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No, quoting the Libertarian party platform then implying that it represents the gospel of libertarian philosophy is constructing a straw man.
But not leftists - because Pete is right, you all march in lockstep, more automatons than people. The party dictates what you think and feel. You will do whatever the party prefers, in every case. Hillary, Obama, Edwards, Biden - it's all the same, different clown masks on mindless drones who execute party orders to the letter.
And yet I did not mention any of your assumptions (even though they are wrong) as many of the other posters seem to have that covered. I will say that you seem to not understand that party platforms are not universal and just because you are a libertarian does not mean that you agree 100 percent with their platform. The concept might be foreign to you because you are what is known as a partisan hack. Just because YOU can’t find something you disagree with in the democrat party platform does not mean that all democrats/republicans/libertarians unthinkingly accept party platforms. Most of us bother to think about the issues themselves and form our own opinions.I always love when a liberal or conservative who is NOT a libertarian tries to tell al libertarian what one is. This is particularly funny when they are clueless and basing their ‘definition’ on utter falsehoods. Tell us more about things that you do not understand, please….
It is also of note that you used a no true Scotsman fallacy here. IOW, you are full of bullshit.
I keep citing items right out of the Libertarian Party Platform, which I assume is where the Libertarians are trying to tell ME what a libertarian is.
And yet the libertarians here, so-called, don't want to defend their own party's positions.
Speaking of hacks…Wow totally refuted my post....totally.I always love when a liberal or conservative who is NOT a libertarian tries to tell al libertarian what one is. This is particularly funny when they are clueless and basing their ‘definition’ on utter falsehoods. Tell us more about things that you do not understand, please….
It is also of note that you used a no true Scotsman fallacy here. IOW, you are full of bullshit.
I didn’t need to refute anything because there was nothing to refute. You put an outright falsehood in your post supported without a single fact or statement other than a logical fallacy. WTF was I supposed to ‘refute.’
And this is why you people arguing about how the libertarian are all individuals, is a joke. The idea anyone takes you seriously is just fucking sad.
And this is why you people arguing about how the libertarian are all individuals, is a joke. The idea anyone takes you seriously is just fucking sad.
Is that "response #3" from the list you downloaded from ThinkProgress?
Non-aggression?
Libertarians advocate a dog-eat-dog society and survival of the fittest
Can't have no gubmint standing up for you
Wrong.
What is it about folks that can not fully define themselves so they go and tell others what they believe they believe?
Tell us what you believe, we can define ourselves without any help.
Libertarians advocate unrestrained competition which by its very nature is aggressive. Can't have no government stepping in when one competitor engages in unfair business practices. If you can't survive in a dog-eat-dog business environment, that is your problem
yawn....go back to sucking dicks nazi.
What is 'subtle' about it? Government 'out of abortion altogether' leaves no wiggle room. That is highly refined, narrow, and unequivocal expression of a principle.
You say libertarians are more principled than D's or R's. Really? If the core libertarian principle on abortion is pro-choice, with no government involved AT ALL,
and if in fact most libertarians don't hold that principle, which I suspect is the case,
how can you call libertarians more principled? Wouldn't that mean that Libertarians are less principled?
Huh... you cherry pick ONE issue and hold it up as an example of the entirety of the ideology???
Yes, I do say that libertarians are (far, far) more principled that Democrats and Republicans.
When it comes to liberals, there is no disent allowed. You can not call yourself a liberal in the eyes of these bed wetters if you don't toe the line on every issue.
Are there any significant democrooks that easily hold office in moonbat districts that are pro-life? How about pro-2A? There may be a few blue dog democrooks that aren't dedicated to disarming the people and purging blacks from society through abortion, but they have tenuous grip on their offices. The small handful that voted against the last gun control scheme received death threats from their "tolerant" constituents.
Bed wetters like NYCarboner cannot comprehend that other people may not march in lock step with everyone else. Their desire to fit in overrides any instinct to think independently, and they're incapable of considering the possibility that someone can call themselves a libertarian, conservative, republican or anything they're programmed to hate and deviate from certain beliefs.
I'm a republican, (basically) though abortion IMO is a state issue. I don't like it, I think is the most heinous form of murder, but I wouldn't promote the feds getting involved. I think pot should be legal, not because I want society dumbed down and lethargic like elite moonbats do, but because it's worse to lock people up for it because not everyone who uses it is a lethargic oxygen thief.
Too a bed wetter I am still the enemy. Regardless of what I just said they'll insist I want gov't regulation of vaginas. I want the prisons full of black people. I hate (insert victim group here).
That's why I don't bother engaging these sniveling mindless drones. They're too stupid to waste the time on.
I applaud those of you who though.
The topic isn't about the libertarian parties platform. it's about libertarioanism. i realize this must come as a shock, but not all libertarians are in the party.
And you went right ahead and used more flawed reasoning to support your flawed reasoning. Does this circle ever end?
That's just a dodge so you people don't have to address the gaping flaws of logic, reason, and common sense that libertarianism represents.
You people are trying to tell us that libertarianism represents both pro-abortion and anti-abortion.
What the fuck is that? That's like saying in my religion, it's both a sin and not a sin to steal.
lol. Are you trying to convince us that to be a Libertarian is to stand for nothing?
