Fascism

[danielpalos]

nothing but fantasy from the right?

What fantasy is that?

you tell me; it is your continuance and diversion instead of a valid argument. are you into, affirmative action? or, do you prefer to "mooch" off those who do.

 

[danielpalos]

it is the right that wants our Warfare-State on Crime, Drugs, Poverty, and Terror. There is no welfare-State.

You typing this tripe from the democrat plantation?

still nothing but fallacy instead of a valid argument from the right; how laissez-fair of you.

Your words give you away....

so do your fallacies. nothing but continuance and diversion?

What fallacies are they?

nothing but continuance and diversion?

 

[Iceweasel]

I vote we abolish our wars on crime, drugs, poverty, and terror, to abolish our income tax. that is left wing fantasy.

Legalize everything! Boom. No more crime!

personal responsibility, what a concept. only the right prefers to subsidize bad morals, so the rich can get richer faster.

You make no sense. Your thoughts are scattered and disjointed. The only thing connecting them is hate.

 

[danielpalos]

I vote we abolish our wars on crime, drugs, poverty, and terror, to abolish our income tax. that is left wing fantasy.

Legalize everything! Boom. No more crime!

personal responsibility, what a concept. only the right prefers to subsidize bad morals, so the rich can get richer faster.

You make no sense. Your thoughts are scattered and disjointed. The only thing connecting them is hate.

there you go again, subsidizing bad morals.

 

[owebo]

nothing but fantasy from the right?

What fantasy is that?

you tell me; it is your continuance and diversion instead of a valid argument. are you into, affirmative action? or, do you prefer to "mooch" off those who do.

No...you tell us, you said it.....

 

[danielpalos]

I vote we abolish our wars on crime, drugs, poverty, and terror, to abolish our income tax. that is left wing fantasy.

 

[owebo]

I vote we abolish our wars on crime, drugs, poverty, and terror, to abolish our income tax. that is left wing fantasy.

You're complaining about your fascism.....priceless....

 

[danielpalos]

I vote we abolish our wars on crime, drugs, poverty, and terror, to abolish our income tax. that is left wing fantasy.

You're complaining about your fascism.....priceless....

i am trying to pander to the right wing, regarding taxes.

 

[Iceweasel]

I vote we abolish our wars on crime, drugs, poverty, and terror, to abolish our income tax. that is left wing fantasy.

Legalize everything! Boom. No more crime!

personal responsibility, what a concept. only the right prefers to subsidize bad morals, so the rich can get richer faster.

You make no sense. Your thoughts are scattered and disjointed. The only thing connecting them is hate.

there you go again, subsidizing bad morals.

You make no sense. Your thoughts are scattered and disjointed. The only thing connecting them is hate.

 

[owebo]

I vote we abolish our wars on crime, drugs, poverty, and terror, to abolish our income tax. that is left wing fantasy.

You're complaining about your fascism.....priceless....

i am trying to pander to the right wing, regarding taxes.

It's what fascists do.....

 

[danielpalos]

I vote we abolish our wars on crime, drugs, poverty, and terror, to abolish our income tax. that is left wing fantasy.

Legalize everything! Boom. No more crime!

personal responsibility, what a concept. only the right prefers to subsidize bad morals, so the rich can get richer faster.

You make no sense. Your thoughts are scattered and disjointed. The only thing connecting them is hate.

there you go again, subsidizing bad morals.

You make no sense. Your thoughts are scattered and disjointed. The only thing connecting them is hate.

Why do you believe it is hate? It seems like economics, to me. Why not abolish our wars on crime, drugs, poverty and terror to abolish our fascist, PoliceStateUSA and end our income tax.

 

[danielpalos]

I vote we abolish our wars on crime, drugs, poverty, and terror, to abolish our income tax. that is left wing fantasy.

You're complaining about your fascism.....priceless....

i am trying to pander to the right wing, regarding taxes.

It's what fascists do.....

nope; fascists require a work ethic from the Age of Iron as that form of Socialism, not capitalism which requires voluntary social transactions.

