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Not in a public school. In school we give freedom from religion. The school and its representatives will not force their fairytales onto their students.[/QUOTE]
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Football Coach for Christ - Out of a job
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No such animal
Not in a public school. In school we give freedom from religion. The school and its representatives will not force their fairytales onto their students.How do you know how this coach treats players that don't join in? Clearly someone has a problem with this religious nut praying as a team so stop it. It's really that simple.Just as long as the Mormon coach can force their kids to pray to Joseph Smith and the Muslim coach can teach about Mohammad and I can teach about SATAN! LOL.
Just as long as the Mormon coach can force
What coach is FORCING anyone?
QUOTE="sealybobo, post: 12678759, member: 11281"]How do you know how this coach treats players that don't join in?
How does he treat them?
you act like you know
Clearly someone has a problem with this religious nut praying as a team so stop it.
I remember when Freedom of religion was a Right, not a felony
In school we give freedom from religion
No such animal[/QUOTE]
The Constitution uses 16 words—known as the “religion clauses”—to create rules about how faith and government interact. One clause gives citizens the right to freely exercise religious convictions; the other prohibits government (including taxpayer-funded public schools) from establishing religion, meaning granting favorable treatment.
Yet, because the Constitution is so brief about what’s expected and so vague on how to do it, the result has been years of conflict and strife. The main questions:
- How far can students or school staff go in expressing their beliefs?
- When have school officials gone too far in letting religion reign?
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The Constitution uses 16 words—known as the “religion clauses”—to create rules about how faith and government interact. One clause gives citizens the right to freely exercise religious convictions; the other prohibits government (including taxpayer-funded public schools) from establishing religion, meaning granting favorable treatment.Not in a public school. In school we give freedom from religion. The school and its representatives will not force their fairytales onto their students.How do you know how this coach treats players that don't join in? Clearly someone has a problem with this religious nut praying as a team so stop it. It's really that simple.What coach is FORCING anyone?
QUOTE="sealybobo, post: 12678759, member: 11281"]How do you know how this coach treats players that don't join in?
How does he treat them?
you act like you know
Clearly someone has a problem with this religious nut praying as a team so stop it.
I remember when Freedom of religion was a Right, not a felony
In school we give freedom from religion
No such animal
Yet, because the Constitution is so brief about what’s expected and so vague on how to do it, the result has been years of conflict and strife. The main questions:
- How far can students or school staff go in expressing their beliefs?
- When have school officials gone too far in letting religion reign?
Establishment Clause - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
"In Lee the Court developed the coercion test. Under this test the government does not violate the establishment clause unless it (1) provides direct aid to religion in a way that would tend to establish a state church, or (2) coerces people to support or participate in religion against their will."
Seems the coach may have a winning argument.
Davros
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The Constitution uses 16 words—known as the “religion clauses”—to create rules about how faith and government interact. One clause gives citizens the right to freely exercise religious convictions; the other prohibits government (including taxpayer-funded public schools) from establishing religion, meaning granting favorable treatment.Not in a public school. In school we give freedom from religion. The school and its representatives will not force their fairytales onto their students.How do you know how this coach treats players that don't join in? Clearly someone has a problem with this religious nut praying as a team so stop it. It's really that simple.
QUOTE="sealybobo, post: 12678759, member: 11281"]How do you know how this coach treats players that don't join in?
How does he treat them?
you act like you know
Clearly someone has a problem with this religious nut praying as a team so stop it.
I remember when Freedom of religion was a Right, not a felony
In school we give freedom from religion
No such animal
Yet, because the Constitution is so brief about what’s expected and so vague on how to do it, the result has been years of conflict and strife. The main questions:
- See more at: Religion and Public Schools
- How far can students or school staff go in expressing their beliefs?
- When have school officials gone too far in letting religion reign?
Establishment Clause - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
"In Lee the Court developed the coercion test. Under this test the government does not violate the establishment clause unless it (1) provides direct aid to religion in a way that would tend to establish a state church, or (2) coerces people to support or participate in religion against their will."
