Finally! An Explanation!!

[PoliticalChic]

1. "In 2008 Obama won more than 69 million votes, and in 2012 he won more than 65 million. No other candidate has ever surpassed 65 million votes,...."
6 Facts About Barack Obama?s Reelection | Britannica Blog






2. "Police Confront Rising Number of Mentally Ill Suspects

In towns and cities across the United States, police officers find themselves playing dual roles as law enforcers and psychiatric social workers. County jails and state prisons have become de facto mental institutions; in New York, for instance, a surge of stabbings, beatings and other violence at Rikers Island has been attributed in part to an influx of mentally ill inmates, who respond erratically to discipline and are vulnerable targets for other prisoners. “Frequent fliers,” as mentally ill inmates who have repeated arrests are known in law enforcement circles, cycle from jail cells to halfway houses to the streets and back.

The problem has gotten worse in recent years, according to mental health and criminal justice experts,....."
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/02/u...-ill-suspects-are-on-the-upswing.html?hp&_r=0

 

[Moonglow]

have you anything to correlate your statement with facts and not opinion on votes for a president and the mentally challenged prison population as of late?



what president defunded(25%) mental health support by the govt.?

 

[Smilebong]

1. "In 2008 Obama won more than 69 million votes, and in 2012 he won more than 65 million. No other candidate has ever surpassed 65 million votes,...."
6 Facts About Barack Obama?s Reelection | Britannica Blog






2. "Police Confront Rising Number of Mentally Ill Suspects

In towns and cities across the United States, police officers find themselves playing dual roles as law enforcers and psychiatric social workers. County jails and state prisons have become de facto mental institutions; in New York, for instance, a surge of stabbings, beatings and other violence at Rikers Island has been attributed in part to an influx of mentally ill inmates, who respond erratically to discipline and are vulnerable targets for other prisoners. “Frequent fliers,” as mentally ill inmates who have repeated arrests are known in law enforcement circles, cycle from jail cells to halfway houses to the streets and back.

The problem has gotten worse in recent years, according to mental health and criminal justice experts,....."
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/02/u...-ill-suspects-are-on-the-upswing.html?hp&_r=0

Makes sense to me.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

It's a sick country, not that many care. When Reagan closed the state hospitals down this rabbit hole we fled.

 

[Steven_R]

It wasn't just Reagan's or Congress' fault. The courts gutted the mental health system along the way by effectively saying someone had a right to be crazy and it was inhumane to make sure they were kept in a facility to be cared for. Reagan is easy (and popular) to blame, but those Solons in black robes helped create this mess.

 

[PoliticalChic]

have you anything to correlate your statement with facts and not opinion on votes for a president and the mentally challenged prison population as of late?



what president defunded(25%) mental health support by the govt.?

Thank you for asking.



Democrat John Kennedy.


1." On Feb. 5, 1963, ... President John F. Kennedy addressed Congress on "Mental Illness and Mental Retardation." He proposed a new program under which the federal government would fund community mental-health centers, or CMHCs, to take the place of state mental hospitals. As Kennedy envisioned it, "reliance on the cold mercy of custodial isolations will be supplanted by the open warmth of community concern and capability."

2. Kennedy's proposal was historic because the public care of mentally ill individuals had been exclusively a state responsibility for more than a century. The federal initiative encouraged the closing of state hospitals and aborted the development of state-funded outpatient clinics in process at that time.

3. .... the feds funded 789 CMHCs with a total of $2.7 billion ($20.3 billion in today's dollars). During those same years, the number of patients in state mental hospitals fell by three quarters—to 132,164 from 504,604—and those beds were closed down.

a. .... CMHCs were not interested in taking care of the patients being discharged from the state hospitals. Instead, they focused on individuals with less severe problems sometimes called "the worried well."


4. According to multiple studies summarized by the Treatment Advocacy Center, these untreated mentally ill are responsible for 10% of all homicides (and a higher percentage of the mass killings), constitute 20% of jail and prison inmates and at least 30% of the homeless. Severely mentally ill individuals now inundate hospital emergency rooms and have colonized libraries, parks, train stations and other public spaces. The quality of the lives of these individuals mocks the lofty intentions of the founders of the CMHC program.


5. Nor is President Obama likely to do anything, since his lead agency, the Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration, has essentially denied that a problem exists. Its contribution to the president's response to the Dec. 14 Newtown tragedy focused only on school children and insurance coverage. And its current plan of action for 2011-14, a 41,000-word document, includes no mention of schizophrenia, bipolar disorder or outpatient commitment, all essential elements in an effective plan for corrective action.

