Father Arrested For Protesting A Book

[koshergrl]

Yes I know that...he was arrested by an officer at the directive of a school board member. I know that because I watched the clip. Perhaps you should do.

In the meantime, you're a fucking idiot. We don't generally arrest people for talking at school board meetings. Which is why the school board is now reviewing its policy.

 

[Noomi]

So should he have been allowed to speak for five minutes? Ten minutes? How long can he speak for? How much time can he waste?

 

[eagle1462010]

So should he have been allowed to speak for five minutes? Ten minutes? How long can he speak for? How much time can he waste?

Voicing your opinion to what your kids are taught is now a waste..............

He spoke less than 3 minutes total. To a School Board Hag that refused to even address the topic.

Set up.

Period. Just because you believe smut should be taught in school is not justification for others having to believe as you do. Even in the video, they should have received the notice to OPT OUT of the assignment BEFORE the kids were handed the book as an assignment.

But alas, why the hell should a book have to have that BS in it in our schools anyway. Their are plenty of GOOD books out there that wouldn't even require a notice from the school anyway.

But those days are gone aren't they...............

Back in our older days, do you really think that they would have accepted this in the class room...........They would have been looking for another job back then.

 

[Noomi]

So should he have been allowed to speak for five minutes? Ten minutes? How long can he speak for? How much time can he waste?

Voicing your opinion to what your kids are taught is now a waste..............

He spoke less than 3 minutes total. To a School Board Hag that refused to even address the topic.

Set up.

Period. Just because you believe smut should be taught in school is not justification for others having to believe as you do. Even in the video, they should have received the notice to OPT OUT of the assignment BEFORE the kids were handed the book as an assignment.

But alas, why the hell should a book have to have that BS in it in our schools anyway. Their are plenty of GOOD books out there that wouldn't even require a notice from the school anyway.

But those days are gone aren't they...............

Back in our older days, do you really think that they would have accepted this in the class room...........They would have been looking for another job back then.

Your kids read a lot worse when you are not around.

 

[koshergrl]

Wow, you just really do hate children, don't you?

 

[Politico]

Father Arrested For Protesting A Book

No he wasn't.

 

[JoeB131]

So we should make them read sexually explicit literature. Just in case their young minds aren't suitably engaged.

Got it.

A fourteen year old is more than mature enough to read that paragraph. You are deluded if you think they are not.

Koch-erGrlll isn't mature enough to read that paragraph, that's kind of the problem here.

 

[JoeB131]

So should he have been allowed to speak for five minutes? Ten minutes? How long can he speak for? How much time can he waste?

Voicing your opinion to what your kids are taught is now a waste..............

He spoke less than 3 minutes total. To a School Board Hag that refused to even address the topic.

Set up.

Period. Just because you believe smut should be taught in school is not justification for others having to believe as you do. Even in the video, they should have received the notice to OPT OUT of the assignment BEFORE the kids were handed the book as an assignment.

But alas, why the hell should a book have to have that BS in it in our schools anyway. Their are plenty of GOOD books out there that wouldn't even require a notice from the school anyway.

But those days are gone aren't they...............

Back in our older days, do you really think that they would have accepted this in the class room...........They would have been looking for another job back then.

again, I'm not sure what you mean by the "Old Days".

I went to High School in the 1970's, where they subjected us to George Orwell's 1984, which has a couple of sexually explicit passages in it, including one involving a prostitute.

And this was in a CATHOLIC school.

 

[JoeB131]

obscenity is a very nebulous concept. it requires there be absolutely no redeeming social value.

so no.....

Exactly. You can ban the Bible and Shakespeare under Eagle's interpreation of "obscenity".

Many churches offer Christian books that are age appropriate. The Bible states that a Christian starts with the "milk" of the Word before maturing enough to chew on the "meat" of the Word. Lots of churches offer Sunday school classes separate and apart from the main church hall during the main sermon. Parents are encouraged to present age appropriate material to their children as they age and mature. It's really not rocket science.

No, guy, what the Churches do is "Disney-fy" the horrible stories in the bible, because, frankly, read in context, Yahweh comes off as a savage god of barbarian bronze age assholes. Because he was made up by savage, bronze age assholes. Truly, as made up sky pixies go, we'd all have been better off worshiping Zeus today.

So while the nuns were happy to tell us that God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah over their "wickedness" of being into the Ghey, (hilarious because by 8th grade, we realized these nuns were more lesbian than a Dykes on Bikes convention) they left out the parts where Lot offered up his daughters for gang-rape or had drunken sex with them himself.

Also, I never heard the story about how Jephthah butchered and burned his pre-teen daughter because he made a foolish oath to God (Judges 11, look it up) in Catholic School. I didn't get to hear that fun shit until I became an Atheist.