Seems the coach may have a winning argument.[/QUOTE]
Don't think so. Could a teacher lead an optional bible reading, during which students are allowed to leave the classroom if they don't want to participate? Same concept here.
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Don't think so. Could a teacher lead an optional bible reading, during which students are allowed to leave the classroom if they don't want to participate? Same concept here.[/QUOTE]The Constitution uses 16 words—known as the “religion clauses”—to create rules about how faith and government interact. One clause gives citizens the right to freely exercise religious convictions; the other prohibits government (including taxpayer-funded public schools) from establishing religion, meaning granting favorable treatment.Not in a public school. In school we give freedom from religion. The school and its representatives will not force their fairytales onto their students.QUOTE="sealybobo, post: 12678759, member: 11281"]How do you know how this coach treats players that don't join in?
How does he treat them?
you act like you know
Clearly someone has a problem with this religious nut praying as a team so stop it.
I remember when Freedom of religion was a Right, not a felony
In school we give freedom from religion
No such animal
Yet, because the Constitution is so brief about what’s expected and so vague on how to do it, the result has been years of conflict and strife. The main questions:
- See more at: Religion and Public Schools
- How far can students or school staff go in expressing their beliefs?
- When have school officials gone too far in letting religion reign?
Establishment Clause - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
"In Lee the Court developed the coercion test. Under this test the government does not violate the establishment clause unless it (1) provides direct aid to religion in a way that would tend to establish a state church, or (2) coerces people to support or participate in religion against their will."
Seems the coach may have a winning argument.
Could a teacher lead an optional bible reading, during which students are allowed to leave the classroom if they don't want to participate? Same concept here.
Not really, but feel free to put it before SCOTUS to find out.
In the case of the coach, the students volunteered to join him,
NO coercion on his part.
Davros
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Could a teacher lead an optional bible reading, during which students are allowed to leave the classroom if they don't want to participate? Same concept here.
Not really, but feel free to put it before SCOTUS to find out.
In the case of the coach, the students volunteered to join him,
NO coercion on his part.
We'll see if it goes that far. He's been fired. It's up to him to argue that his rights were violated. The students volunteered to join the football team of their school. They did not volunteer to join a prayer group.
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Could a teacher lead an optional bible reading, during which students are allowed to leave the classroom if they don't want to participate? Same concept here.
Not really, but feel free to put it before SCOTUS to find out.
In the case of the coach, the students volunteered to join him,
NO coercion on his part.
We'll see if it goes that far. He's been fired. It's up to him to argue that his rights were violated. The students volunteered to join the football team of their school. They did not volunteer to join a prayer group.
They did not volunteer to join a prayer group
and he didnt' force them to join one.
Davros
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No, but he created an environment respecting the establishment of religion. Those who did not wish to practice a religion compatible with his religion were forced to separate themselves from their coach and team.Could a teacher lead an optional bible reading, during which students are allowed to leave the classroom if they don't want to participate? Same concept here.
Not really, but feel free to put it before SCOTUS to find out.
In the case of the coach, the students volunteered to join him,
NO coercion on his part.
We'll see if it goes that far. He's been fired. It's up to him to argue that his rights were violated. The students volunteered to join the football team of their school. They did not volunteer to join a prayer group.
They did not volunteer to join a prayer group
and he didnt' force them to join one.
If he wants to lead prayers, he should coach at a private school, not a public school. Coaches should not lead prayers at public universities either.
Want to pray at public school, form an extracurricular prayer group that is explicitly that and not related to a secular activity. Hard core ACLUers would object, but I would not.
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No, but he created an environment respecting the establishment of religion. Those who did not wish to practice a religion compatible with his religion were forced to separate themselves from their coach and team.Could a teacher lead an optional bible reading, during which students are allowed to leave the classroom if they don't want to participate? Same concept here.
Not really, but feel free to put it before SCOTUS to find out.
In the case of the coach, the students volunteered to join him,
NO coercion on his part.
We'll see if it goes that far. He's been fired. It's up to him to argue that his rights were violated. The students volunteered to join the football team of their school. They did not volunteer to join a prayer group.
