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"Authoritarian" does not equate to "fascist." Authoritarian regimes have been around since civilization began. Fascism is supposedly an economic system. Nothing in the 14 points is related to economics. It's pure bullshit.
Correct about authoritarian. Fascism is a subset of authoritarian ideologies but not the same nor equal to.

Disagreed that fascism is an economic system. Democracy isn't an economic system either, capitalism is an economic system.
The inventors of fascism claim it's an economic system, and it's always compared and contrasted with socialism and capitalism. If it's not an economic system, then the term is utterly meaningless.
 
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"Authoritarian" does not equate to "fascist." Authoritarian regimes have been around since civilization began. Fascism is supposedly an economic system. Nothing in the 14 points is related to economics. It's pure bullshit.
Correct about authoritarian. Fascism is a subset of authoritarian ideologies but not the same nor equal to.

Disagreed that fascism is an economic system. Democracy isn't an economic system either, capitalism is an economic system.
The inventors of fascism claim it's an economic system, and it's always compared and contrasted with socialism and capitalism. If it's not an economic system, then the term is utterly meaningless.


The following quotes are interesting and sure to get the "hackles" of the left up
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A. "...above all the unity of a nation's spirit and will are worth far more than the freedom of the spirit and will of an individual... By this we understand only the individual's capacity to make sacrifices for the community, for his fellow men."

B. "The [] people must march forward as a trained and loyal army willing to sacrifice for the good of a common discipline."

C. "...moral law, binding together individual and the generations into a tradition and a mission, suppressing the instinct for a life enclosed within the brief round of pleasure in order to restore within duty a higher life free from the limits of time and space."



The choices are Adolf Hitler, Benito Mussolini, and Franklin Delano Roosevelt
Who said which?
 
Once AGAIN ---- what the URL says when it's quoting a widely-circulated study is wholly irrelevant. It's not their original material. I don't know Jeff Rense from Mike Pence, nor do I need to. They're quoting an outside source. Put the same text in a book or in a different URL ------- AND IT'S STILL THE SAME TEXT.

I could care less what you think is relevant.

If I cited a verbatim copy of the Constitution from a site like Breitbart, would you condemn the source too? Of course you would! Don't sit there and mince words with me.

Fine. I'm going to start doing that. I'll see how far I get before liberals start attacking the source.

Absolute fucking bullshit. Now you're compounding a Poison the Well fallacy with a Speculation, and an unfounded one at that. Why the fuck would I condemn a source that was copying something verbatim?? Only an idiot would do that.

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Only an idiot would think that an opinion piece is made credible by the fact several people have reprinted it.

On one of the points, the individual who lacks any credentials mentioned the opposition to terrorism which was OBVIOUSLY tailored to appeal to leftist sensibilities and has absolutely no basis in fact.

Dogshit once again offers opinions based on nothing but his/her biases and emotions, emotions of false pathos and other pretense his/her kind use as cover for their callous conservatism and ignorance. Citing a supposed fact without evidence or links is one more example of someone with a poor education and a person who matriculated at the echo chamber.
Your "14 points" are nothing but biases and emotions.

Of course, and everything you post is logical and pragmatic.
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I could care less what you think is relevant.

If I cited a verbatim copy of the Constitution from a site like Breitbart, would you condemn the source too? Of course you would! Don't sit there and mince words with me.

Fine. I'm going to start doing that. I'll see how far I get before liberals start attacking the source.

Absolute fucking bullshit. Now you're compounding a Poison the Well fallacy with a Speculation, and an unfounded one at that. Why the fuck would I condemn a source that was copying something verbatim?? Only an idiot would do that.

:dig:
Only an idiot would think that an opinion piece is made credible by the fact several people have reprinted it.

On one of the points, the individual who lacks any credentials mentioned the opposition to terrorism which was OBVIOUSLY tailored to appeal to leftist sensibilities and has absolutely no basis in fact.

Dogshit once again offers opinions based on nothing but his/her biases and emotions, emotions of false pathos and other pretense his/her kind use as cover for their callous conservatism and ignorance. Citing a supposed fact without evidence or links is one more example of someone with a poor education and a person who matriculated at the echo chamber.
Your "14 points" are nothing but biases and emotions.

Of course, and everything you post is logical and pragmatic.
---SARCASM ALERT---
Yes, actually. Perhaps 1000 years from now your kind may come to understand that.
 
Yeah, because claiming Republicans are fascist isn't "partisan."