Bottom line? It's totally inappropriate for a bunch of liberal progressives to foist hardcore porn upon 14 year old school girls. The parents of young children SHOULD be able to entrust their children to educators with a modicum of common sense and at least a thimble full of good judgment.

This is one page of rather tame prose describing sex in a 300 page novel. It's hardly "Hard-core porn". It doesn't even include pictures!

and your teenagers have found much racier stuff on the internet.

 

[wavingrl]

Exactly. You can ban the Bible and Shakespeare under Eagle's interpreation of "obscenity".

Many churches offer Christian books that are age appropriate. The Bible states that a Christian starts with the "milk" of the Word before maturing enough to chew on the "meat" of the Word. Lots of churches offer Sunday school classes separate and apart from the main church hall during the main sermon. Parents are encouraged to present age appropriate material to their children as they age and mature. It's really not rocket science.

No, guy, what the Churches do is "Disney-fy" the horrible stories in the bible, because, frankly, read in context, Yahweh comes off as a savage god of barbarian bronze age assholes. Because he was made up by savage, bronze age assholes. Truly, as made up sky pixies go, we'd all have been better off worshiping Zeus today.

So while the nuns were happy to tell us that God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah over their "wickedness" of being into the Ghey, (hilarious because by 8th grade, we realized these nuns were more lesbian than a Dykes on Bikes convention) they left out the parts where Lot offered up his daughters for gang-rape or had drunken sex with them himself.

Also, I never heard the story about how Jephthah butchered and burned his pre-teen daughter because he made a foolish oath to God (Judges 11, look it up) in Catholic School. I didn't get to hear that fun shit until I became an Atheist.

Bottom line? It's totally inappropriate for a bunch of liberal progressives to foist hardcore porn upon 14 year old school girls. The parents of young children SHOULD be able to entrust their children to educators with a modicum of common sense and at least a thimble full of good judgment.

This is one page of rather tame prose describing sex in a 300 page novel. It's hardly "Hard-core porn". It doesn't even include pictures!

and your teenagers have found much racier stuff on the internet.

not to mention the nightly news.

What I have gleaned from this thread---

--School board generally sends out a letter to parents prior to this assigned reading--failed to do so this time--agreed to send letter after this meeting

--80% of the parents approved--10% undecided--and 10% declined

Back and forth it can be argued--if this is a current issue--do you confront it-- or not?

This parent should get a copy of the reading lists and take a close look at everything his child may read in the next few years. Probably won't be very happy--but perhaps he should make other arrangements for his child.

 

[koshergrl]

Something you missed....

school boards answer to the parents, and the teachers answer to the board.

Parents don't have to just suffer crappy and exploitive teachers.

 

[Esmeralda]

obscenity is a very nebulous concept. it requires there be absolutely no redeeming social value.

so no.....

Exactly. You can ban the Bible and Shakespeare under Eagle's interpreation of "obscenity".

Many churches offer Christian books that are age appropriate. The Bible states that a Christian starts with the "milk" of the Word before maturing enough to chew on the "meat" of the Word. Lots of churches offer Sunday school classes separate and apart from the main church hall during the main sermon. Parents are encouraged to present age appropriate material to their children as they age and mature. It's really not rocket science.

Bottom line? It's totally inappropriate for a bunch of liberal progressives to foist hardcore porn upon 14 year old school girls. The parents of young children SHOULD be able to entrust their children to educators with a modicum of common sense and at least a thimble full of good judgment.

Hard core porn is the very last thing this book is. How silly to suggest such a thing. Totally unreasonable. Fourteen year olds are not young children; they are teenagers well on their way to becoming adults and having to deal with the adult world. Based on your expressed perspective, Romeo and Juliet is obscene and pornographic.

Everyone is assuming that sex between teenagers is obscene and not age appropriate for teenagers to read about, and that this morality is based in Christian values. Do you people not realize that in Biblical times, females were married and having sex and babies at around 13 years old.? The shock and horror you are all expressing about teenagers being exposed to a written scene where people their age are having sex is fairly silly. It is age appropriate for them to be aware of sex. The passage in the book is not written for prurient purposes but to depict reality. The book is not promoting sex between teenagers nor endorsing it, it is simply depicting it as a part of some teenagers' reality. To shield your kids from reality is actually not very smart. They need to be aware of the realities of life and think about how to deal with them. That is the purpose of this particular book being read in school. It is realism. It allows students to think about the issues we and those around us face in life. You are just not going to find any book worth reading that does not on some level deal seriously with the human condition.

 

[koshergrl]

So you advocate distributing sexually explicit material to 14 year olds in the classroom.

Thanks for admitting it.

You do realize it's illegal for anybody else to do this, right?

 

[wavingrl]

Something you missed....

school boards answer to the parents, and the teachers answer to the board.

Parents don't have to just suffer crappy and exploitive teachers.

did you miss that the book has been on an approved list for this system since 2007?