 

[owebo]

Legalize everything! Boom. No more crime!

personal responsibility, what a concept. only the right prefers to subsidize bad morals, so the rich can get richer faster.

You make no sense. Your thoughts are scattered and disjointed. The only thing connecting them is hate.

there you go again, subsidizing bad morals.

You make no sense. Your thoughts are scattered and disjointed. The only thing connecting them is hate.

Why do you believe it is hate? It seems like economics, to me. Why not abolish our wars on crime, drugs, poverty and terror to abolish our fascist, PoliceStateUSA and end our income tax.

We should have most of your fascism stomped out in the next 100 days.....

 

[danielpalos]

personal responsibility, what a concept. only the right prefers to subsidize bad morals, so the rich can get richer faster.

You make no sense. Your thoughts are scattered and disjointed. The only thing connecting them is hate.

there you go again, subsidizing bad morals.

You make no sense. Your thoughts are scattered and disjointed. The only thing connecting them is hate.

Why do you believe it is hate? It seems like economics, to me. Why not abolish our wars on crime, drugs, poverty and terror to abolish our fascist, PoliceStateUSA and end our income tax.

We should have most of your fascism stomped out in the next 100 days.....

why? are we going to abolish our intrusive, and fascist, income tax?

 

[Wry Catcher]

Please review the following two links on fascism and what we have observed since the election of Donald Trump to the office of POTUS.


Fourteen Defining Characteristics Of Fascism

Donald Trump and the 14 signs of Fascism • /r/politics

Consider the promises made by Mr. Trump during the time before he received the nomination of the Republican Party, his rhetoric before his election after being nominated, and his rhetoric since being elected to POTUS?

The author of the first article is an unqualified quack. He has no credentials that would make him an authority on fascism. Furthermore, he provides absolutely no justification for any of his so-called "characteristics."

You only proved that you're a great big sucker. I see this shit posted in this forum about 4-6 times a year.

Thanks for sharing your usual disputatious comment, too bad you cannot post a proper rebuttal. If the 14 points do not define fascism (small f, is significant) it does define authoritarianism - which is in direct conflict with your anti government, anti democratic, anti republican misanthropy. Methinks you enjoy chaos, and the brain that does so is clearly a bubble off center.

 

[owebo]

You make no sense. Your thoughts are scattered and disjointed. The only thing connecting them is hate.

there you go again, subsidizing bad morals.

You make no sense. Your thoughts are scattered and disjointed. The only thing connecting them is hate.

Why do you believe it is hate? It seems like economics, to me. Why not abolish our wars on crime, drugs, poverty and terror to abolish our fascist, PoliceStateUSA and end our income tax.

We should have most of your fascism stomped out in the next 100 days.....

why? are we going to abolish our intrusive, and fascist, income tax?

One step at a time.....

 

[owebo]

Please review the following two links on fascism and what we have observed since the election of Donald Trump to the office of POTUS.


Fourteen Defining Characteristics Of Fascism

Donald Trump and the 14 signs of Fascism • /r/politics

Consider the promises made by Mr. Trump during the time before he received the nomination of the Republican Party, his rhetoric before his election after being nominated, and his rhetoric since being elected to POTUS?

The author of the first article is an unqualified quack. He has no credentials that would make him an authority on fascism. Furthermore, he provides absolutely no justification for any of his so-called "characteristics."

You only proved that you're a great big sucker. I see this shit posted in this forum about 4-6 times a year.

Thanks for sharing your usual disputatious comment, too bad you cannot post a proper rebuttal. If the 14 points do not define fascism (small f, is significant) it does define authoritarianism - which is in direct conflict with your anti government, anti democratic, anti republican misanthropy. Methinks you enjoy chaos, and the brain that does so is clearly a bubble off center.

Fascists love you anti-intelligence types....