How does someone as brainless as you make his lungs work?
Wrong. Partisan Lefties call anyone to the right of themselves "fascists" even as they advocate a totalitarian socialist agenda run by the Liberal Elite.

Try dropping the partisanship and using your brain for more than a place to park your ballcap. Republicans aren't fascists, but neither is fascism the same as socialism. It's more right than left winged as shown above and most definitely authoritarian.
Wrong. Fascism is a form of socialism. It maintains the pretense of capitalism by allowing factory owners to retain a title that confers no rights on the possessor, but the government makes all the business decisions for the enterprise. The government determines what he produces, how much he produces, the prices he charges, the wages he pays, the profit he makes and every other decision that a business owner would normally make. It's socialism, pure and simple.
Leftists will do anything to hide the fact that fascism is of the left....I love the 4-quad propaganda the best.....

They deny their fascism almost as much as they deny starting the kkk....
 

All forms of statism have shared qualities


Quote- sounds like any general run of the mill radical leftist
that has taken over the Democratic party

“We are socialists, we are enemies of today’s capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak,
with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility
and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions."

Hayek defined Fascism :
"It is simply collectivism freed from all traces of an individualist tradition which might hamper its realization"



 
....They deny their fascism almost as much as they deny starting the kkk....
Correct about the KKK being started by Democrats. What party do most KKK, Sovereign Citizen, Christian Identity and other White Supremacists belong to today? Democrats or Republicans?
 
....They deny their fascism almost as much as they deny starting the kkk....
Correct about the KKK being started by Democrats. What party do most KKK, Sovereign Citizen, Christian Identity and other White Supremacists belong to today? Democrats or Republicans?

Nope, wrong.
Calvin Jones, Frank McCord, Capt. John Lester, Capt. John Kennedy, Richard Reed and James Crowe founded the Klan December 25 1865, in the law office of Jones' father where he was house-sitting. As a social group.

No evidence exists that any of them were politically connected or active at all. Period.

That Klan expired after a decade. Forty years after that it was restarted on Stone Mountain by one William J. "Colonel Joe" Simmons. No evidence exists of any political activity or affiliation for him either. Period.

As for the second part of the question, I continue to wait --- several years now --- for someone to explain what planet it is on which literally everyone belongs to a fucking political party anyway.
 
....They deny their fascism almost as much as they deny starting the kkk....
Correct about the KKK being started by Democrats. What party do most KKK, Sovereign Citizen, Christian Identity and other White Supremacists belong to today? Democrats or Republicans?

Nope, wrong.
Calvin Jones, Frank McCord, Capt. John Lester, Capt. John Kennedy, Richard Reed and James Crowe founded the Klan December 25 1865, in the law office of Jones' father where he was house-sitting. As a social group.

No evidence exists that any of them were politically connected or active at all. Period.

That Klan expired after a decade. Forty years after that it was restarted on Stone Mountain by one William J. "Colonel Joe" Simmons. No evidence exists of any political activity or affiliation for him either. Period.

As for the second part of the question, I continue to wait --- several years now --- for someone to explain what planet it is on which literally everyone belongs to a fucking political party anyway.
Everyone knows democrats started the kkk now....your attempts to hide your embarrassment are futile...

Now we're onto how you are the party of fascism....

What a winner of a party you picked....
 
Please review the following two links on fascism and what we have observed since the election of Donald Trump to the office of POTUS.


Fourteen Defining Characteristics Of Fascism

Donald Trump and the 14 signs of Fascism • /r/politics

Consider the promises made by Mr. Trump during the time before he received the nomination of the Republican Party, his rhetoric before his election after being nominated, and his rhetoric since being elected to POTUS?
He was very similar to the National Socialists in his speeches in that he spoke in plain, direct language.

Just because he has one of their good aspects, doesn't mean he's Hitler.
 
....They deny their fascism almost as much as they deny starting the kkk....
Correct about the KKK being started by Democrats. What party do most KKK, Sovereign Citizen, Christian Identity and other White Supremacists belong to today? Democrats or Republicans?

Nope, wrong.
Calvin Jones, Frank McCord, Capt. John Lester, Capt. John Kennedy, Richard Reed and James Crowe founded the Klan December 25 1865, in the law office of Jones' father where he was house-sitting. As a social group.

No evidence exists that any of them were politically connected or active at all. Period.

That Klan expired after a decade. Forty years after that it was restarted on Stone Mountain by one William J. "Colonel Joe" Simmons. No evidence exists of any political activity or affiliation for him either. Period.