6. ... this federal experiment has failed, as seen most recently in the mass shootings by mentally ill individuals in Newtown, Conn., Aurora, Colo., and Tucson, Ariz. It is time for the federal government to get out of this business and return the responsibility, and funds, to the states." E. Fuller Torrey: Fifty Years of Failing America's Mentally Ill - WSJ.com




Aren't you glad you asked?

 

[PoliticalChic]

It's a sick country, not that many care. When Reagan closed the state hospitals down this rabbit hole we fled.

Read post #6, moron.


Bet you fit into both #1 and #2 in the OP.

 

[Moonglow]

It wasn't just Reagan's or Congress' fault. The courts gutted the mental health system along the way by effectively saying someone had a right to be crazy and it was inhumane to make sure they were kept in a facility to be cared for. Reagan is easy (and popular) to blame, but those Solons in black robes helped create this mess.

Who started it? It wasn't the courts...

 

[Moonglow]

have you anything to correlate your statement with facts and not opinion on votes for a president and the mentally challenged prison population as of late?



what president defunded(25%) mental health support by the govt.?

Thank you for asking.



Democrat John Kennedy.


1." On Feb. 5, 1963, ... President John F. Kennedy addressed Congress on "Mental Illness and Mental Retardation." He proposed a new program under which the federal government would fund community mental-health centers, or CMHCs, to take the place of state mental hospitals. As Kennedy envisioned it, "reliance on the cold mercy of custodial isolations will be supplanted by the open warmth of community concern and capability."

2. Kennedy's proposal was historic because the public care of mentally ill individuals had been exclusively a state responsibility for more than a century. The federal initiative encouraged the closing of state hospitals and aborted the development of state-funded outpatient clinics in process at that time.

3. .... the feds funded 789 CMHCs with a total of $2.7 billion ($20.3 billion in today's dollars). During those same years, the number of patients in state mental hospitals fell by three quarters—to 132,164 from 504,604—and those beds were closed down.

a. .... CMHCs were not interested in taking care of the patients being discharged from the state hospitals. Instead, they focused on individuals with less severe problems sometimes called "the worried well."


4. According to multiple studies summarized by the Treatment Advocacy Center, these untreated mentally ill are responsible for 10% of all homicides (and a higher percentage of the mass killings), constitute 20% of jail and prison inmates and at least 30% of the homeless. Severely mentally ill individuals now inundate hospital emergency rooms and have colonized libraries, parks, train stations and other public spaces. The quality of the lives of these individuals mocks the lofty intentions of the founders of the CMHC program.


5. Nor is President Obama likely to do anything, since his lead agency, the Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration, has essentially denied that a problem exists. Its contribution to the president's response to the Dec. 14 Newtown tragedy focused only on school children and insurance coverage. And its current plan of action for 2011-14, a 41,000-word document, includes no mention of schizophrenia, bipolar disorder or outpatient commitment, all essential elements in an effective plan for corrective action.

6. ... this federal experiment has failed, as seen most recently in the mass shootings by mentally ill individuals in Newtown, Conn., Aurora, Colo., and Tucson, Ariz. It is time for the federal government to get out of this business and return the responsibility, and funds, to the states." E. Fuller Torrey: Fifty Years of Failing America's Mentally Ill - WSJ.com




Aren't you glad you asked?

Thank you for the cause and effect part of the discussion....

 

[B. Kidd]

It's a sick country, not that many care. When Reagan closed the state hospitals down this rabbit hole we fled.

Actually it was Jimmy Carters Commission on Mental Health that was the strongest advocate behind the deinstitutionalization movement.
Why are LW'ers SUCH historical revisionists?

 

[emilynghiem]

Dear PC: I don't think it is cause/effect but more like "correlated symptoms."

The same conflicts that screw up our political system with hypocrisy, denial of responsibility and projection of blame onto others for political gain that end up costing us more
ALSO correlate with higher rates of manic-depression, drug problems,
and other symptoms we self-induce with our own contradictory systems.

I agree we do it to ourselves. The mutual denial and projection is making us all sick.

Some of the self-induced insanity making us sicker and sicker as a society:
* the party of "prochoice" now denying free choice of health care by penalizing it, and force lawabiding working citizens to pay (because that isn't involuntary servitude)
but not make criminals pay hospitals or prison costs charged to LAWABIDING taxpayers (because prison labor is involuntary servitude)
* demanding "separation of church and state" while forcing gay marriage through govt,
and "right to health care" as a national political religion excluding beliefs in "right to life"
* Democrat leaders trying to regulate guns while giving arms to criminals and enemies
* cutting benefits to Veterans who have committed no crimes while expanding tax deductions to illegal immigrants who have violated laws
* Republicans blaming liberals for wanting free choice without responsibilities, but support
deregulating big corporations with no accountability to taxpayers for corporate destruction or abuse at taxpayers' expense, blaming social welfare while overlooking corporate welfare
* Republicans defending religious freedom for Christians, but trying to ban Muslim Mosques
etc.