They did not volunteer to join a prayer group
and he didnt' force them to join one.
If he wants to lead prayers, he should coach at a private school, not a public school. Coaches should not lead prayers at public universities either.
Want to pray at public school, form an extracurricular prayer group that is 3xplicitly that. Hard core ACLUers would object, but I would not.
No, but he created an environment respecting the establishment of religion. Those who did not wish to practice a religion compatible with his religion were forced to separate themselves from their coach and team.
Hilarious
The Constitution uses 16 words—known as the “religion clauses”—to create rules about how faith and government interact. One clause gives citizens the right to freely exercise religious convictions; the other prohibits government (including taxpayer-funded public schools) from establishing religion, meaning granting favorable treatment.Not in a public school. In school we give freedom from religion. The school and its representatives will not force their fairytales onto their students.How do you know how this coach treats players that don't join in? Clearly someone has a problem with this religious nut praying as a team so stop it. It's really that simple.
QUOTE="sealybobo, post: 12678759, member: 11281"]How do you know how this coach treats players that don't join in?
How does he treat them?
you act like you know
Clearly someone has a problem with this religious nut praying as a team so stop it.
I remember when Freedom of religion was a Right, not a felony
In school we give freedom from religion
No such animal
Yet, because the Constitution is so brief about what’s expected and so vague on how to do it, the result has been years of conflict and strife. The main questions:
- See more at: Religion and Public Schools
- How far can students or school staff go in expressing their beliefs?
- When have school officials gone too far in letting religion reign?
Establishment Clause - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
"In Lee the Court developed the coercion test. Under this test the government does not violate the establishment clause unless it (1) provides direct aid to religion in a way that would tend to establish a state church, or (2) coerces people to support or participate in religion against their will."
Seems the coach may have a winning argument.[/QUOTE]
Ask one of the conservative Supreme's and they will agree with you. Sotomeyor? Not so much.
Davros
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No, you are. What business has a public school coach separating his team into a section that is compatible with his religion, and a portion that is not? The only reason he would do that is so that he can spread his brand of Christianity to nonbelievers in the school, which is not allowed.No, but he created an environment respecting the establishment of religion. Those who did not wish to practice a religion compatible with his religion were forced to separate themselves from their coach and team.Could a teacher lead an optional bible reading, during which students are allowed to leave the classroom if they don't want to participate? Same concept here.
Not really, but feel free to put it before SCOTUS to find out.
In the case of the coach, the students volunteered to join him,
NO coercion on his part.
We'll see if it goes that far. He's been fired. It's up to him to argue that his rights were violated. The students volunteered to join the football team of their school. They did not volunteer to join a prayer group.
They did not volunteer to join a prayer group
and he didnt' force them to join one.
If he wants to lead prayers, he should coach at a private school, not a public school. Coaches should not lead prayers at public universities either.
Want to pray at public school, form an extracurricular prayer group that is 3xplicitly that. Hard core ACLUers would object, but I would not.
No, but he created an environment respecting the establishment of religion. Those who did not wish to practice a religion compatible with his religion were forced to separate themselves from their coach and team.
Hilarious
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No, you are. What business has a public school coach separate his team into a section that is compatible with his religion, and a portion that is not? The only reason he would do that is so that he can spread his brand of Christianity to nonbelievers in the school, which is not allowed.No, but he created an environment respecting the establishment of religion. Those who did not wish to practice a religion compatible with his religion were forced to separate themselves from their coach and team.Not really, but feel free to put it before SCOTUS to find out.
In the case of the coach, the students volunteered to join him,
NO coercion on his part.
We'll see if it goes that far. He's been fired. It's up to him to argue that his rights were violated. The students volunteered to join the football team of their school. They did not volunteer to join a prayer group.
They did not volunteer to join a prayer group
and he didnt' force them to join one.
If he wants to lead prayers, he should coach at a private school, not a public school. Coaches should not lead prayers at public universities either.
Want to pray at public school, form an extracurricular prayer group that is 3xplicitly that. Hard core ACLUers would object, but I would not.