As for 'the teachers'---go further---ALA---American Library Association and I don't know how many other organizations---the books are written and evaluated --then used by teachers.

Sounds like in this community--and I infer many others---the majority of the parents do not have issues with this book.

Literature--writers write about conflict---I don't see how you get around that.

I vaguely recall reading 'The Scarlett Letter' and others and wondering--'what'? I was quite sheltered. When I read the books of Pearl S. Buck--more questions. neither here nor there.

Around the same age I read the James Bond books--not assigned reading---read about some things that a young lady of my age 'shouldn't' know about.

whatever.

I am certain that the students involved are yawning. Tame--very tame--compared to even what is offered on the Lifetime channel. They have made a movie of Jodi Picoult's more controversial --'My Sister's Keeper'--fwiw--and show it all the time. Not as bad as some of their offerings.

 

[wavingrl]

I've posted several other lists--haven't reviewed young adult books--and cannot evaluate for explicit sex or anything else--

another list--ALA--to provide some idea of what is available--

2014 Best Fiction for Young Adults | Young Adult Library Services Association (YALSA)

 

[koshergrl]

Actually the book hasn't been offered every year since 2007. It has occasionally been a part of the curriculum. And many parents don't have a child in every year for 7 years, so they wouldn't necessarily just know about it.

And no, there's nothing like that on Lifetime.

Per usual, progressives want to expose kids who are too young to legally have sex, to detailed and titillating descriptions of sex. To what end, who the fuck knows.

 

[wavingrl]

Book Review: Out of the Easy by Ruta Sepetys | prettybooks | Fiction, Young Adult and Children's Books & Reviews

<Out of the Easy has been nominated!

Out of the Easy has been nominated for a 2014 Carnegie Medal and chosen for Goodreads Best Young Adult Fiction 2013! >


<Out of the Easy, by the author of one of my favourite books, Between Shades of Gray, was easily one of my most anticipated novels of this year. But it couldn&#8217;t be more different from Between Shades of Gray, which just goes to show that Ruta Sepetys is an author to watch. Out of the Easy starts with: &#8216;My mother&#8217;s a prostitute. Not the filthy, streetwalking kind. She&#8217;s actually quite pretty, fairly well spoken, and has lovely clothes. But she sleeps with men for money or gifts, and according to the dictionary, that makes her a prostitute.&#8217; &#8211; so not exactly a paragraph I see often in young adult literature. Out of the Easy, marvellously honest, does not shy away from the gritty New Orleans&#8217; French Quarter in the 1950s.

Josie Moraine is a seventeen-year-old part-time bookseller and cleaner at the local brothel, where her erratic mother works. Josie wants nothing more than to get out of New Orleans and attend the elite Smith College in far away Massachusetts, where nobody will know that she&#8217;s the daughter of a prostitute. But on New Year&#8217;s Eve, a wealthy visitor to New Orleans, who had entered her bookshop only the day before, is found dead. Josie&#8217;s ambition takes a knock when she&#8217;s determined to find out the truth: how did a well-educated, healthy man suddenly die?
>

sounds like a book that might be worth reading--'a few' thought so--'progressives'---vile people.

a quote from this book and there are probably 'worse'???

<"The only reason I'd lift my skirt is to pull out my pistol and plug you in the head."

1950, New Orleans. Josie, the daughter of a heartless and uncaring brothel prostitute dreams of escaping the Big Easy, and going to college. She wants nothing more than to start fresh, and leave behind the whispers that follow her every waking step...

Josie is one of the strongest YA heroines I've ever come across. She moved way from home into an apartment on top of a bookshop at the sheer age of 11, and now (at...more>

~~~~~~
whatever---whatever.

 

[Katzndogz]

Are there police present at every school board meeting so they can arrest every person who violates the two minute rule? Is everyone who violated the two minute rule arrested?

 

[wavingrl]

Actually the book hasn't been offered every year since 2007. It has occasionally been a part of the curriculum. And many parents don't have a child in every year for 7 years, so they wouldn't necessarily just know about it.

And no, there's nothing like that on Lifetime.

Per usual, progressives want to expose kids who are too young to legally have sex, to detailed and titillating descriptions of sex. To what end, who the fuck knows.

ok--fine. I offered my observations.

How kids of today are escaping 'detailed and titillating descriptions of sex' from real life, tv and the internet--I don't know. whatever. It is the evil 'teachers'/all progressives --that are to be feared.

Former teacher, myself--sick of this sort of stuff.

~~~
I have seen plenty of 's' on Lifetime--enough to make me avoid it at every chance. cannot agree with you.

 

[hazlnut]

There is no criminal statute against "protesting a book", so your thread is moronic from the start.

He was arrested, most likely, for trespassing (staying when asked to leave) or disturbing the peace (being an asshole).