest senses to take advantage of.

What I find astonishing is that nowadays with so much interaction amongst the religions that those of faith haven't noticed that those of EVERY religion believe they know the truth. They have faith they are not being decieved.

Hells Bells! I know people that have faith in what they witnessed in those Las Vegas magic shows is real.

I can sort of understand that when people were far less educated it was easy to take a rumor or someone's word that something extraordinary was done or seen or heard.

But now that we have a more realistic idea of what human beings are capable of even the story of going up on a mountain peak and getting stone tablets directly from god is rediculous beyond the pale.

I get it..the Jews needed a good kick in the pants because they were in the very real danger of extinction. So Moses had an epiphany.. "what if I sneak some tablets with me and go up on that yonder tall hill and bring em back with a straight face... " Ya...Ya...Ya... People were vulnerable and the story sounded good. They were at their wits end.

I believe that Jesus took a page outta Moses playbook realising that the Jews had become scoundrels and had just turned the "god story" into a way to get rich. What he learned was that the ends justifies he means. I mean who was he hurting? The people of the day DID need a better path towards becoming better human beings.

He didn't have to go very far to find people that had been abused. He didn't have to look very hard for the sick, the poor that had no options. What did they have to lose?

Face it..back then life was a stinking flaming sack of dog poop.

So NOW with everything we have learned and the super soft lives we live ..even our homeless have it WAY better than the average Joe of Jesus's day. Nobody gets lanced whenever a soldier feels like it.. etc..

So NOW we are spozed to believe that living sucks so bad that we are near the end?

Just HOW stupid are you folks? I can almost buy why ya'll believe in heaven and all that hogwash.. It is because you are weak ass pussies that cannot face your last beath with any personal dignity. You whiners WANT to believe that daddy god and Jesus are going to give you some fantastic extension ...not for a few years BUT for friggin eternity...That's right ..ETERNITY... just for mumbling a few words???? Perfect!!!

WOW! Just WOW!

It's a good thing I don't care what you think of me... I still can't get over what little you think of yourselves.

what do you know of dignity?

try reading the scriptures sometime. You might be surprises what you learn

I used to read fiction. Then I had an interesting life.

Now I focus on learning technical information that I can incorporate into my skillset.

I don't have enough time left to waste re-reading religious fiction.

I've been learning how to make stuff out of steel recently..purchased a couple of welders..made alliances with machine shops and metal suppliers.

The idea of constructing my own sawmill and buying some land with trees and a stream on it fascinates me. A well thought out comfortable mountain cabin and on site machine shop and big garage to assemble big stuff..hydro power generation..room for an airstrip.. Big toys I built for myself.. Mobile welding and repair for extra cash ..throw in some manufacturing.. with a rock bottom overhead. I am currently in the proccess of converting my VW bus into a mobile welding and repair vehicle. Already own a couple of top quality 7,000 watt generators. There is still good land up here in the NW for 5-8 thousand an acre within 20 minutes to civilization.

These are my interests now. Your bible would just be a serious waste of my time. I can already do a lot of things your Jesus couldn't even dream of.

can you build a planet? Till you can I highly doubt you can back your claim up.

Building a planet is nuthin'.

OTOH, building an invisible planet, like Kolob - now that's just downright unbelievable.

you do realize kolob isn't a planet, right? It's a symbolic representation of Jesus Christ

 

[Avatar4321]

I hate reading about dumb shit know it all about what they believe about the end of times and that includes the book of revelation, because nobody knows when it will happen or if we are close. What us Christians do know is that everyday we are supposed to be in the word, think about god, and be good disciples of Christ by being a walking example of Christ the best we can with love.

All you idiots in this thread need to wake the fuck up to this and stop this thread.

Well I am about to crash out. I am beyond the point of expending much energy into this anymore. But I will say that I tend to agree with you. No one knows. What Daniel, The Apocalypse, Jesus (Matthew 24:34), Joseph Smith, William Miller, Hal Lindsay, the Apostle Paul, the Watchtower, and every single person who has predicted the end of the world since the beginning of time all have in common is that every single one of them has been 100%, completely, totally, ridiculously, and unfathomably wrong. In fact none of them have even come close.

You are absolutely correct about living in the Word, being good stewards, etc. The "beware, beware the end is near" stuff has about as much credibility Obama on government transparency and the only people who buy into it are fanaticals and there is no talking sense to them anyhow.

That being said how many people of any religion truly "walk in the Word"? I count myself blessed to have met two (myself not included) who truly accept without judgement, and who "hate the sin and not the sinner"? I paraphrase Ghandi when he said "I love Jesus, He is fantastic. I wish Christians would listen to Him". You have to admit, Christianity, from its conception to the modern age, has not exactly been the bastion of "let me be the example"

I agree with you completely. I've been a Christian for 19 years I'm happy to say and I learned long ago that there is 1 judge that matters and that is God. Referenced in the bible many times for a reason. not many Christians read the bible and that is problem that leads to others.