No, but he created an environment respecting the establishment of religion. Those who did not wish to practice a religion compatible with his religion were forced to separate themselves from their coach and team.
Hilarious
Where did you get the idea he separated them?
He was alone, having a private moment, and students joined him.
He didn't force them, he didn't coerce them, he didn't ask them to join him.
bodecea
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I'd be having a cow if the coach wanted his team to face Mecca and pray to Allah before each game.....absolutely!"Keep your god out of our schools"...except if he is Allah. While the hypocrites fire Christians for praying and expel kids for carrying a Bible they force little girls to wear burkas in role playing stunts and teach kids about the Koran. Ain't it time we took our schools back from those hypocrite anti-American fools?
Wink wink.No, you are. What business has a public school coach separate his team into a section that is compatible with his religion, and a portion that is not? The only reason he would do that is so that he can spread his brand of Christianity to nonbelievers in the school, which is not allowed.No, but he created an environment respecting the establishment of religion. Those who did not wish to practice a religion compatible with his religion were forced to separate themselves from their coach and team.We'll see if it goes that far. He's been fired. It's up to him to argue that his rights were violated. The students volunteered to join the football team of their school. They did not volunteer to join a prayer group.
They did not volunteer to join a prayer group
and he didnt' force them to join one.
If he wants to lead prayers, he should coach at a private school, not a public school. Coaches should not lead prayers at public universities either.
Want to pray at public school, form an extracurricular prayer group that is 3xplicitly that. Hard core ACLUers would object, but I would not.
No, but he created an environment respecting the establishment of religion. Those who did not wish to practice a religion compatible with his religion were forced to separate themselves from their coach and team.
Hilarious
Where did you get the idea he separated them?
He was alone, having a private moment, and students joined him.
He didn't force them, he didn't coerce them, he didn't ask them to join him.
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Ask one of the conservative Supreme's and they will agree with you. Sotomeyor? Not so much.[/QUOTE]The Constitution uses 16 words—known as the “religion clauses”—to create rules about how faith and government interact. One clause gives citizens the right to freely exercise religious convictions; the other prohibits government (including taxpayer-funded public schools) from establishing religion, meaning granting favorable treatment.Not in a public school. In school we give freedom from religion. The school and its representatives will not force their fairytales onto their students.QUOTE="sealybobo, post: 12678759, member: 11281"]How do you know how this coach treats players that don't join in?
How does he treat them?
you act like you know
Clearly someone has a problem with this religious nut praying as a team so stop it.
I remember when Freedom of religion was a Right, not a felony
In school we give freedom from religion
No such animal
Yet, because the Constitution is so brief about what’s expected and so vague on how to do it, the result has been years of conflict and strife. The main questions:
- See more at: Religion and Public Schools
- How far can students or school staff go in expressing their beliefs?
- When have school officials gone too far in letting religion reign?
Establishment Clause - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
"In Lee the Court developed the coercion test. Under this test the government does not violate the establishment clause unless it (1) provides direct aid to religion in a way that would tend to establish a state church, or (2) coerces people to support or participate in religion against their will."
Seems the coach may have a winning argument.
Sotomeyor? Not so much.
She's against the coercion test already mentioned?
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Wink wink.No, you are. What business has a public school coach separate his team into a section that is compatible with his religion, and a portion that is not? The only reason he would do that is so that he can spread his brand of Christianity to nonbelievers in the school, which is not allowed.No, but he created an environment respecting the establishment of religion. Those who did not wish to practice a religion compatible with his religion were forced to separate themselves from their coach and team.and he didnt' force them to join one.
If he wants to lead prayers, he should coach at a private school, not a public school. Coaches should not lead prayers at public universities either.
Want to pray at public school, form an extracurricular prayer group that is 3xplicitly that. Hard core ACLUers would object, but I would not.
No, but he created an environment respecting the establishment of religion. Those who did not wish to practice a religion compatible with his religion were forced to separate themselves from their coach and team.
Hilarious
Where did you get the idea he separated them?
