Facts show Trump misrembers 9-11

[Wildman]

There were no cheering crowds...

ooooh really, i did not know that you "Brown Shirt" Nazi

 

[Wildman]

I did see some muslims seem pretty happy after 911 and I'm sure other people can say they had similar experiences.

i saw a news clip of muslimes in Detroit having some fun.

 

[Wildman]

The far right, increasingly and unfailingly, reveal they are authoritarian fascists.

and you are a NAZI!!

 

[edthecynic]

Typical Right-wing half-truth whole lie!

1993 is not 2001, and the Israelis who were observed celebrating in Jersey City were captured in Fort Lee based on the Jersey City witness taking down their license plate number and reporting it to the police who found the car in Fort Lee.

Nice try to lie, but try again.

wrong again muhummad ass licking dog------they were observed in FORT LEE----the big time celebrations were in the MUSLIM SECTIONS of Jersey city-----among
other places in the USA and far more in the shariah shit holes of northern Africa and south east asia. Your Imam lied again

Repeating your lie will not make it any less a lie.

They were observed in Jersey City and arrested in Fort Lee.

Were Israelis Detained on Sept. 11 Spies?

Maria, who asked us not to use her last name, had a view of the World Trade Center from her New Jersey apartment building. She remembers a neighbor calling her shortly after the first plane hit the towers.

She grabbed her binoculars and watched the destruction unfolding in lower Manhattan. But as she watched the disaster, something else caught her eye.

Maria says she saw three young men kneeling on the roof of a white van in the parking lot of her apartment building. "They seemed to be taking a movie," Maria said.

The men were taking video or photos of themselves with the World Trade Center burning in the background, she said. What struck Maria were the expressions on the men's faces. "They were like happy, you know … They didn't look shocked to me. I thought it was very strange," she said.

She found the behavior so suspicious that she wrote down the license plate number of the van and called the police. Before long, the FBI was also on the scene, and a statewide bulletin was issued on the van.

The plate number was traced to a van owned by a company called Urban Moving. Around 4 p.m. on Sept. 11, the van was spotted on a service road off Route 3, near New Jersey's Giants Stadium. A police officer pulled the van over, finding five men, between 22 and 27 years old, in the vehicle. The men were taken out of the van at gunpoint and handcuffed by police.

The arresting officers said they saw a lot that aroused their suspicion about the men. One of the passengers had $4,700 in cash hidden in his sock. Another was carrying two foreign passports. A box cutter was found in the van. But perhaps the biggest surprise for the officers came when the five men identified themselves as Israeli citizens.

right----and that happened in FORT LEE, New Jersey-------it turned out to be four
Israelis who were doing some part time work------for a moving company-----

There were 5 Israelis, and they were ARRESTED in Fort Lee, but they were observed cheering in Jersey City and reported to the Jersey City police. The "moving company" was a Mossad front that they abandoned and fled back to Israel as soon as their agents were captured in Fort Lee
Stop lying to protect that worthless lying scum POS Trump.

After the five men were arrested, the FBI got a warrant and searched Urban Moving's Weehawken, N.J., offices.

The FBI searched Urban Moving's offices for several hours, removing boxes of documents and a dozen computer hard drives. The FBI also questioned Urban Moving's owner. His attorney insists that his client answered all of the FBI's questions. But when FBI agents tried to interview him again a few days later, he was gone.

Three months later 2020's cameras photographed the inside of Urban Moving, and it looked as if the business had been shut down in a big hurry. Cell phones were lying around; office phones were still connected; and the property of dozens of clients remained in the warehouse.

The owner had also cleared out of his New Jersey home, put it up for sale and returned with his family to Israel.

you are sick----the boys were arrested ON THE ROAD----they were observed in FORT LEE------they were not in Jersey city and the lady who saw them could not have gotten BINOCULARS to see all the way from fort lee to JERSEY CITY--jerk.
They were held for a few weeks------and then deported because they had over stayed their visas---------they were interviewed on Israeli TV----all of them----there
was nothing hidden about the whole NON AFFAIR

Lie on top of lie on top of lie. At least you are consistent!

They weren't in Fort Lee when she observed them and took down their license plate number.
How exactly did she see the number if they were in Fort Lee??????
And the Mossad agents were held for 71 days by Bush before they were deported.

Steven Gordon, the attorney for the five Israeli detainees, acknowledged that his clients' actions on Sept. 11 would easily have aroused suspicions. "You got a group of guys that are taking pictures, on top of a roof, of the World Trade Center. They're speaking in a foreign language. They got two passports on 'em. One's got a wad of cash on him, and they got box cutters. Now that's a scary situation."

But Gordon insisted that his clients were just five young men who had come to America for a vacation, ended up working for a moving company, and were taking pictures of the event.