Christ is the untimate example of how a person should strive to be. Knowing that why waste your time trying to be like someone else? Nothing will make you happier and satisfied like Christ will. The key thing that makes this end of times predicting crap is it makes what i call the bible thumpers who are desperate because they think the end of times is near or they know when it will be preach the gospel out of fear. Not LOVE. If I was going to tell a Christian or a non believer anything it will be showing them Christs love for everybody even people that man would say is unredeemable or lost. No ones ever lost. Christ saved the man who cried out for forgiveness who was dying on the cross right next to him. Guess what happened to the other guy who denied him? Christ was the perfect example to the very end of his life and even after death.

Well you know it's about power. Don't you agree? Teaching an Apocalyptic message gives power over those who believe it because it terrifies them into behaving the way someone wants them to behave. It is about controlling the actions of people and not fostering a true communion with God. In my opinion a true Christian doesn't get involved in other people's lives, try to direct their behavior, or try to steer their "God experience". They may answer questions about their own "God experience" but they don't interfere with another's path. That is between them and God.

Damn I just laughed so hard I spit up my coffee throuh my nose and on my laptop keyboard... Good one !

"a true Christian doesn't get involved in other people's lives, try to direct their behavior, or try to steer their "God experience"."

You guys crack me up. That's all ANY of you do is try to infest other peoples lives with your nonsense. It's your sworn duty.

A good Christian church will preach about how in the bible it says clearly that God gives us the freedom of choice to sin or to not sin. Any good church wont try to intervien in it's member lives or have Guidlines other than what's in the king james bible, which is Gods word. Which states this. We are supposed to judge the sin not the sinners, and god tells us what sin is in the bible. There's only 1 judge and that is God himself. Anybody else that judges should be looked down upon.

you just disqualified Jesus and the apostles from being good Christians.

 

[theword]

Our Creator can make His people believe in any illusions He forms for them to observe.

Why would our creator bother to create illusions to deceive people?

Excellent question, but I can one up you - Why would anybody believe anything from a poster that has the balls, ego, and pride to call himself, "the word?"

Psalm 41
5: My enemies say of me in malice: "When will he die, and his name perish?"
6: And when one comes to see me, he utters empty words, while his heart gathers mischief; when he goes out, he tells it abroad.
7: All who hate me whisper together about me; they imagine the worst for me.

I guess paranoia was a problem for religious nuts back then too......

There's nothing to be afraid of my child.

 

[theword]

Well I am about to crash out. I am beyond the point of expending much energy into this anymore. But I will say that I tend to agree with you. No one knows. What Daniel, The Apocalypse, Jesus (Matthew 24:34), Joseph Smith, William Miller, Hal Lindsay, the Apostle Paul, the Watchtower, and every single person who has predicted the end of the world since the beginning of time all have in common is that every single one of them has been 100%, completely, totally, ridiculously, and unfathomably wrong. In fact none of them have even come close.

You are absolutely correct about living in the Word, being good stewards, etc. The "beware, beware the end is near" stuff has about as much credibility Obama on government transparency and the only people who buy into it are fanaticals and there is no talking sense to them anyhow.

That being said how many people of any religion truly "walk in the Word"? I count myself blessed to have met two (myself not included) who truly accept without judgement, and who "hate the sin and not the sinner"? I paraphrase Ghandi when he said "I love Jesus, He is fantastic. I wish Christians would listen to Him". You have to admit, Christianity, from its conception to the modern age, has not exactly been the bastion of "let me be the example"

I agree with you completely. I've been a Christian for 19 years I'm happy to say and I learned long ago that there is 1 judge that matters and that is God. Referenced in the bible many times for a reason. not many Christians read the bible and that is problem that leads to others.

Christ is the untimate example of how a person should strive to be. Knowing that why waste your time trying to be like someone else? Nothing will make you happier and satisfied like Christ will. The key thing that makes this end of times predicting crap is it makes what i call the bible thumpers who are desperate because they think the end of times is near or they know when it will be preach the gospel out of fear. Not LOVE. If I was going to tell a Christian or a non believer anything it will be showing them Christs love for everybody even people that man would say is unredeemable or lost. No ones ever lost. Christ saved the man who cried out for forgiveness who was dying on the cross right next to him. Guess what happened to the other guy who denied him? Christ was the perfect example to the very end of his life and even after death.

Well you know it's about power. Don't you agree? Teaching an Apocalyptic message gives power over those who believe it because it terrifies them into behaving the way someone wants them to behave. It is about controlling the actions of people and not fostering a true communion with God. In my opinion a true Christian doesn't get involved in other people's lives, try to direct their behavior, or try to steer their "God experience". They may answer questions about their own "God experience" but they don't interfere with another's path. That is between them and God.