As for the second part of the question, I continue to wait --- several years now --- for someone to explain what planet it is on which literally everyone belongs to a fucking political party anyway.
Everyone knows democrats started the kkk now....your attempts to hide your embarrassment are futile...

Now we're onto how you are the party of fascism....

What a winner of a party you picked....

Democrats are the party of the Three "S"
slavery, segregation and socialism


they are still racists...
they just changed races
 

That graph is a piece of propaganda intended to deceive. Below is how the political plain is properly divided:

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Liberalism isn't on the "left", Fingerboi.

If you limit yourself to two dimensions (which doesn't at all surprise me) it's better placed at the top where you have "Libertarian" sitting.

Wrong. Liberalism is indeed on the left. Not even your Komrades deny that. The one thing modern liberals don't believe in is liberty.
 
It's really quite,simple....which is why you LWNJs try to complicate it in order to hide from the facts....

Like I said, it's your Holy Grail. You can't man up and own that extremist rightwing ideologies are just as icky as extremist leftwing ideologies. In fact...they resemble each other far more than their moderate counterparts.
We know where you stand....sadly...

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A more accurate representation of political ideologies and Fascism:The Political Compass
Why is Hitler slightly right? The Nazis were socialists, so they weren't fascists either.

Let's start with the second part first. Some respondents confuse Nazism, a political party platform, with fascism, which is a particular structure of government. Fascism legally sanctions the persecution of a particular group within the country — political, ethnic, religious — whatever. So within Nazism there are elements of fascism, as well as militarism, capitalism, socialism etc. To tar all socialists with the national socialist brush is as absurd as citing Bill Gates and Augusto Pinochet in the same breath as examples of free market capitalism.

Economically, Hitler was well to the right of Stalin. Post-war investigations led to a number of revelations about the cosy relationship between German corporations and the Reich. No such scandals subsequently surfaced in Russia, because Stalin had totally squashed the private sector. By contrast, once in power, the Nazis achieved rearmament through deficit spending. One of our respondents has correctly pointed out that they actively discouraged demand increases because they wanted infrastructure investment. Under the Reich, corporations were largely left to govern themselves, with the incentive that if they kept prices under control, they would be rewarded with government contracts. Hardly a socialist economic agenda!

But Nazi corporate ties extended well beyond Germany. It is an extraordinarily little known fact that in 1933 a cabal of Wall Street financiers and industrialists plotted an armed coup against President Roosevelt and the US Constitutional form of government. The coup planners — all of them deeply hostile to socialism — were enthusiastic supporters of German national socialism and Italian fascism. Details of the little publicised Congressional report on the failed coup may be read in 1000 Americans:The Real Rulers of the USA by George Seldes.

Fascism, according to the American Heritage Dictionary (1983) is A system of government that exercises a dictatorship of the extreme right, typically through the merging of state and business leadership, together with belligerent nationalism. Italian philosopher Giovanni Gentile's entry in the Encyclopedia Italiana read: Fascism should more appropriately be called corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power. No less an authority on fascism than Mussolini was so pleased with that definition that he later claimed credit for it.

Nevertheless, within certain US circles,the misconception remains that fascism is essentially left wing, and that the Nazis were socialists simply because of the "socialism" in their name. We wonder if respondents who insist on uncritically accepting the Nazis' cynical self-definition would be quite as eager to believe that the German Democratic Republic was democratic.




The Political Compass
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A good breakdown of differences between Left and Right Wing:
Left Wing vs Right Wing - Difference and Comparison | Diffen
First rule of thumb when dealing with fascism: resist the propaganda......
First rule of partisanship: Leave your brain at the door.

Second rule of partisanship: Education is evil.

....They deny their fascism almost as much as they deny starting the kkk....
Correct about the KKK being started by Democrats. What party do most KKK, Sovereign Citizen, Christian Identity and other White Supremacists belong to today? Democrats or Republicans?

Discussions like these always end up in exercises of protecting one's turf. The more a person invests their ego in their party affiliation nor sense of left/right ideological schism, the more fiercely they deny anything negative attached to such.

This thread was started by one such, whose understanding of the world is extremely limited. If you told this boy that liking dogs was a "conservative" trait, he would kick a few puppies to the curb just to make sure. In turn, this thread has attracted some who are resolutely conservative, who ALSO indulge in similar processes. It become a game of label first and then react against the label.

Yes, the early kkk was composed of democrats and yes, the current white racists are mostly republican, if anything. By the same token, racist blacks are more likely democrat. When people have a dog in the race, such matters often escape them, however.
 

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