 

[Wry Catcher]

Definitions of fascism - Wikipedia

Umberto Eco
In his 1995 essay "Eternal Fascism", Umberto Eco lists fourteen general properties of fascist ideology.[11] He argues that it is not possible to organise these into a coherent system, but that "it is enough that one of them be present to allow fascism to coagulate around it". He uses the term "Ur-fascism" as a generic description of different historical forms of fascism. The fourteen properties are as follows:

• "The Cult of Tradition", characterized by cultural syncretism, even at the risk of internal contradiction. When all truth has already been revealed by Tradition, no new learning can occur, only further interpretation and refinement.
• "The Rejection of modernism", which views the rationalistic development of Western culture since the Enlightenment as a descent into depravity. Eco distinguishes this from a rejection of superficial technological advancement, as many fascist regimes cite their industrial potency as proof of the vitality of their system.
• "The Cult of Action for Action's Sake", which dictates that action is of value in itself, and should be taken without intellectual reflection. This, says Eco, is connected with anti-intellectualism and irrationalism, and often manifests in attacks on modern culture and science.
• "Disagreement Is Treason" – Fascism devalues intellectual discourse and critical reasoning as barriers to action, as well as out of fear that such analysis will expose the contradictions embodied in a syncretistic faith.
• "Fear of Difference", which fascism seeks to exploit and exacerbate, often in the form of racism or an appeal against foreigners and immigrants.
• "Appeal to a Frustrated Middle Class", fearing economic pressure from the demands and aspirations of lower social groups.
• "Obsession with a Plot" and the hyping-up of an enemy threat. This often combines an appeal to xenophobia with a fear of disloyalty and sabotage from marginalized groups living within the society (such as the German elite's 'fear' of the 1930s Jewish populace's businesses and well-doings; see also anti-Semitism). Eco also cites Pat Robertson's book The New World Order as a prominent example of a plot obsession.
• Fascist societies rhetorically cast their enemies as "at the same time too strong and too weak." On the one hand, fascists play up the power of certain disfavored elites to encourage in their followers a sense of grievance and humiliation. On the other hand, fascist leaders point to the decadence of those elites as proof of their ultimate feebleness in the face of an overwhelming popular will.
• "Pacifism is Trafficking with the Enemy" because "Life is Permanent Warfare" – there must always be an enemy to fight. Both fascist Germany under Hitler and Italy under Mussolini worked first to organize and clean up their respective countries and then build the war machines that they later intended to and did use, despite Germany being under restrictions of the Versailles treaty to NOT build a military force. This principle leads to a fundamental contradiction within fascism: the incompatibility of ultimate triumph with perpetual war.
• "Contempt for the Weak", which is uncomfortably married to a chauvinistic popular elitism, in which every member of society is superior to outsiders by virtue of belonging to the in-group. Eco sees in these attitudes the root of a deep tension in the fundamentally hierarchical structure of fascist polities, as they encourage leaders to despise their underlings, up to the ultimate Leader who holds the whole country in contempt for having allowed him to overtake it by force.
• "Everybody is Educated to Become a Hero", which leads to the embrace of a cult of death. As Eco observes, "[t]he Ur-Fascist hero is impatient to die. In his impatience, he more frequently sends other people to death."
• "Machismo", which sublimates the difficult work of permanent war and heroism into the sexual sphere. Fascists thus hold "both disdain for women and intolerance and condemnation of nonstandard sexual habits, from chastity to homosexuality."
• "Selective Populism" – The People, conceived monolithically, have a Common Will, distinct from and superior to the viewpoint of any individual. As no mass of people can ever be truly unanimous, the Leader holds himself out as the interpreter of the popular will (though truly he dictates it). Fascists use this concept to delegitimize democratic institutions they accuse of "no longer represent[ing] the Voice of the People."
• "Newspeak" – Fascism employs and promotes an impoverished vocabulary in order to limit critical reasoning.

Sound familiar....?

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Every one of those "characteristics" fits progressive, communist, socialist and religious theocracies as well. That's the problem with the list, it is so non specific, and general, as to be useless other than showing that pretty much all collectivist government systems suck in some manner or other.

Another dishonest post, using the half-truth, a lie by omission. These characteristics do not define the liberal or progressive; and each of the other noted ideologies can but are not always examples of an Authoritarian Regime, which is what fascism (small f) is too. Do try to think and consider with whatever amount of sagacious ability you might have on each of the 14 points, and compare them with the words of P-e Trump.