Damn I just laughed so hard I spit up my coffee throuh my nose and on my laptop keyboard... Good one !

"a true Christian doesn't get involved in other people's lives, try to direct their behavior, or try to steer their "God experience"."

You guys crack me up. That's all ANY of you do is try to infest other peoples lives with your nonsense. It's your sworn duty.

A good Christian church will preach about how in the bible it says clearly that God gives us the freedom of choice to sin or to not sin. Any good church wont try to intervien in it's member lives or have Guidlines other than what's in the king james bible, which is Gods word. Which states this. We are supposed to judge the sin not the sinners, and god tells us what sin is in the bible. There's only 1 judge and that is God himself. Anybody else that judges should be looked down upon.

you just disqualified Jesus and the apostles from being good Christians.

Jesus and us saints warn our believers about Christians who preach false gospels.

 

[BULLDOG]

Our Creator can make His people believe in any illusions He forms for them to observe.

Why would our creator bother to create illusions to deceive people?

Excellent question, but I can one up you - Why would anybody believe anything from a poster that has the balls, ego, and pride to call himself, "the word?"

Psalm 41
5: My enemies say of me in malice: "When will he die, and his name perish?"
6: And when one comes to see me, he utters empty words, while his heart gathers mischief; when he goes out, he tells it abroad.
7: All who hate me whisper together about me; they imagine the worst for me.

I guess paranoia was a problem for religious nuts back then too......

There's nothing to be afraid of my child.

You can't imagine how much of a comfort that is coming from someone such as yourself.

 

[kjw47]

Internal strife, wars, wild weather, ebola and now weird ticks spreading new diseases.

New Tick-Borne Bourbon Virus Is Deadly And Unlike Anything Previously Seen In U.S.

Are we at the end of times, according to the bible in Revelations?

Discuss.

For thousands of years reactionary conservatives have whined about the 'end of the world,' incorrectly perceiving their age as being beset with all manner of catastrophes never before experienced, when in fact nothing could be more untrue.

There are no 'end times,' the notion is superstitious nonsense, the state of America today is significantly better than it was 50 years ago when there was considerably more strife, violence, and discord – and the best America is yet to come.

You said the best America is yet to come--but any with a spirit of Jesus lead heart--knows 100% for sure--rev 13 has been going on for awhile--and the two horned beast- ( the eagle-lion)

LOL Rev Chapter 1 hasn't started yet.

we are well into rev 13--its almost done.

 

[kjw47]

Internal strife, wars, wild weather, ebola and now weird ticks spreading new diseases.

New Tick-Borne Bourbon Virus Is Deadly And Unlike Anything Previously Seen In U.S.

Are we at the end of times, according to the bible in Revelations?

Discuss.

For thousands of years reactionary conservatives have whined about the 'end of the world,' incorrectly perceiving their age as being beset with all manner of catastrophes never before experienced, when in fact nothing could be more untrue.

There are no 'end times,' the notion is superstitious nonsense, the state of America today is significantly better than it was 50 years ago when there was considerably more strife, violence, and discord – and the best America is yet to come.

You said the best America is yet to come--but any with a spirit of Jesus lead heart--knows 100% for sure--rev 13 has been going on for awhile--and the two horned beast- ( the eagle-lion)

LOL Rev Chapter 1 hasn't started yet.

God made His plan within His thoughts, not a book called a Bible.

Then God using --HS got certain mortals to write his words in the bible.

 

[The Irish Ram]

"Is Israel surrounded by it's enemies?"
Hardly the workings of a deity

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Huggy, not the work of a deity, a prediction from a deity.
Obama is responsible for Egypt turning on Israel. We are supporting Syria, and Iran and Israel's enemies and are setting the stage for what is to come, not God. The deity wants peace on earth. Israel's enemies want Israel. The UN the EU, Israel, beheadings, us turning our back on Israel, all man's behavior, and all predicted for the end times.

The deity told us what to expect in advance, and the outcome regarding our behavior. He told us who would be invading Israel in the end times. He also told us how they would be defeated. And this time it will be because of Divine intervention. He has had enough. So when you see these things come to pass, know that when you watch the nightly news, you are hearing prophesy unfold. There is only one way this is all going to end. Christ will return to prevent the nuclear extinction of life on earth.

 

[The Irish Ram]

kjw, we are just getting started. We are seeing the formation of the one world government, the beginning of pestilence, the world condemnation of Israel, bizarre weather patterns, and so on exactly as God predicted. It is the globalization our politicians are moving us toward now. But, the choosing of a world leader has not happened yet. We are just now allying with and reinforcing Israel's enemies. No one has forced Israel into giving away their land yet. The Temple has yet to be rebuilt.
We are just now in the process of bringing prophesy to fruition. When the world leader who forges a phony peace with Israel, allows them to return to sacrificing in their newly rebuilt Temple, and then sits on God's throne in that temple and proclaims himself God, is when the shit hits the fan. We are rapidly advancing to that end.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

Faith is one of the easiest senses to take advantage of.