And then when either side is confronted, they compete to shoot more ammo at the other.
So we waste how many BILLIONS of dollars on these media and campaign wars?

Don't you think that money could have set up solutions and jobs in financial management to assess, correct and collect on corporate and criminal abuses of government resources?

When I finish editing my song lyrics protesting these political messes,
I will dedicate the final produced video to you, Luddly and other friends on USMB.
Here was the latest draft, but I'm still rewriting the verses against govt waste:
http://www.houstonprogressive.org

1. "In 2008 Obama won more than 69 million votes, and in 2012 he won more than 65 million. No other candidate has ever surpassed 65 million votes,...."
6 Facts About Barack Obama?s Reelection | Britannica Blog

2. "Police Confront Rising Number of Mentally Ill Suspects

In towns and cities across the United States, police officers find themselves playing dual roles as law enforcers and psychiatric social workers. County jails and state prisons have become de facto mental institutions; in New York, for instance, a surge of stabbings, beatings and other violence at Rikers Island has been attributed in part to an influx of mentally ill inmates, who respond erratically to discipline and are vulnerable targets for other prisoners. “Frequent fliers,” as mentally ill inmates who have repeated arrests are known in law enforcement circles, cycle from jail cells to halfway houses to the streets and back.

The problem has gotten worse in recent years, according to mental health and criminal justice experts,....."
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/02/u...-ill-suspects-are-on-the-upswing.html?hp&_r=0

I count myself blessed to be sane at all, given what I've seen and gone through.
If I can get through this mess, and come out alive, without going on a hunger strike
to protest, or shaving my head and setting myself on fire, there is hope for America!

 

[Redfish]

It's a sick country, not that many care. When Reagan closed the state hospitals down this rabbit hole we fled.

Actually it was Jimmy Carters Commission on Mental Health that was the strongest advocate behind the deinstitutionalization movement.
Why are LW'ers SUCH historical revisionists?

because history always proves them wrong.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

It's a sick country, not that many care. When Reagan closed the state hospitals down this rabbit hole we fled.

Actually it was Jimmy Carters Commission on Mental Health that was the strongest advocate behind the deinstitutionalization movement.
Why are LW'ers SUCH historical revisionists?

Lay out all that you have and let's check it out. TY.

 

[PoliticalChic]

have you anything to correlate your statement with facts and not opinion on votes for a president and the mentally challenged prison population as of late?



what president defunded(25%) mental health support by the govt.?

Thank you for asking.



Democrat John Kennedy.


1." On Feb. 5, 1963, ... President John F. Kennedy addressed Congress on "Mental Illness and Mental Retardation." He proposed a new program under which the federal government would fund community mental-health centers, or CMHCs, to take the place of state mental hospitals. As Kennedy envisioned it, "reliance on the cold mercy of custodial isolations will be supplanted by the open warmth of community concern and capability."

2. Kennedy's proposal was historic because the public care of mentally ill individuals had been exclusively a state responsibility for more than a century. The federal initiative encouraged the closing of state hospitals and aborted the development of state-funded outpatient clinics in process at that time.

3. .... the feds funded 789 CMHCs with a total of $2.7 billion ($20.3 billion in today's dollars). During those same years, the number of patients in state mental hospitals fell by three quarters—to 132,164 from 504,604—and those beds were closed down.

a. .... CMHCs were not interested in taking care of the patients being discharged from the state hospitals. Instead, they focused on individuals with less severe problems sometimes called "the worried well."


4. According to multiple studies summarized by the Treatment Advocacy Center, these untreated mentally ill are responsible for 10% of all homicides (and a higher percentage of the mass killings), constitute 20% of jail and prison inmates and at least 30% of the homeless. Severely mentally ill individuals now inundate hospital emergency rooms and have colonized libraries, parks, train stations and other public spaces. The quality of the lives of these individuals mocks the lofty intentions of the founders of the CMHC program.


5. Nor is President Obama likely to do anything, since his lead agency, the Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration, has essentially denied that a problem exists. Its contribution to the president's response to the Dec. 14 Newtown tragedy focused only on school children and insurance coverage. And its current plan of action for 2011-14, a 41,000-word document, includes no mention of schizophrenia, bipolar disorder or outpatient commitment, all essential elements in an effective plan for corrective action.

6. ... this federal experiment has failed, as seen most recently in the mass shootings by mentally ill individuals in Newtown, Conn., Aurora, Colo., and Tucson, Ariz. It is time for the federal government to get out of this business and return the responsibility, and funds, to the states." E. Fuller Torrey: Fifty Years of Failing America's Mentally Ill - WSJ.com




Aren't you glad you asked?