 

[Divine Wind]

You cannot change the definition of fascist, It describes liberal leftist dimocrats EXACTLY. The current occupant, and the bitchqueen also are exact matches for the REAL definition of fascist. BOOHOOO BOOGER EATING HOO. You have been schooled but I know you are too shallow egotistical and immature to realize it because that describes liberals too.

Trying to turn fascism into a leftist ideology is the rightwingnut's Holy Grail.

It's really quite,simple....which is why you LWNJs try to complicate it in order to hide from the facts....

Like I said, it's your Holy Grail. You can't man up and own that extremist rightwing ideologies are just as icky as extremist leftwing ideologies. In fact...they resemble each other far more than their moderate counterparts.

We know where you stand....sadly...

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A more accurate representation of political ideologies and Fascism:The Political Compass
Why is Hitler slightly right? The Nazis were socialists, so they weren't fascists either.

Let's start with the second part first. Some respondents confuse Nazism, a political party platform, with fascism, which is a particular structure of government. Fascism legally sanctions the persecution of a particular group within the country — political, ethnic, religious — whatever. So within Nazism there are elements of fascism, as well as militarism, capitalism, socialism etc. To tar all socialists with the national socialist brush is as absurd as citing Bill Gates and Augusto Pinochet in the same breath as examples of free market capitalism.

Economically, Hitler was well to the right of Stalin. Post-war investigations led to a number of revelations about the cosy relationship between German corporations and the Reich. No such scandals subsequently surfaced in Russia, because Stalin had totally squashed the private sector. By contrast, once in power, the Nazis achieved rearmament through deficit spending. One of our respondents has correctly pointed out that they actively discouraged demand increases because they wanted infrastructure investment. Under the Reich, corporations were largely left to govern themselves, with the incentive that if they kept prices under control, they would be rewarded with government contracts. Hardly a socialist economic agenda!

But Nazi corporate ties extended well beyond Germany. It is an extraordinarily little known fact that in 1933 a cabal of Wall Street financiers and industrialists plotted an armed coup against President Roosevelt and the US Constitutional form of government. The coup planners — all of them deeply hostile to socialism — were enthusiastic supporters of German national socialism and Italian fascism. Details of the little publicised Congressional report on the failed coup may be read in 1000 Americans:The Real Rulers of the USA by George Seldes.

Fascism, according to the American Heritage Dictionary (1983) is A system of government that exercises a dictatorship of the extreme right, typically through the merging of state and business leadership, together with belligerent nationalism. Italian philosopher Giovanni Gentile's entry in the Encyclopedia Italiana read: Fascism should more appropriately be called corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power. No less an authority on fascism than Mussolini was so pleased with that definition that he later claimed credit for it.

Nevertheless, within certain US circles,the misconception remains that fascism is essentially left wing, and that the Nazis were socialists simply because of the "socialism" in their name. We wonder if respondents who insist on uncritically accepting the Nazis' cynical self-definition would be quite as eager to believe that the German Democratic Republic was democratic.



The Political Compass

A good breakdown of differences between Left and Right Wing:
Left Wing vs Right Wing - Difference and Comparison | Diffen

 

[Wry Catcher]

That was never anything more than a puerile attempt to derail the thread by harping on the shiny object of a URL.

NEIN

The OP should have known better than to use Rense as a source for anything. If you want people to focus on the object of your OP, don't site disreputable sources. I mean hey, the information might be fine, but Rense? Seriously?

If we're going to harp about "fake news" now, let's give equal scrutiny here, okay?

Point previously stated: I posted the first of many lists of the 14-points to show up when I googled, "list the 14-points of fascism". I had no idea who or what Rense was or is.

This criticism is valid, but it has no effect on the fact that fascist governments employ these 14 points in diverse authoritarian governments. They may also apply to nations which label themselves a People's Republic or a Democratic Republic, wherein the people are simply subjects and not citizens. (f)ascism is akin to totalitarianism but more directly connected to Authoritarianism. But words can be confusing, intentionally or otherwise, so let's simply describe the 14-points as the direct opposite of libertarianism.