He was alone, having a private moment, and students joined him.
He didn't force them, he didn't coerce them, he didn't ask them to join him.
Something in your eye?
You don't have to join him. Just be worried when the holy war starts, he will know who's an infidel and who is not based on who kneels and prays along side of him.I'd be having a cow if the coach wanted his team to face Mecca and pray to Allah before each game.....absolutely!"Keep your god out of our schools"...except if he is Allah. While the hypocrites fire Christians for praying and expel kids for carrying a Bible they force little girls to wear burkas in role playing stunts and teach kids about the Koran. Ain't it time we took our schools back from those hypocrite anti-American fools?
I can't wait for the first mostly muslim highschool in Dearborn, MI to have 90% of the students kneel and pray to Mecca and see how Christians shit themselves over it.
They don't see that their religion is just as dumb as every other religions. us atheists don't want to be rude so we wish they would just keep that shit in their home, head or church. No need to do it on the football field. God didn't help you win.
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You don't have to join him. Just be worried when the holy war starts, he will know who's an infidel and who is not based on who kneels and prays along side of him.I'd be having a cow if the coach wanted his team to face Mecca and pray to Allah before each game.....absolutely!"Keep your god out of our schools"...except if he is Allah. While the hypocrites fire Christians for praying and expel kids for carrying a Bible they force little girls to wear burkas in role playing stunts and teach kids about the Koran. Ain't it time we took our schools back from those hypocrite anti-American fools?
I can't wait for the first mostly muslim highschool in Dearborn, MI to have 90% of the students kneel and pray to Mecca and see how Christians shit themselves over it.
They don't see that their religion is just as dumb as every other religions. us atheists don't want to be rude so we wish they would just keep that shit in their home, head or church. No need to do it on the football field. God didn't help you win.
God didn't help you win.
The coach has a different opinion.
No, you are. What business has a public school coach separate his team into a section that is compatible with his religion, and a portion that is not? The only reason he would do that is so that he can spread his brand of Christianity to nonbelievers in the school, which is not allowed.No, but he created an environment respecting the establishment of religion. Those who did not wish to practice a religion compatible with his religion were forced to separate themselves from their coach and team.We'll see if it goes that far. He's been fired. It's up to him to argue that his rights were violated. The students volunteered to join the football team of their school. They did not volunteer to join a prayer group.
They did not volunteer to join a prayer group
and he didnt' force them to join one.
If he wants to lead prayers, he should coach at a private school, not a public school. Coaches should not lead prayers at public universities either.
Want to pray at public school, form an extracurricular prayer group that is 3xplicitly that. Hard core ACLUers would object, but I would not.
No, but he created an environment respecting the establishment of religion. Those who did not wish to practice a religion compatible with his religion were forced to separate themselves from their coach and team.
Hilarious
Where did you get the idea he separated them?
He was alone, having a private moment, and students joined him.
He didn't force them, he didn't coerce them, he didn't ask them to join him.
He was alone. It was after the game and some players joined him.
PaintMyHouse
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That is not how this started. He was leading prayers in the pregame team meetings and was told to knock it off.No, you are. What business has a public school coach separate his team into a section that is compatible with his religion, and a portion that is not? The only reason he would do that is so that he can spread his brand of Christianity to nonbelievers in the school, which is not allowed.No, but he created an environment respecting the establishment of religion. Those who did not wish to practice a religion compatible with his religion were forced to separate themselves from their coach and team.and he didnt' force them to join one.
If he wants to lead prayers, he should coach at a private school, not a public school. Coaches should not lead prayers at public universities either.
Want to pray at public school, form an extracurricular prayer group that is 3xplicitly that. Hard core ACLUers would object, but I would not.
No, but he created an environment respecting the establishment of religion. Those who did not wish to practice a religion compatible with his religion were forced to separate themselves from their coach and team.
Hilarious
Where did you get the idea he separated them?
He was alone, having a private moment, and students joined him.
He didn't force them, he didn't coerce them, he didn't ask them to join him.
He was alone. It was after the game and some players joined him.
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