Thank you for the cause and effect part of the discussion....

Actually, I was hoping someone would enquire as to why President Kennedy would be so involved in this issue.


There is a stunning explanation.

 

[norwegen]

The moonbats didn't want to see their brothers and sisters locked away in the nut hut, so USMB welcomed them with open arms.

No wonder this place is so much fun.

 

[Moonglow]

The moonbats didn't want to see their brothers and sisters locked away in the nut hut, so USMB welcomed them with open arms.

No wonder this place is so much fun.

This site is actually based on One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest.. Now that Connery is a TV, I must admit, I thought he was the flyer.....

 

[B. Kidd]

It's a sick country, not that many care. When Reagan closed the state hospitals down this rabbit hole we fled.

Actually it was Jimmy Carters Commission on Mental Health that was the strongest advocate behind the deinstitutionalization movement.
Why are LW'ers SUCH historical revisionists?

Lay out all that you have and let's check it out. TY.

Note the section about Carter.



Deinstitutionalization - Special Reports | The New Asylums | FRONTLINE | PBS

 

[emilynghiem]

It's a sick country, not that many care. When Reagan closed the state hospitals down this rabbit hole we fled.

Actually it was Jimmy Carters Commission on Mental Health that was the strongest advocate behind the deinstitutionalization movement.
Why are LW'ers SUCH historical revisionists?

Dear B. Kidd: though I haven't given up trying to resolve the conflicts,
I have finally accepted that some people build their reality around a limited premise,
And this may NEVER change, just like religious beliefs that people will not change:
* one of my black Republican friends has defined racism based on White privilege,
so only White people can be racist since they are in power, and all reactions to that
are blamed on Whites as the only source of racism, even the Black reactions are caused by it

If I want to work with this person, I am limited to these terms of "painting the world."
I can still work toward solutions we agree on, but have to set aside differences where we don't agree on the causes or explanations of the problems we are both against.
I have agreed to drop that part, although I strongly disagree and find everyone to be equally biased and bigoted on different issues. The solutions are still more important, and we agree on those.

* from the ACA and Hobby Lobby case, I found out how deeply people believe that rich people and companies owe their profits to the public. period. these are not earnings from their labors they have equal say in. that is how they see and set up their reality.

The workers have a say in where their labor and taxes go. But not the rich who owe everything to the workers or the poor they are responsible for oppressing socially.

if this is the basis of their political religion, that is what I am dealing with when i deal with these people.

The most I can do is to include this belief system under the Constitution, while asking to keep it OUT of federal govt and legislative policies.

I want these beliefs to be recognized as political religions, so like other religions,
they can neither be established by law nor prohibited, but must remain a free choice.

The first step is to acknowledge these political beliefs and religions as VALID, and quit
discriminating against any of these, whether Christian or not, socialistic or capitalistic.

Then once we respect the fact we have different religious beliefs and political religions, then we can treat each other as equals under law.
We can't do that while we're fighting over whose beliefs are wrong. If we agree to separate, and hold ourselves responsible for our own beliefs,
then whether we are right or wrong on some points, we don't try to make "other people responsible" for problems we see.
We agree to be responsible for our own solutions, and quit trying to make other people pay for them through government who prefer to pay for other solutions.

We need to separate political parties from government, just like we do with churches and religions.
Recognize partisan agenda as a political religion, and invoke equal Constitutional protections to stop abuses.

 

[PoliticalChic]

The moonbats didn't want to see their brothers and sisters locked away in the nut hut, so USMB welcomed them with open arms.

No wonder this place is so much fun.

" No wonder this place is so much fun."


Often, it brings to mind 'pay a penny to see the loonies.'



The board is certainly a step up since the days of the British mental hospital, 'Bedlam,' where one could 'pay a penny, see the loonies.'



"If you were bored in the 1800s, you could always pop down to the local insane asylum to liven up your day. Many of these institutions allowed the public to pay a small to fee to walk around gawking at the residents.... St. Mary Bethlehem, aka Bethlam Hospital, aka Bedlam.

The bastardized version of its name is where we get the word for absolute craziness. And in the 1800s it was very crazy at Bedlam. Visitors paid a penny to look at the patients and if they were being too calm and docile for the visitor’s liking, they were allowed to poke the patients with sticks."
5 More Crazy Ways People Amused Themselves Before Television | Mental Floss
5 More Crazy Ways People Amused Themselves Before Television | Mental Floss


...I save a penny....and I don't use a stick....

 

[ClosedCaption]

Wow never heard the mentally ill angle before...Fresh, bold new ideas