What I find astonishing is that nowadays with so much interaction amongst the religions that those of faith haven't noticed that those of EVERY religion believe they know the truth. They have faith they are not being decieved.

Hells Bells! I know people that have faith in what they witnessed in those Las Vegas magic shows is real.

I can sort of understand that when people were far less educated it was easy to take a rumor or someone's word that something extraordinary was done or seen or heard.

But now that we have a more realistic idea of what human beings are capable of even the story of going up on a mountain peak and getting stone tablets directly from god is rediculous beyond the pale.

I get it..the Jews needed a good kick in the pants because they were in the very real danger of extinction. So Moses had an epiphany.. "what if I sneak some tablets with me and go up on that yonder tall hill and bring em back with a straight face... " Ya...Ya...Ya... People were vulnerable and the story sounded good. They were at their wits end.

I believe that Jesus took a page outta Moses playbook realising that the Jews had become scoundrels and had just turned the "god story" into a way to get rich. What he learned was that the ends justifies he means. I mean who was he hurting? The people of the day DID need a better path towards becoming better human beings.

He didn't have to go very far to find people that had been abused. He didn't have to look very hard for the sick, the poor that had no options. What did they have to lose?

Face it..back then life was a stinking flaming sack of dog poop.

So NOW with everything we have learned and the super soft lives we live ..even our homeless have it WAY better than the average Joe of Jesus's day. Nobody gets lanced whenever a soldier feels like it.. etc..

So NOW we are spozed to believe that living sucks so bad that we are near the end?

Just HOW stupid are you folks? I can almost buy why ya'll believe in heaven and all that hogwash.. It is because you are weak ass pussies that cannot face your last beath with any personal dignity. You whiners WANT to believe that daddy god and Jesus are going to give you some fantastic extension ...not for a few years BUT for friggin eternity...That's right ..ETERNITY... just for mumbling a few words???? Perfect!!!

WOW! Just WOW!

It's a good thing I don't care what you think of me... I still can't get over what little you think of yourselves.

what do you know of dignity?

try reading the scriptures sometime. You might be surprises what you learn

I used to read fiction. Then I had an interesting life.

Now I focus on learning technical information that I can incorporate into my skillset.

I don't have enough time left to waste re-reading religious fiction.

I've been learning how to make stuff out of steel recently..purchased a couple of welders..made alliances with machine shops and metal suppliers.

The idea of constructing my own sawmill and buying some land with trees and a stream on it fascinates me. A well thought out comfortable mountain cabin and on site machine shop and big garage to assemble big stuff..hydro power generation..room for an airstrip.. Big toys I built for myself.. Mobile welding and repair for extra cash ..throw in some manufacturing.. with a rock bottom overhead. I am currently in the proccess of converting my VW bus into a mobile welding and repair vehicle. Already own a couple of top quality 7,000 watt generators. There is still good land up here in the NW for 5-8 thousand an acre within 20 minutes to civilization.

These are my interests now. Your bible would just be a serious waste of my time. I can already do a lot of things your Jesus couldn't even dream of.

can you build a planet? Till you can I highly doubt you can back your claim up.

Building a planet is nuthin'.

OTOH, building an invisible planet, like Kolob - now that's just downright unbelievable.

you do realize kolob isn't a planet, right? It's a symbolic representation of Jesus Christ

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Congrats on learning to use the quote function. I know that could not have been an easy task for you and you deserve credit for sticking with it until you got the hang of it. I mean that sincerely.

As for Kolob, I can only go by what I read.

Kolob

The star nearest the throne of God (Abr. 3:2–3, 9).

• Abraham saw Kolob and the stars:Abr. 3:2–18;
• The Lord’s time is reckoned according to the time of Kolob:Abr. 3:4, 9; ( Abr. 5:13; )

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Detail of Facsimile No. 2 (the Hypocephalus of Sheshonq). Reference numeral 1 represents Kolob according to Joseph Smith. Critics interpret this as an altered figure of a creator god.

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Kolob is a star or planet described in Mormon scripture.

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Detail of Facsimile No. 2 (the Hypocephalus of Sheshonq). Reference numeral 1 represents Kolob according to Joseph Smith. Critics interpret this as an altered figure of a creator god.

Here's an actual photo of it.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

Sorry all the links don't show ^^^ but its not worth the trouble to post more.

 

[Avatar4321]

Sorry all the links don't show ^^^ but its not worth the trouble to post more.

and yet your own links show how you are wrong and you fail to notice. That's why conversations will you have no purpose. You attempts to understand the topic are at most half assed while you pretend to have an understanding