The five Israelis were held at the Metropolitan Detention Center in Brooklyn, ostensibly for overstaying their tourist visas and working in the United States illegally. Two weeks after their arrest, an immigration judge ordered them to be deported. But sources told ABCNEWS that FBI and CIA officials in Washington put a hold on the case.

The five men were held in detention for more than two months. Some of them were placed in solitary confinement for 40 days, and some of them were given as many as seven lie-detector tests.

Plenty of Speculation

Since their arrest, plenty of speculation has swirled about the case, and what the five men were doing that morning. Eventually, The Forward, a respected Jewish newspaper in New York, reported the FBI concluded that two of the men were Israeli intelligence operatives.

Vince Cannistraro, a former chief of operations for counterterrorism with the CIA who is now a consultant for ABCNEWS, said federal authorities' interest in the case was heightened when some of the men's names were found in a search of a national intelligence database.

Israeli Intelligence Connection?

According to Cannistraro, many people in the U.S. intelligence community believed that some of the men arrested were working for Israeli intelligence. Cannistraro said there was speculation as to whether Urban Moving had been "set up or exploited for the purpose of launching an intelligence operation against radical Islamists in the area, particularly in the New Jersey-New York area."

Under this scenario, the alleged spying operation was not aimed against the United States, but at penetrating or monitoring radical fund-raising and support networks in Muslim communities like Paterson, N.J., which was one of the places where several of the hijackers lived in the months prior to Sept. 11.

For the FBI, deciphering the truth from the five Israelis proved to be difficult. One of them, Paul Kurzberg, refused to take a lie-detector test for 10 weeks — then failed it, according to his lawyer. Another of his lawyers told us Kurzberg had been reluctant to take the test because he had once worked for Israeli intelligence in another country.

 

[BlindBoo]

But when he said it didn't it have the ring of "Truthiness" to it?

Like the Presidents Birth Certificate!

Deep down in his gut (and in the guts of his ardent following) it felt so right.

Facts be damned.

Jedi Donald.......

 

[BlindBoo]

It seems that the fact checker employed by the Washington Post failed to check his own freaking mulch rag. The Washington Post reported Muslems cheering after 9-11

Bullshit.
Nowhere does the article say "Muslims" and in fact the celebrants were found to be ISRAELIS.

“In Jersey City, within two hours of two jetliners plowing into the World Trade Center, law enforcement authorities detained and questioned a number of people who were allegedly seen celebrating the attacks and holding tailgate-style parties on rooftops while they watched the devastation on the other side of the river.”

I remember they were caught in a white van........

 

[BlindBoo]

Dear Lefties...

Are you getting the impression that the American People have reached a tipping point, on the subject of Muslims, and Syrian refugees, and that they're no longer listening to Leftist arguments on the subject, regardless of what the other side says?

Rather than piss and moan about The Opposition, or how The People are Wrong, perhaps it's time to ask yourselves whether you finally went overboard with excuse-making for Islam and its large and dangerous and growing offspring - Militant Islam.

Vast numbers of your fellow countrymen have grown tired of listening to your excuse-making and faux equivalencies and moral relativism.

To the point where your arguments are now oftentimes falling upon deaf ears, even when The Opposition is making outrageous claims, and even when you're (quite possibly) more right than wrong, on paper, anyway, in contemplating the balance between Constitutionality and Safety.

When the American People at-large stop listening to you, and start backing The Alternative - regardless of how outrageously that Alternative might manifest from time to time - it's time for you to take a good, long, hard look at your own message, and your timing and delivery and style.

But you won't.

As a collective or hive-mind, you're far too smug and arrogant to undertake such a holistic self-examination and to undertake corrective action, in time to do you any good, on any appreciable scale.

All in all, you appear to have 'lost the audience' for a while.

Perhaps it's just as well.

We're entering another dangerous phase, and we don't need another leadership cadre channeling the ghosts of Neville Chamberlain et al.

Nah, it's just the Faux Bubbleheads who believe that alternate reality shit.

 

[bodecea]

It seems that the fact checker employed by the Washington Post failed to check his own freaking mulch rag. The Washington Post reported Muslems cheering after 9-11

In Jersey City, New Jersey as Trump claimed...and continues to claim?

 

[candycorn]

Fact-checkers are shredding Donald Trump's claims he saw people 'cheering' on 9/11 — Trump demands apology

He is either addled or a liar. There were no cheering crowds across the Hudson cheering the fall of the towers.

His supporters sold out on being conseravtives.
His supporters sold out on being fiscally responisble.
His supporters sold out on being remotely truthful.
It will be curious to see if they are ready to go all in with Mr. Trump and assume the ridiculous position of 9/11 truthers.

 

[chikenwing]

The problem is that most of his supporters will ignore the fact that Trump is a liar.