You quote two different posters (with no attribution on either of them I might add) in an effort to demonstrate the difference in opinion between them and then scoff at the idea of libertarian individualism, the defense rests your honor, the prosecution has made our case for us. Or were you perhaps attempting to practice some deception in your omission of attribution there and hoping nobody would notice those quotes came from two different people?No, quoting the Libertarian party platform then implying that it represents the gospel of libertarian philosophy is constructing a straw man.
this is funny..
because then you read this later:
But not leftists - because Pete is right, you all march in lockstep, more automatons than people. The party dictates what you think and feel. You will do whatever the party prefers, in every case. Hillary, Obama, Edwards, Biden - it's all the same, different clown masks on mindless drones who execute party orders to the letter.
And this is why you people arguing about how the libertarian are all individuals, is a joke.
The idea anyone takes you seriously is just fucking sad.
You quote two different posters (with no attribution on either of them I might add) in an effort to demonstrate the difference in opinion between them and then scoff at the idea of libertarian individualism, the defense rests your honor, the prosecution has made our case for us. Or were you perhaps attempting to practice some deception in your omission of attribution there and hoping nobody would notice those quotes came from two different people?No, quoting the Libertarian party platform then implying that it represents the gospel of libertarian philosophy is constructing a straw man.
this is funny..
because then you read this later:
And this is why you people arguing about how the libertarian are all individuals, is a joke.
The idea anyone takes you seriously is just fucking sad.
You are of course entitled to your opinions, hopefully such notions have the intended of effect of making you feel better about yourself.
Have a wonderful day.
I don't have a side, I'm a student of philosophy not a player in "politics as a team sport", you can agree with my conclusions regarding philosophy or not, we can discuss them on condition that you are a thoughtful, rational individual (something which is still in doubt).You quote two different posters (with no attribution on either of them I might add) in an effort to demonstrate the difference in opinion between them and then scoff at the idea of libertarian individualism, the defense rests your honor, the prosecution has made our case for us. Or were you perhaps attempting to practice some deception in your omission of attribution there and hoping nobody would notice those quotes came from two different people?this is funny..
because then you read this later:
And this is why you people arguing about how the libertarian are all individuals, is a joke.
The idea anyone takes you seriously is just fucking sad.
You are of course entitled to your opinions, hopefully such notions have the intended of effect of making you feel better about yourself.
Have a wonderful day.
i know i did, That was the point. It shows not even people arguing on your side of things can agree.
I'm not sure how you arrive at that conclusion given that I don't belong to or believe in political parties, I'm sure the details of your reasoning will be fascinating though.It doesn't work like that and just shows partisan hackery.
Really? maybe you should go back and review what was said, who said it and the chronological order in which it was said.I dont need to show the difference in posters because you yourself just made the same argument that uncensored made.
I did not assert libertarian individualism ( I assumed that the individuality of individuals was self evident, apparently I was mistaken) nor do I have a "set of ideal policies", you're either engaged in projection or you're reading things that aren't there.Its too easy with you people. Everyone wants to think they are an individual, Liberal, Con, and liberts.
There is no hive mind, there is just set ideal policies people agree on.
I like watching liberals and libertarians fight. They never realize how close ideological they are to each other.
I like watching liberals and libertarians fight. They never realize how close ideological they are to each other.
The topic isn't about the libertarian parties platform. it's about libertarioanism. i realize this must come as a shock, but not all libertarians are in the party.
And you went right ahead and used more flawed reasoning to support your flawed reasoning. Does this circle ever end?
That's just a dodge so you people don't have to address the gaping flaws of logic, reason, and common sense that libertarianism represents.
You people are trying to tell us that libertarianism represents both pro-abortion and anti-abortion.
What the fuck is that? That's like saying in my religion, it's both a sin and not a sin to steal.
lol. Are you trying to convince us that to be a Libertarian is to stand for nothing?
Politic is is becoming a religion to many citizens these days be they Democrat or Republican.
That is why we have a Libertarian Party.
The topic isn't about the libertarian parties platform. it's about libertarioanism. i realize this must come as a shock, but not all libertarians are in the party.
And you went right ahead and used more flawed reasoning to support your flawed reasoning. Does this circle ever end?
That's just a dodge so you people don't have to address the gaping flaws of logic, reason, and common sense that libertarianism represents.
You people are trying to tell us that libertarianism represents both pro-abortion and anti-abortion.
What the fuck is that? That's like saying in my religion, it's both a sin and not a sin to steal.
lol. Are you trying to convince us that to be a Libertarian is to stand for nothing?
No one said libertarianism respresents both of those. it's a personal issue best left to the individual involved. The doctor and patient. Libertarianism as one of it's main philosophical points, is that people are INDIVIDUALS.
I realize you come from the hive, where everyone buzzes on and on sasying the same shit and no dissent to any issue is allowed. We dont have that problem. We embrace individuals right to take responsibility for themselves and their decisions. Whether I like it or not or advocate it is entirely beside the point. it's not my decision to make, nor is it anyone elses, what some woman decides about abortion, or whether a doctor chooses to, or chooses not to perform it for their own INDIVIDUAL beliefs.
The fact you can not grasp this is of course, to no one's surprise here.
yawn....go back to sucking dicks nazi.
What a clever retort, pussball. You think of that all by yourself?