You haven't proven any such thing,read the OP artical again ,is has more holes than Swiss cheese.
Making a blanket statement,especially, coming from someone like yourself,doesn't make it true,no matter how much you wish it did.
There was plenty of cheering Muslims around the world,including here in the USA,denying that just shows how much of a mindless hack those deniers really are.

 

[bodecea]

Northern New Jersey Draws Probers' Eyes

Yeah, that's not thousands. That wasn't on TV as Trump claimed. And there's no mention of celebrations or dancing by Muslims.

So.......Muslims existing in Jersey City. Well at least that part of Trump's story wasn't complete horseshit.

none of his story is "horseshit" except his "I SAW IT ON TV"-----I did not see it on TV------but I knew it was happening-------I did see it on Atlantic Ave-----what I saw
on Atlantic Ave.-----I did NOT see on TV I did not see it in Paterson, NJ---but
it was described to me-----I did not see it in Ramallah either-----but it was described
to me-------SO? his memory played a trick------he PICTURES in his mind what he
was told was happening

Continue to make excuses.

 

[candycorn]

The Washington Post September 18, 2001 edition describes muslems holding tailgate parties in New Jersey celebrating 9-11. Google it up.

from your source:

Trump says that he saw this with his own eyes on television and that it was well covered. But an extensive examination of news clips from that period turns up nothing. There were some reports of celebrations overseas, in Muslim countries, but nothing that we can find involving the Arab populations of New Jersey except for unconfirmed reports. (Some conspiracy Web sites cite a column by controversial blogger and commentator Debbie Schlussel, who is highly critical of Muslims, that makes a reference to an MTV broadcast of protests and riots in Paterson, N.J.; this claim has never been authenticated.) As the Newark Star-Ledger put it in an article on Sept. 18, 2001, “rumors of rooftop celebrations of the attack by Muslims here proved unfounded.”

 

[candycorn]

The problem is that most of his supporters will ignore the fact that Trump is a liar.

You haven't proven any such thing,read the OP artical again ,is has more holes than Swiss cheese.
Making a blanket statement,especially, coming from someone like yourself,doesn't make it true,no matter how much you wish it did.
There was plenty of cheering Muslims around the world,including here in the USA,denying that just shows how much of a mindless hack those deniers really are.

He says he saw "thousands and thousands" in New Jersey on the television.
Clearly a lie.

 

[BlindBoo]

The problem is that most of his supporters will ignore the fact that Trump is a liar.

You haven't proven any such thing,read the OP artical again ,is has more holes than Swiss cheese.
Making a blanket statement,especially, coming from someone like yourself,doesn't make it true,no matter how much you wish it did.
There was plenty of cheering Muslims around the world,including here in the USA,denying that just shows how much of a mindless hack those deniers really are.

Bull pucky. Muslims in this country knew to be scared of the backlash from the reactionaries.

Trump will forever be known as Donald the Liar.

But what do you expect from a birther.

 

[JakeStarkey]

And the Brown Shirts like Wildman defend Trump.

No presidency for Trump, no militia for Wildman.

 

[JakeStarkey]

"There was plenty of cheering Muslims around the world,including here in the USA,denying that just shows how much of a mindless hack those deniers really are."

Trump made the statement about thousands of cheering Muslims in NJ, and he was wrong.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

The problem is that most of his supporters will ignore the fact that Trump is a liar.

I don't think Obama and Clinton supporters have any wiggle room talking about liars.

 

[Jeddahite]

Actually, Trump's quote was that he saw people celebrating. He didn't say that there was any public record of it in existence or he saw such a public record. Does the fact that there was no public record made in a newspaper actually show that it didn't exist? No! because we know that the newspaper doesn't cover a lot of things. A good example is the unemployment situation. The liberal newspapers don't cover it and liberals think it doesn't exist.

"Thousands and thousands".....and yet no record of it on the day or after that America pulled together in support against a common enemy. Those thousands would have been torn limb from limb if there had been any such demonstration. Shame on Trump for once again dividing instead of uniting.

 

[Jeddahite]

Actually, Trump's quote was that he saw people celebrating. He didn't say that there was any public record of it in existence or he saw such a public record. Does the fact that there was no public record made in a newspaper actually show that it didn't exist? No! because we know that the newspaper doesn't cover a lot of things. A good example is the unemployment situation. The liberal newspapers don't cover it and liberals think it doesn't exist.

He specifically said he saw "the film" on TV.

 

[Misty]

Fact-checkers are shredding Donald Trump's claims he saw people 'cheering' on 9/11 — Trump demands apology

He is either addled or a liar. There were no cheering crowds across the Hudson cheering the fall of the towers.

Ya this fact checker didn't even check his own publication which had an article about what trump said.

So now another publication has ruined their reputation.

Can't trust anyone, my mantra.